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ISIS insurgents blew up an 80-year-old church in Syria's northeastern province of Hassaka on Easter Sunday, Syrian state news agency SANA said.

SANA, which did not report any casualties, said the militants had planted explosives inside the Church of the Virgin Mary in Tel Nasri, an Assyrian village in an area where Christian and Kurdish militia have been battling the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

ISIS controls the village, the news agency said on Monday. The militant group, which controls swathes of Syria and Iraq, espouses a fiercely terrorist ideology, deeming many Muslims to be heretics. Its fighters have destroyed Shi'ite and Sufi religious sites and also attacked churches.

More at: http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2015/04/06/isis-destroys-syrian-church-on-easter-sunday


This is a shame  :(, I hope someone will stop their action.

This is really modern barbarism and cultural genocide.
If we don't stop them, they will destroy the cultural heritage and history of that area.
Really is amazing so much hatred towards the history and tradition of a whole culture.

Seize all the Western assets of Saudi Arabia and Qatar and distribute them to the victims of the ISIS genocide. These two nations are responsible for the ISIS curse.

I don't understand why they don't attack israel, they proclaim muslims but they kill also muslims so this is not "really" rational. However (ontopic) what is the purpose for destroy a church?

Israelis are also one of the top supporters of ISIS. They even conducted air strikes in Syria, to help the ISIS against Assad's forces. They have really low moral values.

They aren't that stupid?

If they attack Israel, they will be brutally eliminated and Israel will take massive chunks of lands as their own, like every other time Muslims have tried to attack Israel.  ISIS like to pick their battles, Israel would be a poor choice.

There is more that one type of Islam, so I guess they don't mind killing muslims either, they also have political goals, not just religious.

Another interesting article about of what is happened:

According to Syrian state news agency SANA, the 80-year-old St Mary's Church in Tel Nasri - an Assyrian village in an area where Christian and Kurdish militia have been fighting Isis - has been destroyed by the jihadist group. The report did not reveal if there were any causalities. It is suggested that the Isis operation on Easter Sunday was aimed at eliminating the Christian and Kurdish militia groups. The Church of Our Lady Mary, built in 1934, was one of Syria's oldest churches.


http://www.ibtimes.co.in/syria-isis-booby-traps-ancient-al-hasakah-church-kill-assyrian-fighters-easter-sunday-628245

yeah its a shame. Those who built them will also be those who r going to destroy them (ISIS). Isis is a bunch of psychopathic, sociopathic terrorists. They won't accept other religions, other culture and other "thinking". The sad truth is that there is NO dipomatic or human solution against those warlords. Only the way of massdestruction and violence can stop ISIS. Thats it. My feeling tells me that 2016 is going to be the year of ISIS fall.. Its just very sad that hundreds of thousands of civilians are going to die with them.

You are wrong. ISIS can be easily defeated, if their foreign support is destroyed. It is the financial and political support which they receives from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which makes ISIS invincible.

Wahhabism is the most extreme form of islam, it's not even islamic they just use it to spread their barbaric believes and the core is from saudi arabia, it's a disgusting branch fuelling terrorism like isis and guess what one of americas biggest allies, saudi arabia, but since they spend lots of money in western countries they can get away with lots of shit.

Burned the ancient significance, blew up church, Killing innocent people, are these their way of justice and fairness?


obviously some are funding ISIS, ISIS might be merely a hapless tool controlled by some countries.

They are just blowing up churches and killing innocents because they are showing the world how peaceful they are.

It is well known to everyone that who is funding the ISIS and why they are funding it. But ISIS has grown so big, that it is no longer a puppet controlled by its masters in Qatar and KSA. In the near future we will see ISIS turning against those people who are funding it right now.

I'm annoyed by them as well, ISIS deserves its title of more extreme than Al-Qaeda
Also a lot more visibly annoying than AQ

I watched news today and saw something positive for innocent people as ISIS head gave orders to all its member to stop killing innocent people and just target the Army guys...

Please correct me on this if I am wrong...

Well this will be good if all ISIS member obey their leader. Maybe they do this because they know soon they will lose.
ISIS leaders know they will be bring to the International Criminal Court / ICC for their crimes.

Court? I don't think so, they will be probably dead before going to court.

The ISIS leaders will never go to the International Criminal Court. If they are prosecuted for their crimes, then many members of the Qatari and Saudi royal families will also be investigated for their role in the formation of ISIS. The US will never allow that to happen.

They kill humans without any remorse. Do you really think they will care about buildings and stuff if they don't even care about humans.

Yes of course because it is impossible they have a lot of money, it is normal that someone is "funding" them (whit weapon, food, etc..). If they will catch I'm sure they will kill them in that instant (as it was happened to Osama bin laden). However I still don't understand why they have destroyed that church, it is really no sense. They aren't Muslims, because if Islam is that thing why the other billion of Muslims aren't like ISIS?

They are mainly targeting days like Easter and New Year for their attacks. It's just inhuman that they destroyed a church just because they disregard other religions. Fortunately this time, no human life was harmed.

They have destroyed hundreds of Shia Muslim shrines and mosques, in addition to Christian churches and Yazidi temples. But this is nothing when compared to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who were butchered by them.

Seems to be a quite pointless action. Calculated savagery is often part of the arsenal of conquering armies to shock their enemies but this one will piss of people instead of shock them into submission. 

The amazing thing here, that these ISIS members are claiming themselves "muslims" but kill also muslims, christians etc... This is the really strange thing that I cannot understand.


That's obvious, what is the purpose to destroy a Church? I think there isn't any valid reason for destroy an antique and important Church.

Maybe a (stupid) question that come into my mind (and I don't find any real possible valid answer) is: Who is real supporting (with money) those terrorist groups? Someone said "Saudi Arabia" and the other near countries.... but I don't think they aren't the unique countries.

Maybe someone of you have a valid theory, please share it (it would be an interesting debate).

What are you talking about, after all Islam is religion of peace, if you want to check latest new about love and peace Islam is bringin upon  our world this website can open your eyes: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)

For the ISIS, any person who do not agree with their radical ideology is an apostate. For them, non-Muslims like Yazidis are devil worshipers and subhumans. Shiites are apostates, as they give too much importance to people and idols (i.e shrines).

ISIS tell they are following Islamic rules but it is a blatant and obvious lie.


Your statement itself answers your question. They want to spread violence. By destroying an old and important Chruch and that too on Easter Sunday, most people will try to wage a war against them. I think that's what they want. CMIIW.


FYI: That website twists some things a lot. I know as I am a Muslim, you either won't care what I say and rely on it or will tell I am lying unless you are a "truth seeker".

P.S. ISIS should be destroyed no matter what. However, a bloodless victory will be great. There are many innocents living in there. Whether "bloodless" refer to innocents only or to all is yet to be discussed.

I asked an explicit question because I would like to receive an explicit answer from a lot of users here in the community, because the mass media - newspaper - internet - people are saying (each if them) a different thing. In these ultimate 5-10 years it was very difficult to know the truth about something and I've seen lot of people say : all the Muslim are like ISIS, so all the Muslims are terrorist" now ISIS members aren't Muslims (and finally I'm secure of what I'm saying).

Crude oil, drugs, taxes, etc.  :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964028/oil-drugs-internet-ISIS-funded.html

Ransom payments also comprise a large part of their earnings. A few months ago, the Spanish government paid around €8 million to free two of their citizens. The ISIS makes tens of millions of USD every month in the form of ransom payments.

Saudi oil money percolates to all things Islamic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11140860/Qatar-and-Saudi-Arabia-have-ignited-time-bomb-by-funding-global-spread-of-radical-Islam.html


The two Gulf states have spent billions of dollars on promoting a militant and proselytising interpretation of their faith derived from Abdul Wahhab, an eighteenth century scholar, and based on the Salaf, or the original followers of the Prophet.

Scholar? They might be talking about "scholar in terrorism" not "scholar in Islam", right? And being a salafi doesn't mean he/she is original follower of Prophet, Salafi only means that he/she died within first four hundred years after Prophet's death. Wahhabism has many contradictions to Islam.

P.S. Is killing innocent people includinf muslims Islamic? I am pretty sure it isn't.

The "including muslims" part really isn't necessary, is it?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/envoy-car-mosque-destroyed-war-150318072200714.html



I hope there are Christians here ready to denounce their religion for such widespread violence....


Slighty off-topic but relevant, I'd think we'd be better off we destroyed all forms of religion then we wouldn't have so many excuses for violence.

It is not the problem of Religion itself, but a problem with the misunderstanding of the religion about few (maybe more than few) people. It is normal that each religion in the past wanted "prevale"  (teach) to the others but now I think everyone should  'read' the religions in this actual period of time (because have passed few thousand of years).

Thought I would post here:

Muslim, Book 041, Number 6948:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him, in Whose hand is my life, the world would not come to an end until a person would pass by a grave, would roll over it and express the desire that he should be in the place of the occupant of that grave not because of religious reasons but because of this calamity.

Muslim, Book 041, Number 6949:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, a time would come when the murderer would not know why he has committed the murder, and the victim would not know why he has been killed.

^^^ Both is true when we compare to these times, people's killings without reason.


As I am a muslim, if I didn't include it, others will twist or go for discussion about it. So a clear statement was made.

Can we all just agree, that those demented bastards are just criminals? This is not about politics (otherwise, west wouldnt supply ISIS with weapons), not about religion (toughest foes of ISIS are Kurds), its about old male testosteron and mental disorders. Western converts, that flock to ISIS are virtual definition of angry young males and underachivers. Hilariously enough, Scandinavians see them as "victims of violence" and want to give them care and state help. I´d say burn them all. There is fine line, that should you cross it, would deprive you any second chance. God will judge you and you will get help to see him ASAP.

Another stupid thing (made by ISIS):

|ISIS destroys ancient ruins of Nimrud, video shows

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria militants hammered, bulldozed and ultimately blew up parts of the ancient Iraqi Assyrian city of Nimrud, destroying a site dating back to the 13th century BC, an online militant video purportedly shows.

The destruction at Nimrud, located near the militant-held city of Mosul, came amid other attacks on antiquity carried out by the group now holding a third of Iraq and neighbouring Syria in its self-declared caliphate. The attacks have horrified archaeologists and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who last month called the destruction at Nimrud "a war crime."

The seven-minute video, posted late Saturday, shows bearded militants using sledgehammers, jackhammers and saws to take down huge alabaster reliefs depicting Assyrian kings and deities. A bulldozer brings down walls, while militants fill barrels with explosives and later destroy three separate areas of the site in massive explosions.



More at: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/isis-destroys-ancient-ruins-of-nimrud-video-shows-1.3029687

This is insane, I bet if this happened to an old mosque there would be riots and beheadings.

These snackbars need to be taken out, hellfire style.

I hope Bitcointalks resident Islamist come in here and post, is this another miracle of Islam?

This thread is about ISIS not about Islam. Killing thousands of innocents is Islamic? Please don't spread FUD. ISIS never follows Islam even though they claim they do. If I claim, I am president, it doesn't make me a president. This is the same thing they are doing. I hope you will understand it.

I agree with you that they are not "Islamic," at least not the form of Islam most people would consider to be most legitimate. Does this ultimately matter though? The problem is ISIS claims to be Islamic, and they have enough people who agree with them to be the force that they are. You and them disagree about who is correct, but what does this ultimately matter as they're killing people? The fact remains they have sympathizers and supporters significant enough in numbers to make them relevant.

That's the whole thing: they're relevant because they have support. It may not be your Islam, but that hardly matters when their purpose is to spread their form of violent Islam. They have enough people who agree with their form of Islam to be relevant. If their form of Islam was so anathema to all Muslims, they wouldn't have enough support to be relevant.

I didn't want "consider" to be here. I am telling they are completely contradicting Islamic rules and trachings.


Spreading false thing about Islam is a matter to me.


As I said, if I claim I am president, I don't be a president. This is same thing they are doing.

Can you tell who is "enough people"? Many Muslims against it.


I can prove they are wrong using Qur'an and Hadiths, theycan't.


They are killing people and I disagree with them. They shouldn't do these sort of things. But spreading false thing about Islam is matter to me.


They're mostly political supporters and I am sure they have political things in mind when doing these cruelty.


Supporters mostly are political supporters and yes, it isn't Islam, yet, people say Islam just because they claim they are which is kinda stupid.


There is only one Islam. Don't claim there is 2, peace Islam and violent Islam. Only one. If Islam doesn't teach or tell any of these, how can it be Islam? They are more or likely forming new religion and have political gains.


Why? Because medias tell they are doing it because of Islam, which is wrong and people who don't know about Islam, believe it and support that statement. Spreading false thing and telling it is relevant isn't relevant.


Are you claiming all Muslims support them? Only a some Muslims who ISIS brainwashed support it and mostly are political supporters.

Contradicting Islam and claiming it is Islam doesn't make it Islam. They are obviously making new religion with their own rules. :(

Says you. They say you've got Islam wrong. It's a case of he said/she said. I don't care, I think you're all wrong because religion is stupid. All I care about is people stop killing.


If you have enough people who agree with you that you are the president and are willing to kill people who don't agree with them, then you and them are a problem. That's the situation here. It doesn't matter how many people are against it. It matters how many maniacs are murdering people in your name. It matters how many maniacs ISIS has agreeing that they are Islamic and are willing to kill for it. Your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying.


I repeat, your denial is worthless. It stops nobody from dying. It's probably academically correct, and yet look how much that matters. It's not stopping them from calling themselves Islamic, and it's not stopping people from joining them when they realize they aren't following Islamic teachings. This is my whole point. We can all agree they are not Islamic, but we don't matter. The people who agree with them and will pick up weapons and murder innocent people to spread their ideology are what matters.


No, they are political supporters, and they are armed maniacs murdering people who dare to disagree with them. There are enough people murdering for them to be relevant. All the denials of how Islamic they are is not going to stop them from killing.


Like it or not, there are more versions of Islam than yours. Religious movements split all the time over their values. You trying to disavow any other religion has no more merit than any other religion disavowing yours. I'm not making any argument as to what ISIS is because ultimately I don't care, I'm just repeating what they call themselves.



No, it's because these people agree with their violent means. Don't blame the media, it's a copout and it's not at all grounded in reality.



I am not claiming all Muslims support them. I am claiming enough people who self-identify as Muslim support their form of Islam for them to be able to recruit, murder, and recruit more. I'm fine with them being known as a different religion. But first they'll have to stop calling themselves Islamic. That's your problem with them, not mine.

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I am not attacking you Muhammed Zakir. I believe you wish to live a moral life under the rules of your religion, and you do not condone violence committed by ISIS. I believe their form of Islam is not in keeping with the Islam you practice. I am not even calling them Islamic. When I repeat that, I'm repeating what they call themselves. If this was a group of 10 people in the desert, it wouldn't matter. But ISIS is tens of thousands strong. They recruit from all over the world. They are able to recruit because their violence resonates with some people for some reason. And after ISIS, there is Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, and probably many other groups I don't even know about who all have similar violent ideologies and also self-identify as Islamic. This is a very troubling number of people committing violence in the name of Islam, and I already know it's forbidden by you and good Muslims everywhere, but that's changing nothing. We can all agree this is a false Islam, but that's an academic point. It does nothing to stop the movement, to stop the killing, and as a non-religious person, all I care about is that people stop killing other people. I don't care if they're bad Muslims, or non-Muslims; they're bad people, but they are drawn to a violent message, and they think that message fits with Islam for some reason, whether they are academically right or wrong seems rather irrelevant at that point to me.

Why the hell they are destroying the history of the country. Every such organizations do the same things just like what Taliban did. It destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan.

There is a valid reason for doing so. Islam has always used violence and genocide as a tool for its growth. The existence of pre-Islamic statues remember people about those incidents. Once these monuments are removed, then in future, people will never knew that they had such a rich culture and civilization before Islam.

This is not unique to Islam. Christianity has also used the same. For example, they destroyed the totem poles of British Columbia, as they seemed too "anti-Christian" for them. Christian missionaries have always destroyed native places of worship, in order to force their religion upon others.

Neither me attacking you. Why I am telling they ain't Muslims is to protect others. Some Muslims are brainwashed and all. If the misconception "Islamic" is removed, many people would turn away from brutal things like ISIS is doing. This would also help to decrease some of the murders. However, only way to finish this is "war" but there will be consequences on both sides. I hope these things will be solved soon.

The only problem is such methods look out of place in the 21st century.
Just because such behaviour was acceptable hundreds of years ago doesn't mean that it can be explained / justified today.

Exactly, we are in a new epoch and it is nor more necessary destroy those statue because everyone know the truth and everyone can choose his religion. Those isis member, are only stupid men that think they are strong and big but, in this case an atomic bomb is necessary.

Exactly. They should be killed for their wrongdoings. I don't agree with atom bomb though as there are many innocents there.

Also, your statement doesn't make sense. "They think they are strong and big" - that means you don't think they are strong and big. So why an atom bomb?

The Islamic State militants (formerly ISIS) have released a gruesome new video in which they warn of an attack similar to 9/11, promise to “burn America” and threaten US nationals around the world.

In the 11 minute video, the militants claim that jihadi groups have grown stronger since the 9/11 terrorist attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda in New York and Washington DC, and allege that Islamists have “more resources”.

The graphic video published in social media with the hashtag #WeWillBurnUSAgain features footage of the attacks on the World Trade Center while a man’s voice says that “today there is no safety for any American on the globe.”
....

http://rt.com/news/249349-isis-threatens-us-video/



I said the unique way to stop those isis members is an atomic bomb.

I don't think ISIS has more resources than US. If they do, they must have some help from good military countries such as Russia or UK. I don't think US is afraid either. Do you know what was reponse from US to this?


Got it. Yup, it is easiest way but at the same time, worst way.

I see your point about denying them the label of "Islamic" so that there is no confusion that people who follow them are doing so for anything they can claim to be a legitimate religious reason. It's not invalid, I just don't know how useful it is. Do you think they would they be less of a movement if they called themselves something else?

They seem very strong and determinate, this is the video:

https://i.imgur.com/WjyOB6T.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXITQNvTeCo)

Mirror 2: http://ge.tt/2Uie8SE2/v/0


Remember in this case for them the worst way is the best way, and the unique to stop their action is to use an atomic bomb.

In a long-term perception, I believe so. Some people come and join saying it is Islamic and are brainwashed. Also some people hate all Muslims when media say "Islamic" resulting in more violence and hatred. If media stop it, both Muslims and non-Muslims may go more peacefully and brainwashed kids maybe able to releaze they are telling lie. I don't how exactly I should say. I have some points but I can't express it in English. I think you get th point.

 This doesn't stop ISIS or other violent groups, however, we may atleast be able to reduce it.


Hmm... Hard to believe they could stand a chance to US without any help.


I understand it but what about hundreds and thousands of innocents?

All right, this is a fair point. But also consider that I don't think very many of the people they are recruiting in the Middle East have access to Western Media reports, and if they do, this is not what sways them into believing ISIS is Islamic. They believe ISIS is Islamic for entirely different reasons, and if you want to combat the perception of ISIS as Islamic, you're better pressed figuring out why poor people without access to Western Media are finding the violence of ISIS and their own understanding of Islam to be congruent.

The Israel - Palestine conflict also has a role to play in this. Poor people in the Middle East can empathize with the suffering of Palestinians. They naturally tend to rally behind any "strong" force which supports Islam. If there wasn't so much fighting and violence in the Middle East, I doubt if ISIS would have been as successful.

The Israel - Palestine conflict has nothing to do with this. Israel is actually supporting the ISIS. A few months ago, they bombed the Syrian army positions, in order to help the ISIS in gaining territory. Another NATO member, Turkey is supporting the ISIS by issuing passports to its fighters, so that they could travel to Iraq and Syria to join the fighting.

Thwy are bombing their relion praying places mosques so bombing church is not an interesting thing. I dont believe even they are believing any religion.

Not that simple. The ISIS has never targeted a Sunni place of worship ever since its creation. They have mostly targeted Yazidi, Christian and other non-Muslim places of worship, although they have rarely destroyed some Shiite mosques and shrines. It will be foolish to say that religion has no role to play in this.

Basically no one want to stop ISIS, everyone has a little bit of responsability in this situation  ::).




This, they are saying "we are muslims" but they do not know what is the meaning of "Islam".

You can't run away by saying something like this. The ISIS has support only from Muslims, and their plan is the complete extermination of all non-Muslims. And contrary to the popular myths, there is a lot of support for ISIS among the Muslims. Moreover, they are supported by Saudi Arabia, which is the decision taker for the Sunni Muslims around the world.

This is not mean they are real *muslims, or am I wrong? *When they will kill also muslim people, and christians etc... They are also supported by Saudi Arabia, but also other nations (and this is obviously not public). However you are (maybe) right, I cannot say (simple) that they are not muslims but all their action does not represent a real muslim.

It is absolutely shameful and unacceptable that these primitive people are allowed to perpetrate such horrible acts of barbary. Now we should consider the lessons, and we must all protect cultural heritage at any cost. I guess it is a matter of good will and directed efforts.

These primitive people don't understand the meaning of cultural heritage.
They just want to destroy all symbols of other religions, even if it carries large historical / cultural significance.

Not "only" other religions. They also destroy Masjids and kill people from their own religion.

You can't keep your anecdotes straight. First you say Israel is helping ISIS, then you say only Muslims support ISIS. You might run into less problems with sketchy facts if you post a source to back up your claims once in awhile.

OK... I will list the facts:

1. All ISIS members are Sunni Muslims
2. ISIS has mostly targeted non-Muslims
3. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel are supporting the ISIS, for their own reasons.

I'll change my claim that "only Muslims support the ISIS" to "all ISIS members are Sunni Muslims". Hope that everything is clear now.

How could #1 be true? All ISIS members aren't Muslims and also sunnis are who follow correctly. You think killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in the lands are Sunnis? I don't think so.

Just saw this today

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/19/africa/libya-isis-executions-ethiopian-christians/

They are really sticking it to the Christians aren't they.

But ill be damned if you draw a picture of Muhammad.

Do you have any proof for this? As far as I know, there isn't a single non-Muslim member in the ISIS. Also, I don't think there are any Shias or Ismailis with them.

What if I ask you same question? I know the answer will be medias tell they are muslims and some members claim they are muslims. But does that mean all are muslims?

Sunnis are the ones who follow Qur'an and Hadiths correctly. Therefore, how could a person killing muslims, non-muslims and making mischief in lands a sunni/Muslim?

This is much better. When I get a chance I'll circle back to this about #1, because I came across some reading that indicated this was not entirely true. When I find it again, I'll post it.

Isn't it evident that all ISIS members are muslims? After all I in ISIS stands for Islamic.

He is claiming that the ISIS members are not "true Muslims". Now the question is who is a true Muslim. The ISIS fanatics claim that they and their supporters are true Muslims, while the others are apostates. Someone else will say that only he is a true Muslim and others are less equal. It depends upon the interpretation.  ;D

Here's one article I had found about how ISIS recruits non-Muslims (so they aren't all Sunni Muslims). There was a better article I had come across that talked about how some people went to 'work' for ISIS not because of ideology but simply because they paid wages like a job, and there was no work for them otherwise, but they started abandoning ISIS because they were never paid as promised. I can't find that article now, but this one makes my point as well.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-recruiting-westerners-how-islamic-state-goes-after-non-muslims-recent-converts-west-1680076