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Title: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 18, 2015, 02:42:48 PM






http://liberland.org/







If you purchased a map of Europe before April 13, it may already be out of date. This past Monday, Europe’s newest country was unveiled: the Free Republic of Liberland.





The tiny country sits on about seven square kilometers (less than 3 square miles) of land along the Danube River, between the official borders of Croatia and Serbia. According to Liberland’s President Vit Jedlicka, the land was considered “terra nullis” or nobody’s land.

Despite being just under three square miles in area, Liberland is not the smallest country on the planet. In fact, it is larger than the Vatican and Monaco.

According to a news release posted on the Liberland site, the founders are Czech citizens who formed something called a “Preparatory Committee,” elected a president (Jedlicka) and decided to declare their new state and planted a flag.




President Jedlicka (second from right) and other Liberland founders at flag raising. Image source: Liberland.org




Those interested in becoming a citizen of the fledgling nation need to file an application. However, there is no official time frame attached to the process. According to the site, applications will be dealt with “in due time.”

What does it take to qualify to be a Liberland-ian? According the web site, potential citizens must:

- have respect for other people and respect the opinions of others, regardless of their race, ethnicity, orientation, or religion

- have respect for private ownership which is untouchable

- do not have communist, nazi or other extremist past

- were not punished for past criminal offenses

If you meet all of above criteria and have an interest in joining Liberland, you will need to fill out the citizenship application and file it electronically. (There is no place to send “snail mail” in the new country.)

Liberland does have a Facebook page which has already gotten more than 28,000 “likes.”



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/17/taxes-are-optional-and-there-is-no-military-welcome-to-liberland-europes-brand-new-country/


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Do they know about BTC ?

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Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 18, 2015, 02:50:32 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrRccMnuiEA





Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Daniel91 on April 18, 2015, 03:03:41 PM
In fact, this is my neighboring country, just over the river :)
Hope to visit them soon, and maybe apply for citizenship.
Why I have not come up with this idea :(
Welcome Liberland, hopefully first country in Europe to accept bitcoin as official currency.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 18, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
In fact, this is my neighboring country, just over the river :)
Hope to visit them soon, and maybe apply for citizenship.
Why I have not come up with this idea :(
Welcome Liberland, hopefully first country in Europe to accept bitcoin as official currency.



Tell them not to forget their country's space is not just limited horizontally...

http://inhabitat.com/underground-skyscraper-that-heals-the-scars-of-open-pit-mining/above-below-skyscraper-5a/

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/tech/gallery/earthscraper-underground-mexico/index.html


 :)




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Okurkabinladin on April 18, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
Ah, my countrymen at action again. Czechs never cease to surprise me and I live among them my whole life. Nice project, I just hope it is more, than a way of making headlines before next election (Jedlicka is member czech "Free ones" libertarian party).


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 18, 2015, 03:50:55 PM
Ah, my countrymen at action again. Czechs never cease to surprise me and I live among them my whole life. Nice project, I just hope it is more, than a way of making headlines before next election (Jedlicka is member czech "Free ones" libertarian party).



I hope for them too. How fast can we have them register maritime flags?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_flag




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: MICRO on April 18, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
Bitcoin is national currency here :)
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/welcome-liberland-bitcoin-national-currency/


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lethn on April 18, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 18, 2015, 05:16:09 PM
What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?






Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on April 18, 2015, 07:12:13 PM
Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

They will definitely need an army to fight against Serbia and Croatia, because both countries claim it. It's actually unoccupied, but it's more of a demilitarized zone than an unclaimed territory.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lethn on April 18, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

They will definitely need an army to fight against Serbia and Croatia, because both countries claim it. It's actually unoccupied, but it's more of a demilitarized zone than an unclaimed territory.

A military is just a fighting force of soldiers who are willing to protect their land and it's an organisational structure, it doesn't necessarily have to be funded with taxes, but it's incredibly naive to think a country can be formed without one.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Spendulus on April 18, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

Probably it can, if the country does a good job of making it's existence to it's neighbors more important than it's non existence.

A small non threatening country in a disputed area could prevent war between the neighboring countries.  Then it grows and becomes valuable and they start eying it greedily.







Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: waterpile on April 18, 2015, 11:10:30 PM
Let them improve the land or put up infrastructure and the country will become a possible milk farm for Serbia and Croatia.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Okurkabinladin on April 19, 2015, 07:30:59 AM
What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

Yes, atleast in Europe. Neither Monaco, nor Lichtenstein has military force to my knowledge. Their independence is guaranteed by their neighbours and  central Europeans generally respect written agreements. Historically, Holy Roman Empire of German Nation functioned in similar way, there were literally hundreds of counties and free cities with only minority having standing armies.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: jaysabi on April 19, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
This looks like a nice little scam they're running. Convince people to you're a country and then accept donations from people gullible enough to literally buy into it. Their public bank account (https://www.fio.cz/scgi-bin/hermes/dz-transparent.cgi?ID_ucet=2800402875) currently shows that people have given them 36,598.31 Czech Koruny ($1400) in a few days. Not bad!

So much for crypto though I guess.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 19, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
I'm sure if they allow themselves to be continually shaken down by Serbia or Croatia then they'll be allowed to stay in operation. Either that, or form an alliance w/ one or the other and see how things go. It's a free state project for Europe for those that can't make the US version in NH.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: kpitti on April 20, 2015, 06:47:31 AM
They took good interest as yesterday Czech number one TV "Nova" show reportage about Liberland. It was in evening prime time. They explain basic and mentioned Bitcoin as well. Last moment they update number of citizens who apply to be Liberland citizens grow to some thousand people now.
It`s clear they getting very popular.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: MICRO on April 20, 2015, 08:41:36 AM
They took good interest as yesterday Czech number one TV "Nova" show reportage about Liberland. It was in evening prime time. They explain basic and mentioned Bitcoin as well. Last moment they update number of citizens who apply to be Liberland citizens grow to some thousand people now.
It`s clear they getting very popular.

Yeah they also had rly good coverage in Serbian media to.

I don't think Serbia will have anything against that new "republic" but im starting to think they just want to get some money and abandon it.

There is one good thing with all this thou. More people will hear about bitcoin till this happened bitcoin was never mentioned in Serbian media.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Snail2 on April 20, 2015, 08:51:03 AM
They have a good chance to form a country. The mosquitoes there would be able to suck dry any army what would try to recover that land :).


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: MICRO on April 20, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
They have a good chance to form a country. The mosquitoes there would be able to suck dry any army what would try to recover that land :).

Very true :D . That land there has loads of them and also it was never treated against mosquitoes not by Serbia and not by Croatia :D .


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Enzyme on April 20, 2015, 09:56:40 AM
This looks like a country heading for disaster, think about it, you wouldn't put your life savings in Bitcoin.

They're basing their entire economy on Bitcoin, too volatile.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: MICRO on April 20, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
This looks like a country heading for disaster, think about it, you wouldn't put your life savings in Bitcoin.

They're basing their entire economy on Bitcoin, too volatile.

Volatility doesn't affect anything if everything is in that same currency .  And they don't have any economy yet . :)



Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 20, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
They have a good chance to form a country. The mosquitoes there would be able to suck dry any army what would try to recover that land :).

Very true :D . That land there has loads of them and also it was never treated against mosquitoes not by Serbia and not by Croatia :D .

Shouldn't the first step be buying everything to make that land more livable for all, then focus on the rest? Maybe it's time to bring some natural predators first then bring the big chemical guns then... All bought in bitcoin of course

 :)



Title: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: BitMos on April 20, 2015, 02:40:55 PM
how many divisions? otherwise the rapist of Clintons gang will come... so not safe now, join the Russian fed and then may be... have fun anyway, until they come, and they will...


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Snail2 on April 20, 2015, 02:58:12 PM
Shouldn't the first step be buying everything to make that land more livable for all, then focus on the rest? Maybe it's time to bring some natural predators first then bring the big chemical guns then... All bought in bitcoin of course

 :)

Hopeless thing. There are plenty of similar areas around, so if you get rid of the mosquitoes on one spot, more will come to grab those vacant bushes.


Title: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: BitMos on April 20, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
Shouldn't the first step be buying everything to make that land more livable for all, then focus on the rest? Maybe it's time to bring some natural predators first then bring the big chemical guns then... All bought in bitcoin of course

 :)

Hopeless thing. There are plenty of similar areas around, so if you get rid of the mosquitoes on one spot, more will come to grab those vacant bushes.

nice analogy, respect them and they will be cool... (the mosquitoes, for the non human there is only death).


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: jaysabi on April 21, 2015, 04:46:21 PM
This looks like a country heading for disaster, think about it, you wouldn't put your life savings in Bitcoin.

They're basing their entire economy on Bitcoin, too volatile.

Volatility doesn't affect anything if everything is in that same currency .  And they don't have any economy yet . :)



So they only have to get the rest of the world to switch to bitcoin and they should be fine!


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 21, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
7 sq.km is actually quite a lot of area. Remember that countries such as Vatican and Monaco are much smaller when compared to Liberland. Comparing Monaco to Liberland, the latter is having almost 4 times more area. And right now, Monaco is home to some 30,000 people. Therefore, Liberland is capable of accommodating up to 100,000 people.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: coric on April 21, 2015, 06:51:43 PM
Well, at least the spot is on a place where you can survive, unlike Bir Tawil. Mosquitos? People live in the Danube Delta, and with some spray I didn't find it bothersome there.

But they will face a funny dilemma. The sanctity of private property is in the short manifesto, but the Liberlanders don't own any piece of the land. Imagine they get their state recognized, but all their land is owned by the Republic of Croatia, and they won't allow anyone to enter it..,


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on April 21, 2015, 07:35:52 PM
7 sq.km is actually quite a lot of area. Remember that countries such as Vatican and Monaco are much smaller when compared to Liberland. Comparing Monaco to Liberland, the latter is having almost 4 times more area. And right now, Monaco is home to some 30,000 people. Therefore, Liberland is capable of accommodating up to 100,000 people.

Monaco has a Prince, the Vatican has a pope, both have centuries of history, monuments and beautiful people. What has Liberland besides mosquitoes? It would take billions to make a nice place out of Liberland, and then Serbia or Croatia would just claim everything is their property. I like the idea of creating a new country, but I don't see it as possible within Europe.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: sana54210 on April 21, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
There are so many micro nations but none have got any major recognition, lets see if Liberland does anything different to get some legitimacy, micronations have been formed for so many years but none got any big recognition or funding or any good  infrastructure or healthy economy.
You can find  here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations a list of micronations but none have claimed any significance in the global presence yet


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 21, 2015, 09:24:48 PM
There are so many micro nations but none have got any major recognition, lets see if Liberland does anything different to get some legitimacy, micronations have been formed for so many years but none got any big recognition or funding or any good  infrastructure or healthy economy.
You can find  here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations a list of micronations but none have claimed any significance in the global presence yet


What if... All those micro nations would adopt Bitcoin as their currency and have Liberland their BUN (Bitcoin United Nations)...





Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: sana54210 on April 21, 2015, 09:32:17 PM
There are so many micro nations but none have got any major recognition, lets see if Liberland does anything different to get some legitimacy, micronations have been formed for so many years but none got any big recognition or funding or any good  infrastructure or healthy economy.
You can find  here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations a list of micronations but none have claimed any significance in the global presence yet


What if... All those micro nations would adopt Bitcoin as their currency and have Liberland their BUN (Bitcoin United Nations)...





That will be cool but very unlikely that would happen :)


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Mike Christ on April 21, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
These guys are all very naive; this nation is a joke (much like sealand), it's founded in an area where not much economic activity will occur due to constant flooding (why none of the larger political entities surrounding want it), and even if there was, they'd get sucked into the neighboring nations very easily since, even if they had a military, it wouldn't match up to a larger nation's military.  Not even larger nations are completely sovereign; America says jump, many smaller nations ask "How high?"

Anyway, cool display of protest nonetheless; I'm sure they'll get to keep their spot since it's not gonna be a threat to any existing power structures, plus the added bonus of people believing they're freer than they really are: "just look, you can go make your own nation too if you wanted, it'll just suck really bad so you may as well stay put."


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: TheButterZone on April 21, 2015, 11:05:07 PM
Where it floods, make all buildings able to float/anchor/raft together.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 21, 2015, 11:59:38 PM
Where it floods, make all buildings able to float/anchor/raft together.



75 Prefab Floating Homes Form a Houseboat Town in Holland

http://dornob.com/75-prefab-floating-homes-form-a-houseboat-town-in-holland/




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2015, 04:20:22 AM
7 sq.km is actually quite a lot of area. Remember that countries such as Vatican and Monaco are much smaller when compared to Liberland. Comparing Monaco to Liberland, the latter is having almost 4 times more area. And right now, Monaco is home to some 30,000 people. Therefore, Liberland is capable of accommodating up to 100,000 people.

Monaco has a Prince, the Vatican has a pope, both have centuries of history, monuments and beautiful people. What has Liberland besides mosquitoes? It would take billions to make a nice place out of Liberland, and then Serbia or Croatia would just claim everything is their property. I like the idea of creating a new country, but I don't see it as possible within Europe.

That is true. As per the international laws, Liberland is a part of Croatia, although the latter refuses to take ownership. Liberland is a worthless piece of forest right now, and there is no interest from the part of Croatia to reclaim it. However, if Liberland is able to attract significant investments, then it will no longer remain as worthless to Croatia.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 22, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
7 sq.km is actually quite a lot of area. Remember that countries such as Vatican and Monaco are much smaller when compared to Liberland. Comparing Monaco to Liberland, the latter is having almost 4 times more area. And right now, Monaco is home to some 30,000 people. Therefore, Liberland is capable of accommodating up to 100,000 people.

Monaco has a Prince, the Vatican has a pope, both have centuries of history, monuments and beautiful people. What has Liberland besides mosquitoes? It would take billions to make a nice place out of Liberland, and then Serbia or Croatia would just claim everything is their property. I like the idea of creating a new country, but I don't see it as possible within Europe.

That is true. As per the international laws, Liberland is a part of Croatia, although the latter refuses to take ownership. Liberland is a worthless piece of forest right now, and there is no interest from the part of Croatia to reclaim it. However, if Liberland is able to attract significant investments, then it will no longer remain as worthless to Croatia.

Why would croatia refuse (officially?) to reclaim that land?



Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2015, 03:51:49 PM
Why would croatia refuse (officially?) to reclaim that land?

Croatia wants the internationational community to recognize an alternate border demarcation line, which would place Liberland outside Croatia (in Serbia, to be precise) and include some 50 sq.km of the current Serbian territory inside Croatia.

Serbia, and the international community is refusing to recognize the alternate border demarcation line. The disputed Serbian-controlled territory is being administered by Serbia. But Croatia is refusing to administer the Liberland region, although it should be under their de facto control.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on April 23, 2015, 10:33:09 AM
I'm much amazed from this situation. I have yet to see any official reaction from Croatia or Serbia regarding Liberland. If I were to invest there, I would wait till they recognize the new country.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2015, 11:41:16 AM
Monaco has a Prince, the Vatican has a pope, both have centuries of history, monuments and beautiful people. What has Liberland besides mosquitoes? It would take billions to make a nice place out of Liberland, and then Serbia or Croatia would just claim everything is their property. I like the idea of creating a new country, but I don't see it as possible within Europe.
That is true. As per the international laws, Liberland is a part of Croatia, although the latter refuses to take ownership. Liberland is a worthless piece of forest right now, and there is no interest from the part of Croatia to reclaim it. However, if Liberland is able to attract significant investments, then it will no longer remain as worthless to Croatia.
Considering how many people want to live in Liberland (without it having any infrastructure) this doesn't really matter. Who says that Liberland can't become a place for the rich like Monaco with just an added bonus which would be Bitcoin. Recent information shows that over 200 000 people have applied to become citizens!
I'm much amazed from this situation. I have yet to see any official reaction from Croatia or Serbia regarding Liberland. If I were to invest there, I would wait till they recognize the new country.
I'm not sure that they really care about it. This was a result of unnecessary political drama; the land is useless to both sides.
Liberland however has a different problem. I didn't notice anyone mentioning this. This land was already claimed by Paraduin (which received much less recognition by the masses). http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173
I wonder how this would get resolved?


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: freemind1 on April 23, 2015, 12:26:10 PM
Did not know anything there. What currency are?. And a rather silly question ... If they have no army as they could prevent a possible military invasion of another country?.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2015, 01:06:29 PM
Did not know anything there. What currency are?. And a rather silly question ... If they have no army as they could prevent a possible military invasion of another country?.
How about reading the replies first before replying? This is quite a stupid question as it was answered at the very beginning.
They're going to use Bitcoin as their currency.
No, they can't defend themselves now. Actually there isn't something to defend at the moment.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 23, 2015, 01:58:40 PM
Did not know anything there. What currency are?. And a rather silly question ... If they have no army as they could prevent a possible military invasion of another country?.



Those points are what make this threads being this long. Read through and... Welcome.

 8)




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 23, 2015, 02:29:51 PM
Monaco has a Prince, the Vatican has a pope, both have centuries of history, monuments and beautiful people. What has Liberland besides mosquitoes? It would take billions to make a nice place out of Liberland, and then Serbia or Croatia would just claim everything is their property. I like the idea of creating a new country, but I don't see it as possible within Europe.
That is true. As per the international laws, Liberland is a part of Croatia, although the latter refuses to take ownership. Liberland is a worthless piece of forest right now, and there is no interest from the part of Croatia to reclaim it. However, if Liberland is able to attract significant investments, then it will no longer remain as worthless to Croatia.
Considering how many people want to live in Liberland (without it having any infrastructure) this doesn't really matter. Who says that Liberland can't become a place for the rich like Monaco with just an added bonus which would be Bitcoin. Recent information shows that over 200 000 people have applied to become citizens!
I'm much amazed from this situation. I have yet to see any official reaction from Croatia or Serbia regarding Liberland. If I were to invest there, I would wait till they recognize the new country.
I'm not sure that they really care about it. This was a result of unnecessary political drama; the land is useless to both sides.
Liberland however has a different problem. I didn't notice anyone mentioning this. This land was already claimed by Paraduin (which received much less recognition by the masses). http://www.paraduin.nl/?p=173
I wonder how this would get resolved?


(google translate)

Paraduin
Para Dune is the name of our planet in a parallel universe. Technologically Para Dune not developed, but unlike Earth Para Dune is a magical world.

Between Para and Dune Earth opens a gate. Because it does not go with the civilization on Earth well, residents of Para Dune started a new country here. The name of this country is also Para Dune.

Territoriale claim

Para Dune exists on Earth from the following areas:

address Igor Stravinsky Singel 50, 3069 MA Rotterdam (Rotterdam cadastre, Section 13E, complex AFD BA 1616);
Siga , formerly  terra nullius , west of the Danube between Croatia and Serbia;
both since April 1, 2015.

https://i.imgur.com/IAhm9up.jpg

Constitution van Paraduin
Citizens of Para Dune have the right to a fair trial.
Citizenship of Para Duin, the rights and duties of citizens and aliens, and other rights and obligations are regulated by law, to the extent not already provided for in the constitution.
Every citizen has freedom of thought. Exclusively peaceful religions and beliefs may be propagated.
Citizens have the right to association, assembly, expression and demonstration.
Every citizen has the right to life and death, personal freedom and property, and the protection of their rights and their privacy.
Para Dune is a monarchy. The title of the monarch's prince (ss), fully Prince (ss) of Para Dune. His monarch Prince Ogidius and his legitimate successors. The succession is regulated by law.
Monarch's legal representative and a citizen of Para Dune. Other titles and representation are regulated by law.
The law may impose restrictions on rights and obligations, subject to Article 1, and only if the need arises to do so under Article 1.
In law the rights and duties of citizens can be further clarified.
Laws and constitution are introduced, amended and abolished by decree of the legitimate monarch, unless otherwise provided by law.
In cases where the constitution or the law does not decide the monarch.



Hmm... No freedom of speech hey!






Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lauda on April 23, 2015, 03:11:30 PM
-snip-

Constitution van Paraduin
Citizens of Para Dune have the right to a fair trial.
Citizenship of Para Duin, the rights and duties of citizens and aliens, and other rights and obligations are regulated by law, to the extent not already provided for in the constitution.
Every citizen has freedom of thought. Exclusively peaceful religions and beliefs may be propagated.
Citizens have the right to association, assembly, expression and demonstration.
Every citizen has the right to life and death, personal freedom and property, and the protection of their rights and their privacy.
Para Dune is a monarchy. The title of the monarch's prince (ss), fully Prince (ss) of Para Dune. His monarch Prince Ogidius and his legitimate successors. The succession is regulated by law.
Monarch's legal representative and a citizen of Para Dune. Other titles and representation are regulated by law.
The law may impose restrictions on rights and obligations, subject to Article 1, and only if the need arises to do so under Article 1.
In law the rights and duties of citizens can be further clarified.
Laws and constitution are introduced, amended and abolished by decree of the legitimate monarch, unless otherwise provided by law.
In cases where the constitution or the law does not decide the monarch.


Hmm... No freedom of speech hey!
I did not know this. Freedom of thought is a very stupid expression. I hardly doubt that anyone can prohibit thinking. Then it is no surprise that this didn't take off, it's a stupid attempt at a monarchy with no freedom of speech. Liberland on the other hand has a chance. It depends on the people who applied for a citizenship.
I wonder however how many people can they accept in the first round?


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 23, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
-snip-

Constitution van Paraduin
Citizens of Para Dune have the right to a fair trial.
Citizenship of Para Duin, the rights and duties of citizens and aliens, and other rights and obligations are regulated by law, to the extent not already provided for in the constitution.
Every citizen has freedom of thought. Exclusively peaceful religions and beliefs may be propagated.
Citizens have the right to association, assembly, expression and demonstration.
Every citizen has the right to life and death, personal freedom and property, and the protection of their rights and their privacy.
Para Dune is a monarchy. The title of the monarch's prince (ss), fully Prince (ss) of Para Dune. His monarch Prince Ogidius and his legitimate successors. The succession is regulated by law.
Monarch's legal representative and a citizen of Para Dune. Other titles and representation are regulated by law.
The law may impose restrictions on rights and obligations, subject to Article 1, and only if the need arises to do so under Article 1.
In law the rights and duties of citizens can be further clarified.
Laws and constitution are introduced, amended and abolished by decree of the legitimate monarch, unless otherwise provided by law.
In cases where the constitution or the law does not decide the monarch.


Hmm... No freedom of speech hey!
I did not know this. Freedom of thought is a very stupid expression. I hardly doubt that anyone can prohibit thinking. Then it is no surprise that this didn't take off, it's a stupid attempt at a monarchy with no freedom of speech. Liberland on the other hand has a chance. It depends on the people who applied for a citizenship.
I wonder however how many people can they accept in the first round?


I believe everyone from porcfest  (http://porcfest.com/)should be a Liberland citizen. Automagically!

 8)



Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: pawel7777 on April 24, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Latest press hit by The Guardian:

Liberland: hundreds of thousands apply to live in world's newest 'country'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/liberland-hundreds-of-thousands-apply-to-live-in-worlds-newest-country

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...
“The legal system will incorporate good habits from other countries: Switzerland, Britain, Estonia, some parts of the US constitution,” he adds. Liberland will have a government of “10 to 20 members and a police force, but will not have an army, operating an open-border policy”. An official cryptocurrency along the lines of bitcoin is planned and state debt will be banned under the constitution.



Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on April 24, 2015, 06:30:52 PM
Latest press hit by The Guardian:

Liberland: hundreds of thousands apply to live in world's newest 'country'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/liberland-hundreds-of-thousands-apply-to-live-in-worlds-newest-country

Quote
...
“The legal system will incorporate good habits from other countries: Switzerland, Britain, Estonia, some parts of the US constitution,” he adds. Liberland will have a government of “10 to 20 members and a police force, but will not have an army, operating an open-border policy”. An official cryptocurrency along the lines of bitcoin is planned and state debt will be banned under the constitution.



The Guardian's title is a bit far-fetched. Hundreds of thousands have applied for citizenship, which doesn't necessarily mean they want to move there, but I see a good business there. If that new government asks for €50 to sell passports, they will make a million in no time.

Hey, they said no tax, but they didn't say passports would be free.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on April 24, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
Latest press hit by The Guardian:

Liberland: hundreds of thousands apply to live in world's newest 'country'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/liberland-hundreds-of-thousands-apply-to-live-in-worlds-newest-country

Quote
...
“The legal system will incorporate good habits from other countries: Switzerland, Britain, Estonia, some parts of the US constitution,” he adds. Liberland will have a government of “10 to 20 members and a police force, but will not have an army, operating an open-border policy”. An official cryptocurrency along the lines of bitcoin is planned and state debt will be banned under the constitution.



The Guardian's title is a bit far-fetched. Hundreds of thousands have applied for citizenship, which doesn't necessarily mean they want to move there, but I see a good business there. If that new government asks for €50 to sell passports, they will make a million in no time.

Hey, they said no tax, but they didn't say passports would be free.


Liberland should have their own kind of blockchain for everything money/state related. Each passport should be like a storage of trust. If you are an outstanding citizen your liberlandcoin will go up in value. Everyone could consult the liberland blockchain and see if your trust capital is good or not.




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: ðºÞæ on May 03, 2015, 05:45:56 PM
Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on May 03, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)


https://i.imgur.com/xbw4iYQ.png

Enclav I?




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: pawel7777 on May 03, 2015, 09:15:36 PM
Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)

Wow, the entire 100m². And they already chose Dogecoin as official currency.

The only photo is from google maps, my guess is that author the website has actually never been there.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on May 03, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)

100 m² and 128 people have already been granted citizenship. Not for me! I like open spaces.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on May 04, 2015, 02:31:29 AM
Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)

100 m² and 128 people have already been granted citizenship. Not for me! I like open spaces.

Not a fan of being a serf in a 100 m² kingdom either.



Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lethn on May 04, 2015, 09:35:49 AM
People seriously need to stop setting up Landlocked countries ( Don't think you can really call these plots of land nations ) because it will make it very difficult for people to survive if surrounding countries decide to put any kind of embargo on them or invade.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Aggressor66 on May 04, 2015, 09:53:49 AM
It's easy for the Serbs to support Liberland. There's the Danube dividing them and the territory of this country wannabe. The border between Serbia and Croatia is at the middle of the river.
Which means that Croatia will have the final word to say and they are not amused.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lauda on May 04, 2015, 09:59:22 AM
People seriously need to stop setting up Landlocked countries ( Don't think you can really call these plots of land nations ) because it will make it very difficult for people to survive if surrounding countries decide to put any kind of embargo on them or invade.
Well not necessarily. There are countries that are already locked down/between others. The issue is that they're starting up a new country (i.e. there isn't anything there) and on a very small territory.
Just look at this one. The size of the land that I own is bigger than this country!

Another new country born
http://enclava.org/ (http://enclava.org/)

Wow, the entire 100m². And they already chose Dogecoin as official currency.
The only photo is from google maps, my guess is that author the website has actually never been there.
They've even chosen the wrong currency. I mean what's the point of this?
What's the point of having more and more countries in the world?


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: patt0 on May 04, 2015, 10:24:04 AM
pff they are doing it wrong already

"- do not have communist, nazi or other extremist past"
"- were not punished for past criminal offenses"

They are being extremist already by excluding these profiles. This means that they don't believe in "redemption", so what would happen if someone committed a crime in their country? Would they be banned, or worst?
Those two rules are the first point for them to claim superiority, like they are better than those that have a criminal offense (because they don't even analyze the context, they just exclude them period).

Next step they will conquer the world and instead of killing Jewish they will ban/kill people that fit in that profile...


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: coric on May 08, 2015, 08:38:13 PM
Hey, any news about that funny swampland? Got to say of all micronations they seem to have the best chances, maybe after Sealand


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on May 08, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
Hey, any news about that funny swampland? Got to say of all micronations they seem to have the best chances, maybe after Sealand


The best way for those nations to survive is to create a blockchain of micro nations across the globe. A decentralized country with bits of lands everywhere.




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Wilikon on May 09, 2015, 04:54:39 PM



Microstate tax haven in the Balkans? Not that easy





Vit Jedlicka, self-declared president of Liberland, looks at his phones in a private compound in Backi Monostor, Serbia, Friday, May 1, 2015. The inauguration of world's new mini-state in the war-torn Balkans may sound as an elaborate joke by international organizers, but Croats and Serbs aren't laughing. The so-called Free Republic of Liberland, a 7-square-kilometer swampy patch of isolated land on the banks of the Danube river border between Serbia and Croatia _ which fought a war in the 1990s _ has been blocked by police in both states. (AP Photo/Darko Vojinovic)


BATINA, Croatia (AP) — The inauguration of a new libertarian mini-state in the war-ravaged Balkans may sound like an elaborate joke. But Croatian and Serbian authorities aren't laughing.

The so-called Free Republic of Liberland, a 7-square-kilometer (3 sq. mile) patch of swampland on the banks of the Danube, between Serbia and Croatia, has been blocked for over a week by police in both states.

The heavily forested area where deer and wild boar roam has been claimed by a group of Czech, Swiss, Danish and others who have announced they are forming of a tax haven — like Monaco or Liechtenstein — in the heart of the Balkans.

Things aren't going that smoothly for the new "nation," where self-declared President Vit Jedlicka planned to start inhabiting the land this week.

Croatia deployed border police units and patrol boats to prevent repeated attempts by dozens of Liberland organizers and their followers to reach the uninhabited area, whose only building is a run-down abandoned hunter lodge. Serbian police prevented them from crossing the border from their side.

"The police did their job maybe even better than expected," said Jedlicka, a member of a small libertarian Czech party. "Even the people who wanted to give us the boats were searched and were told that they are not allowed to give us the boats.
"But we won't give up that easy," he said. "We'll keep on trying."

Jedlicka in April planted Liberland's yellow-and-black flag on muddy land a little bigger than The Vatican. He says that the particular area was chosen because it is a rare "unclaimed" territory in Europe. The truth is that both Serbia and Croatia claim that land and still need to settle their border dispute stemming from the 1990s Balkan wars.

Legal experts in both Serbia and Croatia say that the territory is not a no-man's land, and that Jedlicka has no legal right under international law to claim it.


"It is legally senseless that someone sticks a flag on a disputed territory and declares it an independent state," said Bojan Milisavljevic, a law professor at Belgrade University.

This is not the first time enthusiasts have sought to create their own micro-states. Several attempts, including claiming abandoned British anti-aircraft platforms in the North Sea, have foundered in past decades.

Croatia called the Liberland "a virtual caricature" and Serbia said it is an "entertaining act which needs no further comment."
But the Liberland supporters, whose motto is "To Live and Let Live," claim they are serious.

Jedlicka said that over 300,000 people have signed up for citizenship over social media and investors have pledged billions of dollars in investment since the idea was advertised earlier this year. He has offered no proof for the financing claim. The micro-state's constitution says residency is open to anyone who does not have a criminal record or "Communist, Nazi or any other extremist past."

"The idea is of Liberland is to create a minimal state, a free state in the middle of Europe, on the Danube, and to experiment with creating a society the way we want it to be," said Niklas Nikolajsen, CEO of Bitcoin Suisse AG, the Swiss outcrop for the virtual currency Bitcoin — which Liberlanders vow to use.

Jedlicka said the state will have "a voluntary taxing system" where inhabitants will pay as much as they want, or nothing.
But locals are skeptical that such a country could ever be formed in the Balkans.

"I can understand that some people are supportive of what's happening," said Dominik Galinec, who lives in a nearby Croatian village. "But realistically, you can't just go somewhere and say 'this is my country.'"


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150509/eu--balkans-liberland-124676cd43.html




Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: pawel7777 on May 09, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
^^^

So this is how it ends. Not really surprised. Or maybe they'll just carry on purely as 'internet nation'...


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: on May 09, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
^^^

So this is how it ends. Not really surprised. Or maybe they'll just carry on purely as 'internet nation'...
a second Wirtland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtland_%28micronation%29) ?


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Lethn on May 09, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
Exactly what I said would happen, if he wasn't landlocked he could have brought in mercenaries and supporters along with arms and supplies from other countries, the guy just hadn't thought ahead at all.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: countryfree on May 09, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
Exactly what I thought in my first post... Europe just isn't a good place to create a new country from scratch.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: on May 10, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
President has been arrested
http://www.bosniatoday.ba/liberland-vit-jedlicka-arrested-on-croatian-territory/ (http://www.bosniatoday.ba/liberland-vit-jedlicka-arrested-on-croatian-territory/)


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: pawel7777 on May 10, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
President has been arrested
http://www.bosniatoday.ba/liberland-vit-jedlicka-arrested-on-croatian-territory/ (http://www.bosniatoday.ba/liberland-vit-jedlicka-arrested-on-croatian-territory/)


Props to the President. I expected him to just let it go and let the project die, but he did dare to go back there after all.

It's going to be interesting from the legal point of view whether 'illegal crossing' charges are justified:

Quote
It is also not true, as some media have reported, that the Liberland territory is not no man’s land as it is allegedly claimed by both neighboring countries, Croatia and Serbia. If the land was claimed by Croatia, their police could not arrest people for any illegal border crossing.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: jaysabi on May 11, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
Exactly what I said would happen, if he wasn't landlocked he could have brought in mercenaries and supporters along with arms and supplies from other countries, the guy just hadn't thought ahead at all.

Or pre-populate with mercenaries before you declare your independence? In any event, it ends the same way. Doubtful they would ever find enough people willing to risk their lives to enforce such an infantile effort at creating a nation.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: leopard2 on May 11, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
Criminal organizations don't like competition from beneficent organizations, of course.  :-[


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: BitcoinFX on June 16, 2015, 01:08:16 PM
"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf (https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf)

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/ (https://kingdomsudan.org/)

 


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: pureelite on June 16, 2015, 01:19:23 PM






http://liberland.org/







If you purchased a map of Europe before April 13, it may already be out of date. This past Monday, Europe’s newest country was unveiled: the Free Republic of Liberland.





The tiny country sits on about seven square kilometers (less than 3 square miles) of land along the Danube River, between the official borders of Croatia and Serbia. According to Liberland’s President Vit Jedlicka, the land was considered “terra nullis” or nobody’s land.

Despite being just under three square miles in area, Liberland is not the smallest country on the planet. In fact, it is larger than the Vatican and Monaco.

According to a news release posted on the Liberland site, the founders are Czech citizens who formed something called a “Preparatory Committee,” elected a president (Jedlicka) and decided to declare their new state and planted a flag.




President Jedlicka (second from right) and other Liberland founders at flag raising. Image source: Liberland.org




Those interested in becoming a citizen of the fledgling nation need to file an application. However, there is no official time frame attached to the process. According to the site, applications will be dealt with “in due time.”

What does it take to qualify to be a Liberland-ian? According the web site, potential citizens must:

- have respect for other people and respect the opinions of others, regardless of their race, ethnicity, orientation, or religion

- have respect for private ownership which is untouchable

- do not have communist, nazi or other extremist past

- were not punished for past criminal offenses

If you meet all of above criteria and have an interest in joining Liberland, you will need to fill out the citizenship application and file it electronically. (There is no place to send “snail mail” in the new country.)

Liberland does have a Facebook page which has already gotten more than 28,000 “likes.”



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/17/taxes-are-optional-and-there-is-no-military-welcome-to-liberland-europes-brand-new-country/


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Do they know about BTC ?

 :)




Yeah, I'm from Serbia, so I know about it. It sounds like an interesting concept, especially if they'll accept bitcoin as official currency; but if you look at it, it is just a normal country with normal principles, which are completely forgotten in modern day society (respect etc.). So, kudos to the newly elected president of Liberland.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 16, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf (https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf)

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/ (https://kingdomsudan.org/)

The so called "Kingdom" of North Sudan is not a sovereign nation, and unlike Liberland, it does not control any territory on its own. And there are multiple micronations which are claiming sovereignty over the Bir Tawil region. "The Kingdom of North Sudan" is just one of those micronations, which exists only on webpages.


Title: Re: Welcome to Liberland, Europe’s Brand New Country! Taxes 'Optional', No Military!
Post by: Spendulus on June 16, 2015, 09:13:12 PM
"The Kingdom of North Sudan recognizes the Liberland"

- 19th April 2015 - Liberland - Proclamation: https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf (https://kingdomsudan.org/page/our-news/uploads/media/Liberland - Proclamation.pdf)

- The Kingdom of North Sudan: https://kingdomsudan.org/ (https://kingdomsudan.org/)

The so called "Kingdom" of North Sudan is not a sovereign nation, and unlike Liberland, it does not control any territory on its own. And there are multiple micronations which are claiming sovereignty over the Bir Tawil region. "The Kingdom of North Sudan" is just one of those micronations, which exists only on webpages.

Maybe micronations, which exist only on webpages, are a thing of the future.