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April 18, 2015, 02:42:48 PM
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If you purchased a map of Europe before April 13, it may already be out of date. This past Monday, Europe’s newest country was unveiled: the Free Republic of Liberland.





The tiny country sits on about seven square kilometers (less than 3 square miles) of land along the Danube River, between the official borders of Croatia and Serbia. According to Liberland’s President Vit Jedlicka, the land was considered “terra nullis” or nobody’s land.

Despite being just under three square miles in area, Liberland is not the smallest country on the planet. In fact, it is larger than the Vatican and Monaco.

According to a news release posted on the Liberland site, the founders are Czech citizens who formed something called a “Preparatory Committee,” elected a president (Jedlicka) and decided to declare their new state and planted a flag.




President Jedlicka (second from right) and other Liberland founders at flag raising. Image source: Liberland.org




Those interested in becoming a citizen of the fledgling nation need to file an application. However, there is no official time frame attached to the process. According to the site, applications will be dealt with “in due time.”

What does it take to qualify to be a Liberland-ian? According the web site, potential citizens must:

- have respect for other people and respect the opinions of others, regardless of their race, ethnicity, orientation, or religion

- have respect for private ownership which is untouchable

- do not have communist, nazi or other extremist past

- were not punished for past criminal offenses

If you meet all of above criteria and have an interest in joining Liberland, you will need to fill out the citizenship application and file it electronically. (There is no place to send “snail mail” in the new country.)

Liberland does have a Facebook page which has already gotten more than 28,000 “likes.”



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/17/taxes-are-optional-and-there-is-no-military-welcome-to-liberland-europes-brand-new-country/


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April 18, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
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April 18, 2015, 03:03:41 PM
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In fact, this is my neighboring country, just over the river Smiley
Hope to visit them soon, and maybe apply for citizenship.
Why I have not come up with this idea Sad
Welcome Liberland, hopefully first country in Europe to accept bitcoin as official currency.

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April 18, 2015, 03:24:14 PM
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In fact, this is my neighboring country, just over the river Smiley
Hope to visit them soon, and maybe apply for citizenship.
Why I have not come up with this idea Sad
Welcome Liberland, hopefully first country in Europe to accept bitcoin as official currency.



Tell them not to forget their country's space is not just limited horizontally...

http://inhabitat.com/underground-skyscraper-that-heals-the-scars-of-open-pit-mining/above-below-skyscraper-5a/

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/27/tech/gallery/earthscraper-underground-mexico/index.html


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April 18, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
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Ah, my countrymen at action again. Czechs never cease to surprise me and I live among them my whole life. Nice project, I just hope it is more, than a way of making headlines before next election (Jedlicka is member czech "Free ones" libertarian party).
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April 18, 2015, 03:50:55 PM
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Ah, my countrymen at action again. Czechs never cease to surprise me and I live among them my whole life. Nice project, I just hope it is more, than a way of making headlines before next election (Jedlicka is member czech "Free ones" libertarian party).



I hope for them too. How fast can we have them register maritime flags?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_flag


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April 18, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
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Bitcoin is national currency here Smiley
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/welcome-liberland-bitcoin-national-currency/

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April 18, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
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What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.
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April 18, 2015, 05:16:09 PM
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What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?




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April 18, 2015, 07:12:13 PM
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Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

They will definitely need an army to fight against Serbia and Croatia, because both countries claim it. It's actually unoccupied, but it's more of a demilitarized zone than an unclaimed territory.

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April 18, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
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Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

They will definitely need an army to fight against Serbia and Croatia, because both countries claim it. It's actually unoccupied, but it's more of a demilitarized zone than an unclaimed territory.

A military is just a fighting force of soldiers who are willing to protect their land and it's an organisational structure, it doesn't necessarily have to be funded with taxes, but it's incredibly naive to think a country can be formed without one.
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What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

Probably it can, if the country does a good job of making it's existence to it's neighbors more important than it's non existence.

A small non threatening country in a disputed area could prevent war between the neighboring countries.  Then it grows and becomes valuable and they start eying it greedily.





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Let them improve the land or put up infrastructure and the country will become a possible milk farm for Serbia and Croatia.
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What geniuses, they've gone and created one of the tiniest countries on earth that's landlocked, which means they won't have any real trade with other countries to help their country grow to begin with. Look it's a noble idea and everything, but just once I'd wish there was someone out there who had thought their actions through. To me it seems like this is just another pet project of some rich people like Sealand and they haven't given it any serious thought, take a look at what the Kurds are doing in Iraq and Syria, their operation is something I've been learning about awhile and it makes people like this look like a joke.

You need much more than just a few idiots planting a flag to form a country, I expect the Czech army to roll in within weeks and arrest them because naturally these guys won't have thought that far ahead and gotten themselves some weaponry to fight back with which they would have been able to do if they had a real coastal region for themselves.


Can freedom (for a country) exist without a strong military force?

Yes, atleast in Europe. Neither Monaco, nor Lichtenstein has military force to my knowledge. Their independence is guaranteed by their neighbours and  central Europeans generally respect written agreements. Historically, Holy Roman Empire of German Nation functioned in similar way, there were literally hundreds of counties and free cities with only minority having standing armies.
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April 19, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
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This looks like a nice little scam they're running. Convince people to you're a country and then accept donations from people gullible enough to literally buy into it. Their public bank account (https://www.fio.cz/scgi-bin/hermes/dz-transparent.cgi?ID_ucet=2800402875) currently shows that people have given them 36,598.31 Czech Koruny ($1400) in a few days. Not bad!

So much for crypto though I guess.

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April 19, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
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I'm sure if they allow themselves to be continually shaken down by Serbia or Croatia then they'll be allowed to stay in operation. Either that, or form an alliance w/ one or the other and see how things go. It's a free state project for Europe for those that can't make the US version in NH.
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April 20, 2015, 06:47:31 AM
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They took good interest as yesterday Czech number one TV "Nova" show reportage about Liberland. It was in evening prime time. They explain basic and mentioned Bitcoin as well. Last moment they update number of citizens who apply to be Liberland citizens grow to some thousand people now.
It`s clear they getting very popular.
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They took good interest as yesterday Czech number one TV "Nova" show reportage about Liberland. It was in evening prime time. They explain basic and mentioned Bitcoin as well. Last moment they update number of citizens who apply to be Liberland citizens grow to some thousand people now.
It`s clear they getting very popular.

Yeah they also had rly good coverage in Serbian media to.

I don't think Serbia will have anything against that new "republic" but im starting to think they just want to get some money and abandon it.

There is one good thing with all this thou. More people will hear about bitcoin till this happened bitcoin was never mentioned in Serbian media.

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They have a good chance to form a country. The mosquitoes there would be able to suck dry any army what would try to recover that land Smiley.
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They have a good chance to form a country. The mosquitoes there would be able to suck dry any army what would try to recover that land Smiley.

Very true Cheesy . That land there has loads of them and also it was never treated against mosquitoes not by Serbia and not by Croatia Cheesy .

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