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Hi,

After PMing with some fellow miners I decided to open a thread about Bonuspool since the original is locked by Clipse(Nothing wrong with that considering pools current situation). We need a different thread for all the speculation.

(thread will be locked if conversation gets off topic or the word 'ponzi' or 'scam' is mentioned too many times)

Also, if you are not mining at Bonuspool, I'm not sure we need your opinion.


UPDATED 22th October


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118353.0

Clipse stole ~1800 BTC from his miners. He now claims that he was hacked and everything is gone. No police reports scanned, no extra info given. He just says "I'm sorry but you won't see your coins"

Clipse = Neill Roelofse
10 May 1983
Cape Town
http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/images/261072.jpg

I don't understand Bonuspool these days, the terms are confusing and change frequently.

Can someone explain them in a couple of short, clear, and precise sentences or paragraphs?

I'm genuinely interested in going back, but want to know exactly what I'm getting into.

Thanks in advance!

If you start right now you will get 130% PPS. Coins will be paid at the end of October.

I don't think that's too bad if you have some coins and can afford to wait two months. Signing up is done by PMing Clipse. Instructions are in OP of the actual Bonuspool thread.

I have 27btc locked in bonuspool not including interest rates.

Carefuly thinking about the past weeks of august I'm unfortunately not wery optimistic about my coins, I'm assuming I will never get them.
Clipse has always been wery nice when writing to him but this is internet and I don't know him personaly.

It is up to everyone to choose to believe or not to believe what is written in the bonuspool thread.
If what is written is true I would be wery disappointed the way business was handled.

So basicaly Bonuspool owes it's miners BTC and the clients that buy the BTC, if this is true it's unfortunately a wery bad business model.

Now as I wrote initaly I'm not expecting to ever get my coins back, even If I do who knows, maybe the bitcoins value will be worthless compared to USD, bitcoins are wery volatile and things can change wery fast in days, weeks and months (to better or worse).

I don't know if what I wrote makes sense, english is not may main language so excuse me.

I tried to avoid new speculation on the subject since what I stated in the old thread is the only way forward to deal with outstanding payments.

No discussion will make me repay coins faster than what I wrote in the Bonuspool thread and I prefer that if users dont understand the process as outlined in that thread they should rather not signup/mine in the mean time, I dont want to confuse/upset more miners until everything is sorted.

When/if BTCST payout there would be even more BTC and early repayments done, but right now this seems like an uphill battle and I dont rely on this right now.

I do appreciate everyone who is sticking through the this period, once we get to the other side of this ordreal I will see how many users remain and if its still viable to continue at that point.

I had an agreement with Clipse via email to have mine paid prior to the pirate collapse, but this was not honoured (yes that is spelt correctly I am from New Zealand) and will not be after I emailed complaints.

However, I would mine with Clipse again, but only with an instant payout model. (Why not at 130%??).

I think the 130% announcement, being able to lock the pool thread, combined with this bad news on payments is alarming.
He should be taking his own risk, not pushing it on to miners unknown to them.

I cant agree with everyone during this.

You requested withdrawal and few hours later all funds were locked up unable to withdraw from bitcoinmax. At the time you requested I did request large withdrawal but then the BTCST news hit. If you want to see that as unfair then so be it but use your judgement and understand why I couldnt honour it. If I honoured your withdrawal request then Id have to honoured everyone and there isnt enough BTC to go around at the time, do you really think you have more right to your withdrawal request than everyone else ?

You can take it as you want and I tried to explain to you over and over via email but you seem to just ignore what I am telling you.

I cant please everyone during this payment stage and clearly I am not pleasing you but explaining the situation over and over to you and others isnt going to change anything even if I could.

I know im going to take more and more flack from this, some will hate me, some will understand and support me, I cant change what happened.

PS. there is no special powers for locking pool threads, anyone who started a thread can lock it.

Sorry I wasn't aware of that.

I kind of have mixed feelings about this. Waiting until Sept 30th means mining on bonuspool for 3 straight months with 0 payouts. That is a HUGE risk for miners. On the other hand, the whole pirate defaulting thing ruined the 110% payouts and put Clipse in a situation where he doesn't have enough bitcoins to pay miners since his funds are locked up. I am sticking with Clipse and continuing to mine. As long as he lives up to his 130% payout, I will be happy. From the talks I have had with him on IRC and such, he seems legit. Damn risks, bitcoins are killing me :P

I think the amount of scammers in the bitcoin community just makes me quite nervous!

I have bought 12 GPUs over the past month and today I thought, shit, this is just a little risky, should I sell up? (this is in no way directed at Clipse or Bonuspool)

As long as there are greedy people who are willing to invest, there will be scammers. This applies to everything. Looks like making money with your computer is not enough for Bitcoiners. They want to invest their coins with someone who doesn't even tell what he is doing with them (pirate). Greed is a sickness.

If you got into Bitcoin because it's easy money - Yes, you should sell some, maybe all. Invest only what you can afford to lose.

If you thought Bitcoin is a great idea and will change how people do business - Nothing has changed. No need to sell right now when mining is profitable.

Since this is a Bonuspool discussion I could tell my opinion about it. Clipse has a great business that took a hit. That happens. This is a difficult situation for Clipse and for miners.

Just a short update on progress.

At the current rate if we can get an extra 100GH added today to the pool it should be highly possible to clear all pre-september and September-end of September payments at the end of September, meaning it will be up to date on payments at the end of September speeding up the recovery process.

I hope this is some good news, if some of you could add extra GH to get to about 100GH more on the pool this would be doable cutting all outstanding payouts by a month from the initial repayment plans.

Only update I have however it is atleast more positive and I hope to cut repayments down to end of September rather than the initial end of October.

What's the plan after this recovery stage?

Would you ever move to a pay as you mine type pool, or do you still want to go with the current process?

All depends on how many users remain at that time. Id like to continue even if the rates need to fluctuate but with the goal of 100%+ PPS for as long as I can get jobs that pays for it.

My plans before this shitstorm hit was to make the new site go live and finally allow users once a day automated withdrawals for starters but we all know what happened then and I had to put a hold on that launch since I need to clear the old payments before migrating to the new system.

What will you do if you can't keep enough hashrate to meet your current contracts?

Im completing the contracts to take care of current payments, I just dont know what will happen afterwards.

More hashrate now just means I can get all outstanding done by end of September and not end of October.

Haven't had an update in a few weeks, just wanted to check and see if everything was going as planned still?

What a coincidence. I was just thinking about Bonuspool today.

This should be last week before payout so I'd assume that if something had changed, Clipse would have posted.

I could actually start mining at Bonuspool since it's the last week.

Just to clarify: Clipse's original plan is to pay all the coins mined before 31st of August at the end of September. Coins mined during September are paid no later than at the end of October. So that's what I mean with the "last week". I don't know if pool got the needed 100GH extra to clear all the payments at the end of September.

Clipse....  ???

Im still here, havnt gone anywhere.

There just isnt any news other than the end of month is approaching for the first batch of payments as outlined from the start.

You should probably give him at least 10 minutes to answer.
After that call the FBAIIIIIGHT.

Awesome! Hopefully we can keep this pool up and running after all of the payouts.

Just need to note that that updater is slow atm and it may refresh stats showing 0 shares while importing, if you try refresh stats a bit later you will notice it showing shares.

I will have this sorted out on wednesday and until now thought I had it fixed but noticed it slowing down on importing recently.

Payments will be going out sometime between monday and wednesday night, I will be away for 2 weeks, maybe less, but have instructed my friend to handle the payouts and monitor the pool while I am unavailable to keep an eye. When I get back around the 12-13th Oct I will deal with any pool issues that he couldnt deal with in case there is any.

Those of you who notice strange share count from 19th to 25th Sept, I will have a look at the shares for that period and have Jonathan(he will keep an eye on the pool) reset the pool and adjust the shares this coming wednesday to reflect the proper shares in case I notice anything actually being incorrect.

Yha i think it is off says i only summited 8000 shares lol and it says may hash rate is like 221114 i wish it was that high lol anways have a safe trip

Another deadline is being missed? Today is the end of the month....

Why are you re-posting what he just said? The deadline was Sept 30th.

Deadline was set about a month ago. Clipse is away for two weeks. I'm guessing he left before 30th of Sept and couldn't make the payments. He has arranged his friend to make the payments. Maybe Jonathan (friend I mentioned earlier) doesn't know when he as time to make all the payments. As far as I know, they are made manually.

This is just my view of the situation and might very well be wrong. If this deadline is really missed then there's no excuse and we can start discussing about missing deadlines and being dishonest on purpose (and this community loves drama).

I think this whole situation is handled pretty well compared to others who lost money with pirate (although pirate wasn't supposed to be involved).

i also agree with mx and also would like to mention payments usaly always go out tuesday night if im not mistaken.

+1, I feel the same way.

Clipse still has my trust.  He's been open and honest about the situation.

Clipse will regain my trust when he delivers.  No payments since July is crazy.  I understand the situation and am hopeful that he will follow through, but I see a big difference between hope and trust.

I wonder how much coin he's sitting on right now...

That's fair enough.


To be clear though, payments for those who chose the investment option from the time when it was first offered haven't been paid since July.

+1.

How much are people owed?

Under 10btc for me.

Non-investment miner, a little under 10BTC.

Somewhere around 109.49001885 BTC

Ouch.

It's at least over 100 for me ... :-\

So it's safe to say that it's well into the thousands of dollars? Probably into the thousands of BTC too...

can we give him the chance to pay on wensday night like he usually pays out.

It's in the several thousand btc.

He owes me over 300 BTC.

Just wondering if the update should be posted on the original BonusPool thread for those that do not know this one exist. Just a thought.

Thanks Clipse for the update and keep up the great work!

To others, I had already assumed the payouts would coincide with a normal paydate (why wouldn't it). In this case the 1st Wednesday after Sept. 30th is Oct. 3rd. So no misunderstanding here and makes sense to me aswell.

Hard to post since it's locked. Clipse is only one who can open-post-lock.

~160BTC

I PMed you sometime after this post, but well before finding this thread.  Assuming the payout outlined in the quote above is made, then there will be no reason for you to respond to my PM when you get back.

11:36 pm (UTC+3).. cutting it close

Who is this Jonathan person and why is he not posting on this thread?

+1.

Payments were first promised September 30th. Then sometime between Monday and Wednesday. It's Wednesday night. If you want the pool to keep on going in the future, we need info. Are we getting paid or not? I have been patient this entire time, but now I am starting to get worried.

+1

LOL.  I would say +1, but it's more like -173.71567054 for me.

does that count the +20% hes paying on top of it lol

Sooo, no coins. Now we can start speculating.

Jonathan = this is how one gets a two week head start?
Maybe Jonathan just forgot he was supposed to make the payments?

I somehow still believe we are getting our coins. I guess this is the denial part of a scam victim. Yes I said it, scam.

Pool's IP address is still relaying transactions so why the hell can't we get our coins? Typing this and opening the whole thread probably put me at the end of the line.

I hate that feeling. I would not expect that in this case.

I would avoid labeling him a scammer until his return from his ?holiday? at minimum.

Same here, but it's getting frustrating...

I doubt he ever left. He's a thief or the most irresponsible person ever. You can post on the forum or even send btc from a cell phone these days.

We'll find out soon, considering it's already Thursday. I really hope the vacation until Oct 12-13 isn't a desperate hope that Pirate starts paying people back on the 12th, otherwise everyone can probably count their coins as gone.

If he wanted to pay,
there would have been plenty of opportunities.

Clipse hasn't been online since Sept. 29th so he might actually be on vacation/away from the computer at least. Why bother lying about some Jonathan keeping eye of the pool, making payments etc. if he's going to run. I really hope this is just a big misunderstanding between Jonathan and Clipse. On the other hand, pool is still operational and everyone can check that pool IP relaying transactions several times a day.

Clipse has the coins, that's for sure. He is just not paying. No excuse. Nice way to ruin a good business.

This.  Especially since Jonathan presumably has to have enough information to steal from Clipse in order to be able to pay miners.  If this is a misunderstanding, I hope Clipse comes home to the BTC to pay miners (a couple weeks late) as opposed to coming home to find himself scammed (because who would believe that).

I recommend taking a screenshot of all of your unpaid transactions just in case the site magically disappears. Does anyone have info on this Jonathan guy so we can get a hold of him? Or Clipse's name/phone number?

Name/phone shouldn't be a problem because of that website. One service provider is from UK which helps a lot since some of the miners are from EU (if this goes forward and we are talking about fraud). I think it's fair to say that we are talking over 20k€ here. I wouldn't be surprised if it's lot more than that.

Jonathan probably stole all the coins and that's why we can not be paid.

When he said a friend of his would take care of this process I thought two things: 1) How long does it actually take to make say..20 payments? Nothing, that's right, then why subcontract it?  and 2) This friend must obviously be a real life friend, not an internet one, because trusting him with all this money must mean he knows him really well.

It has no excuse what he's done to us and I hope he comes back to the forum after the 12/13 (but somehow I doubt it) to make things right.

I think Clipse once wrote that friend of his was working on the new site and adding some more stats and stuff. I assume this is our mysterious Jonathan who doesn't read the forums, doesn't know that we was supposed to pay the pending rewards to miners but is still moving coins around.

Let's take the tin foil hat off for a while. Clipse has been aroung for a long time. There must be several people who know him. I doubt that he has always hid his IP when using the forum. That service provider from UK is forced to reveal some information if criminal charges come into question. So running with only few thousand BTCs is stupid. But yes, possible. I'm still at denial phase so I believe we'll all get paid :D

My biggest concern is that Clipse said he is going to fulfill contract, get paid in fiat currency, buy bitcoins and then pay us.

Now he said he is off and Jonathan (who is that? Clipse did not give us his contacts) will pay. And Clipse said nothing about contracts, did he fulfill them?

I still have hope of getting money, but this Jonathan story seems like a lie to me. Actually it is lie as we hadn't payment in Mon-Wed timespan as promised in the message.

I didn't "choose" the investment option.  I was automatically opted-in while away on vacation.  By the time I caught up with the thread, it sounded like payments were going out that week.  Shortly after that Pirate (and subsequently Clipse) stopped paying.  I doubt I'm the only one this happened to.

Like I said, I understand the situation.  I still find it disheartening that Clipse committed to paying this week and hasn't.  I would not have kept mining for BonusPool if I didn't think he'd pay.

OMG dude! You are owed some SERIOUS money... I really really hope we all get paid and this is just some anecdote to remember. You are completely right in the opting-in thing...

We'll see what happens in the next few days. Probably nothing says my negative/realistic self.

You're owed a fair share too

is anyone else having connection problems seems my miners arent connecting for like the last 4 or so hours.

I wouldn't think any of these guys are mining for him.

this may be ture  but if there is soeone mine can they let me know lol

Why are you still mining for him when you may get nothing back?
Putting much hash his way?

I know!!!! Tell me about it :P


I've got it as backup pool and it's connecting all right. I guess I shouldn't even have it as backup pool but, as I'm not registered in any other pool than btc guild it's either this or loosing the idle time :D hehe.

One more week to find out how this is going to end.

This date couldn't come faster :P.

I wonder if Clipse is hoping pirate will pay out on the 12th...

I doubt he even has any pirate shares now, not that it really matters. Either he pays when he gets back or he has been lying all along. No one should be sending hashing power to the pool until he clears this up.

Haven't been following and wish i didn't see this thread...

Holding off on more shares until something is learned

Same here since a while back... I really hope that Clipse comes through with this but I am not holding my breath though.

Clipse has logged in THIS MORNING. I can't believe he hasn't made an statement.  :-\

This. I wonder what Clipse will do once he realizes Pirate will never pay back.

He's known that for a while. Probably sold the shares for 30-40% of their value at least. I got over 70% back on mine, although I was expecting the crash and knew to sell asap.

I doubt he sold any.

Session Start: Tue Sep 11 13:50:56 2012
[13:54] <Morblias> pirate ever say anything about his whole deal? do you expect him to ever pay?
[13:55] <Clipse> nope hes just keeping quiet, I will deal with that once I deal with pool payments. Far too much to cope with all at once :/

Well I think it is about time to start coping with the pool payments. Don't you guys agree?

Yeah.. I am owed nothing compared to a chunk of you guys.... Hopefully everything works out

Some of us are still mining at Bonuspool.. (not me). I think that's insane.

Some of us realized that when the odd "Investment Option" scheme was imposed.

Or even earlier, like when Clipse was spending more energy complaining about too much hash power being directed to his pool than beefing up the server.

Maybe the name should be changed to PenaltyPool?   :D

Time to bust out the scammer tag?

Looking that way.

I'd wait a day or two since he might actually be away right now. I would also file a police report and start figuring out where he lives rather than getting him a scammer tag.

So, exahash, when do you stop mining? :D

Scammer tag means nothing.

I agree... it's not like the tag will "hurt his feelings" or something.. We are talking about thousands of GBP/$ here. Do we have any details from the pool domain registration?

My other idea is not public appropriate. It does involve a shovel and fertilizer though.

It's annoying to see people still sending hashing power to the pool. Must be out of town.

Pool is down and Clipse is long gone after his long con  :D

http://bonuspool.co.cc/stats.php
188.227.173.124

https://blockchain.info/ip-address/188.227.173.124

I suggest that we don't discuss any important things in public. Skype group?

Really bummed to see this.  Have talked to Clipse a lot over the past year on IRC and hope for some news but recent history has shown me what hope gets you...

Blockchain.info stats show that coins were transferred somewhere periodically and all the time while miners were waiting for payments...

Well yeah, I never did understand quite why someone would not be able to pay out for a period of ~2 months...

For my own proxy I pay out at worst every 48 hours. If I'm doing contract mining I get paid in advance, so I have coin on hand to pay people, if I'm hopping I have a pretty steady stream of payments going into my wallet, so I have coin on hand to pay people.
If Clipse was being contracted to provide hundreds of gigahashes of mining horsepower for months on end (and honestly, nobody's buying hashrate at >130% PPS at the moment), I can't believe that such a contract would only be set up to get paid at the end of the period. I didn't point any of my own hashrate at bonuspool simply because I didn't understand what sort of business model could provide a 30% bonus, but not be able to pay out for months.

I guess if Clipse is known to the community there's some hope that some of you will get some money out, but given that people know Trendon and Ryan and that lot and they still got away with a fortune I don't see it happening...

I am really bummed seeing this, it really makes this week the worst one I had this year. Hopefully my life goes back on track tomorrow.

LOL.. NO GOD DAMN WAY!!! Holy shit my sides hurt.. LOL
Some retards gave money/BTC to someone who said I will pay you 130% PPS but it will take a few months.  Now the money is gone and so is the scammer.  The STUPIDITY never ends..

This cant be true.. OMG MORONS!!!

You are the moron. Read exactly what happened before commenting. We never 'gave him BTC for him to pay us back 130%' It was a mining pool initially offering 110% payouts weekly (which were paid every week until early July). Right after pirate announced the default, Clipse stopped paying miners out and announced he will have the funds ready to pay out end of september. I don't feel like typing the rest, read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118353.0

Most are non investment miners you fucking idiot.
Clipse just stopped paying us.

You fail at basic reading comprehension.

And some of the investment miners asked for a next day withdrawal (1% fee). Then Pirate defaulted and you can guess if I ever got my coins...

Be polite and don't be blind, at the begining of the topic MXRider said really good thing:


Also, the point is this that pool is paying out every period for a long time before problems and it made trust reserve for the pool but it unfortunately was the thing that leaded to the point where miners are.

Is it possible the pool was a long term ponzi scheme?
I mean Clipse claimed he has buyers in south africa which sounds unrealistic in hindsight...
I have around 28btc at bonuspool but I guess they are forever gone.

Also pirateat40 could be a perfect scapegoat for clipse, not that it really matters as clipse has not given any explanation and just left.....

Search his old threads here. There was a scammer from Sth Africa, and clipsE thought he might know them and offered to help. Obviously he has dodgy friends. Can't beat em join em?

Not an excuse by any means - but the BTCST debacle has certainly had an impact here...

+1, to bad that it did though.

I say we go after Pirate! Let's end this once and for all, no more BS about lawsuits and deadlines. Kill him and brute-force his wallets.

I have so many things to do this week that I don't have time to handle this right now. I've sent couple of emails though.

brute forcing wallet, u know u dont have enough power to do this?

Not that I'm advocating this wanton abuse of perfectly good hand tools, but XKCD has already covered this.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

That was joke :D I'm not killing pirate or brute-forcing his wallet.

I got an answer from the service provider and they have information that can help us but they require "official information requesting the details". So looking good guys!

I still think we should discuss this somewhere else so that Clipse don't know when we finally solve this and book flight tickets to Johannesburg  8)

Good news. It would be also useful to get Clipse IPs from bitcointalk administration, I don't think that he always use anonymous proxy.

Not going to happen. They won't release any information. This is based on my own experience.

Some German dude was selling a lot of 5850s. People paid him and he disappeared or at least tried to. I asked for IP address and Maged refused to give that but I guess we can try :)

Ouch.  I guess I stopped when the site went down.  :-(

I moved a bunch of my miners to Coinlab in Sept.  Now the rest are there too.

Session Start: Sun Oct 14 00:00:00 2012
Session Ident: #bitcoin-mining
[12:40] <Morblias> so gmaxwell, is it possible for mods of bitcointalk to release Clipse's IP addresses?
[12:40] <gmaxwell> Morblias: not the mods, theymos might.
[12:40] <gmaxwell> There is someone on IRC that IIRC sold him a bunch of hardware that might have his address.
[12:40] <gmaxwell> however IIRC he's in south africa.
[12:41] <gmaxwell> I'll ping the person who I believe sold him hardware and ask if he cares if it's known.
[12:43] <gmaxwell> Okay, person pinged.

South africa is hilariously corrupt, I'm sure anyone who wants to front the cash to the local police force can have Clipse delivered to them...

Yes South Africa sucks, I'd never invest one satoshi in that hell hole of a backwards armpit.

All the miners down there are on strike, no wonder Clipse absconded with all the bitcoins!   :'(

Right now I am owed 530 coins. Ouch!! regular miner, non-investor. That was just for the month of September. I definately want to be included in any investigation and definately willing to do what I can to keep this moving foward.  :( >:(

Holy CARP

Everyone post here too under Scam Accusations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118353.0

Hello everyone,
I'm short for 100btc :)
And...I am not investor. I just keep coins becouse I think that they are safe on bonuspool...Yes...I was stupid :)

Here are the IP address:
196.209.243.169 nroelofse@gmail.com

There are two scenarios:
1 From the beginning he planned fraud. In this case a fraud is worse than all the others because he won the confidence of most of us...so he was really good :)

2. He Really lost coins because they are invested in BTCS & T. That this scenario is true he would not have escaped without a trace and he will paid to us at least part of the coins.

I vote for 1.  >:(

http://www.iptrackeronline.com/index.php?ip_address=196.209.243.169
Here you can see direct location in SA.
He worked on www.btcwarp.com pool and I get his adress from there.
I hope this can help.

Danilo. I was a regular miner as well. Didn't ask or want risk. Unfortunately I didn't keep up on bitcointalk nor keep track of my wallet for payments. I was just under the assumption that my wallet was collecting the coin as usual since I was waiting for the price to go up later on. Me bad.

I am owed 530 BTC. If you figure that at a 95% PPS from other pools though then I lost 325 BTC. Which is still way too much.

Where did you get nroelofse@gmail.com? Did Clipse communicate to you through this email at some point. Also is the ip from the email header trace?

I do have pool.bonuspool.co.cc and bonuspool.co.cc ips before they went down if that helps. They are
pool.bonuspool.co.cc = 188.227.173.101 and bonuspool.co.cc = 188.227.173.124.


I am sure the right person could probably contact the data centre that was handling pool.bonuspool.co.cc and get some info.

I vote 2. He seemed honest for the most part up to the pirate dibacle.

This sucks... Clipse was always cool with me.... Always honest and upfront about everything.... I had no idea people were owed so much...

+1

I never experienced him being shady at all like some of the other people bashing him in this thread.  It's too bad that it's playing out like those same people were thinking it would play out.

What was he honest about?

I still can't believe this. Screw up with your OWN money and steal from others to cover your OWN losses and then (try to) disappear. I hate this denial part of being a victim, all I can think of is "there has to be some kind of explanation, he was always very reasonable and OK guy so he can't possible do this".

Then I check my wallet and reality hits me :D

Maybe I have Stockholm Syndrome.

he has no balls :P

Especially after we find him. I contacted Cape Town police and they were interested. I mentioned that there was a bounty involved :D

so u got him?

That is an awesome idea. I hope this gets somewhere.
Better move quickly now though, he might want to leave the country quickly.

OH that's awesome  :D
Let me know if I can be of help, I have friends in cape town who may be able to meet police in person etc if we give them some token part of the bounty.

It should be super easy to find a mercenary in Cape Town.  That's like the number one occupation there. 

Maybe one even accepts bitcoins?!?

They might all be busy repressing the Marxist rabble though.  The natives are restless ATM.   :P

It's too bad it has to come to this. If Clipse had told me that he can't pay all that is owed, but will make good on paying the regular 95% of another pool, I would have continued to work with him. That's how stunned I am about it all.

Hey guys I found clipse' IP while playing with my router.. I think it's 192.168.0.1 <--- :D


J/K

Sorry about the delay for this post but let me get the story straight on what happened.

I was away since my last post until the 15th of October and before I left I asked a friend to take care of the bitcoin payments while I am gone since I was waiting for the payment from client who were mined for to purchase the coins.

On the 7th Jonathen phoned me and told me that there is no LR payment yet and he cant buy coins to payout to miners, I told him that if its not in tomorrow he should tell me.

On the 8th of October I still didnt receive any payment for the last batch of mining that I planned to pay out to the miners but was reassured that it will be paid before the 15th of October and that it will be for September+October(I have had late payments before from clients so this wasnt new)

I got back on the 15th of October to the following situation:

- My dedicated server is down.
- Email hosted on the server is down.
- I log into my server host control panel and notice that my billing details have been wiped(still dont know why or who could have done this) and the server got cancelled for non-payment.
- Billing for server was due on the 14th of October.
- Ultimately server got wiped and all content of miners/bitcoind related stuff etc.
- I tried to find a backup of the wallet but the only 2 wallet backups that I have doesnt contain any of the transactions of the old wallet so all I can think is that I didnt have a valid backup for that main wallet.

I freaked out just getting back and then all this but atleast I knew I havnt bought coins yet so I logged into libertyreserve and still NO PAYMENT, at this time I didnt know wtf to do which is why I havnt responded here yet.

I tried to get hold of my client for days now with no response, he pretty much vanished.

This is where I am at right now, lost all my own bitcoins to btcst in september + miner coins and this time around trying to make things right with everyone I ended up not getting paid by client(Who I cant get hold of)

I first wanted to figure out whats going on before posting this since I didnt want to bring more bad news but there is simply nothing more I can do to rectify this, the only way to resolve this still is if btcst still end up paying coins back but thats likely a longshot. :(

I dont know what else to add here, I know some people are highly pissed off at me but ultimately if I could fix this I would but thats just not possible since I dont have the funds to make any of the payments.

Not getting paid and then also getting robbed for the last $$$ I had available put me in a huge hole aswell and since I got back I needed help from a friend since none of this was financially planned and fucked me over bigtime.

There was no intention of me to get in this situation, btcst situation was the only reason I took on the recovery client(I was desperate to make things right for everyone) who I dealt with for most of the year and then this client also fucks me over.

Now whatever people want to think of me is not something I can control, I really didnt want to end up in this situation but thats what happened and I cant change the current outcome.

I made a ton of good friends since joining this forum, alot of them were miners with bonuspool and this ordeal left a huge hole the way it turned out.

This is a really shit situation and ultimately a royal fuckup where the end result is leaving everyone (Including me) out of bitcoins.

All I can do at this point is apologise and sincerely hope people will understand and if possible(I will definitely try) reimburse everyone in the future, there is just no way for me to specify any potential date and disapoint people again.

Again, if pirate@40/btcst can grow a conscience and pay what they owe me through bitcoinmax then I can still 100% fix this situation even though thats not likely. :/

I will check in every other day to see if there is any update regarding BTCST payments. I wont login and respond to personal threats, after all this crap I dont have the energy to deal with death threats or other crazy threats and I will simply forward to the proper authorities.

I tried my best to get everyone to earn more from mining and it went well for the whole year however ultimately this all fell apart and threatening me with no positive outcome is counterproductive.

Lol.  Classic!  It's like it came out of a textbook.  Is there a template somewhere that people follow for this shit?

^This is not Clipse, maybe another member of Team Ponzi?

Indeed. Now people will even feel sorry for him and everything. Un-fucking-believable. What a coincidence...

i belive most ppl have ss of payment i do and a few others have already posted so there are some records of what is owed.http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/dmcurser/payout.png

Leaving us out of bitcoins? lol, you mean leaving you in jail? Don't drop the soap homie.

Remember this?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.0

That will be used against you in court.

Haha... What a load of horseshit.

Please post details of this client, please.

BTW, you logged into you forum account on Oct 9th. Was that the big bad server hacker, as well?

Bullshit.

Did you got my emails? The ones where I said that I'll leave this here if you pay me.

1) Where were you between October 9th and now? Why didn't you log in?

2) So you got hacked, who would have guessed! I assume you have some info on him/them (your clients that didn't pay)? You know Jonathan personally so you also know his full name/address etc? How about we team up and figure this out so that everyone is happy at the end of this.

3) I'm sure you've already done this but ask your service provider when the site was closed and what IP the hacker used. Just this normal stuff you know.

4) Considering that it's been a week I'm also sure that you have filed a police report because SOMEONE STOLE A LOT OF MONEY FROM YOU! I expect you to scan that police report and let us take a look.

Answer to those and complete all the steps, then I believe you and you will have my support. If you are feeling generous you can answer these too:

5) What's up with your own 50GH mining farm? Sold? Where's the money?

6) You logging in now doesn't have anything to do with the fact that we have your real name? So why now? Why leave us hanging? I assume you have been reading the forum on a daily basis.



  

Continue with all legal proceedings until he pays.

Weirdest post ever. Delay tactic at best.

Very good question. This rig was mentioned many times by Clipse and when it is not sold this rig can provide 15 btc income per day and near 500 btc per month according to current network difficulty.

Let's calculate how much he owed in total according to data in two topics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105866.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118353.0):

marke74.miner 325
uuidman 320
Inaba 231
MXRider 180
Math Man 173
Morblias 109
Danilo 100
dmcurser 80+
Azelphur 50
btcwalker 40
joyyen 35
ajstar 30
ddd1 28
zapeta 20
roomservice 19
juggalodarkclow 18
KBdigital 16
LoupGaroux 15
John (johnthedong) 12
psilan 5.5
gnpeer 5.5
Xfinity 5
--
Total: 1817 (calculations are done with no interest promises included)

Hope, I didn't miss someone. If it is not so, please correct my calculations.

It is possible to pay out all the money to people listed above in 3-4 months by using the rig power only. Unfortunately, I am sure there are much more people harmed from this scam.

These posts pretty much sums up the situation.

Good luck with your legal actions.


This is bitcoin. He didn't punch  you in the face and take your money.


I can't even get my local police to do anything about a cocksucker that ripped me off for four broken 7950's

Hmm did anyone notice how he lied in his own post that he posted. he said all bitcoin stuff and transactions are lost. so how if btcst or what ever pulls through will he be able to pay us back unless he does actually have details of everything he owes.

I'm owed approx. 20 BTC.

Real name released :)

Neil Roelofse is a scammer and ripped off a load of people!

Say his name, climb the google ranks :D. He'll never get a real job.
Clipse@hzo.co.za

Also I think it used to be double L. Neill Roelofse.

His family is all over facebook. He's already killed his FB account.

You have the wrong guy :D that dude is about 40 and Clipse is 27 and lives in Bellville Cape Town :D At least that's where all info points. I've contacted both guys though. One of them will answer at some point and ask "what the fuck is this".

What more do you have, you should post it all :). Definitely going through police still?

Neil Roelofse...

Also, the FB account Neill Roelofse has been destroyed and signed up to porno links. That him?

Also you should add some USD $ value to the 1800btc in the first post so it has some real world value for people that find it.

i also would like to know what has happened to your 50ghz farm you were mining with. plz let us know why you cant pay us back from that.
Or wait let me guess that magically burned up while you were on vaction as well right?

Is this the one that was hopping whilst clipse was absolutely not hopping with the hashrate of bonuspool?  ;)

Neill Roelofse. Alias. Name. 27 years. 10 May 1983. Age / Gender. Date of Birth. South Africa ... Sun, 3 Apr 2011 4:57 pm. Caucasian Persuasion. Last Online. Main Clan. Im ... [ Do Gaming League - Player Profile - Clipse - league.agasa.co.za  ]

Neill Roelofse. Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa. No information ... [ Steam Community :: ID :: Clipse - steamcommunity.com ]


Neill Roelofse. Alias. Name. 27 years. 10 May 1983. Age / Gender. Date of Birth. • South Africa ... Im not perfect...yet. Last Online. Gaming Style. Quake 2. Favourite Game ... [ do Gaming - User Profile - Clipse - gaming.do.co.za ]
http://gaming.do.co.za/profile/855/Clipse
Article:
Chatting With Clipse From cP
Neill 'Clipse' Roelofse from cP spent a moment of his time with Do Gaming to answer a few questions.
http://gaming.do.co.za/articles/localnews/counter-strike_source_clipse_cp.htm

http://www.dogamingleague.co.za/_player.php?p=855
MSN Messenger:   n00kie21@hotmail.com
Skype:   nroelofse

http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/russian_marriage_scams/f1534.shtml?p=225
http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/images/261072.jpg

https://www.aoaforums.com/forum/members/clipse.html?langid=1


MSN n00kie21@hotmail.com
ICQ 34809137
Home Page
    http://www.case-designs.za.net

http://businesstech.co.za/forum/member.php/2847-Clipse

http://www.youtube.com/user/nroelofse

http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/seller/450796/nroelofse  <--- Blacklisted LOL

https://www.bitcoinpool.com/index.php?page=1&ipp=All&do=earnings&id=nroelofse

http://flattr.com/profile/nroelofse/things

http://www.tnaflix.com/profile/nroelofse

https://www.bitcoinmarket.com/market/members/view/?market_memberID=2002

He actually logged in on one gaming forum yesterday. Steam Community name is already changed.

There is no doubt he has planned all he done. It seems that he is on the run, now.

He changed his steam account name from "Clipse" to "Das Hond" at August 28th and then changed it to "zxc1v3" at September 7th and make the account details private.

His real details before wiping:
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/542/clipsesteamhl.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/clipsesteamhl.png/)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/clipsesteamhl.png/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/clipsesteamhl.png/)
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/829/steamcommunityidclipse.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/steamcommunityidclipse.png/)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/steamcommunityidclipse.png/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/steamcommunityidclipse.png/)

Persona name history:
http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/39/clipsesteam2hl.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/clipsesteam2hl.png/)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/clipsesteam2hl.png/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/clipsesteam2hl.png/)

Let's get some photos up when we can :-)

^I can message those steam groups about helping us if there's a reward on offer?
Alternatively, do we know the address yet? Private investigators/loan recovery people in SA aren't that expensive to hire.

I don't have much btc to contribute yet, but will be happy to when my ASICs arrive.

This guy set out to screw us BEFORE pirate went down. Lets mess him up. If we can't hit him in the pocket, hit him somewhere else.

Let's hire some people which make Clipse life to hell.

His life is hell already. At least judging by what I read when Pirate took off with his money...

We should let him find the real bottom.

There was more coins in my account then anyone, but there is little to be done about it.

  I lost 12 coins, though probably gained about that many from all the extra percents paid over the time i was there

I also lost some coins, i try to figure out how to lay a criminal complaint against the guy who took our coins.

We should release a kind of a Howto. Than everybody is able to send a criminal complaint to the Cape Town police.

Nothing will be done.. It's all talk..  You should really think twice about investing any coins with any members around here.

I sir lost 1 bitcoin with Clipse.. Due to me being paid out every week.

Right and unless you have his full identity address phone number.. That wont get you very far.  have enough worldwide internet people calling complaining about Bitcoin you'll end up just pissing them off.


Still trying to get Local police to help me with a Local problem..... Cops are useless unless it's an easy bust.....

Thanks for the input guys. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=neill+roelofse

I'm really busy rest of the week so the next step will have to wait.

I also got a really cool idea from another thread. Let's make a website NeillRoelofse.com or maybe even .co.za and put this all there.

*waiting for Clipse to register those domains before I can

Also waiting for clispe to let us know what has happened to his 50 ghz farm. just with that power alone he could start paying back everyone.

He sold it a while ago....... I'll bet dude has more problems on his plate than bitcoins...

How do you know he sold it? Selling a 50gh farm won't go unnoticed.

He told me....


What do you mean 50ghash would go unnoticed?


you're telling me that you keep tabs on all members and the gear they sell?


You guys invested your coins with pirate through Clipse.  i sir made sure I was paid out weekly.. If not I was gone.

Not to sound like a dick but what proof do.you have to say he sold it. He never one
ce in all the post hes made say anything of getting rid of it. Also why would he just tell you tbat he sold it you guys buddy buddy.

We talked on IRC once and a while...  He's was always cool with me and I don't think he lied to me about why he sold his farm.


Shit went downhill after the pirate situation, for everyone..

He was cool with pretty much everyone. I requested a payout and Clipse waited and waited, then pirate happened.

My point:
[ ] Clipse had 50gh mining farm

Reading that made my brain hurt. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're posting from a cellphone, but wow.

LoL....

Yes i am posting from a phone. Sorry about that i do need to slow down and make sure the auto correct catches everything lol.

Post the whole story abud. Otherwise it sounds like you are just spinning shit.

I would prefer not to.... I said what I have to say... What reason do I have to lie?


Believe what you want.. I will do the same...

I don't know. What reason would you have to hide anything like that?

I am not hiding anything. He told me he sold it...

Ok cool. Just sounded like you had more. Thanks anyway.
Do you remember when approximately it was that he said that?

last time I got paid from him... I can double check. Probably somewhere around Aug 15th maybe?

just bumping this thread maybe clispe has figured a way to slowly pay us back or something lol we can be hopeful right lol.

 no, not yet. Not enough fire under his feet. 

so im guessing nothing ever came fo this thread. even tho he seemed to be decent i belive that not logfging in since his last post meant he was here to scam us all along.

He planned it all too well. I've changed tens of emails with South African police and there isn't much to do because we are talking about bitcoin. They don't understand it so it's very hard to prove what happened (basically a default)

I think the best part was/is the fact that theymos didn't release any helpful info. I had to google everything by myself. So it's ok to use this forum for defrauding people.

Well, it was only one month's mining profit.

There's a lesson or two in there somewhere.

What else information do you need from theymos? I suppose only the IP/dates were available anyway - he'll release that if you request it from him.

 Perhaps we should bounty a reward for successful Prosecution ?

+1

Current MTGOX price is ~ 27$ per BTC so...

1817 BTC = 49059$

so much money is gone  :-\

You can tack about 8k dollars on there for me. Puts the total at about 63.5k with the current 30 dollars price. I would really like to get my hands on that pond scum. Hopefully he ends up a quadriplegic and that money is used to keep his ass alive for the next 70 years.

Clipse was probably stupid enough to invest them in to Pirate's ponzi scheme. We just had to cover his losses.

Are there any updates, I haven't really followed this in a long time, Kind of accepted the loss.
Also I think Bonuspool/NEIL ROELOFSE was running a ponzi scheme from the beginning.

Not really. Police can't do shit because bitcoin and we don't have any solid proof that Neill Roelofse = Clipse. Just some forum posts and very good guessing.

He made a LinkedIn account. I contacted him and the account was deleted :D I hope everyone would google his name every once in a while and let him know we are still looking for him.

Neill Roelofse
10 May 1983
Cape Town

http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/images/261072.jpg

But no, not any real updates. Thanks for the bump tough.

Debt calculations update :)

8k dollars from Beans on 30 USD per BTC is near 266 BTC

marke74.miner 325
uuidman 320
Beans 266
Inaba 231
MXRider 180
Math Man 173
Morblias 109
Danilo 100
dmcurser 80+
Azelphur 50
btcwalker 40
joyyen 35
ajstar 30
ddd1 28
zapeta 20
roomservice 19
juggalodarkclow 18
KBdigital 16
LoupGaroux 15
John (johnthedong) 12
psilan 5.5
gnpeer 5.5
Xfinity 5
--
Total: 2083 BTC

Current MTGOX price is $145 per BTC, so the total debt is 2083 * 145 = $302035

Here we are :) near $300k

 >:(

This is giving crypto-coins a bad rap.  Boy I'd love to use bounty's for what they were actually intended for to come after these guys.

"It'd be worth him keying my car, if I could've been there to catch him doing it..." -Pulp Fiction

MercCoin anyone?

3 years on and these are my last words on this matter.

Everyone who wanted my life to turn to dust definitely succeeded.

When I ran bonuspool for well over a year, I always offered the highest possible payouts and always paid on time and everyone were happy.

Everything went right even at times I kept paying more than 100% out of my own pocket to keep users happy.

This all slowly led to me making the biggest mistake imaginable, trusting bitcoinmax and only for a week.

This one decision among all decisions led to my internet and social life meltdown where those who made death threats against me should have acted on it because it would have been a way more humane way for me to get off this planet.

When I started bonuspool I wanted to help users earn a bit more and as I stated before if I ever had any intention to scam anyone I would not have used all my real public information which in turn let to my social destruction.

Numerous times I requested from bitcoinmax to provide me with my balance to have as much proof as possible to show users I did not run off with anyones coins nor profited but bitcoinmax simply disconnected their website and all communication the same day, that I lost all of my own coins except the +/- 100BTC buffer of coins I always kept aside at the time I ended up paying out to last few payout requests that was pending before pirate@40 ran with everyones coins.

Due to my own ambition and partial stupidity I ended up trusting something I would never in a 1000 different lifetimes have done and the result was a complete killswitch on my life, the people I enjoyed collaborate with and future people I intended to have friendships with.

bitcoinmax and pirate@40 activated the killswitch on my life but ultimately I pressed the button when I chose to trust it and that is something I cannot take back and it is still haunting me to this day and forever will.

if I could repay everyone I would have, but I noticed that a year of relationship with users and being seen as a honest person turns to zero within a few seconds when something goes horribly wrong.

To this day I hope that the funds stolen from all of us by pirate@40 and bitcoinmax, which in turn got solely blamed on me by my bonuspool users did not ruin anyone elses life as much as it did mine. That no one feels the way I feel today due to loss of friends,social status and my own financial loss due to this whole painful disaster.

I know this is too little to late for many of you, I explained it to the few who calmly contacted me back when it all went to shit but ultimately I simply had no way to communicate on the forum after a few users harrassed,threatened and ultimately made horrendous death threats and hire to kill darkweb requests against me and my family. At this point I was still in complete shock over pirate@40 theft of coins and all these extra pressure made me switch off entirely and drove me into deep depression.

I dont expect any pity from anyone. Everyone got hurt in this and believe it or not I got hurt and damaged by far more than mere financial loss.

All I ask is to try and understand what happened and look back at how we communicated before things went south and find it somehow possible to see things from my perspective as explain above and understand just how much this cost me, then, now and in the future.

I typed this from the heart, you guys can make of it what you want and I am sure there is alot of spelling errors.

I am really fucking sorry how this ended and tried my best to find a solution to make some sort of repayments but google indexing which you guys succesfull maintained kept me from any decent job with zero solution for repayment or own income to survive.

Amazing. You came back to apologise, but ended up blaming the people you stole money from.
I hope this comes back to haunt you for the rest of your life. Unless of course you pay for your crimes.

You never explained anything. You just asked for more time while you deleted as much of your online social profile as you could.

You stole the money. Get that through your head.

Don't believe every apoligeze watch it..

I will forgive you once you pay me back my ~109.49001885 BTC that you stole from me.

https://i.imgur.com/zGVdT.jpg