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I think at this point it's fair to say that everyone on Bitcoin Talk is aware that Monero is the successor to Bitcoin proper.  Calling it an altcoin is inaccurate and a clumsy, archaic protocol.  
  
(If you honestly don't realize what's about to happen with Monero, it's probably time to educate yourself)
  
Point is, the Monero community is passionate, legitimate, and honestly excited about the crypto currency that will soon revolutionize the world, and our fervor is starting to overshadow the altcoins we are forced to post around.  
  
I think that everyone here can agree that Monero is not an altcoin, and as such should not be forced to continue annoying the altcoin board.  
  
The time has come for Monero to get its own heading on Bitcointalk, along with appropriate sections and child boards.  
  
This way, the altcoins won't be annoyed at our presence (which will only increase in the coming months and years).  Just think, what if bitcoin discussion was forced to occur on precious metals websites?  That simply wouldn't work.  
  
Monero needs it's own board on Bitcointalk.  
  
I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.  

This is hilarious. Monero (or any other altcoin for that matter) is nothing but a tiny dust compared to the massive machine that is Bitcoin.
Let's see the 24h volumes:

Monero - 148 BTC
Bitcoin - 56,065 BTC

Man, im envisioning a bot that stays logged into btt at all times and works with other forum bots that act in a similar manner. This said bot army acts as the go between the monero forum, or nxt forum or doge or whatever and btt.

Ie: you post on btt the bot army either updates a monero forum thread or starts a new thread with your post.

And or vice versa.

Sure, why not? You guys might want to gather and go together to change your names too. From John Smith to John Monero for example or Kevin Jones to Kevin Monero - the Monero global family.
But it doesn't sounds right imo. It has to be entire Amish-like community - Monero community. You can then pick up 4 or 5 countries and claim part of their territory.

Amish dont use technology, it'd have to be a Mennonite..

I mean Moneronite

I know, but that will be changed soon.

This is the silliest thing I've ever read.

Because you can AND DO have your own forums for Monero.

actually i mispoke, Amish can use modern technology, phones, computers, etc. They just can't own them.

So they get around a phone number by using the local store as a number. The store is prob ran by a mennonite.

 
  
And bitcoin is tiny dust compared to gold, or Mastercard.  
  
So it's good to know you agree with me and support this petition.

 
 
That's not very fair. 
 
Bitcoin is truly innovative and a great leap forward in finance.  It's simply not right to have such distaste and hatred for bitcoin just because of how passionate its user base is. 
 
Ignore the users.  Look at the technology : it's clearly better than what we were doing before.

No, I do not support it. Go to monerotalk.

 
  
Oh wow, sorry that happened.  
  
I guess it just sounded so much like the arguments that early bitcoin-haters were spouting, that when I tried to quote you, bitcointalk got confused.  
  
Apologies for the error.

Monero, doesn't need it's own forum. Many people don't even accept it as a form of payment.

Your error is comparing monero to bitcoin.

You sir, have no sense of decency.

Yeah Pegasus, what are you doing confusing a clear blockchain with transaction issues with an opaque blockchain with no transaction limitations?

GTFO already.

Hahaha. What a failthread.

Actually, I've been promoting this for > one year...
Then we can actually go back to discussing Alts...
As opposed to dodging Monero spam from Monero Truthers.

Please, please, please yes... banish these CockSuckers to their own Sub-Hell.

I was thinking more what is he doing changing my quoted text to make it look like I said something that I did not. That is the monero way. Lies, bullshit, rinse, repeat ad nauseum, forever and ever.

Correct.  A working wallet is a prerequisite to being a Bitcoin alternative.

Did you consider as a next move, taking over Nasa so it would be possible to launch Monero core-team into space?  

From there they could preach the "good word" down to us lowly minions with their moral authority and intellectual superiority accentuated via the great altitude.  

Potentially you could fit lasers and simply vaparize the Monero non-believers from orbit.  Then when sites like BCT or CoinMarketCap don't list all the Monero competitors "as scams" or stand in the way of you having your own section of the forum, you just start zapping a few of them and pretty soon everyone will learn to love Monero as we do here on BCT.

I vote yes.

Monero - Trolling you from Space™

Yay, 3 whole real people legitimately hate Monero, and anyone having anything to do with it.

And for the first time in a year, all three have posted in a row for me to take a screenshot of.

I'm going to save this one, and post it same time next year, k?

18 May 2015 21:56 > 18 May 2016 21:56 ish.

Please welcome the XCcoin/Darkcoin/Dash trolls are here

Can the three Monaro supporters have their own board. Lol wanker

I think you are trolling yourselves with threads like this.  :D  :D

this is priceless too:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1062247.0;all

The alt section is getting very funny to read lately

:D :D

Why not create MoneroTalk and all of you guys go there..?

https://i.imgur.com/nf0VOmk.gif

P.S. I'm not against Monero or anything, but sometimes I am laughing with tears on their "arguments".

What about using the official forums instead of spamming BTCtalk then?
There is no reason for this.

What about Dash? Doge? Litecoin? Ripple? or any other big coin that is around?

This is a useless thread to be honest.

Did you even read what he said?

He said Monero is not an alt, its a complement to Bitcoin. Its the only coin not based on Bitcoin code offering a different and valuable utility which Bitcoin fails to do. A transparent blockchain complementing an opaque blockchain. All this with brutally honest POW distribution. Thats why it should have its own section.


Are you kidding me? These shitcoins cannot be compared to the technological supremacy and honesty of Monero team

Here is a post from the admin of this forum of what he thinks of alts and Monero

Alts and Monero

I was expecting something else from a guy named "pecunia non olet".
You know that some bitcoins do smell, don't you?
f.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/)

Monero is a good coin, there's no arguement about that

However the forums name is bitcointalk, there's a forum called monerotalk

not even litecoin has its own board here, why would any other coin

Litecoin offers nothing of value, it is a shitcoin

Are you sure about that?

Is Americanpegasus a real Monero fan or is he doing a parody of a Monero fan?

I think he's like a "power of belief" pumper they just brought in to try to rescue the price.  Probably one of the Poloniex whales sold him xmr at discount and his job is to PUUUUMP!!!!  

Kind of thing you get on your average 2-bit off-the-shelf sh*tcoin with zero development on C-Cex / Poloniex troll-box when people start to realize the whole thing is a marketing hoax.

yeah right, the first fully decentralized totally anonymous cryptonote-coin without a scammy (for the inevitable dash-fanboys: intended or not) premine is a marketing hoax...

2 options:

• you're a liar
• you're ignorant

Pick for yourself what suits you most...

Best regards

Monero will never live up to the expectations that Bitcoin had. Simple as that. It's just another useless Altcoin that the developers created to line THEIR pockets.

zomg I get to quote myself again (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr?context=3), this is turning out to be my Kanye week!

I can replace "Monero" everywhere in your post with my choice of an alt-coin and I can have the argument as yours.

So we should have a separate heading for each and every alt-coin in existence.

Crosspost for newbie Trollero™ shill account holder:

Now you're making a real fool of yourself, but what else you gonna do when you have absolutely no real arguments at all...

I've been here on this forum about a year and a half longer than you... thus I suppose I've been into crypto's about a year and a half longer than you...
I was here before monero even existed...

I do have a good track record when it comes to early recognizing 'things' with intrinsic value... seems that you were late  (about two years late) at the btc-party in the past, and you might be late again at some future party...

again, good luck,  you're obviously gonna need it...

Like I said already, you evaded all my points (in fact you just cut them from my post), so I take it you do not disagree with them.  Thanks.

And yeh you are a newbie account - that' why it says 'newbie' under your name...and we know you are a Trollero shill because you are an "instamine scam!!!" troll (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.msg11319576#msg11319576) on the Dash thread lol :)  

The butthurt is so much for Dash scammers, they are tweeting about it - https://twitter.com/CryptoArmada/status/592813764552036353

Very sure

so quz I don't come here every day talking shit and posting nonsense like you to get my postings up I'm a newbie trollero shill... get a life dude, bye

Litecoin reached more than $400M market cap at its peak and you are saying that it offers nothing?
Nothing wrong to cheering your beloved coin, but probably that is why many people don't like Monero or Dash.
You guys are all about "we are the best" and you don't take other opinions.
There should be mutual respect in cryptocurrencies, but you are forgetting about that.

oh boy here we go again. Pegasus, what're you doin rufflin the bitcoiners feathers?

in reference to someone going "this is the bitcointalk" forum..

I think bitcoin will experience the same de-branding that other technologies experience. I have already read an article, somewhere, that said "the software installed a bitcoin miner, specifically litecoin, blah blah blah". It was that incidence where a bittorrent client was installing a litecoin miner.

In the states, it happened to kleenex, xerox, velcro, ... im sure you can think of some from your country.

just something to consider.

and yeah, we do have our own board.

https://forum.getmonero.org/

enjoy it in all of its reinvent the wheel glory :)

Its better if you answer why should we use it instead of Bitcoin?

IMHO, Monero is not that special to give it an own sub forum. If we do that every coin, which is considering itself as special, will request its own sub forum. Then BTT will explode.

Monero is just another Altcoin that claims to be the best, but really has no use making it useless. And they have the guts to attack Litecoin and state that Litecoin's useless...  ;D

 
  
You guys are fundamentally fucktarded, and I debated even responding to this.  
  
First of all, that is a really good idea, and I wish I had thought of it.   I'm obviously more enthusiastic than I am clever, so no: my Monero was bought off the open market on Poloniex, and if it ever becomes a point of contention, I can post the trade records and Poloniex admins can corroborate.  
  
My entry price was from 2000 satoshis to 2400 satoshis, with an average price of 2200, or about 52 cents USD.     
  
I am what you would consider a "large holder", intend to become larger, and am incredibly passionate about the things I believe in, and am an outstanding writer as well..  
  
This might upset you.  Oh well.  It's true.  I try to only use my powers for good, especially considering I could apply them to pumping shitcoins and probably make a tidy profit.  
  
If you don't see the incredible opportunity before you of owning a significant portion of the likely successor/sibling of bitcoin...  You are a blind fool.  
  
I'm americanpegasus and I approved this message.  
  
//Cryotographically signed and shit//  
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Nobody cares about how much of an Altcoin you hold. I call people like you "greedy". Seeing that all you boast about is "being a large holder", you should leave the crypto world. Monero is NOT the greatest thing that ever happened to the crypto world, it offers the same "advantages" as any "shitty Altcoin" would.

You can't call people f*cktarded just because they don't have your visions.
I can only say that no matter what outstanding writer you are, it seems that your math is not that good.
You see... $0.52 is like ~220k satoshi, not 2200. I can point to some other post, where you claimed that you joined Monero when hashrate was 13 MH.
Now, let me explain something very simple to you. Cryptocurrencies are not only money, but technology as well.
At the moment you are "investing" in something which you clearly don't understand.

Litecoin's about as fungible and anonymous as Bitcoin, so yeah i'd chose the Original between those two, but seeing how I want privacy and fungability in a coin, I'll chose Monero. Good luck getting to "25% of Bitcoin's price" (based on no difference worth noting) said everyone who was buying and holding LTC in November and December and January and February and March....

It's not that LTC wasn't different than Bitcoin, it's that it wasn't different enough.

  
I'm glad you agree with the advantages that Monero offers and agree that it is no alt-coin.  
  
It's good to see someone else acknowledge that Monero is clearly something special and deserves it's on board here on Bitcointalk.

And spartek, I understand enough to know that it's the next thing.  I don't need to understand the intricate details of TCP/IP to know in 1995 the world Wide Web is the future, not UseNet.

Monero's dev to do list this year ~ FluffyPony, GingerAle and Smooth

1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.
6. Hope their investors don't do what OTOH did and moving on with DASH.

Theymos wont allow it.

Monero is not fungible. It's *invisible*.

Fungible means that units of the currency are capable of mutual substitution. To assert fungibility you need a transparent blockchain because that allows public consensus to verify that what you've parked at your address is the same commodity as is parked at all other legitimate addresses on the network and is therefore capable of said "mutual substitution".

What inhibits Bitcoin's fungibility is not the fact that the blockchain is transparent, it's the fact that detectable patterns can build up over time which allows certain parts of the money supply to be identified distinctly from others. The answer to this problem isn't to bury the whole blockchain and make it invisible - because then you don't have money any more - it is to mitigate the formation of sustainably traceable patterns of monetary movement.

Fungibility is also closely related to monetary confidence because most people require to know that what turned up in their wallet originated in a genuine address and that there is public consensus of that fact. Thats done by watching said 'genuine originating address' balance (that you valued) reduce and your address balance increase by an equivalent amount. You now have confidence that what your wallet contains did in fact originate on the real network because you saw it move from that real network into a new address that you control and so did everybody else. Nor is there any implication for anonymity here - the network remains anonymous as long as *real* fungibility is maintained to a satisfactory level.

In Monero, transactions originate from f*ck knows where and disappear into f*ck knows where using a wallet developed by f*ck knows who because 3rd party wallets are apparently "fine" in this type of environment. Hello ?  :o

It's a nice cryptographic bookkeeping system but it isn't money.


No. Monero IS financial censorship (see discussion above).


IMO, Monero hasn't a snowball's hope in hell of gaining significant adoption, never mind getting anywhere near Bitcoin's marketcap.

For all the ranting that goes on from XMR bagholders about "math", it's had the one thing that gives money its value - public consensus - comprehensively designed out of it and thereby been left monetarily impotent.

As for "anonymous and private", so is anything that's invisible. (Think tooth fairy).

dude, we've been through this.

You don't need a transparent blockchain. Public consensus is not what provides the fungibility. The algorithm provides the fungibility. Cryptocurrencies is all about faith in the algorithm, not the people. Thats. The. Whole. Point.

And its fine. its all fine. it doesn't matter. None of this matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mVwa6t_Apo

lets not stoke this fire again. We've all agreed to disagree on this and we'll all ride our ships out to sea and hopefully we'll all make it and hopefully we'll all lend a hand if the chop gets rough.

With my newfound Dev Powers I hearby decree that this conversation is OVER!

You're not the smartest out of the bunch are you. Making up terms such as "invisible" money is plain trollish. Please, for the sake of all that is good, go read up on what fungibility actually is. If you did, then you'd know that having a blockchain like Monero's that is obscured or opaque would fit the bill perfectly, rather than a blockchain that is transparent.

Bitcoin's fungibility is low because of it's transparent blockchain, if it's blockchain wasn't transparent, then "finding sustainable traceable patterns of monetary movement" would be impossible, not the other way around.

I used to think you knew what you were saying after looking at your price forecasting posts. But after reading your posts over recently concerning other things, such as this, you're entirely clueless. It's best you leave this talk to others, quite embarrassing...and disappointing.

Good luck in selling that idea to the general public.

You can't have faith in an algo if you can't verify its actions.

Again, embarrassing. Go learn cryptography.

You can verify everything you DASHTARD. I can even prove i send amount XY to account ZZ.
That is called cryptography, also u can count every fucking monero coin created in every fucking coinbase transaction.

If you don´t believe in nor understand the tiniest bits of cryptography GET THE FUCK OUT OF CRYPTOCURRENCIES.

It isn't me you need to sell this idea. It's the universe of potential adopters.

They are not interested in cryptography and have no intentions of "learning" it. Thats why - in the absence of a trusted third party - you need public consensus to assert the veracity of any monetary medium.

You lost all respect when you tried to show bitmonerod as the monero wallet and claim it didn't worked, you are clearly retarded, no, you are malicious like your kind and you are naked, your attacks on Monero reflects back at you.

ok, lets just define "verify" for posterity here.

"Verify" to me means that for a given transaction:

[1] - the originating address is publicly verifiable
[2] - the destination address is publicly verifiable
[3] - the transaction record is publicly verifiable
[4] - the debit balance movement on the originating address squares with the credit balance movement on the receiving address (or vica versa) and that both movements square with the publicly documented transaction amount

...and all that, not just for someone that I happen to give a "viewkey" to. For the whole damn universe to verify is they so see fit.

Thats exactly right, I don't want you or the entire universe verifying my transactions

None of that + you are an embarassing idiot.

Obviously Dashtards want that their whole transactions are publicly visible to just sell it better to investors, oh surprise.

If i pay someone in cash, does the whole fucking universe see it? I guess not...

I can proof i made a payment in front of court/taxman/whatever, and thats it. And there are different ways to do that, not just the viewkey.

Anyway, i explained that 10000 time to you, but you are too retarded, dumb or ignorant.

Look, you're quite honestly...clueless on the concept of fungibility. It looks as when you describe "opaque" blockchains like Monero's, you think of a brick wall or a black hole. In case you didn't know, that's not what it is. By Opaque, it means that transactions done between sender and receiver are unable to be connected to each other. So the money can be seen, but the beginning and end destinations cannot i.e, you can see just money, nothing else but money moving back and forth.


This is what you said:
"What inhibits Bitcoin's fungibility is not the fact that the blockchain is transparent, it's the fact that detectable patterns can build up over time which allows certain parts of the money supply to be identified distinctly from others. The answer to this problem isn't to bury the whole blockchain and make it invisible - because then you don't have money any more - it is to mitigate the formation of sustainably traceable patterns of monetary movement."

--- Monero does exactly that. With Monero there is no "sustainable traceable patterns of monetary movement". With Monero the only thing that's visible, is the money supply, and the things that are invisible is... well everything else.

You've basically explained that Monero fits your definition and view of fungibility perfectly. Do you see that now? Absolutely clueless, and very, very disappointing on your part.

edit-

he is one of the most despicable trolls in this forum he mask himself as retarded clueless because he like being called one, dashtards like to eat shit.

They're not "your" transactions, they belong to the network which is why they have any value at all.

"You" have a private key to control certain addresses on that network - addresses which are anonymous and which do not compromise your privacy as long as a reasonable level of fungibility and untraceability is maintained (as described above).

It's the publicly documented veracity of the network that gives your private key its value. The reason I've pressed this point is because I don't agree with Monero followers constantly spamming every available opportunity with the idea that "cryptography" in the public blockchain is the god given solution to fungibility simply by making the blockchain invisible. That may have some meaning from a cryptographic network perspective but is just totally misleading propaganda from a monetary point of view. It's not hiding anything from the "NSA", it's denying accountability to the network users - the very people who's interests it purports to support.

Man, my dev powers are relatively weak.

I dont own you or users of the network any accountability, what NSA does is illegal and unethical, of course nothing of that bothers you because what bothers you is that Monero is a better digital cash than the scam you want people to buy, we don't like to eat shit, sorry.

Well that little flurry pulled you all out of the woodwork pretty fast.

I knew you were there hovering  ;)

kazuki, GingerAle, celestio, othe. Only a couple missing - Harrison Ford'll get a word in just shortly.

Just as well I've got the chicken-wire up in front of my screen to dodge the projectiles flying out of it.

Anyway, just thought I'd say hi and nice to see you all.

Have a nice evening !

How can I self moderate my own topic?  This is ridiculous.  
  
Dashtards GTFO, your Genesis block awarded a shit load of coins to whoever was there, essentially making it a premine.  In this business, consistency from Genesis to present is crucial, and your coin failed seconds after it's creation.  
  
It would be like if there were an alternate universe, and in its big bang, the laws of physics came together in such a way that the only way for any life to communicate would be to shit out of its mouth, and somehow that universe  is trying to tell this one that we are the inferior existence.  
  
There simply is no better crypto in the world than Monero.

And guess what?  The flashy GUI is coming. Greatness takes time to mature, and the devs are committed so I'm not worried.  
  
The most honest, technically superior coin, and you want to talk shit?  
  
You're like the little Chrysler 300 driving suckers trying to talk shit to ol boy over in his Phantom, with his Rolex, Armani suit, dead ass serious attitude, and three blondes flanking him.  
  
You're just a bunch of hatin ass wangsters, and deep down you know your coin's success is time limited, and no slick rebranding can change that.  
  
Step the fuck off, troll.  
  
This is Monero, and math isn't an opinion.

I am pretty sure that's why Monero doesn't have any developments did you or Fluffy or Smooth did something beside copying? can you list the things you did "nvm this" can you list what's in ur agenda?> LOOOL

GingerAle isn´t a Developer, you just made him one, showing how retarded you dashtards are.


Yes the things are listed regularly in the missives, or just come to berlin or paris this week to the meetups, for a beer i might explain it in person.
OpenAlias is already used in Bitcoinwallets too, like Electrum.

Paris meetup is in the Mozilla offices with some Mozilla dudes (https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/277/monero-meetup-paris-france-may-21th-2015)
Berlin meetup at Werkstatt Berlin (https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/237/monero-meetup-berlin-germany-may-24th-2015)

 
 
Wish I could make it.  Please make sure to get the word out if there's ever something in San Francisco or Sacramento.  He'll, I'd even be willing to drive to Vegas.

With all the new 1 post accounts cheering Monero really no one really cares about names anyway now days..let's say monero dev ' s which I don't know how they look like. No development what so ever, they copied byte and they proud of it "if it's there why not just take it?" Seems like a lazy team OR devs with no skills. Call me what you want ur dev can't even show us what's in their agenda bcuz they don't know what to do...Evan got instant transaction and I know how he looms like that's good enough for me to invest...Satoshi got this amazing idea out for us good enough for me to invest ....now what did u bring to the table to compare ur self to Bitcoin ?

Hey retard, as you are either too retarded, too dashtarded or too ignorant like most dashtards, read the fucking missives or shut up.

PS: About what 0 post accounts are you even talking? All people here are registered since months on this board.
PS2: Theres even a fucking Roadmap on our website, you are just too dashtarded to click on a button on a website.

I'm going to try to explain this like you're five. I don't don't if it will work. You might not be quite at that mental level yet.

Show the bitcoin blockchain to the Average Joe, and he doesn't see a damn thing, just a bunch of letters and numbers. Better yet, show the actual bytes, not how it is interpreted on a block explorer. Understanding, interpreting, and verifying that blockchain requires an understanding of the protocol, and being able to do things like verify secp256k1 signatures and sha256 hashes (two bits of complex cryptographic math) in order to tell that the blocks are valid, the transactions are valid, and the outputs (coins) you receive are legitimate.

Monero is exactly the same damn thing. If you understand the protocol, and how to verify CryptoNight hashes and CryptoNote ring signatures (two more bits of complex cryptographic math) you can tell the blocks are valid, the transactions are valid, and the outputs (coins) you receive are legitimate.

It is a different protocol, with different cryptographic math, but from the point of view of verifying the chain, exactly the same.

You also don't know what fungibility even means as a definition. It means interchangeable. If the coins are all mathematically verifiable (and they are), and can't be attached to some unique and distinctive history (which the can't), then it is fungible. Whatever other gibberish you want to throw around in an ongoing months- (years- ?) long display of your own ignorance does not mean fungible, if it means anything at all.

Smooth I think it's quite disgraceful that you as a core-dev are here on a thread asking for your own special forum section on BCT, and are then replying to people who disagree with you insulting their mental level and saying it's that of a five year old, that really shows you aren't capable of defending your position or behaving with any kind of decorum that we would expect from a core-dev of a coin that BCT needs to create a separate section for.

Opaque blockchain with everything hidden sounds pretty dumb to a lot of people and just insulting them doesn't make your argument correct.  

For a start you have no idea what the distribution is (unless of course you are Busoni at Poloniex or FluffyPony with MyMonero.com) or how funds are being moved around.....and given you have whales on Poloniex throwing around chunks of 50k XMR like they are candy I think actually you might have a problem in this area, and in fact doesn't opaque blockchain attract people who want to take of advantage of hidden distribution for manipulation purposes?

Second if there is any backdooring in the cryptography or more likely implementation of same that is found, then the whole thing falls apart (which I am guessing if there was, you wouldn't find it, because Bytecoin/Cryptonote developed the cryptography, not you, and you didn't have the competence to find the scam miner code you launched according to yourself).  

Third, anonymity in Monero has the caveat that it can be reversed at any time in the future with a viewkey (instant deanonimization.......).  So if the police seize your PC and order you to hand over your viewkey which in most countries you have to, or extortionists / border agents / tax officials or whoever, voila they can deanonimize that account.  Unlike mixing techs which create ambiguity that's irreversible so you can't just deanonimize someone with a key - that 'feature' in a coin claiming to be 'untraceable' like Monero seems like a pretty dumb idea to me....

I'm not asking for a forum section, I think that's a pretty silly idea.

I responded on a technical matter of how blockchains work and what the word fungibility means. Maybe toknormal can learn something and stop embarrassing himself. Because I'm trying to be friendly to him is all. Monero Cares.

Also, view key doesn't reverse mixing, only stealth, giving a list of one time addresses. It is the same as seizing your wallet.dat or Electrum (HD) wallet seed (although these might also allow spending your unspent coins, a view key alone never would).

Is Americanpegasus pretending to be a Monero fan so he can be obnoxious and turn people off Monero.
That's my theory.  ;)

even if this was true, as if anyone speaks for Monero (a decentralized currency) :D

 
  
Your theory is shit.  I have a demonstrably large stake in the success of Monero.  
  
Also, the other troll did give me an idea.  TrueCrypt has plausible deniability built in.  I have no idea how it could mathematically work, but it would be amazing to have a crypto with this same plausible deniability built into a viewkey.  
  
For example, one private address has a certain amount of Monero in it, a public amount and a private amount.  The method to input the viewkey is the same, and reveals any Monero at that address, but only the Monero that corresponds to the viewkey presented.  
  
I know what I'm theorizing would likely be unbelievably difficult/impossible with cryptography but it's an interesting thought experiment.

Nah

Just a bunch of people who like Monero and dgaf what people think here.

Guess people will have to just deal w/ it, this one's not like moneroman88 whom I'm sure we've all sorely missed.

Things were different then, than they are now, because Monero Cares.

Also, that unknown distribution argument - nah. Just another lie you tell yourself.

You don't know the distribution of any cryptocurrency, or any currency, properly enough to the level you want Monero to represent. Save to say for something like Dash, where we know at least one person is in control of over 8.7% of it. Nice to just hand over that kind of information so freely, given its (comedic) value. Usually to get such an idea in fiat, earnings and cash values have to be regulated by government or are shared publicly, or just compiled from estimates really. Much like what can be done with any cryptocurrency really. I mean, if you decide to present the IRS with falsified info, that's on you and them really, but I sure dgaf. Weird that you dartards can't get that through your brain emulsified pudding.

Sorry you can't rub off shortcomings of everything on Monero.

It's okay though, I'm sure you'll enjoy using it in ten years.

I'll even name a couple of account files after you, so when you're ready to buy up I'll be there for yas.

Just point out what you did here - First you reply to Tok and cut out his argument and reply saying he has the mental age of a 5 year old...

Then when I reply you cut out my text, avoid all my points and chop the first sentence in half to totally change it's meaning, and say Tok can learn something and stop embarrassing himself?

And you just leave your own text intact and carry on insulting people lol...

You ignored / redacted all my points apart from viewkeys so - you are marketing them as enabling compliance with financial authorities, then when I point out the potential backdoor from extortion / seizure you're saying they aren't any use to authorities that demand you hand them over - makes no sense at all - if it's good enough to satisfy tax official's compliance, it's good enough to *not* have as an open feature that said officials can *force* any Monero holder to hand over - end of story.  (and unfortunately I think viewkeys is the only innovation Monero added to Cryptonote in the last year right?)  

About funigibility etc... I take Tok's point to be that in the real world 'invisible blockchains' are going to have a problem including convincing people that the units are fungible - From experience I agree with that sentiment, a lot of people won't trust some Bitcoin geeks who show up and tell them 'yeh you should switch to this currency, you can't see anything, but it's all secure / fungible thanks to our code', they will want to see it to believe it.  That might not fit into your equations but that's how the real world works as you obviously don't know that yet....and all the cryptography in Monero was copy/pasted from Bytecoin anyway and you missed the scam miner / only did 8 commits in 1 year so on what basis are you an authority on any of this?

all altcoins are just scam for now, included monero. there is no real use for monero. the mainstream coins are bitcoin, litecoin and dogecoin. these three coins creating their own voice/news outside of bitcointalk and working hard for cryptocurrency as whole. chance we all have heards about bitcoin, litecoin, dogecoin on news, social media and other sources. monero investors are just scammers within bitcointalk community and it don't even deserve this thread.

If they were scammers wouldn't there have been a premine? Or a secret launch with a large early distribution?

monero are scammers because it have no tech and no real use, just bagholders spamming and scamming bitcointalk

There are no real uses for any coins, Bitcoin included, with the possible exception of a bit of gambling, trading between each other, and a relatively small amount of dark market stuff. They're all about future potential right now. The total user base of cryptocurrencies is a maybe (very optimistically) a million people out of 7 billion (i.e. 1/7000 of the world population). Or 1/1000 of the so-called developed world.

A lot of Monero activity occurs outside bitcointalk and the Bitcoin world entirely. I'm sure the other credible projects are doing the same.

What I said was view keys don't undo mixing. They undo stealth, which allows disclosing the payments you receive (so for example, a company can document its income to an auditor or a charity can document or disclose publicly its donations). It doesn't show where those coins came  from. That's the same as any other form of mixing. With Dash, for example, you can show (or have seized) your wallet logs or your wallet files your spent keys, or your HD wallet seed, which reveal the coins you have received but not where they came from (assuming they came through a mixer). Same thing, different mechanism.


No. There is a whole year in review that lists some of the work that Monero has done. That doesn't even include view keys, although the first actual deployed uses of view keys (such as the back end of MyMonero) were done over the past year.

On the issue of "cutting out", I always leave the link back to the original message. Click it if you want to see it. There is no reason to requote the entire text of every single message 100 times on a thread.  lrn2forum.

plus these companies;
Many companies are accepting bitcoins, many are not. Here is a list of the biggest names who accepts bitcoins as a currency.

Overstock.com – A company that sells big ticket items at lower prices due to overstocking
Amazon – An online company that sells almost anything.
Target – An American retailing company
CVS – A pharmacy shop
Subway – Eat fresh
Victoria’s Secret – A lingerie outlet
Namecheap - Domain name registrar
Bitcoin.Travel – a travel site that provides accommodation, apartments, attractions, bars, and beauty salons around the world
Pembury Tavern – A pub in London, England
 Old Fitzroy – A pub in Sydney, Australia
The Pink Cow – A diner in Tokyo, Japan
Virgin Galactic - Richard Branson company that includes Virgin Mobile and Virgin Airline
The Pirate Bay - BitTorrent directories
Reddit – You can buy premium features there with bitcoins
Zynga – Mobile gaming
PayPal / Ebay - Credit card / payment processor / Auction
Tesla – The car company
OkCupid – Online dating site
4Chan.org – For premium services
EZTV – Torrents TV shows provider
Mega.co.nz – The new venture started by the former owner of MegaUpload Kim Dotcom
Lumfile – Free cloud base file server – pay for premium services
Etsy Vendors – 93 of them
PizzaForCoins.com - Domino’s Pizza signed up – pay for their pizza with bitcons
Tigerdirect – Major electronic online retailer
CheapAir.com – Travel booking site for airline tickets, car rentals, hotels
Expedia.com – Online travel booking agency
Zappos – Online retailer
Whole Foods – Organic food store (by purchasing gift card from Gyft)
Bitcoincoffee.com – Buy your favorite coffee online
Grass Hill Alpacas – A local farm in Haydenville, MA
Jeffersons Store - A street wear clothing store in Bergenfield, N.J
Helen’s Pizza - Jersey City, N.J., you can get a slice  of pizza for 0.00339 bitcoin by pointing your phone at a sign next to the cash register
A Class Limousine - Pick you up and drop you off at Newark (N.J.) Airport
Fiverr.com – Get almost anything done for $5
Seoclerks.com – Get SEO work done on your site cheap
Namecheap – Cheap domain registration company
Sacramento Kings – Professional Basketball team out in Sacramental California (NBA)
Mint.com - Mint pulls all your financial accounts into one place. Set a budget, track your goals and do more
with your money, for free! (Source: mint.com)
TechCrunch.com – IT blog
Fancy.com - Discover amazing stuff, collect the things you love, buy it all in one place (Source: Fancy)
Bing by Microsoft – 2nd search engine to Google
Bloomberg.com – Online newspaper
Humblebundle.com – Indie game site
BigFishGames.com – Games for PC, Mac and Smartphones (iPhone, Android, Windows)
Suntimes.com – Chicago based online newspaper
San Jose Earthquakes – San Jose California Professional Soccer Team (MLS)
Square – Payment processor that help small businesses accept credit cards using iPhone, Android or iPad
Crowdtilt.com - The fastest and easiest way to pool funds with family and friends (Source: crowdtilt)
Lumfile – Server company that offers free cloud-based servers
Museum of the Coastal Bend - 2200 East Red River Street, Victoria, Texas 77901, USA
Home Depot - Office supplies store
Kmart - Retail products store
Sears - Clothing and household products, electronic store
Gap, GameStop and JC Penney – have to use eGifter.com
Etsy Vendors – Original art and Jewelry creations
Fight for the Future – Leading organization finding for Internet freedom
i-Pmart (ipmart.com.my) – A Malaysian online mobile phone and electronic parts retailer
curryupnow.com - A total of 12 restaurants on the list of restaurants accept bitcoins in San Francisco Bay Area
Dish Network - An American direct-broadcast satellite service provider
Apple’s App Store - Buy music and any app on the Apple AppStore with bitcoins
The Libertarian Party – United States political party
Yacht-base.com – Croatian yacht charter company
Euro Pacific – A major precious metal dealer
CEX – The trade-in chain has a shop in Glasgow, Scotland that accepts bitcoin
Straub Auto Repairs - 477 Warburton Ave, Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 - (914) 478-1177
PSP Mollie – Dutch Payment Service
Intuit - an American software company that develops financial and tax preparation software and related services for small businesses, accountants and individuals.
Newegg.com – Online electronics retailer now uses bitpay to accept bitcoin as payment
ShopJoy – An Australian online retailer that sells novelty and unique gifts
 Wikipedia -  The Free Encyclopedia with 4 570 000+ article
Lv.net - Las Vegas high speed internet services
ExpressVPN.com – High speed, ultra secure VPN network
Grooveshark – Online music streaming service based in the United States
Dell - American privately owned multinational computer technology company
Braintree – Well known payments processor
MIT Coop Store - Massachusetts Institute of Technology student bookstore
SimplePay - Nigeria’s most popular web and mobile-based wallet service
SFU bookstore - Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada
State Republican Party – First State Republican Party to accept bitcoin donations (http://www.lagop.com/bitcoin-donate)
mspinc.com – Respiratory medical equipment supplies store
1-800-FLOWERS.COM – United States based online floral and gift retailer and distributor
http://www.bitcoinvalues.net/who-accepts-bitcoins-payment-companies-stores-take-bitcoins.html#sthash.sKsc1lG8.dpuf

monero = what's that?
oh wait, it's just another scammer and spammer coin on bitcointalk
the name(monero) itself sound pretty gay

Is Monero really that big?  can you provide some valid information of what your claims are I cant seem to find any good info..

If you look at the public statements of those companies, nearly all of them get a brief spurt of activity when they first announce Bitcoin (if that, maybe the newer ones not even that), then it dies down quickly to near zero.

There is a reasonable analysis of Bitcoin activity here: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2015/04/22/the-flow-of-funds-on-the-bitcoin-network-in-2015/

It shows that the entire Bitpay system (thousands of merchants) processed about $50 million total over an entire year. Peanuts. This is entirely in line with every other analysis I've seen.

Dell, Braintree, newegg.com.. plus thousands of mom and pop stores
monero = what's that? never heard of it = gay name #no offence to gay people#

 
  
About what I would expect from you.  
  
Trying to use some kind of middle-school edgy language, and then not even having the guts to stand behind it without some kind of disclaimer.  What are you, 13 years old?  Go do your algebra homework, and maybe one day understanding cryptography will be within your grasp.  
  
By your terrible logic, bitcoin was doomed in 2009 because no one had ever heard of it.  
  
This thread is about how Monero needs its own board because we are tired of trolls from other alts getting annoyed at our success.  Your unwanted invasion into a successful petition only validates our claim that Monero definitely needs its own section on Bitcointalk.

Why are Dastards on this thread attacking Monero?  Why are they so butthurt?

Are you sure you aren't someone who hates Monero trying to be obnoxious while pretending you like Monero. You definitely look like that to me

Are you sure you aren't someone who hates Monero trying to obnoxiously question my motives while pretending you honestly don't know that I like Monero? You definitely look like that to me 
 
If you want higher quality responses, then give me higher quality conversation as input.  My responses aren't going to be of a higher caliber than the useless drivel that the trolls are tossing around. 
 

I don't care too much about Monero. I owned some last year or very early this year when they had that big run, but sold out. I just bought some more. One of the things that made me interested was the way the Dev team handled themselves, in general. Most of the followers handled themselves well too.

Seeing idiots hyping them up makes them look less attractive, to me.

 
 
Are you suggesting that I should completely change my personality to make you feel more comfortable with your speculatory investment? 
 
And are you sure my master plan is not to pretend to be annoyingly in love with Monero to the point where it turns you off to it, and I am able to scoop up your Monero for cheaper because you are no longer a factor...? 
 
Or maybe you should be judging the currency based on its merits and not a single proponent of the technology who's writing style you find distasteful? 
 
I assure you I am as informed (or better) about Monero as you, and I'm sorry you dislike my exuberance. 
 
If you decide not to hold Monero as a result of your disdain, I'm sorry for your loss.

Oh *snap*

I wish more people would do DD before buying into crypto instead of just buying because of "community support" etc...if they did, they would see the great things that Monero has going for it.

The monero guys should do something with the memory hogging client first. When that's done then I don't mind if they get a child board :).

Compile and use Github head instead of the previous tagged release, and you'll end up with this:

https://i.imgur.com/VIxBWgL.png?1

That's testnet and mainnet.

Thanks I'm going to try that :).

Someone who talks about privacy finds Monero delusional  :D



Wait what? What are you doing here on this forum? Raking in Fiat?

I'm pretty sure Monero developers are just a bunch of trolls. They created a coin to fill their greedy self, not to make crypto a better place. Monero offers NO advantages that are different from other Altcoin's. They need to get their head out of their a** and realize they are just another Altcoin, and that Litecoin will always be better than them no matter how much they hate it.

Given that smooth sees the entire the financial world through a pair of cryptographic specs I suppose this glaringly myopic post is understandable. Lets spell out the 2 concepts concerned here.

Achieving Monetary Veracity through Public Consensus
User sees a balance in their wallet. User goes to blockchain.info to verify that its "understanding" of that address balance agrees with what their (potentially hacked) wallet is telling them. They also check other sources on the internet. The fact that the rest of the world can see that balance and that multiple other sources around the cryptocurrency sphere also report it convinces the user that:

a) the balance is genuine
b) the balance represents an indigenous part of the network money supply because we can follow an (albeit anonymous) monetary audit trail back to other similarly verified addresses on the network
c) following from (b), the address balance is substitutable for and equivalent to the rest of the money supply for that currency
d) their subjective opinion on points a) b) and c) is consistent with the view of all other network users

The aggregation of those four points across the whole network is what gives rise to the fact that a simple bunch of 'numbers' floating around can accrue exchangeable monetary value endorsed by public consensus.

Cryptography and ‘math’ are no substitute for public consensus. People do not get on planes because some engineer handed them a sheet of aerodynamic equations. They do so because they see other people getting on them and not dropping out of the sky like bricks.

Viewkeys and “What is an Audit ?”
This brings us to the wild idea that somehow the much vaunted viewkey is a vehicle for audit and "statutory compliance". When I first saw this feature I thought it must be some kind of joke. For a start, no compliance auditor is going to be convinced of anything when the veracity of the very transaction machinery itself can’t even be audited.

Secondly, compliance audits in the fiat world involve complex analyses of internal bookkeeping, tax records and mutual squaring of multiple reporting sources and banking records. They only have any statutory significance because there is a legal contract of ownership covering every asset including bank accounts. In crypto, no such contractual association exists between a legal entity and a blockchain address. Handing a compliance auditor a bunch of “viewkeys” is meaningless. The only type of audit which has any significance in crypto is the one that replaces the banking system’s role in the oversight of the financial machinery - i.e. the public consensus audit I described above.

In that regard and consistent with classic principles of audit going back centuries, we are talking about verifying 2 perspectives: [1] - the current state of balances, [2] - how they got there. In Bitcoin, this requirement is supported (for example) by trotting off to blockchain.info and verifying exactly those parameters: i.e.:

[1] - the originating address balance prior to the transaction
[2] - the destination address balance prior to the transaction
[3] - the originating address balance post transaction
[4] - the destination address balance post transaction
[5] - the documented transaction record and amount

Thats a transaction audit and the fact that it’s open is what makes Bitcoin a viable monetary medium independently of a trusted third party since public consensus can act as arbiter in its place. Ditch that and all you're left with is an encrypted bookkeeping program.

these points are fine if you want to live in that world. I don't. I don't want to live in a world where my paycheck can be viewed on the public ledger, my purchases can be viewed, etc etc. My life and the subsequent acquisition of material goods for my sustenance is not a commodity.

primarily, and this is possibly the most salient point in all of this, is that if Monero (or cryptonote) came first - then yes, people would have looked at cryptocurrencies and gone "thats a bunch of nonsense". So here, bitcoin served to introduce the concept of a cryptocurrency because people could watch it work very easily. To hack your metaphor, people trusted flight because they SAW it happen. They didn't just blindly go "i'm a prole, peeps be getting onto planes, guess I'll do that too". Nowadays people trust flight because it has a track record, just like bitcoin is proving its track record.

As mentioned before, you can watch how cryptonote works - in your words, "the veracity of the very transaction machinery", it just requires more diving into the machinery.

also on your public consensus bit, or "monetary veracity", I'm always fascinated by this argument because I can guarantee you its damn near impossible to find any of this information out in our current financial system. I.e., if I were to go to a bank and demand proof that my funds are real, fungible, etc., etc - I doubt that 1) i would be convinced and 2) it would take less than a day. So, people don't care.

And as I've mentioned before, if you really think financial privacy is not a problem then please post your fiat bank account numbers, transaction history, etc etc.

As mentioned before, both will work and more likely than not they will co exist somehow. You can do your financials on the public ledger and get blasted with advertisements based on your financial habits, get insurance readjustments based on scrutiny of your daily life, etc etc.

I won't. Its that simple.

So do these coins offer any advantages which seem to be decent to you? Were you just trolling and spamming this thread?

I'm sorry but they already are - at least in the sense that thousands of third parties require to access and view your entire banking and credit card history in order for it to function. In the fiat world you can’t operate financially without handing your data over to third parties.

Cryptocurrency has a different privacy model - some things are more private than fiat and others are less so, but the balance is far better, even with bitcoin. In this case you can operate without any counterparty support because your private key has to be known only by you. The fact that the other half of the blockchain (the 'public addresses') has a public manifestation is irrelevant. ALL monetary media do otherwise they can't act as monetary media.

The fungibility issue is a separate matter but I don't think people can even begin to address that without understanding the existing satoshi privacy model and how powerfully it supports classic monetary properties. In essence, the beauty of it is that it optimises public consensus (and therefor confidence & value) independently of privacy which is consistent with all monetary media since the dawn of man. The answer to the fungibility problem IMO is to enhance this model, not throw it out the window.


You seem to be saying that people will implicitly "trust this blockchain because they saw that other one work" and therefore don't need to support public confidence on an ongoing basis. Returning to the plane metaphor, a technology's "track record" is only as good as its last flight. What happens when people have billions of dollars of value at stake in an opaque blockchain and rumours start up left right and centre about hacks, faulty wallets, double spends, cracked cryptography and heists ? Where’s the accountability supposed to come from to mitigate such attacks on confidence ? Everybody swaps viewkeys with everybody else ?

I’m afraid the challenges involved in sustaining monetary confidence in the absence of any trusted countarparty are massive. There is not one inch of room for manoeuvre on this and it’s infinitely more important than privacy. Bitcoin has been able to withstand a 5-year kicking and drubbing because of its transparent blockchain, not in spite of it.


That’s because the funds in your bank account are not so called “base money”, like metals or commodities. They are basically derivatives which are levered off a capital base and managed for you in bookkeeping accounts. With cryptocurrencies, however, we are re-inventing base money. We’re effectively going back through the whole process (albeit at timelapse photography rates) by which gold went from a piece of rock to a universally accepted monetary medium and in that regard things like public consensus, fungibility and other monetary properties very much DO matter.

If crypto eventually takes hold, banking concepts may be re-invented where you no longer hold the private keys to actual blockchain addresses. Instead you simply operate an account maintained by a third party containing money backed by cryptocurrency as its capital base. We would then have come full circle - who knows - but I see this as kind of likely in the long run because at the moment fiat money is backed by counterparty debt which is effectively unlimited, so crypto would at least be an improvement.


This just is not a fair appraisal of how crypto (any blockchain) works IMO.

You are not connected to an address in the way that you are with a fiat bank account. Blockchain addresses have no association with individuals other than transient ones and certainly never at a protocol level. De-anonymisation has to be done from sources other than the blockchain. For example, people post their tipping addresses in forum posts or they register withdrawal addresses from an exchange. There are three reasons I can see why that is a million miles away from having your “paycheck viewed on the public ledger”:

[1] - mixing technologies will enhance the fungibility of the coin supply without adversely impacting on its transparency, thereby optimising its existing privacy model way beyond the threshold where it might adversely impact on its value

[2] - blockchain addresses do not correspond to our existing notion of bank accounts. You can create 100 of them in an instant just by opening a new wallet

[3] - if crypto ever gets to the point where you’re getting your paycheck denominated in it, you probably won’t be getting paid with a blockchain transaction anyway because there’ll be an entire meta infrastructure payments system in place that is only backed by crypto, (such as exists in supermarket payment processors today)

On purely privacy aspects, you make some valid points. But you're making two humungous assumptions with very little basis:

[1] - that what you're keeping private has any value
[2] - that it will be endowed with value simply by virtue of it being private

Thats why I say, "address privacy over confidence and value at your peril"  ;)

Toknormal, you are clueless. You said that fungibility isn't "invisible money", and further went on to say that the money changing hands validates the system(No money, no trust or something similar). That is Monero, with Monero you see money moving, but you don't know where. One one hand you're explaining how fungibility is in your view, and that's exactly how Monero works. Then, on the other hand you're saying Monero is "invisible money", thereby contradicting everything you've previously said. I know you're doing this because you're a Dash fanboy, and the coins are in competition, but at least don't contradict yourself.

You seriously need to go and rethink your arguments, you're contradicting yourself like a fool.

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Just use a forum dedicated to your coin if you want it to be separate....this is Bitcointalk.org not altcointalk.org.

Where do I say Monero is delusional? Monero isn't (it's a currency), but a (large?) part of its community apparently is, for thinking it would somehow "revolutionize the world", "be the successor to Bitcoin", "become global reserve currency" etc...


No, just being realistic -- plus I'm not emotionally attached to any cryptocoin, you see.

i don't know much about monero tech but the name is sound like gay shit. it's already turn me off to even try it  ;D

You posted yesterday too but didnt receive a reply, trying to troll again?


According to your signature -  if we're all love crypto and altcoins then buy into old coin with legitimate dev team which do pushing out the techs

Monero is 1 year old with honest devs with technology theymos, gmaxwell, petertodd BTC devs found interesting

Trolling Confirmed

Well, nazis and homophobes aren't really our target userbase.

Well, following the logic you present in this thread, Monero ought to use its own Monerotalk and stay away from Bitcointalk. If it's as important and significant as you think it is, Bitcointalk will become obsolete and Monerotalk will be number one anyway. Right?

the coin should rename to monogay or homogay

see, this is why we can't have nice things.

In my mind, Monero sounds like the international name for money, which it exactly is, international money. So I guess money just sounds like gay shit to you? ;D That is alright, more for me and my soon to be mega-rich buddies.

why soon? u guys r already rich in fucked up minds LOL

You don't bother me, and I bet you will be biting your tongue in a year from now. 8)

...suuure.

wasn't OP ironic? why people took it seriously?

Because it's hard to stay asleep in your mothers basement, with the drafts, mold, silverfish, and the constant stomping on the floor reminding you to get your lazy ass outta bed at 5pm when she comes back from real work.

They're cranky bitches.

No worries kids, I'm sure your bright futures as community college dropouts will be spent well. Bright in the sense that I'll be paying you Monero to mow my lawn.

bitches.

You idiot! You come out with this stupid thread and now people everywhere areattacking Monero because they think all Monero fans are idiots like you.

..why are having people attack Monero bad again?

Unless they've got a solid understanding of cryptography and super duper programming skills, all those words they think mean things just make me grin real wide.

Why would it be good?

All I see is more people talking about Monero.

Anyone throwing into the pot at this point isn't really here for the details, unless they're in possession of the above two skills.

It's the same thing that I saw w/ bitcoin. Regardless if it was a buttcoin topic or a bitcoin topic, all I saw was buzz.

It made me buy.

It wasn't until about a year later that I thought the words mattered. Then another year after that until I realized that they didn't again.

Hahaha funniest shite i've read all day!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425

^^AP isn't the only one who thinks XMR is a standout.

"Successor" not in the sense of displacement, but rather in the sense a Queen is the successor to her King's throne and they rule together happily ever after.

King Fiat and Queen Gold
vs
Prince Bitcoin and Princess Monero

It's been a couple of months and the situation has only gotten worse. 
 
Don't you guys see it yet?  Monero needs its own space here on bitcointalk.  Altcoins deserve a space free to create and pump gems such as CandleCoin, BritneyCoin, PlutoCoin, DingleCoin, and TriggeredCoin. 
 
But Monero is only going to get more and more popular as time goes on, and just like the crypto market float, we are going to consume everything. 
 
I don't want to piss off the entire altcoin board anymore, and so I urge the owners of bitcoin talk to give a few major cryptocurrencies (other than bitcoin) their own boards: Monero, litecoin, Dogecoin. 
 
Then the altcoiners could truly have a right to complain that Monero euphoria is consuming all their own hype.

 
It blows my mind honestly: we are 'annoying' you like bitcoin was 'annoying' finance boards back in 2011.  
  
You are so busy trying to figure out how to extract 50 more bitcoins from some premine CheeseburgerCoin nonsense that you fail to see the true next paradigm right in front of you.  
  
We're not talking fifty bitcoins here....  We're talking a speculative Smaug Horde for those savvy enough to understand that only massive innovation can propel a coin these days, and is what will drive success.  
  
If there is superior technology that the Monero talk is crowding out, please point it out.  But there's not.  
  
Opportunity does start small, but it won't stay that way.  Every once in a long while the universe hands you something that sounds too good to be true, and actually is somehow true.  
  
Bitcoin was one of those moments.  
  
Monero is the next, but people are so busy fighting for scraps from the table of bitcoin that they fail to see that they have an entire Kingdom sprawled out before them just waiting to be claimed...  
  
That Kingdom is Monero.  
  
And the universe is offering you a golden chance to be rich beyond your wildest dreams, and yet you eshew it.  Why?  Because over the last few years you've developed a taste for table scraps instead.  
  
I feel sorry for you, but I can't wait around for you to figure it out.  
  
The future waits for no one.

Most of the annoying posts and pumping is done by reverse trolls, actually trying to harm the community by bothering everyone on purpose.
This has been going on for a long time and they seem more active than ever lately.

Regardless, the number of serious discussions that involve Monero one way or another is likely to increase.

Or even better yet, it can have its very own forum! ...Oh wait it already has one (https://monerotalk.org/), but it's a ghost town

The official forum is at https://forum.getmonero.org

Monero already has its own sub-forum, it's called the TRASHCAN.



~BCX~

This was the first thing I thought of as well, you should utilize your own forum.  The insight about you can't get paid for signature campaigns by posting there rather than here is insightful.

As dozens of others have pointed out, this is bitcointalk, not cryptocurrency talk, many people want to get rid of the alt coin section all together.  I think threads like this help their case, be glad there is a place for you.

It is? Please take a look at the last 10 Monero supporters who have posted on this thread and tell me how many of them have paid signatures.

Now look at the troll who brought that up and you. What do you see at the bottom of those posts?

Somebody is surely shilling here, and it isn't the Monero supporters.


The Monero discussion takes place almost exclusively in the Alternative cryptocurrencies section of bitcointalk. If the forum admin wants to get rid of it, that's his perrogative, but as long as it's here, it is perfectly appropriate to discuss coins besides Bitcoin. And in turn it makes good sense to organize it appropriately, which might well include dedicated forums for coins with a particularly high level of interest and discussion.

Obviously no alt coin should have its own sub here so that is just silly. I think Monero is fine where it is at right now. The only alt with a semi active forum is Litecoin, but it is also bigger than all the rest combined so not really surprising. Personally I try to ignore the alt section here since it is always a mess. All alt coins have shills and supporters...XMR does seem to have a lot of haters though.

While it is certainly better than quite a number of these coins, I would agree. Even if we are going to judge each coin and try to find the one that deserves a board, it would not be monero.
Looks like these "teams" behind altcoins can't even make a forum for themselves.

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Making a forum requires minimum effort unless you're coding it. Stop bothering bitcointalk about your altcoin.

Oh dear, we're going to need more copies of the Butthurt Report Form.  LaudaM, please take a number and have a seat.

Maybe while you're waiting you can also nag the "teams" behind Namecoin about making their own forum.  Because Bitcoin is the only valid use of Nakamoto Consensus that will ever happen.

So why do you keep bothering the altcoins?

You're clearly paid by somebody to make Monero look bad. Its funny that their hardcore devs and bagholders are too tunnel-visioned to notice this.

That's why I'm near certain you are Moneroman88 and Blue Meanie AKA Josh Zeidner.

If its so important, why not make a new forum at a new domain?

aww yeah necrothreading!

forum.getmonero.org

No, just no.

What is Monero?    :P

Pure bullshit. How you wanna be taken serious by saying so much crap ? Monero is nothing but an altcoin, dependant of Bitcoin forever and will never get out of its shadow.

Monero shares no (high level) code with Bitcoin, so it not a fork like other altcoins.

But as a store of value that also functions as a medium of exchange, Monero represents an alternative socioeconomic consensus, so it's an altcoin in the socioeconomic sense.

Given the vast overlap (basically embedding) of XMR's user base with BTC's, I have no problem using the broader definition.

And XMR is definitely an altcoin as far as its functionality, which include providing an opaque blockchain as an alternative to BTC's transparency and a dynamic block size as an alternative to BTC's static approach.

Maybe we can pay use donations to pursuade Thermos to give us our own forum on a subdomain.

Monero.bitcointalk.org

No more Monero threads (and threads about Monero threads) on the alt board, no more DashHole and Vtrash BS in Monero threads.

Win/win.   8)

https://forum.getmonero.org

Win/win :P

That's a nice suggestion. Applied consistently each coin would have its own independent forum, the Alternate cryptocurrencies section here would be shut down, traffic to this site would plummet and revenue to the operator would plummet along with it. I don't think that lead balloon is going to fly very far.

It was just an answer to the extraordinary request this thread presents. Apparently some of the Monero supporters feel the need to have their own subforum on Bitcointalk. I've never heard of any other project running a petition "to have its own board, so [they] don't bother the altcoins" -- everyone else seems to be running their own forums as well as threads on BCT without wanting more than that. ;)

This implies that every coin has the same community behind it, which obviously isn't true.
Next to no Bitcoin/Litecoin fork has the community to sustain a full fledged forum of their own for a prolonged period of time. Therefore, the best solution for them would be a thread or two in the Alternate Currencies section. If a coin is becoming so demanding that it would require it's own board (on a forum which is essentially unrelated besides it being a crypto-currency), would it not make more sense for that coin's community to transfer to it's own forum, rather than stay on an otherwise unrelated existing forum?

As for this,
BitcoinTalk has survived previous to these alt-coins being created and used, I'm sure it can survive should said alt-coins move away.

It could survive yes, but traffic and revenue would indeed plummet.

You definitely do have alternate forums, but they haven't been able to get traffic away from this site.
http://altcointalk.org/ hasn't managed to make a dent.

Kind of like asking my business needs a new board

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Donating 100BTC to the forum to have a sub-board under the same board might work. ;D
10BTC for renewing every year.