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I've been on this forum for a while, and Quickseller is a frequently recurring name. Although I don't know him personally, his contributions to the forums that I have witnessed are proof enough of his beneficiary nature. Quickseller, in my opinion, would make a great mod.

Ha thanks for the vouches.

However if my two stints on default trust is an indication of anything then me beefing promoted to staff would have all the scammers and their alts complaining about me because they will have a more difficult time pulling off their scams. I wouldn't be surprised if the spammers start complaining as well. Plus it would probably also bring out the conspiracy theorists.

While I would be honored for the position, I do think it would be very controversial. I do have over 1.6k reports with a 95% accuracy rate.

My accuracy rate on my sent trust is even better then the above and I was able to spot a number of scams that others would not be able to spot for a long time. However I was still removed from BadBear's list.

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Infinite vouches for quickseller.
He is probably THE detective on here and is very trustworthy. I talk to him on skype alot and I would trust him with ANY amount of btc. He always comes up with crazy accusations that are almost always true (and his 95% rate proves this)

Quickseller is only an alt. His main account is already a moderator.  ;)

Well I can nominate QS I guess. I mean he's all over the forums and warns people about scammers and their futile scams but I don't think they'll need another moderator here? Either way, you get my vote.

If he was at least on default trust that would be enough, i find it quite weird that no one on the default trust has him on their list, i mean there are plenty of default trust people that have like 10 sent feedbacks and thats about it, arent they wasting their power?

That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.

I admit, Quickseller is pretty active, and does quite a bit of scambusting (I remember when he used to just be an account seller :P)
But I don't think the forums will take into account our opinions when deciding new moderators.
And I'm not sure about the extent to which scam busting and moderating are similar. Moderators don't delete scammers threads, ban scammers or anything of the sort. His reports sound quite impressive, but that's for admins to consider, not us.

Exactly. This is not how the system works and it would be prone to abuse. A problem would occur, because if you factor in all the drama that happened with people complaining about Quickseller, this would make that escalate even more (unless you like long threads with drama).
Interestingly enough he has not been offered a position even after such a high amount of good reports. On the other hand, I doubt that there is someone more deserving right now than him.

Who cares about drama, ban or delete any nonsense posts like those ones, lets be honest 99% of people that used to complain about qs ratings were confirmed scammers, yeah he might have made some mistakes but the majority of the time he didnt.

You can't delete posts that aren't against the rules as far as I know. The staff has decided to allow useless drama in the past, what makes you think that it would change now?

I'm sure they'd take it into consideration but obviously we don't have a democratic system here for choosing new mods. However, if the majority of people think he's doing a good job and would welcome him as a mod then I think that has to count for something, though it obviously isn't the deciding factor.


There are likely a couple of people with many more reports than him, but I don't think just having the highest or very high amount of reports will guarantee you anything either. That could just as easily be abused. A scammer could spend a significant amount of time reporting posts in an attempt to join Staff. I also think QS would make a good mod and don't think it would be that controversial but there's never a day without drama here and whingers will always whinge. The only drama that has really occurred because of him is due to him outing scammers anyway. He screwed up once or twice on feedback and that was unfortunate but I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes and don't think that should count against him potentially being a mod especially with all the other good he does. I think potential mods should be trustworthy, be very, very active and know the rules with also a high report accuracy. He has all these things but I have no idea whether he would ever be made a mod or not and that's not up to me to decide. If I was going to nominate the next mod though I think it should be Shorena for also all of the above reasons.


Well we can #WorstSituation #AbuseOfPower haha, but if he or any other mod just deleted posts like that they likely wouldn't be a mod for very long and that certainly would be a good way to cause drama. People complain in Meta when they've had their thread moved to the correct section so if someone deletes a post that they shouldn't there'll be trouble  :D.

Yeah, I know that it won't. I never said that it guarantees anything. There are several people that are fit for this position, and you're right it would be easy to abuse if the sole factor was a high number of reports.
What would prevent someone to make accounts and spam from them, while reporting each post from his main one? Nothing. I also agree with your suggestion regarding Shorena. Well I as far as I know, moderators are allowed to interpret rules in their own way (to a certain level of course). However, we don't need more people whining and complaining.

I'm pretty sure that most of us are growing tired of: #TrustIsFlawed, #DeletedMypost, #LeftnegativeTrust, #RemoveVod, etc.

He previously was, but it only takes one dedicated scammer to spam anyone with him in their trust list to have him removed. Because it works.

Well for me a Moderator is a user who is unbiased and sees both side of a coin. Currently, Quickseller doesn't exhibit the same IMHO. May be later there will come a time when Theymos/Badbear thinks he is fit enough and consider him worthy but I don't think currently he could be a responsible moderator else even Vod and Tomatocage could be appointed as moderators. It's only a constructive criticism and not to take anything personally  :)


Was Tomatocage a moderator anytime?

As people have already commented on him being active in busting scams isn't the main criteria. Vod and tomato don't report many posts at all whereas QS does.

And no, tomato wasn't. His account is just an alt account of someone to bust scammers on as far as I'm aware.

Yes unfortunately it seems easy like that to take someone down from default trust. Most of the spammers and complainers about qs were wrong and yet he still got kicked and other default trust members, as i said, have almost no sent feedback wasting their position, obviously if you dont mark scammers as scammers you will have way less trouble than if you do. It was kind of stupid to remove qs, anyone who marks scammers are going to have enemies, it happened with vod as well, even with hilarious recently.

He certainly qualifies from my point of view, the main reasons quoted above.
His polarizing personality should not be an issue, there's other staff with that "feature".
On the other hand, is there even need for general staff right now?
I see a lack of moderation in certain "language" subforums but I don't see it in general.

We could probably do with one or two in my opinion. The subs that don't have any moderators could do with some as only Globals can pick up those reports, but that could also be remedied by promoting more current Staff to Globals.

I wouldn't object to Quickseller being staff, he has exposed many scammers and I think has the communities best interest at heart.

There was an issue with him being removed from badbears trust list but I believe he has learnt a good lesson from that.

I think he would make an excellent choice for staff and if he is a little more careful back into the trust network.

It isn't about Scam busting as in any case this forum doesn't moderate scams. It's about how one addresses any query and their way of handling reports. I guess he might be able to handle the reports but may not be a good moderator to give an unbiased opinion. It's totally my POV.

A poll will be really useful for this and as far as my opinion is concerned I think he would make a good moderator but he really has a good nose for smelling scams from a distance and I think getting him back in the trust list would be better idea since Vod is away and this place could use a scam buster who is always actively patrolling the forum.

He has doing many contribution to this forum so I vouches him so much.
I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

I wouldn't have a problem with quickseller being a mod.


Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or a I hate quickseller thread. LOL.

Dear, QS was removed as he was too quick in leaving ratings. As per his earlier post, he was removed as he was wrong in calling out 2 alts of scammers. He was then removed from TC's trust rating for the calling nhndc a scammer. Being on the DT list doesn't make him a good MOD or any other person a good MOD.

I think he would be a good choice for a moderator as well. Not because of his scam busting, but he seems to patrol most English areas of the website and keeps himself calm, even when things are getting heated. He obviously knows how moderating works around here, like he said, he has 1.6k reports with a 95% acceptance rate.

Obviously any scam buster will make mistakes, if you only mark the confirmed scammers then you are doing nothing because everyone would know already. I consider his ratings helpful for the community, yeah if some of them are later proved wrong then he simply can delete them and problem solved. Afterall he has a 95% accuracy and im sure he prevented plenty of scams on this forum.

He does make mistakes, but doesn't correct them . You can't really argue with him if the accusation is on you , even though when he is the one wrong and you offer proof for everything. He is an overly egoistic attitude with things going in the opposite way for him and will never agree to his mistakes in 99% of the cases. There was also worshipper he gave a negative trust just he denied using him as an escrow. I have also seen him to unethical things like removing trust from a confirmed scammer just because he used him as an escrow for selling the account, but didn't care about the trust on me even though I provided enough proof .

I won't argue he seems to have a positive effect on the forum with some of the scam busting, and he obviously does a good amount of trading, but I have a personal issue with users who buy/sell forum accounts, even on this thread it could just be accounts he bought and held onto gloating about himself, even some of his trust could be beefed up by bought accounts... I realize I have trust issues but this is what this forum has done to me, it is what it is!  ;)  

In any case, I'm not sure nominations happen here...

Saying that we also can't know his real or alt accounts  therefore it is also possible the whole thread is started by his alts and some of the people posting here are his alts .

good point:) even is highly unlikely, that it is true, is quite fine, that you just pointed, how relative posts on these forum are and how literally anything can be manipulated. Some portion of paranoia is not so bad in virtual space at all..

regarding QS, yes, he is quite cool guy, definitely with positive impact to community, anyway, I don't think that staff members are picked based on some threads like this one.

If we do need additional moderators, which are the sections which would require them?
I think Politics & Society needs a moderator.

If the forum needs moderator, shorena is better. Scam busting is not a mod's job, mod job is to keep the board clean. Quick seller can always scam bust even if he is not a mod

I like Quickseller, but sorry QS , I can't vouch for you.

Stupidest idea I've ever heard.

You want to make a dirty account seller (the lowest of the low) a MODERATOR??

Quickseller enables at least 50% of all scams that take place on this forum, and you want to make him a moderator. Real genius move.

I move to ban Quickseller instead, and bring back some much-needed credibility to this forum.

Now watch, this message will be removed by a mod within 30 minutes. Because QS is very likely a mod or else conspiring with one to rip off forum users. What a sad existence to lead. Don't you understand how magical and interesting life is?

And you want to use your precious time on this planet to rip off others for a living? For shame.

Sweet, it's the quickseller masterbation post of the day.  It's a fun game you guys, look through the 1000s of posts that quickseller produces every week and nearly everyday you can find one where he "toots his own horn" so to speak.  This one is a little more subtle, because he's responding to someone else wanking him, but who knows, with his anonymity, they may actually be the same person.

The reason that quickseller isn't on default trust is that he's too hot tempered and no one knows what his real motivations are. Yes, he does a lot of posting, yes he calls people out.  But the issue is that he calls people out for the reptuation points, not because he's trying to find the truth.   The folks that are saying things like "he's 99% right" are obviously not the ones who got wrongly caught up in his dragnet.  In a recent high-profile event, he went on for a week about how respected member ndnhc was scamming (for some tiny amount, the story didn't add up) using some faked proof.    When people confronted him about the fact that the motive wasn't there, he would shut them down saying I have evidence and that scammers don't need a motivation to scam.  After he was shown wrong he didn't apologize or say that he'd be more careful in the future, he just moved on and continues to toot his own horn about how he found this "evidence".  There was even a good deal of speculation about whethere he might have been the one who planted the evidence himself, although this was never proven.

In a saga that spans nearly 4 months now, he went after me starting this March/April for literally no known reason.  In case you didn't hear this one, it's quite nuts:

I had called quickseller out for not being nice in several threads---he was calling people "idiot" left and right and generally not being helpful.  Only a few days after I started saying, "hey quicktemper, simmer down, not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot", he logged on with one of his alt accounts and started trolling me.  Saying how he was gonna get me kicked of my sig-ad campaign because I suck.  So, he goes digging through everything and comes up with a lie that known scammer traderfortress accused me of like 2 years ago.  He then neg-repped me (this was during the brief period when he was on default trust) with his main account.  Weeks of fighting were the result.  Quickseller's reputation quickly went down the tubes as badbear saw that quickseller is too much about pride and destruction of those who he considers enemies than about fairness or community.  Quickseller was booted from badbears list only a few weeks later after other incidents in which he fingered the wrong people.

Then he got put on tomatocage's list.  He wanted power so badly that when I asked tomotocage to intervene about my negative trust from quickseller, qs relented in order to stay on tc's list.  Tomatocage saw that QS's feedback on me is nothing but vindictive bile with no basis in fact, and he asked quickseller to at least change it to a neutral.  Quickseller did this.  But he was removed from default trust again shortly after presumably because of his false accusations against ndnhc.   Don't be confused on this, QS is not on default trust because the people on default trust can't trust him.  They've tried but no one wants their reputation to be tied to his fiery temper.

In case you think he's learned from this and moved on, note this.  Just recently I saw that he's changed his rating on me back to negative.  He hasn't let go of the nonsense yet.  God knows why this guy hates me so much, the only thing I could figure for a while was that he was some alt of tradefortress, but finally I decided that that doesn't make sense.  The only explanation left is that he can't handle being crossed, that once you say to him something like "you are wrong" or "stop calling people idiots" he will stop at nothing in order to defame you for the rest of your life.  

Only one month ago he seems to have registered a newbie account, FunFunnyFan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519804 who was trying to sell a default trust account.  He spent one weekend trolling me with this account.  The writing style was the same as quickseller's and I have no doubt it was him trying to openly troll me without getting his main account involved again.  I thought it was very interesting that that account was trying to sell a default trust account and that the moment I said "hey you must be quickseller, no one else has any problem with me" the account disappeared and stopped trolling me.

For the record, I have 4 negative feedbacks on my account after 3 years here.  1 from tradefortress (a false accusation), 3 from quickseller and his alts flaming me for god knows what purpose.

This is the deal with quickseller, if you want him to be your moderator, god help anyone who dares to say he's wrong, you'll get nuked so fast....


Indeed, Shorena has all the positives of quickseller, but without the firey temper and vindictiveness.  You really can't be a leader if you can't be fair and be willing to put aside personal animus.  Any objective look at quickseller's time here shows that he has a lot of growing to do on that front before he could be trusted to be an impartial judge.


Indeed, once I had been the victim of a quickseller smear attack I started reading those meta threads saying quickseller was falsely accusing them with a new view.  Originally it's easy to see a newbie account saying "no" to quickseller and think these are just scammers who are sad they got caught, but once you've been falsely accused by him yourself, you start to think more about giving people the benefit of the doubt.  I think all those people who are saying QS is 99% right on page 1 are either alts of quickseller themselves or else they've never really looked closely at the evidence in those 99% cases they're talking about.  And this is the problem, QS doesn't look closely either, he merely acheives his 50 posts, 20 reports, 10 negative feedbacks per day and logs out, logs in as an alt, repeat.

Relax dear. I know that you love him. It's not in mine or your hand to make him the MOD so why argue  ;)


I feel this was the case earlier but now he seems to be in control. He doesn't jump to conclusions. Anyways, MODs don't have the authority to ban users unlike Global MODs and hence if he can manage the reports carefully of spammers, he can be a good moderator.

I don't think that quickseller would be a good moderator but this is only my personal opinion.

Thanks hilariousandco for having faith in my abilities, but we talked about this and I dont think things have changed. I dont currently see the need for another mod or at least not for me as a mod. Most of my reports are currently handled quickly by EAL AFAIK (hard to tell sometimes), which suggests that there is no need for another mod in my timezone. Whether or not a new mod is needed or if someone very active should be promoted to global mod is probably something that can hardly be judged from outside the staff team. I also dont know what theymos wants in terms of reaction times, whether this should be community driven etc.

I also would like to ask anyone here is that this does not become a "Quickseller vs. Shorena" thing. There is no contest here. I very positive that if a mod is needed someone fitting will be found.

I guess we have too many Patrollers and not enough dedicated board moderators. We discussed this a while ago, sometimes I don't have any reports to handle but Cyrus had 100+ reports. I proposed to reduce workload multiple times but got no answer. Well, Admins know better.

This. Anyone who says that we have enough moderators is wrong. It's possible that there are too many people patrolling newbies at the moment, while boards such as local ones do not have enough moderation.
Let me just show you a picture that I just took:
https://i.imgur.com/f1qeJQI.png
I've scaled it down so that it can fit. There were a few more in other sections in the Chinese board. It took a while to report all of them.

I was just reporting them too.
Does multiple people reporting the same thread make any difference, maybe make it a higher priority in the queue?
I assume the mods will anyways delete all upon seeing that all are similar.

I would say no.

I had typed in everything here, but when I posted it, it kept loading for some 2 minutes. I clicked Back, and wow, everything was empty. :(
Checked drafts too. Gone, lol. ;) [Bits and parts that I could remember:]

Quickseller is extremely knowledgable, knows everything around here, and he has the skills to be a mod.

But, his methods are too objective, and he attacks everything that he "thinks" has the "possibility" of being a scam or scammer.
The only reason I don't have this "Trade with extreme caution" tag just because the person who tried to frame me or QS posted in the giveaway thread one day late (probably couldn't find any other thread). he clarified that it is the only reason that is valid (he ignored all other, even the amount involved, I was inactive, and every other valid defense. It makes sense for QS that I leave the campaign for a few days without any prior notice, delaying the avatar campaign (and due payments), and patrol the forum in a newbie account blackmailing people, and posting year old addresses in the forum? :P But thank God the other one made sense to him.)
And some default trusted doesn't even bother to verify anything properly, before making their own contribution. And the forum suddenly turns supportive (sarcasm).
What I am saying is, the possibility of "false positive" is usually high enough to be not ruled out like that.

From someone who survived two scam accusations ( :o) and negative feedbacks from TC, Quickseller, redsn0w, ... and even Vod (for a funny loan issue)). The sad thing is, sometimes, even if you know you did nothing, you won't be able to provide any proof. And esp. relatively new members won't have anyone supporting them.


Edit: tl;dr, cause his good, method needs upgrading :)

You are just another hater that always blames quickseller every time you can, dont you have anything else to do? You are so focused on this when there are way bigger problems out there, why dont you use your time doing something productive instead?

Its funny that everyone who is attacking qs has been in conflict with him. Selling accounts is not against the rules anyways so what is your point?

Just woke up and nuked them all. Not a big deal, when you report they are handled pretty fast.

If I were you, I would be more concerned about the people who saw the evidence that supported your innocence yet said nothing. The facts were evaluated by a number of people and the consensus was that the facts pointed to your guilt. There was however a small number of people (maybe one or two) who displayed they had information that supported your innocence, yet they only made very vague statements regarding the situation.

Furthermore, you are the one to blame for you making arguments as to why you were innocent only in private, and for withholding such arguments from the people who had concluded you were guilty. To say that you were a victim of being wrongly accused when you intentionally withhold evidence showing your innocence is ridiculous.

Additionally, for the record, you continued to promote an obvious scam for several months, and facilitated the promotion of such scam for several months in exchange for payment to yourself. There is no denying that you continued to promote such scam and there is no denying that you had the ability to shut down such advertisements for the scam site.

Good job. I didn't say that it was a big deal. I was trying to point out that time zones should be taken into consideration as well when looking for the next moderator. Some sections also need new moderators (section specific), or the previous ones need to be a little more active/engaged.
Unfortunately this thread is causing drama again and the people who used to complain about QS are joining in again. I knew that there could be no good from a thread such as this one. This is why theymos chooses the moderators without consulting the community.

This is one of many examples of you trolling. I find it outrageous that this has been allowed to continue for as long as it has. Granted the threshold for trolling is very high, however I believe this threshold has been breached multiple times. Although I do not think this is necessary, I would be able to provide multiple examples of similar trolling posts by tspacepilot.
No. You are lying and misrepresentation the situation. No credible information was presented to show ndnhc's innocence, the people who claimed he was innocent either were blindly following him or saw evidence that he was not guilty but refused to present it publicly (or privately AFAIK).
You do not know what happened via PM. Regarding the "speculation" that I planted the evidence myself, that is worthless, much like you.
I have told you multiple times why I looked into your scammy history. It was because you started trolling me for no apparent reason. To say that yo do not know why I looked into your history is a serious misrepresentation of the facts.

I changed my negative rating to a neutral against you because I would rather let one scammer roam free then give up the previous extensive amounts of work that I have put into putting scammers. This is not something I will do again.

You are a professional troll and a scammer. The reason other do not call you out as a scammer is because they do not want to deal with the drama that you cause when people disagree with you. When people call you out in your own threads, you lock them in order to prevent further criticism of yourself.    
You assume it is me because someone does not agree with you. This fits your MO very closely. Have you ever stopped to consider that you are simply not a likable person?


You are lying again. You were falsely accused of nothing. You are a scammer and a troll. As I said in the beginning of this post, it is offensive that you have been allowed to troll for as long as you have. If results are not seen immediately, then further action will be taken to ensue that you are prevented from further trolling and from further spamming.

Your slander is worthless  

I think Quickseller is a very big positive for the forum. He has the right intentions & has obviously caught a lot of scumbags & stopped them scamming good honest people.

I'm unsure if he should be a moderator though, he does 9/10 things brilliantly but I have noticed him being a bit argumentative & sometimes too involved, too obsessed with scam busting that he annoys people & gives some negative trust too easily. He was very, very involved with slating Da Dice & I didn't really agree with it.
Once he bites into something he doesn't seem to be able to let go & he doesn't listen to the other side of an issue, it's his way or the highway.

He was terrible to ndnhc who is about as trustworthy as it gets, a really great guy who has never done anything remotely suspicious on here.

He had a run in with tspacepilot too which I believe wasn't proven to be a legit problem with tspacepilot.
In conclusion I don't think Quickseller should be a mod but he should carry on with the actual good work that he has shown he is capable of most of the time.

I don't know if I like moderators being nominated like that. A moderator isn't a tough job. Moderators are supposed to be impartial - they not supposed to get involved in scams in anyway so scam busting experience is not really relevant. All actions that a (non-global) moderator does are reversible by a global mod, so even having an untrustworthy person as a mod isn't so bad as any damage they do can be undone in a few minutes and non-global mods don't have access to any secret info like IP addresses or PM's. I think its a slippery slope if we start nominating or electing moderators, it's best to leave all the politics and such out of this - we essentially only need someone to read reports and click yes/no. Not that I don't think Quickseller would make a good mod or anything like that.

There's unlikely to be more mods yet, things will change somewhat to make moderation more efficient and distribute the current workload over more people in the new forum, so it would be best to wait and see how it shakes out then.

*waits for images of skeletons and "lulz there's a new forum?"*

 

lulz there's a new forum?

https://i.imgur.com/kbL1O4p.jpg

I like it, "hey quickseller, please stop calling me an idiot, please stop call other people idiots too" = "trolling"  ::)Right, I seeeeee, you are the only one brave enough to call me out using a pseduoanonymous account on an internet forum.  Ladies must swoon for you.  Or, ahem, perhaps more believably, the only reason others do not call me out is because it's only you and your boy tradefortress who have any issue.   And really, tradefortress seems to have better things to do than to troll me all day, so I guess it just leaves you.Nope, I assume that it's you because you're literally the only one in 3 years who has had any issue with me whatsoever.  It's quite embarrassing for you that you have to lie in bed with tradefortress in order to come up with an accusation against me and that you can't see how terribly that undermines any credibility in your other judgments.   Someone who would take tradefortress' word and run on a 3 year old false accusation over some personal vendetta is, ahem, kinda outlandish.  But people have to make their own judgments.  Anyway, selling a default trust account, QS?  That's a little edgy isn't it?^^ was that some kind of threat?  Sweet.  Let's make quickseller a mod so that he can carry out the threats he's already making against forum members!

Can't help but reply, lol. Well, I suppose this is not off-topic, since well indirectly defending my opinion? ;)


It is obvious only to you. :P
You always seemed to have something against someone from Da Dice or Da Dice altogether. And that too only from a few months back.

I trust Steve, and he gave me his word that he has no intention of scamming anyone (might seem stupid to you, but it isn't for me). But that was only recently. I know that they are trying to be the No. 1 gaming site in the Bitcoin world, and they are going for the long term. No one who intents to close a site or scam someone would try to keep improving and bring in new features continuosly. They have been working hard and still do.
You were expecting them to run when the campaign closed, right? :P

Edit: For payments to myself? really? As far as I know, you care more about money than I do. Money is never "that" important to me.

Edit2: You (and many others) will never trust anyone. But I do. I don't regret working for Da Dice, nor I hope I ever will. :D

Edit3: I think this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021240.msg11055166#msg11055166 qualifies for the "promoting an obvious scam" tag than the one you are accusing of.

Edit4: Following anything to the word (that isn't professional ethics anymore) is not really good, mate. IMO, you qualify to be a mod if you change your methods, but there are certain others who should have the chance first.

[Constructive criticism. Supposed to help you. ;D]

I mentioned in another post that Quickseller can be good for the community but whilst I have no personal issue with him, the above is what concerns me.

I don't think he should be a mod because I don't trust him to have a straight enough head to moderate responsibly. I think he can be a bit like a kid with a gun. The power to harm & destroy but not the self restraint to control his shots & when/who he fires at.

I think he should be left as he is, a crime fighter but not a high powered one. I don't think he should be on default trust & I don't think he should be a mod. Once he makes his mind up on somebody or something that's it he doesn't listen to reason. As a moderator that could be dangerous.

Idiot. Stop and form a thought before you type next time. What the FUCK do you think YOU are doing that is any different?

I am just trying to warn people that Quickseller is an evil hack, responsible for selling accounts that people use to defraud other forum members with. And you are defending his evil hackishness. So who's the bigger douchebag?

I wonder, amongst the people who all vouched for quickseller, how many are his alts out of them?
Probably many.

Yeah Quickseller gets my vote, he's a good active member of the community and always seems be on hand to give advice and has also probably put paid to many attempted scams.

I will say, Quickseller is a quality member and poster here.  I wouldn't have any issue seeing him as a staff member.   :)  Either way, best of luck mate!

I don't have a history with Quickseller or this forum to be worthy of a vote on his/her specific candidacy. However as a Sr. Member of the forum community I do have a right to share what I believe the qualities that exemplify a Moderator, those are primarily:

• One who is willing to remain objective to the facts at all times, a judge (which is what a Moderator often is) must remain objective to the situation or decision, regardless of personal impact or opinion
• One who is willing to hold restraint at times when it would be easy (and human nature) to make a quick and forceful, yet potentially rash and damaging decision

Thanks

You are derailing the point here which is if qs should be a mod or if people want to, so far a lot of people have vouched for him. Selling accounts is allowed, as i said before, you also have to take a look at all his sent feedbacks to see that he has been giving plenty of accurate ratings

well are you sure that quickseller is. king of Scam Busting posts...well I know and I am sure that he is very helpful to everyone even I and many of my friends has deal with him and always got a smooth deals and helpful advices but as we know there is nothing 100%  good ..so I want to know why some of the poeples are giving him negitive trusts and making false comments there..sorry but I dnt want to point any wrong intension just I am cerous about those

Being a mod requires a sound knowledge of the rules, and obviously a lot of time to spend on the forum. QS fits both the criteria. For all those worried about QS going overboard, initially he would be a patroller and would hardly have any power.

Having said that, BadBear doesn't seem to be too matey with QS these days so I won't be holding my breath. Or weren't BB and QS supposed to be the same guy? It's confusing :-[

I think Quickseller is too precipitated when he gives feedbacks. See for example this thread:


I don't think QS deserves to be either in the default trust settings list or be a mod.

Quickseller gave negative trust rating without verifying by himself if his assumptions are true, then confessed that his rating was wrong according to his own criteria and changed it to neutral. If enough buzz is created QS gives negative trust without checking by himself the facts, so some of their ratings are wrong, even if he does a good job in some situations, or if the accused person, by coincidence, really did what QS thinks he did.

Mod power is even more dangerous than trust power, because a perma banned user won't be able to return to the forum forever, while reputation can be rebuild and the neg reped user still can use the forum.

And we all know that QS is an account seller, so it is of his interest damage as much accounts he can, under any pretext. As patroller he would be able to ban and nuke all newbies, and I don't think the admins would spend time judging if a ban of a newbie user was really fair or not. Plus he would get access to some informations not available to normal users, what will probably be dangerous, because we don't know what other identities he has.

(btw, who put QS back in the level 2 trust?)

Badbear did, technically. he deleted QS from his exclusion list.
previously Tomatocage has QS on his trust list and BadBear excluded him, that's why he got knocked off. CMIIW

I love how you make new account just for this. Trust issue is really sensitive here

No I'm not Quickseller, obviously. The people who say things like that are usually after information, either about me or the other person. They want me or someone else who knows me to say "Well no I/he couldn't be Quickseller because..."
It's an obvious ploy, and not one I fall for.


I never excluded him.

what? who will I offend with that little comment?


huh. guess I was wrong then.


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then who put QS back?

Looks like Tomatocage added Quickseller back onto his trust list.

So you're saying QS is a "him"...interesting, verrrry interesting. The details are all falling in place now...

Are staff/moderator positions granted purely through nomination or invite? Seems appropriate to do it that way, just curious. And am in no way implying that I'd want to eye such a position...let's just get that out there.

They're usually chosen by report accuracy.

I got 61% (thanks to updownbot.bz). Glad I didn't want to be a mod. ;)

This thread is literally a dank Bitcointalk meme.

Anyway, kek aside, QS shouldn't be a mod unless he reports a lot (maybe he does? I don't know) but he should be on DefaultTrust. He ain't that bad, damn.

I just checked my report count actually...326 @ 96% accuracy, pretty low count but that accuracy :D

He stated that on the first page:

Well, if a position opens up, why not then?

Though it would probably be controversial...but then again, who are the people who would create that controversy?

The scammers,
but the 5% would also create the controversy as well.
If you are given the power of a mod, and you are 5% wrong, that is bad. Also with all this previous stuff you are tied into, I don't think that would make for a very impartial judge.

You can't compare that. I'm pretty sure that some moderators were invited with even a lower percentage. As stated in the rules, moderators are allowed to interpret rules as they wish (to some degree).
He might have been wrong less than 5% of the reports if someone else was handling his reports. I assume that he made mistakes when he joined the forums, as did I. I'm also now at 95%, it is just really hard to get it much higher.

I think that theymos has stated somewhere that 90% (or even less?) was enough.

I vouch for Quickseller too, though most of the time I just read and read how he bust and uncover those potential scams that could probably affect the community, especially the newbies. I think his reports (1600+ reports with 95% accuracy) is over-qualified for a position of a mod and he's always active as far as I can see. But still, it is for theymos to decide whether he'll accept a new moderator or not. The local languages boards seemed to be not that moderated appropriately, a Global Mod maybe could help fix things in there?

... but it is necessary to know some languages.

Why does a high % in report accuracy make you a candidate to be a mod?
I just checked mine & it's 87% accuracy yet I have no interest in ever becoming a mod of this or any other forum.
I think we should just let theymos decide if any other mods are needed. It's not a reality tv show where people phone in to vote for their favourite person. This thread is a little embarrassing. Let Quickseller get on with what he does & let the mods moderate.

A high % in accuracy mean, that as you become a mod, most of your decisions would be correct.
Quickseller seems to be doing just fine with his default trust and his reporting. The reporting gets confirmed 95% of the time, and default trust leaves a big red mark, making it very hard for the scammer to trade with that big red trust mark.

some people seem to think that being a member of Default Trust and hunting scams have anything to do with being a moderator  ::)

95%, if true, also means that he only reported obvious stuff, like +1 posts, people that don't read the thread, or that can't speak english, bots, etc. I think a mod is supposed to catch the things that people normally would not catch.

And any staff member can ban newbies, accuracy on reports don't say anything about how a user would handle the banhammer

Some people didn't see QS's reported post count and accuracy  ;)

Don't forget scams are not moderated here so if QS were to start doing that, he would probably be removed pretty quick.

or, he is really good on spotting bad posts that people normally wouldn't catch.

also I think only global mods can ban newbies. patrollers can delete any post by newbies even if they're outside their moderated boards. normal mods can't do jack outside of their moderated boards.

EDIT:
I was wrong, all of them can nuke newbies.

if you're implying that I didn't see that, you're wrong.  :P

it's just that some users actually added being on DT and outing scams to the "why should QS be a moderator" checklist.

and don't get me wrong. I'm actually in the pro QS group.

Usually newbie bots and spams are nuked or banned way quicker than high ranked members if they decide to go mad, so I think the patrollers have some ban hammer.

 As long as he/she is selling account's then i see a potential for "conflict of interest's" problem's arising.
          p.s.
 I don't actually care who the moderator's are and have nothing against Quickseller either.
 I'm just stating the obvious. ;D

Is 95% accuracy something very strange? I'd really like to see a list of top reporters. something like top 5 or 10 with 100% accuracy with 500+ reports (if any), top 5-10 with 99%, top 5-10 with 98% and so on...

Exactly 100% accuracy? Thats damn good.
Top reporters would be good, but the problem is, it would be public, and you would be the "forum snitch". You might receive more negative attention, due to the lots of reports, especially from the people you reported.
You would probably also be harassed more, I don't think this information should be public.

Maybe but still nobody could know which posts were reported by whom so they couldn't get negative attention from the people they reported

ckolivas is the mod -ck?

Still, with quickseller thats 1.6k reports, thats around 1.6k accounts (Only 1 report per account before action is made correct?). Also, its pretty obvious that he reported you, if he makes a scam accusation about you or makes a reply to you or something like that.
Still, having the information public would make you look like a snitch to the community.

Is this true? It clearly explains why even though the posts I reported got removed, I got a low accuracy per cent there.
There was this updownbot.bz guy who made abusive and spam posts, and I had reported some 10 posts of his, then. Dang!

Only reported 29 posts, but since I got some 39% rejected, I stopped reporting (to relieve mods of some useless stuff). May be I should start properly?

I don't know how the report system works exactly but heres how I think it works.
Mods have a chance to do action upon the report, and if any action is done (warning, delete post, ban, tempban), you get the report counted as good, but if they reject it, it doesn't count.
I don't know if the mods have the option to accept the report, however say that you were right. If you were right on the report, the mods would have to do something so I don't think thats the case.

No. What funtrory said is not true. There is no "certain" limits for reporting posts.

What happened in your case is predictable. When you report very few posts, your accuracy % can decrease drastically if some of your reports are bad. It happened to me when I started reporting.

As someone with a lot of reports thats not how it[1] works. Most reports I write are about posts that have been started in the wrong section. Hilarious told me it was very similar for them. I would also assume that this is the case of QS as well, as its the most common thing to report. Yes, there is a spambot here and there or a low quality/offtopic post etc. The big numbers though come from "sorting" threads.


[1] I dont know either how exactly mods handle a report, but thats not what Im refering to. Im refering to "1 report per account" and "1.6K reported accounts".

Who can be bothered to trawl through the entire forum reporting posts for being in the wrong section? It sounds like a fake ass cop like a traffic warden or something, ticketing cars for a little bit of power ;D

I've reported about 25 & most of them are that troll NotLambChop in the speculation section, mainly the wall observer thread for posting gay porn & calling bitcoiners pedophiles.

Anyone who enjoy contributing to various things, including this very forum. There are a lot of rules that tend to be broken and a lot of reasons for reporting on a daily basis. It can range from moving topics, off topic posts to bots and illegal things. I'm currently at 96% accuracy which I consider not enough for myself. However, it looks like QS has spent a lot of time contributing by reporting and by hunting down scammers. Mistakes are acceptable, since we are all human.

It depends on the circumstances. I do not want to go into the specifics since we might stray away from the original point of the thread. Here is just one example: if someone gets nuked, every reported post of his will be marked as handled (i.e. good report).

I am stuck at 86% of accuracy (You have reported 1789 posts with 86% accuracy). However I also think that the accuracy is not the unique thing to consider, maybe also the 'ken' of more languages can help.

I have reported 408 posts with 98% accuracy.

Can't get much more accurate than that baby!   ;)

You have reported 15 posts with 84% accuracy

Guessing I might not make the cut as the next Staff member?  :-[

Me neither ;D - You have reported 50 posts with 88% accuracy

You have reported 61 posts with 78% accuracy (from 40% one or two years ago, that is pretty goood ;))

May be I should have stopped at "You have reported 1 posts with 100% accuracy" ;D

Are people still considering QS for moderator ???

What's the point of bumping this thread? He can NEVER be a MOD now (atleast if the forum needs to be in a TRUSTWORTHY member's hands then he won't be appointed as one).

Maybe it's a useful bump just to remind us that, as the man/woman/child says him/herself:

see my previous post.

Doods, this is a topic about nominating QS to staff, not to post your report accuracy.

(what would be a good idea for another topic, anyway)

there's a thread exactly for that.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1129097.0

BCX bumped it.  I think he was sorta trying to take blame for this suggestion, which is actually very big of him considering how often he acted like a blind cheerleader for anything that QS proclaimed.


Am I allowed to say "I told you so"?

Scams aren't moderated and scammers aren't banned so this wouldn't be any different.

Nah.. now the Flow direction has been changed, he has already been in a lots of shit and probably now not suitable to become a Moderator.
I guess Op should change the Tittle of the Thread.

Now this thread is just about how Bitcoin Express is a terrible judge of character.

That's one thing QS never did. 

Because he doesn't think it was a mistake.
However, it's nice to see signs of maturity on bitcointalk like BitcoinEXpress's once in a while.

He got caught lying outright.  He never once apologized.  If he doesn't think lying is wrong, then I feel sorry for his future.

Maybe it's about time to lock this thread since his/her chances to be a moderator in this forum is gone, unless BitcoinEXpress still wan'ts to nominate Quickseller as Moderator

I think that would be highly unlikely

You probably use firefox then since chrome does not delete the formular contents.

If this happens again then go back and if the form is empty go forward one page in history. Firefox will then ask you to resend the content. If you do then you might get your post sent.

Another tip is that you should install the firefox extension lazarus. It is an extremely valuable extension which saved me a lot of data already, not only on this forum. ;)

The dude's name is Quickseller.

He SELLS ACCOUNTS FOR A LIVING!!

He perpetuated an untold amount of fraud on this forum - on one hand by selling accounts to scammers and on the other by using this information to conduct his own scams - all under the pretense of being a good samaritan detective.

If that isn't a big red flag waving in the community's face, I really can't imagine what is.

In any case, thanks for reconciling your cognitive dissonance :)

Is this still on?  Because if yes, +100000!
Quickseller: The hero bitcointalk deserves