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Title: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: egyproductions on August 19, 2015, 01:04:46 AM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html
has anyone seen this? Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: Dissonance on August 19, 2015, 01:10:02 AM yes and no signed pgp key = fake.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: btccashacc on August 19, 2015, 01:14:11 AM without PGP ???
are you forget about this ? http://www.coindesk.com/hacker-hijacks-satoshi-nakamoto-email/ Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: TibanneCat on August 19, 2015, 01:16:22 AM satoshi@vistomail is a fake address
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: btccashacc on August 19, 2015, 01:17:52 AM satoshi@vistomail is a fake address so i think people must stop discussion about XT because this is fake satosi, and fuder use it to make panic sell Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: cocales on August 19, 2015, 01:18:05 AM Not real.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: tvbcof on August 19, 2015, 01:18:14 AM This: Code: Satoshi Nakamoto satoshi at vistomail.com I've no idea if it is him or not. That is about what I would write if I had developed Bitcoin to the point that Satoshi did and then left the project as he did. If it actually is the guy, I'll feel good about being on the same wavelength. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: Dissonance on August 19, 2015, 01:26:44 AM its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: achow101 on August 19, 2015, 01:27:20 AM satoshi@vistomail is a fake address It is actually not since he used that email address for the very first announcements on the Bitcoin mailing list.It is likely to be a fake email and someone simply was able to get into that email address. Without a signed message with either PGP or known Satoshi addresses, this will considered to be fake. If it is Satoshi, he should see that people want a signed message and will provide it to prove his identity. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: hdbuck on August 19, 2015, 01:28:33 AM from http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/
Quote Peter Todd says: August 16, 2015 at 4:50 pm FWIW, the email account used to send the recent Satoshi email to the mailing list *is* the same one he used to announce Bitcoin – the gmx account that is known to be hacked was one he used later on. Also, it appears the email was from Vistomail, and Vistomail itself has been continuously operating since Satoshi used it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4fth/purportedly_satoshi_posts_to_bitcoindev_mailing/cu48vy5?context=3 Basically either that email account was hacked, or it's really Satoshi. Obviously there's a high probability of the former, but lets keep the facts straight to reduce confusion. further read: http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: btccashacc on August 19, 2015, 01:32:22 AM [quot e author=Dissonance link=topic=1156465.msg12179347#msg12179347 date=1439947604]
its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. [/quote] +1 i agree with you Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: TibanneCat on August 19, 2015, 01:33:20 AM Hmm, must have misread it somewhere else.
I stand corrected :) Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: tvbcof on August 19, 2015, 01:43:09 AM ... further read: http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ Quote As to the MP was rightii part, see for instance 09-09-2014 11:56:30 <mircea_popescu> this has been long said here, the #1 problem with the bitcoin protocol is that it has no specific payment for relays, and it allows separation of mining and relay. And yes, if you're going to play the "first" game, please, bring forth the documentation. (Should you fail to find anything worthy of mention on the line above, you can always try and find an alternative source for that now-widespread technical criticism, which wasn't nearly all that widespread back in December, back when the shitstains were claiming "consensus" and the support of "economists". Good luck.) Shit, I've been hollering about this since I found at that transfer nodes were NOT rewarded which must have occurred back in 2011. Somehow I mis-understood this aspect of the whitepaper and/or some other source I was reading when I was trying to figure out Bitcoin in the first place. Like I've said before, I probably would not have even bothered with Bitcoin had I realized that transfer nodes were not, or were not anticipated to be, rewarded. The security model of the system doesn't make a lot of sense to me without this. Since I took some profits before Hearn got serious about collapsing Bitcoin, I'm glad I made this mistake. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: el kaka22 on August 19, 2015, 01:46:17 AM As I know, this have been discussed here for several times (link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153708.0). Please lock this thread and keep the discussion on that thread.
BTW I think that mustn't be satoshi. He should sign a message from: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: sick of life on August 19, 2015, 01:47:09 AM i think it's fake
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: worldinacoin on August 19, 2015, 02:05:56 AM Anyone can claim anything, you need to back up with proof of the person being the actual Satoshi
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: tadakaluri on August 19, 2015, 02:42:30 AM As many time said already, that mail is FAKE. But it contains some valuable points which Bitcoin community agrees.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: iGotSpots on August 19, 2015, 03:34:59 AM Unsigned = Fake
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: akaman on August 19, 2015, 03:59:35 AM http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html has anyone seen this? This is VERY strange, as I have been transmitted the VERY SAME message telepathically from Satoshi MANY TIMES! Do you think it is a coincidence? Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: megatown on August 19, 2015, 04:32:43 AM Seems legit.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: n2004al on August 19, 2015, 04:39:05 AM No one can tell if he is Nakamoto or not. Only Satoshi himself. So we all can make only hypothesis. The thoughts of the author are goods even i personally don't think that they are the thoughts of Nakamoto. The only thing to hope is that both the groups sit around a table and resolve in the civilized way the discordances between those.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: jdbtracker on August 19, 2015, 04:47:42 AM Lol! meant well, but definitely fake. The market will decide, you could almost say that this is a IQ test for the community. Will people take things off hand... or will they do it the Blockchain way? Linking knowledge to it's source, regardless of it's PGP signature.
Satoshi anticipated the advent of pools, there is little that person did not anticipate. I even read he made Quotes within the source code around any type of weakness that could be thought of, this was from an article where Dan Kaminsky tried to hack bitcoin, but failed... the worse part? Satoshi's comments heckled anyone trying to poke holes in the software. The source code was so confusingly programmed(very likely on purpose) that even the core programmers had a hard time figuring it out; That's what caused the fork we saw years ago going from .7 to .8... any attempt to alter something at the core was like it was programmed in Binary, linking things together beyond assembly language... my take? I think Satoshi could program in Assembly Language; Machine Code. I've read enough about bitcoin and checked it thoroughly... It has delighted me for years to learn the intricacies of Bitcoin, Satoshi will taunt us from their grave, they left nothing to chance. It inspires me every day to try harder to learn more. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: jdebunt on August 19, 2015, 05:31:45 AM Satoshi won't speak on the future of Bitcoin as there are a seelct few people in place to manage everything. Unfortunately, quite a few of those same people decided to start a pissing contest about whose "block size is larger", which is hurting the community.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on August 19, 2015, 05:51:51 AM Unsigned = Fake he has never signed anything. How are you going to verify a signed msg? LOL you cray cray Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: forlackofabettername on August 19, 2015, 06:01:19 AM its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. I think it's great everyone knows what satoshi would and wouldn't do. lol Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: slaveforanunnak1 on August 19, 2015, 06:07:24 AM its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. No one has his public key... he has never signed anything!!! unless you know this guy, you will never ever get a provable signed msg from mr nakamoto http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3r6s76tAv1qhhujio1_500.jpg Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: itod on August 19, 2015, 06:50:28 AM its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. No one has his public key... he has never signed anything!!! unless you know this guy, you will never ever get a provable signed msg from mr nakamoto Not so sure about this, seems to me I've seen something signed. If he really never signed anything, it would be odd for him to start signing now. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: AGD on August 19, 2015, 06:58:51 AM its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way. Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. No one has his public key... he has never signed anything!!! unless you know this guy, you will never ever get a provable signed msg from mr nakamoto Not so sure about this, seems to me I've seen something signed. If he really never signed anything, it would be odd for him to start signing now. lol https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc User-ID: Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com> Validity: from 2008-10-30 19:19 until forever Certificate type: 1,024-bit DSA Certificate usage: Signing EMails and Files, Encrypting EMails and Files, Certifying other Certificates Key-ID: 5EC948A1 Fingerprint: DE4EFCA3E1AB9E41CE96CECB18C09E865EC948A1 Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: Rampion on August 19, 2015, 12:38:44 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: JackH on August 19, 2015, 12:59:37 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. Well said! Could not have said it better myself, especially the last part. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: AGD on August 19, 2015, 02:59:27 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. I agree with everything, but one thing: (1.) Satoshi never had the need to sign a message back in the days, but after his years of disappearance, people will only believe it is him, when he signs a message with his key. He should know that and he created that key for a reason. If he wants to stay anonymous and still wants to communicate with the Bitcoiners, there is no need to reactivate his old accounts, because a new account will be seen as legit as an unsigned message from a (probably) hacked email account. If you think, that he was only about content, then why should he reactivate his old account to sound more legit? If he wants to sound more legit (as the creator of Bitcoin), why doesn't he simply sign his key to make it 100%? I tell you why: Because he can't! Because he doesn't have the password! Because it was not Satoshi, who wrote that and the other messages after his evaporation. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: hdbuck on August 19, 2015, 03:44:12 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. I agree with everything, but one thing: (1.) Satoshi never had the need to sign a message back in the days, but after his years of disappearance, people will only believe it is him, when he signs a message with his key. He should know that and he created that key for a reason. If he wants to stay anonymous and still wants to communicate with the Bitcoiners, there is no need to reactivate his old accounts, because a new account will be seen as legit as an unsigned message from a (probably) hacked email account. If you think, that he was only about content, then why should he reactivate his old account to sound more legit? If he wants to sound more legit (as the creator of Bitcoin), why doesn't he simply sign his key to make it 100%? I tell you why: Because he can't! Because he doesn't have the password! Because it was not Satoshi, who wrote that and the other messages after his evaporation. why would he care about pgp-identifying himself to retards? Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: S4VV4S on August 19, 2015, 04:30:25 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. ^^^ This. Well said. It doesn't matter if the message was signed or if it was Satoshi or not. What matters is what was said, and to my eyes, it seems like it's the right thing. EDIT: Also, (not sure but) I think Satoshi did sign messages when he exchanged mails with Hal. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: Rampion on August 19, 2015, 04:34:41 PM EDIT: Also, (not sure but) I think Satoshi did sign messages when he exchanged mails with Hal. There's no evidence whatsoever about that; if you have a quote, please link to it. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: BillyBobZorton on August 19, 2015, 04:43:07 PM Even if it was fake, that sounds exactly like what Satoshi would say. In any case, XT doesn't need this, XT by itself is proving a failed fork with a hidden agenda to kill any hopes of privacy for the end user, from what I've gathered reading the latest shenanigans.
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: itod on August 19, 2015, 06:53:36 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. Thanks for clarifying things. The fact that such fork as XT could almost be accepted speaks much about current state of Bitcoin. This should never happen, and it's Bitcoin Foundation to blame most. They are so compromised that all important decisions are left to developers to make. This is not optimal, developers interests are not necessarily aligned with the interest of general Bitcoin community. Put your self in developers shoes, if some change would facilitate some new startup witch can make you a lot of money, you would be hard pressed to put community interests in front of your personal ones. There's also an issue that so few people would be able to push for such an important change. It's OK when the issue is technical, but when it's political like this one, consensus on the changes should demand far more individuals then handful of them. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: italianMiner72 on August 19, 2015, 07:32:43 PM hum!!!
how to be certain who he was satoshi???? Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: nachoig on August 19, 2015, 08:24:50 PM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. 1) Are you sure? He has a PGP key, it's here: https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc The good sense says he should sign that message, specially after the incident with the GMX e-mail. 2 and 3) I agree, it's not a fake address. 4) No, you should assume that e-mail was compromised too, until proven the contrary. That e-mail probably remained inactive for years. A lot of e-mail providers allow the re-use of addresses by other people when these addresses remain inactive after some time. Just because no one claimed to have "hacked" that account it doesn't mean that e-mail wasn't compromised. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: gogxmagog on August 19, 2015, 10:33:57 PM This XT debate is turning into a real schism. I'm reserving judgement until the actual truth comes out, and I'm finding all these new XT threads kinda hard to believe
Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: Rampion on August 20, 2015, 10:19:50 AM Unsigned = Fake 1) Satoshi never cryptographically signed any communication. 2) satoshi (at) vistomail is NOT a fake address - in fact it is the email address from which Satoshi originally sent the Bitcoin Whitepaper (http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html) 3) The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html) 4) there is no evidence whatsoever of satoshi (at) vistomail having been compromised (the compromised email was satoshin (at) gmx) About 1): Hero/Legendary members in here should know that Satoshi never signed anything - obviously he did that in purpose, and the reason has to be that he wanted a) plausible deniability, b) a focus on the CONTENT of his messages and not on a "creator" who had the last word on anything. Furthermore, the recent intervention by the "new Satoshi" on the mailing list is consistent with the writing style of the "old satoshi", and so is the content - therefore it is reasonably possible that the message is legit. That said, I don't think it changes anything. Anybody with half a brain understands that XT is a shitcoin launched by two shady individuals with ties with gov agencies and dangerous agendas (blacklisting, anti-tor policies, "proof of passport" for miners, etc.), no need for Satoshi to realize that. 1) Are you sure? He has a PGP key, it's here: https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc The good sense says he should sign that message, specially after the incident with the GMX e-mail. Yes, I'm 100% sure he never signed any a) public communication or b) private communication that was made public by the recipient. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: TibanneCat on August 20, 2015, 12:09:44 PM 4) No, you should assume that e-mail was compromised too, until proven the contrary. That e-mail probably remained inactive for years. A lot of e-mail providers allow the re-use of addresses by other people when these addresses remain inactive after some time. Just because no one claimed to have "hacked" that account it doesn't mean that e-mail wasn't compromised. Vistomail is paid mail There is also the possibility that Satoshi stopped paying for it, the address got deactivated, and later on someone else snagged it Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: YarkoL on August 20, 2015, 02:52:03 PM That kind of manifesto-like tirade is uncharacteristic
of Satoshi's writing style, which features crisp business-like sentences and somewhat idiosyncratic grammar. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: hdbuck on August 20, 2015, 03:09:41 PM That kind of manifesto-like tirade is uncharacteristic of Satoshi's writing style, which features crisp business-like sentences and somewhat idiosyncratic grammar. Lol, if you say so. ::) Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 03:17:42 PM gees people still going on with this ::)
hell i'm anti XT (read my previous posts), but this is 100% fake. the fact that this email has been used a few times in the past, and some rounds trying to fake satoshi's sig (google it, which was spotted so they arent trying that one again) tis a dead giveaway tis fake. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: YarkoL on August 20, 2015, 03:56:22 PM That kind of manifesto-like tirade is uncharacteristic of Satoshi's writing style, which features crisp business-like sentences and somewhat idiosyncratic grammar. Lol, if you say so. ::) That's my strong impression. You can study the corpus of Satoshi's original writing to arrive at your own conclusion. Also I think there is natural language processing software that can be used for analysis. Title: Re: Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT Post by: hdbuck on August 20, 2015, 04:26:18 PM That kind of manifesto-like tirade is uncharacteristic of Satoshi's writing style, which features crisp business-like sentences and somewhat idiosyncratic grammar. Lol, if you say so. ::) That's my strong impression. You can study the corpus of Satoshi's original writing to arrive at your own conclusion. Also I think there is natural language processing software that can be used for analysis. people say he had different ways of writing too. as in there were several people behind it. but my point is no one knows, and will likely never know so better stop acting like we all know everything about satoshi. it is his mail address, one that was not hacked, one that served to post the original WP, so whether or not he/they wrote this message, it is well articulated and coherent with this xt BS. ps: funny that he did not worte in favor of xt tho :P |
