Nakamoto speaks on BitcoinXT

[egyproductions]

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

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[Dissonance]

yes and no signed pgp key = fake.

[btccashacc]

without PGP
are you forget about this ?

http://www.coindesk.com/hacker-hijacks-satoshi-nakamoto-email/

[TibanneCat]

satoshi@vistomail is a fake address

[btccashacc]

satoshi@vistomail is a fake address

so i think people must stop discussion about XT
because this is fake satosi, and fuder use it to make panic sell

[cocales]

Not real.

[tvbcof]

This:

Code:

Satoshi Nakamoto satoshi at vistomail.com 
Sat Aug 15 17:43:54 UTC 2015
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that
a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely
to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.
When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near
unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is
Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it
without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they
claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has
changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I
didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system
while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust
solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and
through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be
both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Satoshi Nakamoto

I've no idea if it is him or not.  That is about what I would write if I had developed Bitcoin to the point that Satoshi did and then left the project as he did.  If it actually is the guy, I'll feel good about being on the same wavelength.

[Dissonance]

its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way.  Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key. 

[achow101]

satoshi@vistomail is a fake address

It is actually not since he used that email address for the very first announcements on the Bitcoin mailing list.

It is likely to be a fake email and someone simply was able to get into that email address. Without a signed message with either PGP or known Satoshi addresses, this will considered to be fake. If it is Satoshi, he should see that people want a signed message and will provide it to prove his identity.

[hdbuck]

from http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearn-releases-code-to-potentially-fork-xtc-from-bitcoin/

Peter Todd says:
August 16, 2015 at 4:50 pm


FWIW, the email account used to send the recent Satoshi email to the mailing list *is* the same one he used to announce Bitcoin – the gmx account that is known to be hacked was one he used later on. Also, it appears the email was from Vistomail, and Vistomail itself has been continuously operating since Satoshi used it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4fth/purportedly_satoshi_posts_to_bitcoindev_mailing/cu48vy5?context=3

Basically either that email account was hacked, or it's really Satoshi. Obviously there's a high probability of the former, but lets keep the facts straight to reduce confusion.

further read: http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/

[btccashacc]

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its fake dude if satoshi is still alive and make a return he wouldn't do it this way.  Also he would be smart to know that nobody is going to believe him without a signed key.  
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+1 i agree with you

[TibanneCat]

Hmm, must have misread it somewhere else.
I stand corrected  

[tvbcof]

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further read: http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/

As to the MP was rightii part, see for instance

09-09-2014 11:56:30 <mircea_popescu> this has been long said here, the #1 problem with the bitcoin protocol is that it has no specific payment for relays, and it allows separation of mining and relay.

And yes, if you're going to play the "first" game, please, bring forth the documentation. (Should you fail to find anything worthy of mention on the line above, you can always try and find an alternative source for that now-widespread technical criticism, which wasn't nearly all that widespread back in December, back when the shitstains were claiming "consensus" and the support of "economists". Good luck.)

Shit, I've been hollering about this since I found at that transfer nodes were NOT rewarded which must have occurred back in 2011.  Somehow I mis-understood this aspect of the whitepaper and/or some other source I was reading when I was trying to figure out Bitcoin in the first place.

Like I've said before, I probably would not have even bothered with Bitcoin had I realized that transfer nodes were not, or were not anticipated to be, rewarded.  The security model of the system doesn't make a lot of sense to me without this.  Since I took some profits before Hearn got serious about collapsing Bitcoin, I'm glad I made this mistake.

[el kaka22]

As I know, this have been discussed here for several times (link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153708.0). Please lock this thread and keep the discussion on that thread.
BTW I think that mustn't be satoshi. He should sign a message from: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa.

[sick of life]

i think it's fake

[worldinacoin]

Anyone can claim anything, you need to back up with proof of the person being the actual Satoshi

[tadakaluri]

As many time said already, that mail is FAKE.  But it contains some valuable points which Bitcoin community agrees.

[iGotSpots]

Unsigned = Fake

[akaman]

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

has anyone seen this?

This is VERY strange, as I have been transmitted the VERY SAME message telepathically from Satoshi MANY TIMES!

Do you think it is a coincidence?

[megatown]

Seems legit.