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It seems the issuer of BitRush, chinook, now has deleted my two posts in his self moderated thread. That actually is a bad sign regarding what i have to say. So i need to repost it as a new thread.

I was escrow for that ICO, until he now deleted my posts, and i have the investors coins safe in the escrow address.

I only now saw that he has changed the ICO Bitcoin address. That address is not from me, it is an address he owns!

So here again what i posted:

I've added your post on my pool to inform the users, thanks for your info

Investing in ICOs is like giving away your money. Anonymous payments + untraceable = Free cash.

Daylight robbery..


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I'm now in await of the scam accusation thread against me. Well... the support i have to do now is not funny. :D

Though the actions he took after me posting that lets me stopping him to trust in any way that one of his suggestions could be fine. I mean i already wrote that i will repost when he deletes the post but he did it anyway and replaced the escrow address with an address he funded since yesterday. ::)

For everyone who wants to get a refund. Besides signature, if you really can't figure out how to do that, you can send an amount i specify to you to the old ico address. If you send exactly that amount to the address i give you and it comes FROM the address you sent from, then i can refund you too.

Signatures would be way easier though so i prefer that. :)

Thank you for the tip!

It will be useful for anyone else who has had this problem.

thanks for destroying the project for the users.

i just want to know how can chinook have control of the btc sent to escrow addy?

Maybe you must rather tell the community why did you change the btc escrow address.

if he did not destroy it
there will be someone who will destroy it
so it will just end up destroyed

SebastianJu good job mate

Chinook does not have control of the escrow address. I received pm's notifying me about two deleted posts in his thread 2 hours ago. One was the warning and one me showing the escrow address.

I then checked the OP and i saw that i was changed 2 hours ago too and the escrow address was changed. So i gave chinook red trust and opened this thread to warn everyone. His actions of hiding things and preventing investors from deciding himself made this needed.

I will check back with badbear if he can tell me when the first post was deleted. When it really happened already 10 hours ago then the OP has shown clearly that he only wanted to scam. In fact i saw the edit time of the post and it matched my deleted pms. And i doubt that suddenly 5 bitcoins went into this ICO, in a couple of hours, while the whole ICO only receive 0.5 Bitcoin in 2 days.

Anyway... everyone should know to NEVER send coins to an address someone quoted or posted, claiming that the address came from an escrow. That is a common scam and if this really happened then the funds in that address are at the mercy of chinook. Since he already claimed he will not refund it might mean that these funds are lost.

Thanks! ESCROW, I was abt to send a little BTC before end - thought it was a legit project with good development going.
Shame on you Scammer - I hope Karma like this catch those CBIT devs too.

same things he did in XUP
send a large amount of btc to get large share in his own coin
when altcoinstep make explorer all the of it was revealed
the fake ico and the fake burned address
but babur is still pumping XUP in yobit
at first i think he is a investor that can get over
but he post in the thread that he already sell all his coin and later
he pump it again to make a buy wall and dump
i think if this was not revealed a same scenario will happen

Actually its a group that does such things and they have a decently big network of alts, big enough to make it difficult to catch them all. We are currently gathering info and slowly gonna fuck all their anns , specially future projects.
PS: burning addresses should be the kind of ddogepartyxxxx or the chance of it being held by someone is high.

I would like to add to avoid ANN-Threads that are selfmoderated. Every legit business would be interested in discussing and clearing out problems when they arise. Hiding them is not a good sign.

It might make sense to have a subforum for altcoin-announcements where posts can't be edited. Or the announcements subforum is changed that way. I will see if the forum staff thinks that is a good idea.

Happy to give my side here:

On the 14th Sept I was approached by  ฿abur via twitter and asked if I could create a coin as advertised in my CoinAid thread (CAID) I of coarse said yes, and XUP was born the actual SRC and Win wallet was handed over on the 16th Sept.

On the 21st September the same person ฿abur  asked If I could create another coin, and of coarse the answer was yes, and BitRush was born and the SRC and Win Wallet was released to the buyer on 26th Sept.

Then out of the blue last night a Get a message from chinook

Subject Hey

hey mate, i have a little problem, ive uploaded the source code to github, and not realizing the first commit was with xupdev. ive since fixed it, but one user has seen this, and inboxed the escrow service im using and blabbed about scam.

this is not intended on being any kind of scam.

im going to inbox the escrow im using and let him know to inbox you and confirm that you uploaded the source as you were working on/fixing a certain part of the code, and you have somehow committed as the wrong user.


if you can fix this, im happy to contribute 0.1btc your way and more if ico is a success.


My reply to this message was:

Who put it on github for you ?

I really cant and dont want to get involved with this, I have a good rep on here and do not wish to lose it, and to be frank im not overly impressed with the XUP fiasco.


I also received a message from the BitRush escrow ( The starter of this thread ) and my reply was:

Sorry for the delay.

I can CONFIRM this is linked to the XUP coin, I'm not sure chinock is terminator, but in my opinion there are three of them all in it together and that definitely includes the XUP dev.

I can also confirm that I created both the XUP coin and the BitRush coin and sold them to the same person the second coin being sold before XUP went scam.

I have just told chinock I am not happy with his or his groups antics with the XUP coin and will not lie about the fact ( even after he tried to offer me a 0.1BTC bribe lol )

Anyway my advice is stay clear of them.

If you need further info/PM transcripts please just ask.

Cheers
Crunck

Which im sure the OP can confirm.

Then if you want a laugh I have got home from work today to this :

hey um you going to refund me for leakin private info and pritty much scamming me xup was never a scam im still working on it i sold bitrush of to a friend that i was  helping make his coin and now his project is wrecked as well
3 hrs 3 hours ago
 ฿abur
 0.6btc and you can have the coins back seems as you have fucked everything up and also you said to me everything is confidential so what have you got to say for yourself
3 hrs 2 hours ago
 ฿abur
 send  here 16zxXg54vFWWRa1KzMhk2chZXRPfrBT3ih


Can you believe that lol

My reply was:

What are you talking about ? I have leaked nothing, your friend chinook contacted me last night and said he got found out for using the same github account... i said nothing, then your friend gave my name to the escrow who in turn sent me a PM asking if I had uploaded bitrush and XUP to github, which i didnt ... so get your story straight before blaming others for your scamming friends mistake !


Anyway there you have it, and now im stuck with my XUP :(


If you need any further info please just ask... I would also like to state for the record that the escrow IMO is totally honest and has been put in a horrid position by these people and immediately contacted me on being forwarded information relating to this discovery  so please dont take it out on him :)

Cheers
Crunck

haha Epic ...  Baburr want his Money back ... funny shit .


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171544.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171544.0)

he should not get refund, he should learn that scams like that should not pass

Thanks for stepping in crunck. And yes i can confirm that crunck is the developer i spoke about. The message he quoted is correct.

Sorry to hear that you lost with this too now but i certainly like that you are honest, since yes, reputation and trust is very important if you want to stay in the community. :)

I opened a thread in meta to request the altcoin announcement subforum changed to the forum post edit rules of the auction subforum. So that you can not edit posts in there anymore. Or that a subforum for ICO's gets created that host these settings.

I think that could further stop ico scams from happening. Maybe write in there your opinion so that the staff might consider it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1198831.new#new

i dont think that crunck ever think about an refund ^^ ....   lets Keep serious,  why should crunck take care
about the Projects from his customers :-)   if they pay the Fee for this Services everything is fine .

and 0.3 BTC is a good Price in my opinion. if u compare this to the ico volumes

sinclery

TillKoeln


and dont Forget to Purchase/Order Your New Coins at Coinaid !!!

Well allow me not to sympathize with him. While apparently honest, he enables anyone to be a scammer. His clients CAN NOT code but they present themselves as talented people with legit intentions........... he knows all this and while he isn't doing anything illegal, it is highly immoral knowing that you provide the main tool for people to scam the noobs and some others in this forum.

Oh come on!

Its no different from a car sales man that sells a car to someone who then goes out and ram raids a shop.

XUP on paper looked good, hence why I have some now, and I don't just leave my customers high and dry, I can develop the coin further for them if they so wish.

Do you think PC world should credit check and police check potential computer buyers just in case they might hack someone ?

I have also made other coins for people that are doing incredibly well and are listed on cryptsy, and trex with a high volume, its just unfortunate that in this instance the end users were idiots....

he is just a service provider he do that to promote her own coin
i think nothing is wrong in that atleast her service is legitimate
he cannot prevent what her customer will do in her work
everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face
i think XUP have a plan but start there lies when there are no buy support in their ICO
and after ICO another lie about burn address
i dont think Crunck will predict that it will happen in his own work
but let skip that right now crunk is right here revealing all what he know

I don't know how a car salesman operate but I would like to believe they won't sell you a car if you can't drive and have no driver's license. Buyer took it out of the parking lot and run over a pedestrian.......... car salesman just laughs it off?? he sold him a car knowingly that the idiot can not drive

Point taken.

I don't wish to get into an argument here, I just provide a service and up until now all has been great and of coarse I shall not be building any more coins for these people, at least not knowingly.

Because of the recent development of the Situation i am closing the pool.

Please stop mining and withdraw your remaining funds. Thanks

WOW this is to much scams never stop  and lies about burn coin stealing from the investor they deserved to go to jail if you ask me stealing is stealing no matter how it done .....

This is the best thing to do glad you did that ....

I have read it as if he did not know what will happen and that he sold the second coin before the first one went scam.

At the end he is like someone selling a casino script. The new owners might use it to scam. Or a knife seller. It might happen that the knife gets used for bad things.

So far he could have put everything under the carpet to prevent publicity and gain 0.1 bitcoin. He chose not to so i think that is a good sign. :)

I wrote a bit more with the user who gave me the tip of his findings about the github commit and the shilling of certain known users. It was AltcoinSteps, the issuer of StepsCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173385.new#new and it looks to me like he is a genuine altcoin fan who tries to stop altcoin scams from happening.

So thanks AltcoinSteps for finding the hints and letting me know so that further harm could be prevented. :)

Lets hope the community gets more cautious as a whole so that scams get seldom more and more. :D

I got my refund from SebastianJu.  Took me three tries to get my message signed correctly.  He was very thorough as he should be in confirming I own the btc address.

Thanks.


-tb-

Thanks for checking in and confirming that the refunds are handled techbytes. :)

As an altcoin enthusiast it is very important for me that the altcoin scene needs to be cleared up of scams and all the negative publicity.  We as devs and coders have the expertise to check codes of coins and it will be great if more devs start to do the same so we can rebuild trust in the altcoin community.

Escrow services are very important in the altcoin community and it is very good to see that SebastainJu took the necessary steps to expose a scam.

My sincere apologies to miners who lost on this coin and I sincerely hope that soon there will be legit coins, with good devs to mine.

I don't have a working computer at the moment, so I don't have a wallet to withdraw them to. Ah well. Just keep the BSH I leave and I will chalk this up as another lesson learned in the grand world of crypto. Not like they're worth anything anyway. :-)

look at this a newbie takeover those scam coin
it look like the same person to me aged account and just post today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1199392.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1199392.new#new)

well said. The madness must stop. Accountability is very important in Altcoins to build trust in this technology. I hope we can all come together and build a new way to make  successful coins. Whilst ICO's can boost the progress of a coin; it can also hinder future projects if these threads are riddled with scam. Cheers to a better Altcoin environment.
more devs should donate their time to make good coins great, and I think we can build a better environment.

the Problem is 50/50 by the users too :-)
all People want 10000000000000000% Profit @ [InsertRandomCoinName]  in the next 40 Hours !
but they get pissed when they loose 10% from her Investment.

Or insist that the escrow dude (SebastianJu in this case) starts and controls the [ANN] or redemption thread.

Interesting idea that did not came up to my mind yet. :) In fact that could be a way to go. Of course at the start of the topic it must be made clear that the issuer is another person.

But it sounds like a doable way. I do not see any problems with that at the moment.

If it is the same person than it was cleverly done by first not wanting to give the coin up and then it happens.

I was asked if i will forward the remaining funds to the new coin owner though at the moment practically all coins are already refunded or it is handled to refund them. I can't send the coins to a random person without the investors telling me to do so.

This thread was moved to Altcoin Discussion. I think that's fine now. I guess everyone who invested knows about that till now.

they have the list of who invest that bitcoin or maybe some of them already send you PM
i think they will not continue it anymore
new coin owner say that he will not get any BTC from doing that takeover
if the first coin owner told you that you need to send the remaining BTC to new coin owner
dont send any of it because he already told us that he will not get any BTC from it
that will be the proof that they are the same person
and its not better also to send it chinook because he is a scammer
it means your only choice if to send it back to the real owner

Yes, at that point i can not send anything anywhere without the consent of every proven investor. Otherwise it would raise questions when i sent it and the investor asks me why i did so.

Anyway... since the new owner took over, whether or not he is the same person as the first coin owner, did he say something about that he received the investments that the scammer received by changing the escrow address to one of his addresses? Or did the scammer keep these coins? It would be interesting to know if they were pushed.

he said that scammer kept the coins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1199392.msg12589230#msg12589230