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This was posted to Reddit almost a month ago.  I quoted the pertinent part, but there's a link to the original and a screenshot in case it is taken down.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1107zp/hear_say_about_the_east_coast/
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/benjamindees/reddit.png


So, I don't know about you guys, but I don't really believe that the US government now has the ability to predict massive flooding a month in advance.  They can't even seem to get the weather right one day in advance most of the time.  And disclosing this is apparently treason?  Doesn't sound right to me.

Because, DHS head (and FEMA boss) Janet Napolitano doesn't seem too concerned.  She seems focused on cyber-security:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2012/11/01/dhs-secretary-napolitano-uses-hurricane-sandy-to-hype-cyber-threat/

And economists are actually claiming that the hurricane will be good for the economy.  The Federal Reserve is gearing up to print more money:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49625920

Obama is being praised by everyone, Republicans even, for the speed of his response.

Think maybe he had a head start?


P.S.-
I just happened to stumble upon this YouTube comment while researching this:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/benjamindees/FEMA.png

Fort McPherson is apparently a FEMA site as well as military.  Several months back, the rumor was that soldiers from Ft. McPherson had dressed as local police and blew up the house of a local "prepper" who raised chickens (http://www.google.com/search?q=chicken+man+roswell).  This rumor was corroborated by an interview of the local police chief, shortly after the explosion, saying that his officers were not on the scene at the time, which conflicted with eyewitness reports.

Also relevant:
http://www.infowars.com/national-guard-whistleblower-doomsday-preppers-will-be-treated-as-terrorists/

As for what this has to do with Bitcoin, well, that's a bit complicated.  But the short story is that all of this, all of the military Keynesianism, the un-budgeted black-ops projects, the wars and destruction, are all funded by fiat money-printing.

It's not about prosperity, or "economy".  It's about centralization, and control.  If blowing up your house, or flooding your town, increases centralization and control, they will do it.  And afterwards, they will print money to rebuild.  The GDP and economic "efficiency" will rise, and most of us will be worse off.

But there will be lots of jobs.  And lots of people dependent upon government.  And lots of voters.

And that's all they care about.

I'm just going to leave this here....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

I'll get this info to someone with 10K followers

http://www.prisonplanet.com/chris-matthews-hails-hurricane-sandy-for-aiding-obama-re-election.html

i don't see how the storm helped Obama

Show me proof that someone can create a storm out of nothing, then direct the path and strength of it, and maybe I'll believe you.

Yes, I know it's not "proof", but still...

http://www.infowars.com/the-father-of-weaponized-weather/

Cloud seeding is not too difficult.  That's been going on for over 40 years.

http://www.infowars.com/hurricane-aerosol-and-microphysics-program-the-dhs-research-project-on-hurricane-modification/

But I think the prevailing state-of-the-art would probably involve using something like HAARP to create low-pressure zones by heating the ionosphere, and using this to steer the jetstream.

This article gives a decent overview:

http://endthelie.com/books-and-reading-material/haarp-exposed/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

I was in the area of this 'experimental' storm:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=south%20dakota%20cloud%20seeded%20storm&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ias.sdsmt.edu%2FPublications%2FRapidCityFlood-ASDennis.pdf&ei=zeuaUOT6BZG60AGB_IC4Cw&usg=AFQjCNHgSpsx_of3adMZwaiGEu0Ocd4BbQ

We had to seek shelter while camping, it was pretty bad. 

Agreed.  It actually hurt him in that area. 

11 million less people voted in this election than 2008

http://www.thenation.com/article/170918/hurricane-sandy-greek-tragedy

http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m03/att-0004/01-facepalm.jpg

you've earned it.

Did you actually read the paper you linked? It's interesting, I recommend you do.

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts). If anything like what you are claiming were to be true, you would be sure to hear about it from other countries who would try to use it to demonize the US even more.

So, you're saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other governments would pick a fight with them?

Well, when you put it that way... ;)

But seriously, how many Russian citizens are actually in danger from a hurricane?

Zero evidence except a story written on reddit.  Silly.

Yes climate engineering (geo-engineering) is real and maybe they have been weaponized.

...written a month before the hurricane.

I wonder if this is what Tesla had in mind when he worked on this technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26YLehuMydo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26YLehuMydo)

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Do you know of any models capable of predicting accurately a week in advance, much less a month? Too many unknown variables.

Like this one?

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastAug2012.pdf

There may be even more accurate forecasts that are not disclosed publicly.  What we should not do is get off on some tangent like this with pretty flimsy evidence.  I agree the timely is quite interesting but if that is all we have, might as well move on.  Too many dead-ends.  Instead we should be talking about real issues that we can actually do something about.

So, your defense against allegations of a cover-up is... a possible cover-up.

I agree though that this is hacking at the branches.

No defense.  What I am saying is if you are going to take on speculation like this, you need hard tangible evidence or all you have is a good story.  That is why investigations are essential and archiving information & evidence as soon as it happens is crucial to build a case.

The prediction is interesting, but not in itself proof. After all, how many people make predictions every day that never come true? Finding one that did is like finding a few dice that came up six after dumping a couple hundred on the table. But saying that it's just a weather forecast is equally fallacious.

I said it "could" be.  

No, I'm saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other countries would know it, and if US used it against its own citizens, other countries would have huge front-page headlines about how awful the US government is, and huw much better Russia/China/Iran/France/Whatever is.

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Uh oh. I think someone saw an episode of the GI Joe cartoon from the 80s and mistook it for a documentary :(

Cobra was just make-believe imo.

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

Guess we'll have to disagree on that one.
I guess another question would be, why would the government use this against its own people? It can't be to help Obama, since the military is typically republican, and Obama wants to cut military spending. It all just doesn't add up.

Why, then, do you assume the other governments would be?

I think you have a lot of unexamined assumptions.

They're all guilty of something. That they may be innocent of this is irrelevant.

I agree with Rassah on this.

The government is made up of human beings, just like us.  Sure, there are some hidden secrets, but large-scale conspiracy theories rarely hold water for long, because with too many human beings involved, one of them is liable to make a mistake, crack, or otherwise inadvertently (or advertently) reveal the secret.

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

If it was a small device, why is it that no one else could figure out how to make one?

We have seen technology get smaller and smaller and it seems like the smaller it is, the harder it is to produce.  Also it would not necessarily be a machine but rather a technique or some conjunction. 

As to your question, who knows?  That is a very open-ended question.

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

I never said single user.   People use flimsy responses to speculation that anything odd has to be a large scale operation and then use that has why is couldn't happen because something would leak.  Secrets are kept and things are have major influence does not always need to be large.

My mistake, you said small group, not single user.

Regardless, there's no reason to think anyone is anywhere near the point of being able to steer a hurricane with any sort of device, let alone a small one. The energy required would be immense, and it would be orders of magnitude beyond anything any group as publicly demonstrated.

I think so as well but I didn't want to be so dismissive to the OP which is interesting to say the least.  Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals, they deserve debate and discourse (usually) go through the due diligence.  We don't want to be closed minded and we also don't want to just jump off the deep end at the same time.  This is the core of critical thinking and analysis. 

True, but we don't need to argue about 2+2=4.  Some things are obvious enough to not warrant much discussion.

All it might be is that the Military has extremely advanced weather prediction technology not available to civilians yet.

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

Yes you are.  You know why, re-read my final response on that if you have forgotten.

Oh, you mean this?

It's hardly extreme to want to know if you do or would have life insurance is it?

On the other hand, dodging that question like you have strikes me as extremely intellectually dishonest.

As did your refusal to acknowledge that companies are made up of private citizens, and several other statements I've seen from you recently... including the one that I quoted first in this discussion.

I never said, I refused to let you take me down your little fringe logic road to try and build a case for  nuclear weapons for private citizens.   You're obviously out of touch with reality and would implement dangerous policies for everyone if given the chance.  Good day.

Aww, don't be like that... I'm just curious. I honestly just want to know whether or not you do or would have life insurance.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

how is a magnet not free energy? does the magnet 'wear out' as its used?

Let's say that the pull of a magnet on a stator of the generator at closest approach is 1. As the magnet on the rotor nears closest approach, the magnet's pull increases towards 1, speeding up the rotor. As the magnet on the rotor passes closest approach, it gradually decreases from 1, slowing down the rotor. The net effect is 0.

then how do you explain this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDeK6rprA4#t=1m38s

You'll note the first one is never moved from the carpet. If you look carefully at 2:24, you can see a coin cell battery in the second "prototype". (you'll note that this is also the side where the wire attaches, and it conveniently disappears into the tape). I suspect heavy use of magnetic reed switches.

Have you tried this yourself? Seems a simple enough hack.

The magnet is as much an "energy" as gravity or a coil spring. It only pulls something together when you pull it apart. In other words, it can store a little bit of energy if you pull two magnets apart, and use it up when you let the two magnets come back together, but you can't get energy out of setting up magnets in some weird configuration any more than you can out of stretching rubber bands in the exact same configuration.

The only reason electricity, actual energy, works from magnets is because a mechanical force can use magnets to shove electrons around inside a wire. Mechanical energy (usually a steam engine) moves magnets around, those magnets attract electrons and move them inside a wire, and magnets on the other end of the wire are attracted to the same electrons, and move after them too. In a way, it's exactly like a pulley system: move the wheel on one end, and it tugs at the ropes and moves the wheel at the other end. That's how all electrical motors work. All that the magnets do is attach themselves to electrons.  The energy to move those electrons has to come from somewhere, and it's not the magnets themselves.

so maybe that one is a scam, but all the rest of the videos online?

i'll try to build a different one

You cannot replace an electromagnet with a permanent one, no matter how powerful, at least not in a motor. The whole point of using electromagets is so that you can switch them off at closest approach, and let the next magnet take over pulling.

Electro magnets work because the electricity is making the magnetic fields in the magnets move. In permanent magnets, the magnetic field is standing still. It's "permanent." Unless you can figure out how to make a permanent magnet with a moving magnetic field, you'll never be able to build a free energy machine.

do you believe in perpetual motion machines lets say without solar power and not free energy?

alright B&&*s where the $(&# is the power coming from for this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6Qait2JGY#t=3m12s

He has a copper coil suspended in a magnetic field. Applying a voltage (probably across the nails) will cause it to move.

Seriously, a basic knowledge of electrical principles is all you need to know to be able to spot the bullshit.

No, I do not. Energy can not be created or destroyed. It's a law. And I have a doctorate level education in this subject (though not an actual degree), so keep asking away.

That video is of a simple motor. The wires on either end of the coil have the insulation stripped on one side, and the nails have electricity hooked up to them. Here's a video of how it works
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=it_Z7NdKgmY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dit_Z7NdKgmY

Please take the magnet nonsense to another thread.  It is completely irrelevant.

okay after I see how much these guys will bet
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136137

sncr
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2800/4504012062_cd412cea7d.jpg

Fuckin Juggalettes, why are they naked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXRAQyiqx-M#t=8m28s

WARNING: Under 18 Don't click link above

I hadn't actually even seen this before now, but this guy seems to have come to the same conclusions around the same time as I originally made this post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZC51TDYKsU

Award-winning meteorologist Scott Stevens spent a decade studying weather modification, and says in this interview that hurricane Sandy is being manipulated to create as much rainfall as possible (this was before it even made landfall).  He even decided to relocate to a small, self-sustained community in the mountains of Colorado as a result of his research.