The Hurricane Sandy False Flag

[SgtSpike]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

I agree with Rassah on this.

The government is made up of human beings, just like us.  Sure, there are some hidden secrets, but large-scale conspiracy theories rarely hold water for long, because with too many human beings involved, one of them is liable to make a mistake, crack, or otherwise inadvertently (or advertently) reveal the secret.

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

If it was a small device, why is it that no one else could figure out how to make one?

[Dalkore]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

I agree with Rassah on this.

The government is made up of human beings, just like us.  Sure, there are some hidden secrets, but large-scale conspiracy theories rarely hold water for long, because with too many human beings involved, one of them is liable to make a mistake, crack, or otherwise inadvertently (or advertently) reveal the secret.

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

If it was a small device, why is it that no one else could figure out how to make one?

We have seen technology get smaller and smaller and it seems like the smaller it is, the harder it is to produce.  Also it would not necessarily be a machine but rather a technique or some conjunction. 

As to your question, who knows?  That is a very open-ended question.

[MrTeal]

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

[Dalkore]

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

I never said single user.   People use flimsy responses to speculation that anything odd has to be a large scale operation and then use that has why is couldn't happen because something would leak.  Secrets are kept and things are have major influence does not always need to be large.

[MrTeal]

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

I never said single user.   People use flimsy responses to speculation that anything odd has to be a large scale operation and then use that has why is couldn't happen because something would leak.  Secrets are kept and things are have major influence does not always need to be large.

My mistake, you said small group, not single user.

Regardless, there's no reason to think anyone is anywhere near the point of being able to steer a hurricane with any sort of device, let alone a small one. The energy required would be immense, and it would be orders of magnitude beyond anything any group as publicly demonstrated.

[Dalkore]

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

I never said single user.   People use flimsy responses to speculation that anything odd has to be a large scale operation and then use that has why is couldn't happen because something would leak.  Secrets are kept and things are have major influence does not always need to be large.

My mistake, you said small group, not single user.

Regardless, there's no reason to think anyone is anywhere near the point of being able to steer a hurricane with any sort of device, let alone a small one. The energy required would be immense, and it would be orders of magnitude beyond anything any group as publicly demonstrated.

I think so as well but I didn't want to be so dismissive to the OP which is interesting to say the least.  Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals, they deserve debate and discourse (usually) go through the due diligence.  We don't want to be closed minded and we also don't want to just jump off the deep end at the same time.  This is the core of critical thinking and analysis. 

[SgtSpike]

If you're going to hypothesis a small single user weather control device, why not also include a battery powered rail gun with backup 16MW laser, just to make it really dangerous?

I never said single user.   People use flimsy responses to speculation that anything odd has to be a large scale operation and then use that has why is couldn't happen because something would leak.  Secrets are kept and things are have major influence does not always need to be large.

My mistake, you said small group, not single user.

Regardless, there's no reason to think anyone is anywhere near the point of being able to steer a hurricane with any sort of device, let alone a small one. The energy required would be immense, and it would be orders of magnitude beyond anything any group as publicly demonstrated.

I think so as well but I didn't want to be so dismissive to the OP which is interesting to say the least.  Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals, they deserve debate and discourse (usually) go through the due diligence.  We don't want to be closed minded and we also don't want to just jump off the deep end at the same time.  This is the core of critical thinking and analysis. 

True, but we don't need to argue about 2+2=4.  Some things are obvious enough to not warrant much discussion.

[thebaron]

All it might be is that the Military has extremely advanced weather prediction technology not available to civilians yet.

[myrkul]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

[Dalkore]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

[myrkul]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

[Dalkore]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

Yes you are.  You know why, re-read my final response on that if you have forgotten.

[myrkul]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

Yes you are.  You know why, re-read my final response on that if you have forgotten.

Oh, you mean this?

If you want to engage further, you should go into the last couple issues we have discussed and maybe come closer to me from the extreme position you have stuck too.

It's hardly extreme to want to know if you do or would have life insurance is it?

On the other hand, dodging that question like you have strikes me as extremely intellectually dishonest.

As did your refusal to acknowledge that companies are made up of private citizens, and several other statements I've seen from you recently... including the one that I quoted first in this discussion.

[Dalkore]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

Yes you are.  You know why, re-read my final response on that if you have forgotten.

Oh, you mean this?

If you want to engage further, you should go into the last couple issues we have discussed and maybe come closer to me from the extreme position you have stuck too.

It's hardly extreme to want to know if you do or would have life insurance is it?

On the other hand, dodging that question like you have strikes me as extremely intellectually dishonest.

As did your refusal to acknowledge that companies are made up of private citizens, and several other statements I've seen from you recently... including the one that I quoted first in this discussion.

I never said, I refused to let you take me down your little fringe logic road to try and build a case for  nuclear weapons for private citizens.   You're obviously out of touch with reality and would implement dangerous policies for everyone if given the chance.  Good day.

[myrkul]

Too often we are totally dismissive too radical ideals

Oh the irony of this statement...

No irony, we have exhaustively discussed AnCap vs. The State so maybe you should get your history straight or quit being intellectually dishonest.   More you respond the more I see what you like to do.

I'm being intellectually dishonest?

You won't even answer a very simple question. I wonder why?

Yes you are.  You know why, re-read my final response on that if you have forgotten.

Oh, you mean this?

If you want to engage further, you should go into the last couple issues we have discussed and maybe come closer to me from the extreme position you have stuck too.

It's hardly extreme to want to know if you do or would have life insurance is it?

On the other hand, dodging that question like you have strikes me as extremely intellectually dishonest.

As did your refusal to acknowledge that companies are made up of private citizens, and several other statements I've seen from you recently... including the one that I quoted first in this discussion.

I never said, I refused to let you take me down your little fringe logic road to try and build a case for  nuclear weapons for private citizens.   You're obviously out of touch with reality and would implement dangerous policies for everyone if given the chance.  Good day.

Aww, don't be like that... I'm just curious. I honestly just want to know whether or not you do or would have life insurance.

[Rassah]

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

[420]

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

how is a magnet not free energy? does the magnet 'wear out' as its used?

[myrkul]

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

how is a magnet not free energy? does the magnet 'wear out' as its used?

Let's say that the pull of a magnet on a stator of the generator at closest approach is 1. As the magnet on the rotor nears closest approach, the magnet's pull increases towards 1, speeding up the rotor. As the magnet on the rotor passes closest approach, it gradually decreases from 1, slowing down the rotor. The net effect is 0.

[420]

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

how is a magnet not free energy? does the magnet 'wear out' as its used?

Let's say that the pull of a magnet on a stator of the generator at closest approach is 1. As the magnet on the rotor nears closest approach, the magnet's pull increases towards 1, speeding up the rotor. As the magnet on the rotor passes closest approach, it gradually decreases from 1, slowing down the rotor. The net effect is 0.

then how do you explain this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDeK6rprA4#t=1m38s

[myrkul]

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.

Well, in that case the issue would be physics. It would take an enormous amount of energy to create or control a hurricane, and anyone using anywhere near that amount of energy in the atmosphere would get instantly detected. So, too big of a conspiracy to keep secret + physics don't work out = crackpot theory, and thus I dismiss it same way I dismiss "over unity" machines based on magnets and such. Sure, we should engage and debate radical ideas and concepts, but not when they are so far out in the extreme and so easily disprovable.

how is a magnet not free energy? does the magnet 'wear out' as its used?

Let's say that the pull of a magnet on a stator of the generator at closest approach is 1. As the magnet on the rotor nears closest approach, the magnet's pull increases towards 1, speeding up the rotor. As the magnet on the rotor passes closest approach, it gradually decreases from 1, slowing down the rotor. The net effect is 0.

then how do you explain this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDeK6rprA4#t=1m38s

You'll note the first one is never moved from the carpet. If you look carefully at 2:24, you can see a coin cell battery in the second "prototype". (you'll note that this is also the side where the wire attaches, and it conveniently disappears into the tape). I suspect heavy use of magnetic reed switches.

Have you tried this yourself? Seems a simple enough hack.