The Hurricane Sandy False Flag

[jasinlee]

I wonder if this is what Tesla had in mind when he worked on this technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26YLehuMydo

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[Dalkore]

Zero evidence except a story written on reddit.

...written a month before the hurricane.

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

[myrkul]

Zero evidence except a story written on reddit.

...written a month before the hurricane.

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Do you know of any models capable of predicting accurately a week in advance, much less a month? Too many unknown variables.

[benjamindees]

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Like this one?

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastAug2012.pdf

TSR continues to predict the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season will see activity close to the long-term
 (1950-2011) norm. TSR reduces its forecast for US landfalling hurricane activity to 10% below-
       norm. The precision of TSR’s early August outlooks for Atlantic hurricane activity
                                   for the past decade is good.

[Dalkore]

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Like this one?

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastAug2012.pdf

TSR continues to predict the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season will see activity close to the long-term
 (1950-2011) norm. TSR reduces its forecast for US landfalling hurricane activity to 10% below-
       norm. The precision of TSR’s early August outlooks for Atlantic hurricane activity
                                   for the past decade is good.

There may be even more accurate forecasts that are not disclosed publicly.  What we should not do is get off on some tangent like this with pretty flimsy evidence.  I agree the timely is quite interesting but if that is all we have, might as well move on.  Too many dead-ends.  Instead we should be talking about real issues that we can actually do something about.

[myrkul]

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Like this one?

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastAug2012.pdf

TSR continues to predict the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season will see activity close to the long-term
 (1950-2011) norm. TSR reduces its forecast for US landfalling hurricane activity to 10% below-
       norm. The precision of TSR’s early August outlooks for Atlantic hurricane activity
                                   for the past decade is good.

There may be even more accurate forecasts that are not disclosed publicly.  What we should not do is get off on some tangent like this with pretty flimsy evidence.  I agree the timely is quite interesting but if that is all we have, might as well move on.  Too many dead-ends.  Instead we should be talking about real issues that we can actually do something about.

So, your defense against allegations of a cover-up is... a possible cover-up.

I agree though that this is hacking at the branches.

[Dalkore]

This could be a long-range weather forecast as well.   

Like this one?

http://www.tropicalstormrisk.com/docs/TSRATLForecastAug2012.pdf

TSR continues to predict the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season will see activity close to the long-term
 (1950-2011) norm. TSR reduces its forecast for US landfalling hurricane activity to 10% below-
       norm. The precision of TSR’s early August outlooks for Atlantic hurricane activity
                                   for the past decade is good.

There may be even more accurate forecasts that are not disclosed publicly.  What we should not do is get off on some tangent like this with pretty flimsy evidence.  I agree the timely is quite interesting but if that is all we have, might as well move on.  Too many dead-ends.  Instead we should be talking about real issues that we can actually do something about.

So, your defense against allegations of a cover-up is... a possible cover-up.

I agree though that this is hacking at the branches.

No defense.  What I am saying is if you are going to take on speculation like this, you need hard tangible evidence or all you have is a good story.  That is why investigations are essential and archiving information & evidence as soon as it happens is crucial to build a case.

[myrkul]

What I am saying is if you are going to take on speculation like this, you need hard tangible evidence or all you have is a good story. 

The prediction is interesting, but not in itself proof. After all, how many people make predictions every day that never come true? Finding one that did is like finding a few dice that came up six after dumping a couple hundred on the table. But saying that it's just a weather forecast is equally fallacious.

[Dalkore]

What I am saying is if you are going to take on speculation like this, you need hard tangible evidence or all you have is a good story.

The prediction is interesting, but not in itself proof. After all, how many people make predictions every day that never come true? Finding one that did is like finding a few dice that came up six after dumping a couple hundred on the table. But saying that it's just a weather forecast is equally fallacious.

I said it "could" be.  

[Rassah]

So, you're saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other governments would pick a fight with them?

No, I'm saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other countries would know it, and if US used it against its own citizens, other countries would have huge front-page headlines about how awful the US government is, and huw much better Russia/China/Iran/France/Whatever is.

[Dalkore]

So, you're saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other governments would pick a fight with them?

No, I'm saying that if the US government had a hurricane machine, other countries would know it, and if US used it against its own citizens, other countries would have huge front-page headlines about how awful the US government is, and huw much better Russia/China/Iran/France/Whatever is.

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

[mccorvic]

Uh oh. I think someone saw an episode of the GI Joe cartoon from the 80s and mistook it for a documentary

Cobra was just make-believe imo.

[Rassah]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

[Dalkore]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

[Rassah]

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

Guess we'll have to disagree on that one.
I guess another question would be, why would the government use this against its own people? It can't be to help Obama, since the military is typically republican, and Obama wants to cut military spending. It all just doesn't add up.

[myrkul]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

Why, then, do you assume the other governments would be?

I think you have a lot of unexamined assumptions.

[benjamindees]

the government

there you go, indicting the entire government as usual...

[myrkul]

there you go, indicting the entire government as usual...

They're all guilty of something. That they may be innocent of this is irrelevant.

[SgtSpike]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

I agree with Rassah on this.

The government is made up of human beings, just like us.  Sure, there are some hidden secrets, but large-scale conspiracy theories rarely hold water for long, because with too many human beings involved, one of them is liable to make a mistake, crack, or otherwise inadvertently (or advertently) reveal the secret.

[Dalkore]

I am not saying their is or is not a weather machine.   But, why would you think automatically other governments would know it?

Please always keep in mind that the US government is not the only government in the entire world, that the US government has many enemies, and that those enemies have a lot of spies and espionage programs around US (including foreign satellites and monitoring outposts).

Wow, so you equate that just because governments have spies, surveillance & satellites that something this damning would leak.  If something is meant to be secret, it will be, the government only plays that it is incompetent.   

I agree with Rassah on this.

The government is made up of human beings, just like us.  Sure, there are some hidden secrets, but large-scale conspiracy theories rarely hold water for long, because with too many human beings involved, one of them is liable to make a mistake, crack, or otherwise inadvertently (or advertently) reveal the secret.

Who is to say a weather machine would need a large scale operation?  It could be a small device that only needs a relatively small group of people to operate it.