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New thread to replace one unfairly smearing Israelis as responsible.

I suggest the Usual Suspects.

Right. Like Osama Bin Laden.    ;D

These days it could be anybody.. IS, Russian extrements, Ukrainian retaliation.. the list is too long.

I feel symphathy for the victims and knowing the Russians.. Poetin.. it won't take long before they retaliate.

My guess Russian interference in the middle east made them a target for extremist. In a way it is good, so Poetin can't keep his eyes closed, and start contributing to a solution over there..

I hope the truth will be known. Nothing has disappeared in the deep of an ocean. All the parts are in the desert, waiting to be picked up by analysts, so I'm surprised we still don't know what happened. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that someone is hiding facts.

All true.  But they are out there picking up those parts.  And I suspect that whoever did it will soon find the wrath of the russian people focused a hundred fold on them.

There are many truths. From the government, from the media, from the religion and others.

Choose where to believe .

Seems like the Russians are also accepting the fact that there was a bomb on the flight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/confusion-reigns-at-egyptian-airport-amid-british-evacuation/2015/11/06/6cb177c0-840c-11e5-8bd2-680fff868306_story.html

Egypt is in deep shit now. After the Giza shooting and the massacre of the Mexican tourists, this incident was the last straw. The Egyptian tourist industry is never going to recover from this.

I'm certain that some would like the tourists to keep coming.

Because the more innocent they are, the better headlines the murders make.

The tourists will keep flowing in, no matter what happens. Remember the Tunisia attack? A total of 38 tourists were killed by a sole ISIS terrorist on the Sousse beach. Out of that, 30 were from the United Kingdom, and three were from the Republic of Ireland. But after a few months, the Brits started to flood Sousse once again, attracted by the steep discounts and promotional offers.

Have they or anyone else accusing the bombing on terrorism actually produced any evidence yet? Call me a conspiracy theorist but I have yet to see anything but hearsay from the powers that be. Not saying it wasn't a bomb either but that would be more convenient for them.

Bomb on a Catering beverage Cart brought down the Airbus A321-200.

Bosses at the catering company which delivered food onto the doomed jet on the morning of the crash have now been interrogated by Egyptian investigators as a result.

I find it very suspicious that even before the intermediate investigation results were known, as evidence was still being collected, first US and then UK came out with statement that according to their sources it was a bomb...

I don't.   Quite a few countries simply don't have government or private staff with training to investigate aircraft crashes, and call in the US to help.

As for your immediate suspicion, all it takes is the chemical analysis of explosion residue on items from the plane to state "bomb."   That isn't exactly requiring any sort of "conclusion" of intermediate investigation results.  It IS the conclusion.

... And who are the usual suspects?

The people who do this are all terrorist thinking that they can make the world a better place by hurting others

Not sure who the usual suspects are at this point, it could have also been the goverment trying to set people up

Perhaps they wanted to scare Putin. The message was that "if you bomb the ISIS in Syria, then they will blow up your passenger planes full of children". But these idiots don't know anything about Putin. This incident will only make him more resolved to wipe out the ISIS jihadis. Islamist nuts will never know what hit them.

I'm sure they have some alternative agenda. Let's face it they can't just spin a regular old plane crash for anything. The UK has just pushed through some massive spy legislation that requires them to collect all internet data usage and store it for a year so they can say "look see why we need this". Don't believe anything they say.

Well, I thought I'd start this thread to make the prior thread go away.  You know, the one that blamed it in the header on the EVIL JOEEEWWWSS?  Yeah.  Didn't seem fair.  So here's a thread where you can blame it on anyone you like.  Equal Opportunity!

I know whom I think did it.

That's the guys that say they did it.

And yes, this is putting Putin in a bad mood.  And you do not want to do that.

I got a feeling that makes American Waterboarding look like a birthday party for a 6 year old.

Keyser Soze?

No seriously - break down your motives? I can't see the clear reason to kill that many people, I'd be surprised if it was a Western government.

I don't see who benefits. Good on Russia for cleaning up ISIS, nobody likes those guys - that much is clear. I've never seen the world so united against a group - and yet our world leaders are divided...

"MOSCOW (AP) — President Vladimir Putin says Russia's air campaign in Syria has proven the military's increased combat readiness and capability.

Putin said at a meeting with defense officials that "the counter-terrorism operation we are conducting on the Syrian leadership's request has proven that."

Russia has deployed several dozen jets at an air base in the Syrian coastal province of Latakia, which have flown more than 1,600 combat missions since Sept. 30.

Moscow has said that its aircraft has targeted the Islamic State group and other terrorist organizations, but Washington and its NATO allies have criticized Russia for targeting moderate rebel groups fighting Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Putin said Monday that Russia's military modernization program has been successfully implemented, with defense plants churning out new jets, missiles, navy ships and other weapons."

This is the question I have been asking about the LONG, LONG tradition of bombing airliners out of the sky by MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

It starts with Yassir Arafat.

Somehow in their minds it makes sense.

I see it only as a diffuse and vague "War against the Western World."

But may I am totally wrong - probably so...

The Egyptians and the Russians don't have to worry about those loony extreme-leftist human rights activists, unlike the Brits and the Americans. Human rights should be for normal humans, and not for the terrorists who behead and kill innocent people. Once an individual commits a terror act, he foregoes his right to humane treatment.

Now Russian authority also accepted thats its because of bomb. Its a huge loss. This year is full of tragedies. Hope next year will bring peace and happiness!!

Not yet. They haven't confirmed that the cause for the plane crash was a bomb. A few of the officials have hinted that it might be a possibility, but no one has said anything concrete on this regard. There are many considerations. Some 90,000 Russians are stranded in Egypt right now. The first priority would be to transport them back to home.

It's unofficial, but Putin has acknowledged it's a bomb by cancelling all Russian flights to Egypt besides empty planes to bring back Russians still out there. I'm waiting to see what he will do next.

I feel sorry for Egypt. Not long ago, I recommended buying a apartment in Hurghada as an investment. There will be even more opportunities, now. Only, for Arabs, though.

I feel sorry for Egypt in many ways.  Like not bringing their population out of illiteracy, bowing to radical Islam, depending on tourism, depending on foreign handouts, including billions from the USA.

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Russia have not yet confirmed, but the Mossad claims that in this russian plane, blew himself up an russian citizen..

Ah yes, here it comes.

The insinuation that the Evil JOOOOEEEsss did the dirty deed.

A reference link to the "Mossad claim" would be nice.

Not a reference to a claim that "Mossad claims."

An actual reference to the Mossad claiming.

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So do you think the terrorist did it?

Planes that disintegrate do so either from mechanical faults, weather, pilot error, or terrorists.  As this has been determined to be a bomb, by definition that means it was a terrorist.

Russians blew up the plane so people feel sad for their people and be quicker to forget how they blew up that plane in Ukraine.
"We are not terrorists we are also a target of terrorist attacks, just like you."

They are a target of terrorist attacks, just like us.

As for your other comment - that's a bit like claiming that some mom who was so unfortunate as to have one of her sons murdered in cold blood decided she'd just murder her other son, just to get more attention.

That's crazy talk.

I think ISIS did it. I am no paranoid about it. They did not want Russia to intervene civil war in Syria.
So they tried to give Russians a warning.

Your rampant Russophobia has resulted in extreme hallucination and schizophrenia. It was the American backed regime of Ukraine which blew up the Malaysian passenger plane over Donetsk. If it was not the case, then why the US refrained from releasing the satellite data? Russia doesn't care about its pubic image. So unlike the Western nations, they don't indulge in cheap gimmicks to improve their reputation.

http://vz.ru/news/2015/11/17/778530.html
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/479722
http://rushincrash.com/forces/fsb-will-pay-50-million-for-assistance-in-apprehending-blew-a321/



FSB offers $50 million reward for those who will provide information about terrorists, who are responsible for A321 tragedy.

I read it was a laserbeam from Israel!

https://irenecaesar.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/israel-shot-down-russian-passenger-plane-by-laser-weapon-iron-beam/ (https://irenecaesar.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/israel-shot-down-russian-passenger-plane-by-laser-weapon-iron-beam/)

Does put the blame with Israel, or actually with 13 families who for some reason are always mentioned when disaster strikes. What's up with that?

Whoever shot it, a laserbeam is pretty cool.

Well, I have to hand it to you, your link is pure crazy talk.  Here 'ya go-

All the recent airplane crashes had the same pattern — usage of a bomb on a plane to conceal the testing of the direct energy weapon, probably with the elements of psychotronic weapons. The area of 18 km for the debris of the plane excludes the crash due to falling out of the plane’s tail, and even the surface-to-air missile. Israel is not a country, it is a military base of the transnational group of bankers, all of whom are Satanists. This group of Satanists is at war with Russia.

I mean, in just a couple sentences we've got psychotronic weapons, Satanists at war with Russian, and giant lasers, evil bankers and of course Evil Jooooeesss.

Many peoples says,putlers fsb bombing own russian plane.

"Many peoples says"? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_madhouse/crazy.gif http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_madhouse/sarcastic.gif

Dude, just write in russian or ukrainian. English is definitely not an option for you. ::)

Yeah, there's probably some moderator rule about not doing other languages but I certainly don't care.  We can all google translate.

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To me it seems likely that they aren't going to do so. Just try to take a closer look to his posting history, you will notice that this guy is trying to impersonate himself as some abstract version of native english speaker. It's a very common feature of political trolls because they have been paid to perform this scenario. In my opinion, such individuals are nothing but shame of their own nation.

The funny thing is that they have been exposed more than a year ago, after the publishing of censor.net Chief Editor's email archive. An archive contains the discussion about hiring some trolls with a purpose of "creating a picture of overwhelming western support". Unfortunately for trolls, these emails were DKIM signed, and that was a catastrophic failure. Any reasonable person or governing body would have refused this strategy after such a failure. Apparently, the Ministry of Information doesn't fall into this category. Bloody hell, they're hiring trolls instead of paying pensions or trying to subsidize the disabled people, this doesn't seem a rational investment.
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ISIS already admitted the crime even releases photos of the bomb used to bring downed the plane.

This is Pure Evil and Hate Being Directed at ALL of Humanity.

The World Must Come Together To RID THE PLANET of this Plague on Humanity

We KNOW the Countries that continue to Give Safe Harbor to The ISIS #$%$ ... It's Time To Hold Those Countries 'Accountable' for providing that 'Zone Of Safety' for these Cowards using the cloak of 'Religious Extremism' to 'justify' their Hatred of Humanity!

The Muslim Faith Is Not 'At Fault' ... 'Religious Extremists' are the Source of this EVIL!

You mean this one?

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/667003886062972929/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

According to FSB, the TNT equivalent of explosive device was ~1.5 kg. Relative efficience for the most of industrially produced plastic explosive composition is in range from 1.1 to 1.25, so the minimum requred amount of explosive would be ~1.2 kg. It's too much for 0.33l can.

So this photo is just a fake, even if we would forget about these ridiculous red/green LEDs. :D Looks like IS mostly consists of incompetent attention whores, who have wasted too much time on movies.

Good work.

Hi

This is still most likely the radicals that did this.

People keep saying it was the cia israelis etc.... but i find this highly dubious.

Thanks

On reflection I differ with the estimate of the "TNT equivalent," as the statistical uncertainty is not provided.  And it's likely quite high.