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Harry is right though, but just thought it was the idea of how wars were won.  So I took out this comment.

Are you kidding? This IS what ISIS is doing in Syria to the Syrian people. Murdering, pillaging, raping, eradicating those who they think are infidels.

It's awful.

And your facts on the US are terrible incorrect. Yes, there was a lot of fighting and killing but there wasn't rape, there wasn't forced marriage, there wasn't mass murder. Please get your facts straight or lose the passive aggressive approach toward your distaste for the US.

 Its not really my thought, I do not hate the US, but your telling me native Americans weren't murdered? conquered?  from their own country?  Edit and women weren't raped?  

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/native_american2.html

Here is some history for you oh and maybe you should do bit more digging, cause I had done my long fair share of getting educated.

oh and the sad thing till this present day, they are still being raped. :-[

Here is much great info how rape is a tool of war in time of history http://historiann.com/2008/04/07/rape-still-a-powerful-weapon-of-war/

Obama said we are not at war with Islam. Hillary Clinton said we should empathize with the terrorists. John McCain wanted to arm, train and pay them. No American leader wants to defeat ISIS / ISIL. ISIS fragments and weakens all the countries that neighbor Israel and Saudi Arabia. Mission Accomplished!

Lets hope that france is make isis so fruatated..and they were give up :)

Try to speak with them for non violence and call them conference to know what they need. try to fulfil that because Instead fight again with them and loosing people's life. International leaders could try to speak with them for any remedy.

The solution lies not in defeating hate. We must contain hate, preferably in a little cage, so we can look at it so as not forget why we love. A bit like those stones, orbs?, in the Marvel movies: in the wrong hands it can destroy the universe.

As soon as hate disappears, whatever is left will become divided over time if we forget our past. Do not reinvent the wheel.

Do not try to defeat hate, it's not your equal. Only defend against hate.

Sometimes the best defense...

Mountain roads often have rocks on them. These rocks fall off higher places in the mountains and land on the roads. Often there are road signs that say something to the effect of, "WATCH FOR FALLING ROCKS."

If you are driving on a mountain road, and you come around a bend in the road, and there is a rock in the road, and you don't have time to stop or swerve, you hit the rock. The rock gives you a flat tire. You get out of the car and go over to the rock. Do you hate the rock? No! You simply move it off the road, and go back and fix your flat.

Same with ISIS. You don't hate them. You simply move them out of the way like you did with the rock. If some of them die in the process, it wasn't hate. It was simply fixing a problem. It was their own fault that they were a problem. No hate involved... at least not on your side.

:)

I hate isis.. Why not?

Everyone has a moment of hate now and again. At least there is a little animosity.

Hate corrupts the life of the hater. It pushes him away from doing the logical things that it takes to remove the object(s) of his hate.

ISIS is a rock in the road. Forget the hate and get down to moving the rock out of your road in whatever ways you can.

:)

ISIS is possibly to defeat only with army, not negotiation or peace talk because they don't talk, they just kill.
How to defeat hate?
Each of us have to find answer to this question.

First step would be to we destroy that Caliphate after that we fight them at our home. It will not be easy, we (Europe) are flooded with those goatfuckers.

Get countries to start building nuclear bombs of substantial sizes and powers.
It will scare IS into surrendoring, also, put marks on the bombling planes warning of nuclear weapons onboard (when there isn't any!). Just to annoy them!

Actually, I think that IS may be a good thing as it has brought Europe, US and many other countries togethter with a shared ambition, which is a great Thing.

ISIS are human.
Human are expendable as long as we keep fighting until there's no more ISIS left

First there was open borders in Europe, then there was political correctness, then there was multiculturalism, then there was ISIS, then there was a swarm of Muslim immigrants to Europe, then there were bombings in Europe by Muslims.

Destroy them all. The best would be if almost all their followers would gather in one place and than destroy them.This is not mater of religion because they use religion as a cover they are insane,sadistic,cruel creatures.

That's crazy talk.  Obviously you don't know many (if any) native americans. 

Isis didn't appear suddenly, it were years of creation..As i know local sunny tribes in northern iraq which couldn't do anything while Husein ruled in all mess after US intervention started gathered themselves and started rising. They probably always practiced this violent radical version of islam (if it has something with kuran) but in silence in their tribes and then get strength and organized in ISIS. They always existed there just were minor. The only way is to destroy them and radical islam

It's history. All of the world murdered and conquered. The US is a great country, ISIS land is hell.  :)

You dumb?
How do you do that?
The main idea of a terrorist group is that it's more or less secret... We don't exactly let ISIS terrorists hang out, it's just that we don't have a fucking clue on where they are that's all!

Now ISIS spread around Europe, who know how much of them came as 'refugees' and now wait in European cities and organize them. Attack in Paris was organized from Belgium.

Yeah sure let's all be very frightened about the refugees. That's indeed the most dangerous thing in Europe! Let's totally forget how fucked we are from behind by the capital...

I wonder why did US had to involve in this war against Bashar al assad regime?
This is done deliberately just like in Libya.
It is obvious they need strong hand , dictators or we will have islamic state based on sharia law..
Only possible solution is to have a dictatorship in those arabic countries.

If you look at Libya before intervention was quite country without any problems.
people were much more satisfied and happier. Today thay have a chaos, rising instability, refugees, islamic extremist terrorising people..
Why?
Dictatorship is bad i know i don't like it but only good thing in those country was in time of those dictators..

Guess people among all nations especially those who are being terrorized by ISIS ought not to merit them the hate they are soliciting.

This is practically their primary goal. To spread fear and terror among everyone. That is so it would be much easier for them to penetrate deeper into the system and get what they want.

So there is no difference between terrorists in middle eastern countries hiding behind women, children, schools, mosques and such; and terrorists hiding behind refugees in Europe?

don't worry their working on war with Russia and China plenty of countries to destroy yet Always a new boogie man for the US imperialists and war contractors.

All those now destroyed countries with dictatorship were very prosperous, rich and without problems. Why? Because those radical tribes must keep calm. They probably performed their interpretation of islam quiet, but in public no problems. When so called 'democracy' came all evil spread. Now Europe have big problem.

i totally aggree with you.. isis and us are not the same thing.. this is so unfair..

Nuke the Middle East. And at this stage of the game, we're going to have to nuke Europe as well.

By the way. Don't nuke out of hatred. Nuke them emotionlessly, coldly and calculatingly.

:)

I'd prefer to wait for Skynet, thanks.

Nuke Skynet, too.    :)

Destroy them it's the only way. They are sadists and insane, and they are hiding behind religion. Today is arrested woman of one of leaders of ISIS

Unfortunately, ISIS is only the latest in hundreds of incarnations of radical Jihad, going back decades.  Today it is a new phenomena, though.  It is an Internet and cellular phone based radical Islam.  This does not have a central "Head" of an organization which if it is cut off, the organization dies. 

It's necessary to combat, and beat them in the world of ideas.  This means showing them why it is wrong to hate Jews, why it is not okay to cut off hands and feet, and why it is a bad idea to stone women to death.

I am of the opinion that the radical grows from the moderate, which is already quite radical by Western standards.  These people believe that "Islam is perfect," by the way.  Failures occur in people that try to follow Islam, but not in Islam itself.

We British tried doing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10eLCX9Bnk
And look what happened

So now we wait for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ealCuCWzpOQ

When all along should be doing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NidBgt9pdv8

US works on destabilization of whole region, and as always they came as saviors of humans rights and democracy but in reality, they care only for crude oil.

I have to say yes. However different terrorist organization they are - they still share one common goal. And that is to instill fear among nations. Basically for their own self profit.

All countries have commercial or strategic interests but you can't convince soldiers or citizens that these are good reasons. They need "bad guy", "terrorist", "the new hitler","democracy" or some other kind of social motivation. Turn on your TV and you know who the new bad guys are  ;D

You are blaming the US but Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and tons of others are doing the same with different social motivations.

Challenge for Defense Secretary: Get Arab Allies to Do More to Combat ISIS

BRUSSELS — When Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter convenes a meeting here on Thursday to cajole about two dozen of his counterparts into contributing more to the American-led campaign against the Islamic State, he will face one of his biggest leadership tests since he took office a year ago.

President Obama told Mr. Carter in December that as the administration intensifies its efforts against the Islamic State, other countries — particularly Arab ones — need to do more. Mr. Carter said Tuesday that he was confident he would leave the meeting this week with pledges of aid like air support, special forces, trainers and money.

But foreign policy analysts and former American diplomats say that while the administration may gain some help from European allies, it continues to miscalculate what the Arab countries are willing to do.

“The thing is, the Islamic State is nobody’s top enemy,” said Ryan C. Crocker, a former United States ambassador to Iraq. “For the Turks, the enemy is the Kurds, and for the Sunni Arabs, it’s Iran, followed by Assad,” he added, referring to President Bashar al-Assad of Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/world/middleeast/challenge-for-defense-secretary-get-arab-allies-to-do-more-to-combat-isis.html?ref=world

We are blaming the US because it is the root cause of terrorism around the world. Ever since the end of the WW2 in 1945, the United States have invaded or triggered proxy wars in more than 70 countries. The Al Qaeda was funded and armed by the CIA, at least in the starting phase. The Americans have toppled secular governments in the middle east, and have replaced them with hardline Islamist regimes.

I remain sceptical. What makes you think other superpowers don't do the same?

Russian wars since the end of WW2:

Korean War
Hungarian Revolution
Invasion of Czechoslovakia
War of Attrition
Eritrean War of Independence
Angolan Civil War
Ethio-Somali War
Soviet-Afghan War
War in Abkhazia
War of Transnistria
East Prigorodny Conflict
Civil War in Tajikistan
Georgian Civil War
First Chechen War
War of Dagestan
Second Chechen War
Russo-Georgian War
North Caucasus Insurgency
Annexation of Crimea
War in Donbass
Intervention in Syria

Chinese wars since WW2:

Chinese Civil War
Invasion of Tibet
Korean War
Vietnam War
Sino-India war
Sino-soviet border conflict
Sino-vietnamese war
Balochistan conflict
Syrian War

In addition, America with its gun freedom is keeping the rest of the world free. How? The leaders of the other nations of the world are afraid that if they enslave their people too much, the people will take a hard look at American gun freedom, and will make guns, themselves. Then the leaders of these nations will die, at the hands of their own people they were enslaving.

:)

Which Russia are you talking about? Russia was not existent from 1917 to 1992. Perhaps you need a few history lessons as well. The USSR is not equal to Russia. The USSR was a union of 15 different republics, including Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan.etc. Now if you want to compare USSR with the US, then it is for another topic.

Also, if I remember well, USSR wasn't involved in Korean War but China.
In Angola Cuba send soldiers, not USSR.
Any way, let's back to original question.
You can defeat organization or state but can't defeat hate.
Hate is individual issue, and each of us have to deal with it.
Nobody can fight with feelings of people :)

Yes, someone wants civil war to break out in Europe. But it's too late to defend ourselves, just look at this subsection, people are digging their own graves

That's why war kills the other people. Can't defeat them simply fighting them.    :)

i agree with you .. god save the us.. isis are full of bastards..

I have known a fair number of native americans.  I don't know any that would put historical events in the terms you have (bolded above).  The white man came, and the Indians got horses.  They liked horses.  The white man brought them guns.  They liked guns.  The white man brought liquor.  They liked liquor.  (IT WAS REALLY BAD FOR THEM AND STILL IS.)  Many Americans today are part Indian.  I find your comments offensive (lol, not that it matters...)

we have isis in Europe and probably in USA...and all this raping,assult is already happening...their hate is impossible to destroy if you do not destroy them, their ideology

Perhaps you need a few history lessons as well. Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. 1917–1993.  
Western world view is that Soviet Union as a Union that collapsed, Russians view it as Russian territory that got lost.

Cut funding.  Ideology loses its potency when you are hungry.

Attack the infrastructure.  They will fold like a house of cards.

It was a union but not by choice. Russian military bases were established to make sure it stayed a union.  Russian language was the official language and was actively encouraged. All jobs required a good knowledge of Russian.  For any managerial positions you had to be an ethnic Russian from Russia proper.  Even in satellite, Warsaw Pact countries.  USSR was (Greater) Russia.

What you think Putin is doing?  He is trying to 'Make Russia Great Again' so he is flexing his aged muscles where ever he can.

To completely remove the nonsense "religion" things... People are easily believes this concept and do what it wants to them...

Listen idiot, the Soviet-Afghan War was between the USSR and Afghanistan. It was not being fought between the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and Afghanistan. Invasion of Czechoslovakia was done by USSR, and not the RSFSR. In that case, you can also say that Estonia and Lithuania invaded Afghanistan. After all, they were also a part of the USSR at that time.

No more good arguments?  :D Russia was involved in those wars.

It won't be easy because millions of jihadists are now in Europe disguised like refugees. In Afganistan Al Quaeda, ISIS in middle East, Boko Haram in Nigeria, it looks like radical isalm spread across whole world

No. The Russian Federation was not involved in them. The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was indirectly involved in those conflicts. And so was Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic, Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic, and the 10 other constituent republics of the USSR.

the best way let the Muslims fight their own fights as that part of the world is not worth let alone the thousands of our wounded and dead.

That is what Russia is doing in the Middle East. They are just providing aerial support to the regime in Syria, while the Kurds and the regime forces are fighting the ISIS / Al Nusra. The same is the case with Yemen as well. The Shiites and the Sunnis are fighting against each other, with Iran supporting the former and the Saudis supporting the latter. Western powers need to stay out of Middle East.

Miltarily?

How about cutting off the massive foreign aid dollars while we're at it?

Ah! And if we let them alone, where will we find our natural ressources?

Don't forget that we're in those regions because we need everything they have that's all...

Bah.  We BUY STUFF, not take it.

i share same ideas with you .. we should their ideology for the sake of our world's safety if not whole world would be conquered by those terrorists..

the historical memories of some people and escpecially US Americans seem to be not greater then the memory of a mayfly.

like wtf are you people posting here? is this a new episode of sliders?

you people should really go back to the flat earth thread and talk about nasa hoax and the great god made glass dome.

Hmm.... You know between buying at 1% of the price we sell it back and taking it... Well the difference is low...

Look at how we "buy" the salt in Peru dude xD
45000% of margin, I wouldn't really call this anything but thief! xD

Then who is your complaint with?  Your corrupt government officials?  Or people in some far away market?

Salt is a commodity on the world market.  It is fungible.  We buy salt at MARKET PRICE.  Nobody even knows or cares where it comes from.  (there are some technical exceptions, I try here to make a generally true statement).  So who are you "blaming?"  The world?  The companies that buy?  The USA?  Dude, it makes no sense.

This is true of most commodities, that their prices are set by market, by competitive bidding and selling.

http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/

You can drill down to every lot of a commodity and what was bid and asked for it.

yes i agree with you .. we should attack all the isis places and destroy all of its shelters... then there will be no isis on this earth..