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I was pretty stupid yesterday. It was late, and I was tired. But I wanted to get some BTC. So I found a guy on bcchanger that was selling BTC by paypal. We started talking by mail/chat, and he sent me and invoice.

I payed immediatly, but the BTC never arrived. The guy is not answering anymore. And of course, after googling for his email address, I found out he scammed more people as well.


How stupid I am...

Well, what should I do now? Dispute, not authorized operation in paypal? I keep all the emails and logs of the conversation.

Thanks for your help

I'm surprised, The most likely outcome of the situation could of been you becoming the scammer. By no means am I am accusing you of anything however once he sent the bitcoins you could easily charge back the payment and have both the money and bitcoins.

But to answer your question, yes you can cancel the transaction and receive all your money back providing of course you did not send the money to him as a gift, that often causes problems.

Yes, I can imagine you would suspect about me. I learnt a lesson yesterday, and now I wouldn't trust anyone.

BTW, I didn't send the money to him as a gift. He made an invoice with notes saying that I was not allowed to dispute the transaction, blah,blah. What would be the way to cancel the transaction? I have started both a dispute and a no-authorized payment. But none of them seem to return me the money.

And really, for everyone out there, at least google the guy's email address before making a transaction with someone! I always did it, but not this time. :(

Easy mistake to make, I've delved into things before without doing my research, its just one of them things you learn from experience.

His note on the invoice does not count for nothing by the way so try not to worry to much about that.

Here is something I copied from paypal


Step 1 - Identify issue
Most disputes are the result of simple misunderstandings. It's best to initiate communication with the seller as soon as you recognise a potential problem.

You can open a dispute in the Resolution Centre within 45 calendar days of payment. By opening a dispute, you are able to communicate directly with your seller to work out a problem transaction.

If you and your seller are unable to agree on a solution, you must escalate the dispute to a PayPal claim within 20 calendar days of the date the dispute was opened. By escalating to a claim, you would be asking PayPal to review the case and decide the outcome.



Step 1 - Open dispute right away
You can open a disputeA buyer asks for a seller's help in resolving an issue with a transaction. in the Resolution CentreLocated in My Account, the PayPal resource for resolving issues between buyers and sellers. to contact a seller directly and resolveA buyer and seller come to an agreement and close the case, or PayPal comes to a decision and closes the case. a problematic transaction. You have 45 days from the payment date to open a dispute. Common reasons for opening a dispute include:

You paid for an item but haven't received it and the seller is uncooperative or nonresponsive.
You received an item that was significantly different from how it was described.
Click the Report a Problem button in the Resolution Centre to open a dispute. Then, provide more information about the issue and post a message to the seller.

Transactions older than 45 days cannot be disputed but should still be reported. PayPal tracks seller performance trends in the event we need to take action to protect other buyers.



Step 2 - Negotiate to resolve dispute
You and the seller have 20 days to resolve the dispute or escalate it to a PayPal claimA buyer or seller asks PayPal to review a dispute and decide the outcome..

The seller reviews your message and replies in the Resolution Centre. This is your opportunity to communicate directly and resolve the issue by exchanging message posts. Communicate clearly and include suggestions about how to resolve the issue, such as through a full or partial refund.

PayPal can view all posted messages in case the dispute is escalated to a claim.

We place a holdRestricting the funds associated with a dispute so they cannot be withdrawn from a buyer’s or seller's PayPal account. on all funds related to the transaction until the dispute is resolved or closed.


Step 3 - Close the dispute or escalate to a claim
You can closeTo end a dispute or claim. A closed dispute cannot be reopened or escalated to a claim. We automatically close disputes after 20 days unless they have been escalated to a PayPal claim. a dispute if you and the seller reach an agreement.

Otherwise, you can escalate the dispute to a PayPal claim within 20 days of opening the dispute. You must wait seven days to allow for postage before escalating a dispute to a PayPal claim for an item not received. We automatically close disputes after 20 days.

Wait until you are 100% satisfied with the resolution before closing a dispute. A closed dispute cannot be reopened or escalated to a PayPal claim.

Select the open dispute in the Resolution Centre and click the desired action at the bottom of the dispute details screen to close or escalate a dispute.

We require more information from you when you escalate a dispute to a PayPal claim.


Step 4 - We investigate and resolve the claim
By escalating a dispute to a claim, you are asking PayPal to review it and decide the outcome.

We try to resolve cases within 30 days, but complex cases may take longer to investigate, deliver a final decision, release any funds and close the case.

You and the seller may be subject to specific deadlines for new information. We use the messages exchanged in the Resolution Centre, along with other details, to determine the outcome.

You can track the progress of your claim and respond to requests for information in the Resolution Centre.

We notify you when we come to a final decisionPayPal's decision resolving and closing the case..


It will take time however you will get your money back and the other idiot will have his paypal account limited.

Please post his name and email here.  I think I know who it is. 

Just ask for a chargeback, your money will come back.

That's why usually it's the other way. You send bitcoin and the scammer pay with paypal and then ask for a chargeback.  So he will have both btc and his money.

Scamming someone that pay with paypal is retarded, you just ask for a chargeback and problem solved.  ;)

Thanks for the info :)


Now I think I made another mistake, I was googling like hell trying to find a way to recover the money. And after opening the dispute, I also opened a non-authorized use of my paypal account because I read some people recommending to do that. I don't think it was the brightest idea though. Now it's all joined in the same dispute, and the people of paypal will see that I opened first a dispute and then a non-authorized payment. I dont think it will help me  ??? I know myself, and I always act too fast when I freak out... but well whatever, let's see how paypal can help me. I've been her user for more than 7 years, so I hope they take that into account ;)

Thanks again.


I would have asked for a chargeback. But I have no idea on how to do it...

Well. The name is D..... H.... and the email is d.....h....@gmail.com

Lol, paypal transactions are always reverted without problems.

I hope :P I have to say I got into rage/freak out mode. Never been scammed before in the Internet.

This is his name:
Dakota Hower
dakotahower@gmail.com



http://www.gofundme.com/TheHitman


This is his mix martial arts coach. 

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000596831784

That one! I didnt want to post his details. It seems there's other people who also tried to get some BTC from him by paypal. I hope they also open a dispute against this fucking scammer.

his brother is named Harrison Hower
his email is cooliozazu19@gmail.com

They are both know scammers.

I'll post a few more photos later.

Weird that they still have working paypal accounts... 

Hower tried to scam me as well.  Luckily I didn't fall for it.  I think your best bet is to just do a chargeback from your credit card.  I'd say you'd win 99% of the time.

Hello everyone all payments have been refunded my computer was stuck with keylogger I lost access to email facebook and paypal and this site and my bitcoin wallet file was stolen

Dude. BCB wouldn't have known who you were unless you did this same thing in the past...

You're a scammer... Get lost.. Get a job....

1 )   Go to a coffee shop like Starbucks.
2 )   Take your laptop with you and connect through Wi-Fi. (pick a different coffee shop each time)
3 )   Make new identity on forum.
4 )   Go home.
5 )   Download this: https://www.torproject.org/download/download (https://www.torproject.org/download/download)
6 )   Start Tor.
7 )   Access the account you just made.
8 )   Scam someone.
9 )   Rinse.
10 ) Repeat.

Derek,

Did you pay rebuyente back yet.  You and your brothers are both scammers.  And Harrison is probably going to go to jail when the police read  the threat of physical violence he made against me in email.  That is a felony.  Look it up.


I don't care where he got this from.  You are both trained mix marshal arts fighters and I am in fear of my life and of the health and well being of my family.

Harrison: What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Are you saying that to him or is that what he said to you? It's hard to tell.

notice the "Harrison:" at the beginning of the paragarph.

that is a cut and paste of the gchat conversion.

My previous comment was
me: ok, so I'm going to post all your dox and chats so everyone knows you are a scammer

and that was his reply.

Ok, got it. So, he doesn't seem like a very friendly scammer then. He seems more like an armed robber. Not your usual Bitcoin pickpocket.

I have over 300 confirmed kills.

You are nothing to me but just another target.

I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life.

You're fucking dead, kid.

I can kill you in over seven hundred ways

I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent

You're fucking dead,


No I would say he is not very friendly.  Each one of those statement made whether in person, in the mail, over gchat or email is a crime in the United State.  He just had the misfortune of leaving a documented copy of it for the world (and the courts) to see.

Unfortunately is it not uncommon for individuals in the US to walk into offces, schools or movie theatres with weapons to randomly kill individuals. These types of threats are taken VERY VERY seriously by law enforcement.

It’s frightening that a so called civil society has creatures that walk around spouting nonsense like that. Oh well, the most efficient thing the US Military does is breed lunatics.

You do realize that statement is off a meme. google it, the comment shows up everywhere. its a joke you dumbass. and you just posted it to Harrison it looks like. I think I'll have the cops investigate you threatining him like that. And why do you keep saying we are MMA fighters why is everyone posting that wtf is that.

Actually, from the chat log it's obvious it was a quote of what he posted. I hope he really does get police involved into this, and he gets what he deserves. It makes no difference if it's from the internet or not, at the moment he said it he was responsible for it.

Wasn't me who said that I'm just another scammer who ended up returning everything

Ah ok, I'm sorry, corrected.

Google Dakota the hitman hower

Dakota, you did not say this.  Harrison did.   And regardless of the fact of where it came from, I did not know where it came from.  Harrison threatened to kill me.  That is a crime in the US.  plain and simple.

If you sent it as gift and you can't open dispute then you can only call paypal by phone and tell them to cancel that payment or something like that.

Look I have refunded all the money and my friend will be doing the same. We hijacked these emails and paypal accounts. No problem admitting it. Done scamming. I dont want fucking mma fighters coming for me or whatever you are saying.

hitman,

Did you pay rebuyente back.

rebuyente, please post here if he paid you back or returned the funds.

Thanks.

Wow that was a pretty angry gmail chat thinger... Dude needs help...

I've got my money back after I wrote this

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I just contacted the police in miilwaukee there you live, and they will look into the chase, and tomorrow I will contact your local mma fitness club and tell them about that you are a hustler that steals money from people, and sale drugs. will do everything to make your life unleavable if you do not transfer my money back immediately.
 
this is my last warning, if I do not have my money within 24 hours i will call your tranings center, find your familiys number, contact everbody you have ever known.

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I would like to make a bounty of 50 bitcoins to the one that gets me in his private adreese.


I will eat him alive when I find him ..

^... ?


I think a few scammers are shitting bricks because they got caught...

You idiots. That's just /b/ copy-pasta. (4chan anyone?)
The scammer is probably an avid /b/tard and loves to troll the living shit out of his victims.

This also means everything you know about him is false as /b/tards are famous for creating facebook profiles that look totally real, but they are not.

the_thing

Thanks for you input Sherlock.

Harrison is trained in gorilla warfare lol... guerrilla?

LoL @ "gorilla" warfare. This guy's watched "Act of Valor" a few too many times...

Yeah brah, time to go back to BB/Misc.

NO. HE HAS NOT!! Absolutely not!!! Ive been checking my paypal account and nothing.

Now that I have his name, and I screen capture all his chatlogs, I'm going to start legal procedure unless I see my money back.

Dakota, good luck finding a job in the future. Your name will be associated forever with scamming. You don't think future employees will google your name? Yes, they will. And they will find this thread and the logs of the IRC channel where people also suffered your scams. Refunding the money and saying sorry is your only option right now.

And remember I have your address and phone number...

You guys don't seem to get the whole concept of using someone else's email and information.. Give me some credit. I'm not going to go around using my own name. Everyones money was refunded. Yes please make sure Dakota can never get a job. That will teach me.

No, you didn't refund my money.

If I got caught and my personal info was starting to get released, I would also start saying the same... We won't stop till you give all your money back, Dakota Hower.

K then pursue that so you can get your money back.

LOL YOU WEREN'T EVEN SCAMMED THROUGH THE EMAIL I HIJACKED I JUST LOOKED. Holy shit your a dumbass get off this forum.

Tssssss, you think people are going to believe you now? Are u trying to save Dakota's reputation (your reputation) now?

First saying that Dakota's account got hacked. And then, that I was not scammed.

Yes, sure. Say whatever you want.

I'm going to start making some calls in the morning. Let's see what your family thinks about it.

Clearly you have no common sense. Read what I have said in my comments on here. You were scammed by my partner first of all, so fuck off and quit messaging me. Second of all stop with the threatening responses or whatever the fuck you want to type, its useless, your not even talking to the right scammer.

I can see from your reactions that you are getting scared shitless. Your best option is to refund the money ASAP. This is not a game, Dakota. Your reputation in MMA can go to to hell in a matter of seconds.

I'm sure you can see that. You don't seem to get the main point of this.. that dakotahower@gmail.com was not associated with scamming you at all. That was the hijacked email I have been using. You were scammed by my partners hijacked email. What I am saying is I am not going to respond anymore because you type the same thing everytime just in a different way. So continue along that path even though I tried to be the friendly "scammer" and tell you your talking to the wrong guy about getting your whatever you lost.

dakotahower@gmail.com was the paypal account I sent the money to.

What is your email address or paypal name.

You have all the needed information in your PM.

Did the invoice have his home address? Google map it. Look it up in yellow pages, get his name, go black on his ass.

Yes I have it. And his phone number. You know what's worse than that? 4chan.

Is 4chan giving you troubles?

Seriously, I got a lot of laugh with this thread  ;D

Dakota "the hitman" Hower

(center)

https://i.imgur.com/EJSgI.jpg

Buahaha He's a top Navy Seal and the armed forces top sniper who has a spy network. hahaha What MOS is that? hhaha

Not at all. Buy they may give the scammer some problems ;)

that's a lotta douchebaggery to be contained by a mere jpg. the kid on the left kinda looks like the loser kid from Arrested Development. The one with the pear-shaped religious girlfriend. The one on the right looks "special needs"ish.  The douchecanoe in the middle, man, he's just a few shitty tattoos away from true MMA stardom.

We speak English here. In English, it is spelled "gorilla". Nobody cares about how it is spelled in French or Italian or Spanish or whatever you wrote. ;)

"Gorilla warfare?"  What's that?  Cage-fighting an ape?  ;D

I'd think an operator would know the correct spelling of "al-Qaeda" and "guerilla," among other things.  Sounds like a stolen-valor douchebag, in addition to a scammer.

How do you guys not see that this is fake copy/paste work that is intended to sound as unrealistic and ridiculous as possible?
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Internet_Tough_Guy (About halfway down)

Palmer

Other have pointed this out and if you bothered to read the whole thread you'd see that's not the point.  He cut and pasted this text as his own words in a chat where he was threatening me.  Doesn't matter where the words come from. Clearly he's not bright enough to be original.  But these word in our conversation had the same intent. 

I actually read from the first post until the very last in this thread.

I know it's not the point. In fact, I only mentioned it because others continually bring it up despite the fact that people have already pointed it out.

LOL I also noticed that... May not be far from the truth :)

That is not exactly true. PayPal will not entertain disputes involving services or pseudo-cash (aka Bitcoin).

so why they are still allowed to walk free ?

if you gather enough info I am sure authorities would be interested

Copypasta is delicious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZMbs5PC64