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Well either Vod has been ignoring my PMs and/or he hasn't had viewed them yet, in both cases I felt a public thread was necessary as this is something that should've been done about 5-6 months ago. And this is not either to force Vod into removing his trust or to mock him, and I apologize if it seems such.

So coming back to it. Lottery248( prof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=408562) ) was given a negative feedback on 2015-01-12 for asking a loan without collateral, which was justified. But according to Vod's own "policy " which he has said in many threads to be
Both of which have been fulfilled by lottery248's behavior.

Any response/opinion from Vod is appreciated.

Perhaps Lottery248 bought OP's account?

I really don't believe that Mexxer would sell his account.

It has perhaps been posted by Mexxer due to him being a somewhat trusted member of the forum. Perhaps lottery248 felt that people would listen to him more.

Lottery248 continued to ask for loans as a newbie.  You could have researched this yourself instead of calling me out in public.   :-\

It's important to me that people realize if they attempt to scam, there are consequences.

Lottery248 already has a positive rating from someone else on DT.  Another positive rating and and my negative will be irrelevant.

As a newbie mate. He also returned a no-collateral loan from someone on the DT, which does deserve a positive trust. Yes, I understand that the negative trust was given due to a second no-collateral loan as listed : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1080921.msg11827446#msg11827446
And it was explicitly mentioned in the OP that he will be giving no-collateral loans. Any other loans I have seen from his last posts(going back to his newbie times) are with collateral. At any rate, as I said earlier, I tried contacting you privately via PM and it seems lottery248 did so too some time ago, which too you ignored.

As for the conspirators thinking I bought the account, no I haven't. Eh,
1) His and mine post style are completely different.
2) His/my password hasn't been changed in the last 30 days(in case someone thought this account was bought by lottery248  ::) )
3) Addresses posted are not connected to each other.
And bla bla bla

And lols for Hariom who thinks I'm not quite the same.

Edit: As for the reason I posted this thread. Well lottery seems to have lost hope that the negative will be removed. And trust system is the correct use of feedbacks, if a rating is not deserved I'm not going to just stand there.

I would agree with you on this .

The first point here is he himself is not confident about his appeal and is using someone else (who he thinks is trusted) and might have better effect then him and somehow get the neg rep removed.

secondly , He was dishonest ,lying and very very cunning for coins.. when shield started an accusation against me . I have always replied him and had no chance to know of the sale .
however, this is my personal experience and i am not accusing anyone here.

He has in no way "used" me, I'm merely stating my opinions on the rating. He most probably doesn't even know about this thread.
Proofs please, and Vod's rating is not about that. If it was true, the accusation, I've no problem if Vod still keeps the negative on lottery, but maybe at least edit it.

Honestly I wouldn't delete the neg trust, he was asking for 2BTC, super shady. He is a Sr.member, at this point he would know that you just don't ask for 2 btc without collateral, he deserves the neg trust and he also seems to be dishonest, why do you care so much about him anyways?

So you probably also told lottery to remove his feedback to Vod, right?  ::)

I dont believe that ,but if that is the case then i take back what i said.

what proof's ? I clearly mentioned above that i am not accusing anyone .
It's my opinion ,casue he should have explained shield what has happened and that i have been honest to him ,becasue it was a scam accusation not just a single comment .
even after me saying him "dude explain it in the thread " he was conostantly asking for BTC

Manipulating a public accusation against a fuly flexible and calm guy is what i do not consider as honest.

However , Vod already asked lottery to make a public appeal about it months ago and maybe he didnt find it enough to remove it, because of this.


and lastly a raged feedback...

I have dealt with VOD personally on a negative rating and as you can see everything was solved,because i didnt filled his trust page with counter feedback's , its just stupdity and your rage also proves his rating.
Believe me making a public appeal is not going to help you when you are dealing with VOD

Why are you so much considered for him, its your alt account ?? seems like it .. because see your signature also says that , such big written waiting for vod's reply means, that you are his alt , else why so worried ?

if alt, then better dont use sig camps from both accounts , or if so, get a neg rep !

Moreover mexxer : if he has lost hope , means he know he did wrong, then why you crating useless drama ??

Really hariom? Now going against me from an alt? I expected better than that*
And no I've already given proof that he is not my alt. As for my sig, I'm constantly changing it to what I feel is controversial.

Edit: * Actually seeing some of your recent responses I am not expecting any better than that

Hariom , sorry ? Please find a better way to spam ..

Oh STFU already: http://web.archive.org/web/20151201082410/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1254590.0

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Replying to your useless remarks
He lost hope because Vod was most likely ignoring him, he hadn't created a thread yet(AFAIK, even if he did, it might be old) so I did, what problem do you find in that?

You need to correct your fact's please. I searched a few pages and couldn't find his old appeal and i wont do any more research on it ,but i know he made a thread before..

It is quite confusing that someone is fighting to someone on the behalf of someone and the person who's involvement is must here is not have a single post here and mexxer continuous posts in the favor of lottery248 cannot justified at all.
I am pretty aware of this situation when you makes a mistake by mistake and gets a negative trust from a DT member and you tries hard and harder to remove it but at last all your efforts didn't makes any difference and you thinks that it is the end of your journey here.
I think in this situation mexxer should ask the lottery248 - hey buddy have you fulfilled all the requirements of the VOD. And after getting answer in YES
Okay lottery248 then make a thread writing a apology letter and don't forget to mention that VOD is not replying my PMs I don't know why?
And after all that your post in that thread in his favor can be justified and  was much more effective that what it is here.

Here it is looking like some is trying to protect his family member or friend as he knows he is trustworthy which he is actually in your view but in the view of VOD he is not his friend or relative he is only a person who is breaking a rule and was treated as the vid did to all the member of this forum.

Bettor lottery248 wait and watch his own fishy activity and try to improve them according to forum rules for a few months before requesting the removal of the negative trust from his account.
And you mexxer stop favoring him and give him some knowledge about forum and its rules and give him advice and support him from back not from the front.

I pretty sure that the negative trust is remove by the God when he found it suitable to be removed you don't force him to remove it.
I think mexxer favor towards lottery248 lime this can't tolerated.
Sorry for all this

Thread link where the conv. happened etc, as used to the forum as I am, I still can't go through every old thread, if you know what I mean.
Once again link please
Erm we might be talking about different things, I'm talking about the rating Vod gave when lottery was asking for a loan when he was a newbie, even so please back your statement with a thread/post link
Raged feedback shouldn't mean that a DT member should be retaliating, even so I've PMed lottery about this thread and to remove the neg trust.
Bolded part: My rage?
And no I'm not helping "myself" with this thread.


Helping is confusing?
I hadn't told lottery about this thread yet. And which "favoritism" are you talking about, all I have presented are what I felt appropriate, and I'm willing to change my opinion if enough proofs/opinions/evidence is provided that lottery is indeed scammer or trying to scam.
Vod himself has stated that he does remove negative rating which were based on no-collateral loans.
AFAIK lottery has written Vod a PM but Vod hasn't replied.
I don't think lottery is trustworthy, but I also don't think he's untrustworthy which is what the negative rating currently implies. If I thought lottery was to be trusted I'd have given him a feedback already.
So 6 months wasn't enough?
I've explained above, that I'm not favoring him
Its Vod(Virtual God) lol.
I've stated at the beginning of this thread that I'm not forcing Vod to remove his feedback, merely want an answer for my recent comments.

gonna remove it.
removed, if Vod is still not gonna remove the ripoff then i will consider to write an appeal to moderator to remove his default trust because he did not even grant his promise.

How can you say its over 6 months. Will post his more loan request without collateral.
How can you say that 6 months wasn't enough see his loan request made on 2august.
I think there will be more no collateral loan requests from him which are made after the negative trust by vod
God it was just a typo mistake done by my phone's autocorrect.

But not when someone keep coming with same requested after warning/trust.


I'm saying the thread was from the lottery248 not your stating all the member that God is not replying.

I think you are oobserving the lottery from a different time period while the vod is observing him from the time when the negative trust is leaved on his account and I think the warning of vod is not taken seriously by the lottery and he made many no collateral loan requests in the mean time due to which Vod don't want to remove the negative feedback.

Over 6 months from the rating Vod has given him. As for the thread you quoted, it could've been avoided if Vod had respected his 'policy',  as lottery, then could've asked for a loan with his account as collateral, a Sr. member(without negative rating) as collateral would've been enough.
Edit: Good work on your digging though, appreciate your opinion

I am not gonna go and dig all the old threads for that dishonest person and again I dont need to show any proof as i am not accusing anyone here ,i stated my personal opinions based on my personal experiences with him. There is a difference.
however ,i see that you are lacking knowledge about lottery and his case . Either you are backing him up with lies or he is lying to you, not giving you full info..
vod can give you a confirmation for that previous appeal,I dont need to.


We are not talking about different things ,you are taking things differently "Vod wanted to know what people think of lottery before removing the feedback and as you can see majority are against him and are ok for him to be RED"

No not your rage here, in this case it is lottery's cause he was the one to give counter negative to VOD out of rage.

mexxer ,I see your client is threatning  VOD.
I know what is gonna happen next.

edit:
This is the problem here , No body cares what you think or how you think. Vod gave him a feedback on what he thinks of him and you cant force him to either remove it or justify it because you think it's wrong cause you just dont have that right unless you are the victim.

removed already.

So your are saying it is Vod's fault which forced the lottery to ask the loan without collateral.
Okay now i'm on my PC and can do  better investigation on it.
I'm not representing vod here i am just answering few questions of your that might be possible reason behind the negative feedback from the last 6 months.
okay wait for 10-15 Mins don't post anything in the reply of this until it was edited by me.

After that vod leaved a negative trust on him.

Nearly after 5 Months and 16 Days with some collateral which was not sufficient for the loan amount at that time.
Can i ask lottery248 for screenshot of the PMs done by him to the Vod in the mean time.

His First 60 post had 5 Loan request.
can any one redirect me to the policies of Vod

More or less yes, if the negative feedback wasn't there the account would've been valid collateral.
Vod's policy is on the OP.
As for the loan requests, might be a case of insufficient collateral, but he was offering something, and collateral is something Lender and the loaner agrees on, about what its price is.

At any rate, considering the fact that most people seem to think I'm constantly defending lottery and the fact that Lutpin doesn't agree with me on this. I'm keeping this thread open, but I will not be defending lottery, and if he requests I can lock this thread.

let's forget those shitty loan request, because that negative trust led my account to completely worthless.
i will consider to write an appeal to admin to kick out Vod from Default trust network for failing to follow his own instruction regulates himself; if he cannot provide any valid reason not to remove my -ve feedback. once again.

The sad part is it doesn't , If you think and realize the feedback is correct then you care about it and it affects you.
If you were true and if vod's feedback was just troll then you wouldn't care about it much .

Most likely he wont reply to you because there is no such rule to remove feedback's after some months just because the guys has become a Sr. Member , cant ignore the fact's that the guy was constantly asking for loan's with the negative feedback attatched to his profile.

The only way you can get it removed is when Vod think's you are have turned into an honest person from the time it took for you to become a sr. Member .

However i dont quite get your point here .
1) You have problem with Vod giving false or unjustified feedback ? which you think you dont deserve.
In this case you wouldn't want him to be removed from DT.

2) you dont want a negative feedback from DT ? no matter you are a scammer or whatever. So you intend theymos to remove everyguy from DT who think's your behaviour is shady ?
what so ever you just want your profile to be clean ? in this case you havent followed to anything what Vod have told you.

I have learned how stuff works here and i see how my past was enough shady to get such negative feedback's from DT ,however I would like VOD to observe my behavior and re-think on the rating after the time i have spend on the forum now

this should be your appeal not just remove the feedback  because i am a ssenior member or else i will tell the admin to remove you from DT.

You are kicking your own ass by doing this as the negative trust can be given by anyone to anyone on the basis of what he thinks about a member.
I don't think it will help you anyhow.
Best and better solution wait for a month without making any post and be active in the meantime daily on the forum and contribute your knowledge here to help people and then make a request to vod for the removal of the negtive feedback and if he doesn't reply after all this then make a thread in meta stating all the happening from the beginning including all the facts and mistakes.
and then let the members of the forum choose what is right and wrong?
and don't forget to ask Vod what he wants from you to remove it and full fill his all the expectation.
will add some more words later.
BYe  

i am not wanting my profile be clean, but his 'valid' reason is annoying me a lot and unlike most of the -ve examples, i am the one who was negged for 'loan request without collateral' when i was a newbie while i proven myself not an alt/scammer. for alt/scammer, once they scammed they will AWOL for sure.
it was correct when i was a newbie, but he is a troll now, mainly on me. even if i created so much invalid loan request, it comes no use and i did not scam anyone, the -ve feedback is on after i locked the thread and told i made something wrong, how ridiculous.

True Words

okay

Despite of what feedbacks i have i am putting my points here please take a look and provide a solution
I think it was his luck that he found the KWH who was in good mood that day provided him a no collateral loan.
and got the Feedack as a rewards.
I also thinks this is impossible for this to get a second chance same as above in his whole life due to the negative rating of his account.
I think you must provide a solution for it as it is really impossible to get the second chance through which he gained trust.
and if there is no solution for it and you thinks that you will not remove it ever then also mention that so he will not make requests in future.
Please reply
Thank you for making the community troll/scammer free.

So because you couldn't scam anyone you don't deserve the negative trust? Nah, that's not how it works.

The trust is given on the basis of what someone thinks about a person not what everyone or someone thinks it could be Vod personal opinion and you can't change it even by complaining to Mod or Admin(how forum exactly works)I think even satoshi nakamoto can't change it

I have four negative feedbacks in total two of them for blaimailing and 1 for doing escrow for a ponzi and for copying a thread without any improvisation.
I am just waiting and will wait for more and more years until I becomes a legendary but I will not lose hope and make changes in me which are necessary.
I will be a example for this forum members.

And one for blackmailing one person to remove his neg feedback or else you will rob someone else.

I think you can see the rating of mine where it is written in clear words that the  trust was right at that time on the basis of facts and proofs but after the recovery of PM  by theymos it is clear that he is not the owner of the sites he is doing escrow for.
The decision of blaikmailing quickseller was totally wrong  but i did it because im not aware of the fact that it is blackmail seriously.
And bla bla bla
My angry nature and the conditions forced me to do fucking things which was reallly not necessary as told by ndnhc later he helped me alot he told me some facts after which i joined the community again to contrubute some spam i can do.
I think it will not take much time in the removal of the negative feedback i think max 1-2 years only not more than that.
Biggest problem with me is that right now i dont have much work to do here neither anyone want wirk from me even on very high discount all credits to the negative trust.
But I'm still happy because I'm the part of a biggest crypto community which is going to take over the whole world one day with it influence.

Power to you.  Honestly wasn't expecting this:


I hope you find a way to stay happy and not repeat mistakes.

let's not to give Vod any negative trust if yours is on by him.
instead, take him away from your trust network by typing '~Vod' on the trust settings; then fierce argument is lowered. (ignore is not working, so do not do it)

I can't do it as the VOD has lot of feedback which can't be ignored at all.

wow this whole thread seems scammy. why is this guy defending another guy to vod? Makes no sense.

You guys create so much drama here, wtf. Vod hasnt' replied, so.. he probably does not care. Sorry. Just lock the thread and move on, seems like a waste of time to me.  ::)

Hey OP
Move it to meta i think it will get very much attention then what it is getting here.

Vod actually replied here earlier, but it seems like that's all he got to say, and guess what mexxer, that's ok (the thing you pull off with your sig is just unnecessary).


Hm...so you suggest moving a thread out of the correct sub-forum to get more attention for it?
Mexxer knows his way around, and the thread is well suited here. And even if he was to move it. What do you think would happen?
Spoiler alert: Mods would move the thread back to reputation, cause thats where it belongs to.

Here is something you would like to read in meta.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997428

Jesus.

If you're concerned about your account being "worthless" then I really have absolutely no sympathy for you. In fact Vod has absolutely no obligation to remove his negative feedback (if it's really unfair, he'll be removed from DT anyway). Just because he said a quote that may or may not have even applied fully to you does not mean he has to, that is barely valid grounds to "write an appeal to admin to kick out Vod from [DefaultTrust]."

Ah well the issue was resolved but not as expected. Lottery should write a thank you message to RHavar for trusting him enough for a feedback.
Locking thread.

On second thoughts, I'm keeping this thread open for any discussion

you may keep this thread open, but not on your signature.

Meh can't find anything else to keep on my sig, let it be

Time to close the thread as the lottery248 don't have any effect of vod trust as he got trust from someone in DT. so, no reason to keep it up on his behalf he can open a new thread for himself if needed please close this thread now and don't forget to change your signature as well.
Thank you