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Title: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: achow101_alt on December 10, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
Update: It was not Satoshi.
This is spoofed.

Code:
    Received: from mail.vistomail.com (cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com
     [104.231.205.87])        
     by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BCADF
     for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
     Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:53:42 +0000 (UTC)

104.231.205.87 is not mail.vistomail.com. It's some residential IP, cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com.

I feel like the mailing list must be seriously misconfigured to allow this sort of spoofing... You could exploit this to send mail "from" any of the devs, for example.
See for more details: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm


I just saw this in the bitcoin Dev mailing list
Quote
I am not Craig Wright. We are all Satoshi.
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

I have no idea if this is legitimate, but it was sent (supposedly) by satoshi@vistomail.com, which is the first email address that he used to post about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: altcoinhosting on December 10, 2015, 12:46:20 PM
I find it strange that he would do this... Wouldn't he add a signature?


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: achow101_alt on December 10, 2015, 12:52:41 PM
I find it strange that he would do this... Wouldn't he add a signature?
I don't think it is that strange. He has done it in the past when people thought he was Dorian Nakamoto. There is no need for him to prove his identity, people already know that Craig isn't satoshi.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: WhatTheGox on December 10, 2015, 01:03:59 PM
I find it strange that he would do this... Wouldn't he add a signature?
I don't think it is that strange. He has done it in the past when people thought he was Dorian Nakamoto. There is no need for him to prove his identity, people already know that Craig isn't satoshi.

Gives a good reason for the media to pump the bitcoin though leave them to it i say.  When the public read they are wondering what the big deal is about bitcoin even more.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: unamis76 on December 10, 2015, 01:24:34 PM
Signature or didn't happen. The usual stuff... As said previously this is nothing without proof and email addresses can be spoofed (or stolen...)


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: lumeire on December 10, 2015, 01:25:28 PM
"Not this again."

I can just see whoever that is who wrote that in the e-mail face palm him/herself.  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: tokeweed on December 10, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
'We are all Satoshi.'. Really bro?  It's probably true that email was hacked.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Zz on December 10, 2015, 02:09:49 PM
It's pretty obvious neither Craig Wright nor this guy who had access to satoshi@vistomail.com is Satoshi.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: 1anonymous on December 10, 2015, 02:13:48 PM
The NSA says this guy is Satoshi

http://www.soladoni.com/satoshi-nakamoto-craig-steven-wright/

He has more doctorates than Craig Wright

LOL


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: bitlancr on December 10, 2015, 02:15:03 PM
It's obvious that this Craig guy wasn't the real satoshi anyway. I don't think satoshi will come out any time soon.
I don't mind it either and I wouldn't come out to say that I was satoshi either.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: richardsNY on December 10, 2015, 02:17:19 PM
He says, 'we are all satoshi', that could mean that this isn't the real Satoshi. He must sign a message or it is just a troll trying to make a bit fun.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: shorena on December 10, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
He says, 'we are all satoshi', that could mean that this isn't the real Satoshi. He must sign a message or it is just a troll trying to make a bit fun.

It means: stop looking for an authority figure to solve your issues kids, learn to walk.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: kyrios_ on December 10, 2015, 02:22:22 PM
He says, 'we are all satoshi', that could mean that this isn't the real Satoshi. He must sign a message or it is just a troll trying to make a bit fun.

Reminds me of this zero character from code geass. An icon to represent the opression of the government


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: LuckyYOU on December 10, 2015, 02:39:04 PM
We already now that Craig Wright isn't Satoshi, Satoshi just verify it ::)
I think Craig Wright just want to be popular or part of whale group ::)

But what does "We are all Satoshi." mean? Maybe Satoshi isn't individual or it's not mail from real satoshi.

Not sure if that message is legit but I guess he means that we are all satoshi as in, since we're all into bitcoin and have the power to move it, that we are satoshi.
We're all part of it. No matter how little of satoshi you own, you're still part of a community that uses bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: kyrios_ on December 10, 2015, 02:43:46 PM
We already now that Craig Wright isn't Satoshi, Satoshi just verify it ::)
I think Craig Wright just want to be popular or part of whale group ::)

But what does "We are all Satoshi." mean? Maybe Satoshi isn't individual or it's not mail from real satoshi.

Not sure if that message is legit but I guess he means that we are all satoshi as in, since we're all into bitcoin and have the power to move it, that we are satoshi.
We're all part of it. No matter how little of satoshi you own, you're still part of a community that uses bitcoin.

Maybe satoshi is an ideal. An idea that belongs to everyone


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: vodaljepa on December 10, 2015, 02:45:40 PM
It's nothing but trolling


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: RodeoX on December 10, 2015, 02:48:58 PM
Signature or didn't happen. ...

I totally agree. Math is proof, everything else is fakeable.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: ultimatesky on December 10, 2015, 02:55:34 PM
Not sure if we should trust this message but if it really is satoshi, and he's saying we're all satoshi, then we're all satoshi.
Like he said, it may just not be one single person.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: MaxTax on December 10, 2015, 03:10:35 PM
I have yet to see a signature that this is real. I guess we'll never know who satoshi is or who they are.
I kinda like it the way it is, I don't really feel the need to know.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: DarkHyudrA on December 10, 2015, 03:20:46 PM
'We are all Satoshi.'. Really bro?  It's probably true that email was hacked.
This.
Most accounts of satoshi have been hacked trough the years, and now that he left everything with the name Satoshi, we should just accept that we will never see Satoshi again, because even Satoshi himself can't prove to be him except for the million BTC that we believe that he has.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: amacar2 on December 10, 2015, 03:24:13 PM
I think these days nobody will believe if real satoshi also says i am satoshi. We all who uses and love bitcoin are satoshi.  :)


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: megatron1337 on December 10, 2015, 03:29:02 PM
Keyser Söze is Satoshi


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Kprawn on December 10, 2015, 03:30:49 PM
'We are all Satoshi.'. Really bro?  It's probably true that email was hacked.
This.
Most accounts of satoshi have been hacked trough the years, and now that he left everything with the name Satoshi, we should just accept that we will never see Satoshi again, because even Satoshi himself can't prove to be him except for the million BTC that we believe that he has.

Will you believe, if he sends you 1 bitcoin from his stash? ....I WOULD.  ::) ... I think that would be proof enough that he/she or they are still out there. I have to say the whole

Craig Wright story had my adrenaline pumping when I first read the Wired article... hoax or not, it send some chills up my spine. Most of us believe Satoshi must be dead and I

think we have to deal with that.  :(


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: spazzdla on December 10, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
This is a deep statment... the we are all satoshi is the message we should be reading.

We DO NOT want a dictatorship.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: theymos on December 10, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
This is spoofed.

Code:
    Received: from mail.vistomail.com (cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com
    [104.231.205.87])         
    by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BCADF
    for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
    Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:53:42 +0000 (UTC)

104.231.205.87 is not mail.vistomail.com. It's some residential IP, cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com.

I feel like the mailing list must be seriously misconfigured to allow this sort of spoofing... You could exploit this to send mail "from" any of the devs, for example.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: 1anonymous on December 10, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
must be him

only satoshi would have his IP

in mukwonago wisconsin

haha


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: MCHouston on December 10, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
This is spoofed.

Code:
    Received: from mail.vistomail.com (cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com
    [104.231.205.87])         
    by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BCADF
    for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
    Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:53:42 +0000 (UTC)

104.231.205.87 is not mail.vistomail.com. It's some residential IP, cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com.

I feel like the mailing list must be seriously misconfigured to allow this sort of spoofing... You could exploit this to send mail "from" any of the devs, for example.

Yup Vistomail, should be coming from the below subnet or possibly the below IPs.
> set type=mx
> vistomail.com

Non-authoritative answer:
vistomail.com   MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = vistomail.com
vistomail.com   internet address = 190.97.163.93

> mail.vistomail.com

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    vistomail.com
Address:  190.97.163.93
Aliases:  mail.vistomail.com

>


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: ajareselde on December 10, 2015, 04:23:54 PM
Obviously this was a fake mail. If Satoshi was to communicate with anyone, it would be to resolve the conflict that's separating the community apart - the block size debate.
Just imagine if Satoshi was to contact  people every time someone shouts that he's founder of bitcoin; he might as well return to his btc account in that case.

cheers


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Mr Felt on December 10, 2015, 04:25:12 PM
must be him

only satoshi would have his IP

in mukwonago wisconsin

haha


Speaking of Mukwonago - The depth of this rabbit hole . . . http://www.jsonline.com/business/autumn-radtkes-death-in-singapore-ruled-unnatural-raises-questions-b99222948z1-250011411.html (have always thought this was a faked death, fwiw).







Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: nichu on December 10, 2015, 04:32:52 PM
'We are all Satoshi.'. Really bro?  It's probably true that email was hacked.

We already now that Craig Wright isn't Satoshi, Satoshi just verify it ::)
I think Craig Wright just want to be popular or part of whale group ::)

But what does "We are all Satoshi." mean? Maybe Satoshi isn't individual or it's not mail from real satoshi.

its just a literal meaning . implying to look at what he has created and not the creator . Each and everyone who handles bitcoin are satoshi . :)


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: hughbt on December 10, 2015, 04:43:27 PM
Keyser Söze is Satoshi

He is trying to convince the world that he doesn't exist to dump all of his coins at the least expected moment.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Amph on December 10, 2015, 04:49:21 PM
could be that satoshi it's joking with us by making us believe that he is another person, or something like that?

is this done to increase somehow the trust in bitcoin and to permit a easily increase in price? maybe i'm just paranoid...


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: virtualx on December 10, 2015, 05:29:45 PM
could be that satoshi it's joking with us by making us believe that he is another person, or something like that?

I don't think Satoshi won't appear in public because he does not want to attract the bugs.
This quote supports that idea:

Quote
It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context.  WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: maokoto on December 10, 2015, 05:38:06 PM
Well, he possibly isn't, but what he says is pretty true. He is not Craig... and everyone could be him lol.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: lolgato on December 10, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
Its pretty obvious Craig is not satoshi but the email can be a hacker signature or a fake


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Mr Felt on December 10, 2015, 05:46:55 PM
could be that satoshi it's joking with us by making us believe that he is another person, or something like that?

is this done to increase somehow the trust in bitcoin and to permit a easily increase in price? maybe i'm just paranoid...

Could also be some hardcore game theory action: fraudster (assuming that's what's going on here) knows who the real satoshi is and publicly claims he (the fraudster) is satoshi to put the real satoshi in a tough spot - either say 'no, i'm satoshi' or take on the risk of a media crapstorm.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: BellaBitBit on December 10, 2015, 06:27:29 PM
This is what the group Anonymous says "We are all Anonymous".  Never a dull moment with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on December 10, 2015, 07:21:16 PM
I find it strange that he would do this... Wouldn't he add a signature?

I would like that he used the signature, but the guy may not be using it in purpose just to leave the craig thing open, just like he didn't necessarly use his signature to claim that he wasn't dorian. I kinda like it, because it's like an open ending, the speculation will go on forever.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: fastdice_alchemist on December 10, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
This would be pretty cool if it was him.. but could easily be spoofed with a php mailer..


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 10, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
The NSA says this guy is Satoshi

http://www.soladoni.com/satoshi-nakamoto-craig-steven-wright/

He has more doctorates than Craig Wright

LOL

http://www.soladoni.com/satoshi-nakamoto-craig-steven-wright/

Quote
Wright needed to pump his company up with wild eyed investors, probably from the nitwit realm of Bitcoin investors, by claiming he created Bitcoin.

Honestly, I don't see why Craig Wright went through all the trouble of seeking Investards when he could've easily became an Investard himself of Leroy Fodor's StakeMiners Ponzi, thus earning weekly dividends off its POS altcoins traded on Cryptsy enabling him to fund his Bitcoin bank endeavouuuuuur.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: poncho32 on December 10, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
Theymo's evidence convinces me that email isn't from Satoshi, and gmaxwell's evidence convinces me that Craig Wright isn't Satoshi. Craig Wright was trying to start a Bitcoin bank, and if he had succeeded he would have made a worse job of it than Mark Karples made of Gox. I'm glad the community found out about his con before he had the chance to do any real damage to the Bitcoin ecosystem.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Lethn on December 10, 2015, 08:58:25 PM
"Not this again."

I can just see whoever that is who wrote that in the e-mail face palm him/herself.  ;D

Someone smart enough to create the blockchain is not going to be stupid enough to get caught out by the U.S Government or some third rate reporter, the media need to shut the fuck up and stop pretending they know anything about Bitcoin, also, if he wants to be left alone then leave him alone.

I just hope he doesn't get too tempted into trolling everybody because then that will make him easier to trace lol.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: BADecker on December 10, 2015, 09:20:12 PM
"Not this again."

I can just see whoever that is who wrote that in the e-mail face palm him/herself.  ;D

Someone smart enough to create the blockchain is not going to be stupid enough to get caught out by the U.S Government or some third rate reporter, the media need to shut the fuck up and stop pretending they know anything about Bitcoin, also, if he wants to be left alone then leave him alone.

I just hope he doesn't get too tempted into trolling everybody because then that will make him easier to trace lol.

I agree.

I suspect that, viewing the success of Bitcoin, he is out inventing something so positively great, that it will bring fiat down fast and sure.

:)


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: bitcoinstarter on December 10, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
Signature or didn't happen. The usual stuff... As said previously this is nothing without proof and email addresses can be spoofed (or stolen...)

Yes, this a million times.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Blawpaw on December 10, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
I just saw this in the bitcoin Dev mailing list
Quote
I am not Craig Wright. We are all Satoshi.
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

I have no idea if this is legitimate, but it was sent (supposedly) by satoshi@vistomail.com, which is the first email address that he used to post about bitcoin.

The Craig S Wright story never convinced anyone. Anyways this play brought a new momentum to bitcoin which can be most benefiting.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: achow101_alt on December 10, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
This is spoofed.

Code:
    Received: from mail.vistomail.com (cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com
     [104.231.205.87])        
     by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BCADF
     for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
     Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:53:42 +0000 (UTC)

104.231.205.87 is not mail.vistomail.com. It's some residential IP, cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com.

I feel like the mailing list must be seriously misconfigured to allow this sort of spoofing... You could exploit this to send mail "from" any of the devs, for example.
I didn't check the headers, so I didn't notice this. That is very convincing that it is not Satoshi. But how can that domain name be spoofed? Does the sender set that name or is it done by the receiving server?


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: jyakulis on December 10, 2015, 09:31:04 PM
fuck, why do I read these threads...all the whacky theories.

The real satoshi got fucked by a group of people that took his idea and never talked to him again. Fact.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Sir_lagsalot on December 10, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
We already now that Craig Wright isn't Satoshi, Satoshi just verify it ::)
I think Craig Wright just want to be popular or part of whale group ::)

But what does "We are all Satoshi." mean? Maybe Satoshi isn't individual or it's not mail from real satoshi.

He's telling us bluntly that satoshi does not want to be known. He wants us to build up bitcoin, not him. Not does he want publicity. Give the man what he wants, satoshi or not. It's simple respect. We all know that Craig isn't satoshi. He's a wannabe. It's amazing he could stoop so low as to impersonate him. Ggwp...


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: theymos on December 10, 2015, 09:57:11 PM
I didn't check the headers, so I didn't notice this. That is very convincing that it is not Satoshi. But how can that domain name be spoofed? Does the sender set that name or is it done by the receiving server?

Here's apparently the person who sent it, explaining how he did it. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm)

In SMTP (the email protocol), you start your connection by saying who you are via a command like HELO bitcointalk.org ("hello, I'm bitcointalk.org"). Most servers will then check that the IP address you're connecting from actually matches the hostname you give, and if not will immediately drop the connection. But the mailing list's server is apparently really stupid, and just blindly believes that any given hostname is actually accurate. So you could tell it HELO whitehouse.gov and the server will believe that you're whitehouse.gov. Or whatever.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: achow101_alt on December 10, 2015, 10:06:54 PM
I didn't check the headers, so I didn't notice this. That is very convincing that it is not Satoshi. But how can that domain name be spoofed? Does the sender set that name or is it done by the receiving server?

Here's apparently the person who sent it, explaining how he did it. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm)

In SMTP (the email protocol), you start your connection by saying who you are via a command like HELO bitcointalk.org ("hello, I'm bitcointalk.org"). Most servers will then check that the IP address you're connecting from actually matches the hostname you give, and if not will immediately drop the connection. But the mailing list's server is apparently really stupid, and just blindly believes that any given hostname is actually accurate. So you could tell it HELO whitehouse.gov and the server will believe that you're whitehouse.gov. Or whatever.
Well that explains a lot.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: AndySt on December 10, 2015, 10:07:40 PM
I think that the best way to convey nakamoto's opinion to which all believed would be a small transaction from a first address with a comment in it. But I don't think he would go for it.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: keepdoing on December 10, 2015, 10:08:03 PM
I didn't check the headers, so I didn't notice this. That is very convincing that it is not Satoshi. But how can that domain name be spoofed? Does the sender set that name or is it done by the receiving server?

Here's apparently the person who sent it, explaining how he did it. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm)

In SMTP (the email protocol), you start your connection by saying who you are via a command like HELO bitcointalk.org ("hello, I'm bitcointalk.org"). Most servers will then check that the IP address you're connecting from actually matches the hostname you give, and if not will immediately drop the connection. But the mailing list's server is apparently really stupid, and just blindly believes that any given hostname is actually accurate. So you could tell it HELO whitehouse.gov and the server will believe that you're whitehouse.gov. Or whatever.

Cool, does this mean we just proved that Craig/Satoshi could have sent an email designed to be intentionally discovered to be fake, thereby allowing the actual Satoshi to have sent an email designed to be determined as fake, and thereby manipulating the entire situation into even murkier waters.  

According to conspiracy theorists, a guy that could develop an elaborate 3+ year hoax could do it, or of course it would be worthy of the real guy.  

I love the way we keep actually proving nothing in regards to the whole Craig/Satoshi issue itself, and ignoring the claims Craig/Satoshi made in the video.  Supercomputer, Turing, etc.

I'd much rather look cool discovering maybe's!


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: thejaytiesto on December 10, 2015, 10:16:53 PM
I didn't check the headers, so I didn't notice this. That is very convincing that it is not Satoshi. But how can that domain name be spoofed? Does the sender set that name or is it done by the receiving server?

Here's apparently the person who sent it, explaining how he did it. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm)

In SMTP (the email protocol), you start your connection by saying who you are via a command like HELO bitcointalk.org ("hello, I'm bitcointalk.org"). Most servers will then check that the IP address you're connecting from actually matches the hostname you give, and if not will immediately drop the connection. But the mailing list's server is apparently really stupid, and just blindly believes that any given hostname is actually accurate. So you could tell it HELO whitehouse.gov and the server will believe that you're whitehouse.gov. Or whatever.

Cool, does this mean we just proved that Craig/Satoshi could have sent an email designed to be intentionally discovered to be fake, thereby allowing the actual Satoshi to have sent an email designed to be determined as fake, and thereby manipulating the entire situation into even murkier waters.  

According to conspiracy theorists, a guy that could develop an elaborate 3+ year hoax could do it, or of course it would be worthy of the real guy.  

I love the way we keep actually proving nothing in regards to the whole Craig/Satoshi issue itself, and ignoring the claims Craig/Satoshi made in the video.  Supercomputer, Turing, etc.

I'd much rather look cool discovering maybe's!

Oh Craig mentioned turing and supercomputers on a video, I guess Milton Friedman is Satoshi too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MnQJFEVY7s

I could point more people that went into even more specifics about something that could be Bitcoin way before 2008.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: keepdoing on December 11, 2015, 01:15:57 AM
I love the way we keep actually proving nothing in regards to the whole Craig/Satoshi issue itself, and ignoring the claims Craig/Satoshi made in the video.  Supercomputer, Turing, etc.

I'd much rather look cool discovering maybe's!

Oh Craig mentioned turing and supercomputers on a video, I guess Milton Friedman is Satoshi too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MnQJFEVY7s

I could point more people that went into even more specifics about something that could be Bitcoin way before 2008.
Not even close enough to be considered as an Apples to Brocolli comparison. 

Craig/Satoshi has a verified Bitcoin Crunching Supercomputer that supposedly nobody knew about.   My guess is that some sort of revelations / direction is going to come out of it very shortly.  And my guess is it will basically act to grab bitcoin by the horns, and help steer it in a direction.  And my guess is that some people won't like the direction that points.  And my guess is that they will go Whaaaah!  .... or get very very angry and perhaps try and act out.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Mr Felt on December 11, 2015, 07:41:27 AM
must be him

only satoshi would have his IP

in mukwonago wisconsin

haha


Speaking of Mukwonago - The depth of this rabbit hole . . . http://www.jsonline.com/business/autumn-radtkes-death-in-singapore-ruled-unnatural-raises-questions-b99222948z1-250011411.html (have always thought this was a faked death, fwiw).


Reading this article (http://www.zdnet.com/article/sgi-denies-links-with-alleged-bitcoin-founder-craig-wright/) inspired me to check out some company records:

https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/10854263/ramona-watts (note the nationality -- recall the jsonline.com article cited above).

Note the date of the infusion --> https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/denariuz.    Note the address of the company.  Compare date of infusion w/ infusion date here: https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/c01n. Compare amounts.

One director from c01n is US-based (Right across Los Angeles from Santa Monica, if company records are accurate) - https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/15870428/uyen-nguyen.  Payment company based in singapore w/ exec team in L.A.. https://www.gocoin.com/contact.  Small world.


Not sure any of it is connected or is relevant.  :-\


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Monnt on December 11, 2015, 07:42:30 AM
He did the same thing with Durian Nakamoto last time.... And now he does it with Craig Wright.

Pretty weird IMO.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: koshgel on December 11, 2015, 07:54:57 AM
He did the same thing with Durian Nakamoto last time.... And now he does it with Craig Wright.

Pretty weird IMO.

Except both times it's been pretty much proven that it wasn't Satoshi.

If Satoshi didn't reveal himself during the massive bubble, not much reason for him to make an appearance now. Wright just trying to take advantage of Satoshi's anonymity.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: _biO_ on December 11, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxuo3zx?context=1


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: ik_do on December 11, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
So I got a question; Take a peek at his Google+ page and you'll see the following on the cached version (Google's scripts or some shit blank out the page, but you can still get the source code for the page)


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The date reads 2015-11-14

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The date reads 2015-09-24

So... He creates/edits these posts on these dates (its possible to backdate posts on Google's Blogger platform) and unwittingly lets his Google+ profile show the dates that he has done so.

So yeah, he basically most likely just inserted this shit in the past few months to make it look like they were historic entries.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 11, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
Signature or didn't happen. The usual stuff... As said previously this is nothing without proof and email addresses can be spoofed (or stolen...)

yes. this is it.


Title: Re: Satoshi returns, says he's not Craig wright
Post by: Was on December 17, 2015, 03:44:27 AM
My concern is that every time something from satoshi's vistomail comes out, everyone is more concerned with the author of the message, instead of the content of the message.

Typical.