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Draw starts as soon as I get my balance.
Hurry and get in the draws, and get your chance
to win 75% of a bitcoin!

Anyone that can offer insight, or information on whats exactly happening,
or advices or good tips, or any information that can help me towards
of getting my funds, or an explanation to this. Will get a ticket
into the draw of 0.75 BTC and 150 PPC. Do note
some evidence is required.

If you can offer several tips or information, you get more tickets.
Do note it has to be a reasonable effort, and not just nothing.
Also if you can invalidate the other person information,
you take there ticket away!

Now the winner will be offered a choice, 0.75 BTC and 150 PPC
or 0.75 BTC and 115 PPC Btc equivalence, if you don't want
to go through hassles of downloading client.

Tickets so far:

1) Stephen Gornick *Evidence & information.
2) Yuhfhrh *Double spent information, and insight *forfeits ticket to Stephen Gornick
3) Stephen Gornick *Different information, double spending doesn't do anything, its just double spending of double spending.
4) dooglus *20,000 BTC, graph information


Dooglus takes Number: 4   (25% Chance of winning)
Stephen gornick, 1,2,3       (75% Chance of winning)


The second post, if you scroll to the bottom, is my story on satoshidice  :(

I have made a bet of 45 BTC, And I have achieved a win.
I haven't gotten payed out for over 10 hours.

http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=50&min_bet=45&status=UNKNOWN

Details   2012-12-01 14:46:13   lessthan 52000   a2dde181   4e951907   1AThpQ6   UNKNOWN   45.00000000
WIN   55.57721384   1678

And I also made another bet, of multiple bets about 10 hours later,


http://s7.postimage.org/fpc139x2z/bitcointransaction.png
http://s16.postimage.org/5h8t1aub9/walletupload.png
http://s18.postimage.org/hqdl3nbix/websiteconfirmation.png

Details   2012-12-02 00:15:18   lessthan 52000   8483446f   3faf4834   13cjE1V   PENDING   1.50000000   WIN   1.85209046   40845, I played 30 bets all from 0.0015% to 50% and then 1.5 BTC on 79%.
That was a win.

But nothing and nothing.

I contacted the admin, he didn't respond, Its been a longtime.
Site says immediately, and its not. This is the worst delay I ever had.
It has over 79 confirmations.

I tested bitzino out to confirm if its my side, and it got 1 bitcent instantly, it works perfectly.
So its satoshdice side.

From the delay, I want interest  >:(

Satoshdice is one of the biggest transaction on the network,
and its there job to make sure everything goes right, after all
it says payout is immediate.

From going against all your terms, and this unbelievable delay.
Make my 45 BET a 50% bet and it won for 90 BTC.
After all that's pennies and nickles to how much Satoshidice has made so far.
And it goes against all terms, so where's my interest >:(

Okay maybe that's high, but I should get a compensation, for holding my funds,
and going against your terms, and not just my funds about. I should get extra.

Besides this is the second time this delay occurred.

Me on satoshidice site
--------------------

Me: Lose
satoshidice:  :)

Me: Lose
satoshidice:  :D

Me: Lose
satoshidice:  ;D

Me: Lose
satoshidice:   :-*

Me: Win
satoshidice:  >:( NO?! FU! NO PAYMENT EVER?!

Me:  :(

The end.....

That's pretty sad.

I'm sure they'll sort your problem out but Im not so sure about the interest.

The thing is they go against there quote of Immediate payout,
and after all they are holding $717.88 Cash of my money!
That's a lot of money, and I want immediate access!
If someone holds my money, and I can not have access to it,
I should at least get interest or something, because
that time could be a time where I lend it to someone.

I lose out, and BTC can drop in value, and lets say I want to sell now.
Well I get hugely punished, I guess it goes both ways.
But The point is, if I was them, I would pay interest,
out of niceness, and compensation.

I mean they can be a complete utter jerk, and just hold my
money for 20 hours, and then pay me 100% back.
Even though its against there statement.
Because of that I should be rewarded.

Anyways I hope to get at least something,
if at all a 100% back is better then nothing!

http://s17.postimage.org/hwmoswv8v/aaaa2.png

Surely, they should change it to *may be extreme delay.
Now they lied, or a mistake occured. Now my compensation or interest?  >:(
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but after all they are holding
$720 cash equivalence, and that's a shit ton of money.

*doesn't need to wait for confirmation*

-Okay its been 80 confirmations. So that's a lie

And the first couple of times you expressed your concern, you didn't.

There seem to be extended delays at SatoshiDICE.com right now, from looking at their site:
 - http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&status=ALL

If you are hoping for fast payouts, you might want to not make any new wagers until SatoshiDICE staff gets things resolved.

You are given a ticket, thanks for your info. Anymore different info's will give you more chance of winning the jackpot above.

You are not the only one:
http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=UNKNOWN (http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=UNKNOWN)

I'm going to take a guess that it's just a technical problem, or part of the coins that were supposed to be your reward were double spent, so satoshidice couldn't make the payment. Some of the people have gotten a payment from satoshidice that are on that list, that have been unconfirmed for many hours, raising my suspicion. I think all you can do at this point is wait for satoshidice support.

Edit:
Example: The first transaction on the top of the list:
http://blockchain.info/tx/54a24ae9144184fa0e68c474a7f7106863a1c1a57fc77df3b162274e7b9eb9d7 (http://blockchain.info/tx/54a24ae9144184fa0e68c474a7f7106863a1c1a57fc77df3b162274e7b9eb9d7)

Satoshidice supposedly sent the transaction many hours ago (9 hours?), and it has not been included in any blocks.

So, possibly, one of these addresses performed a double spend on satoshidice?
1MSzmVTBaaSpKDARK3VGvP8v7aCtwZ9zbw
14719bzrTyMvEPcr7ouv9R8utncL9fKJyf
1DpsR91YmHUDTtiuH1pPCuG3RqAkmg6YKB
14ChPPM8rPYJeHnw6kMVUDnNNKx1KnjYW4
18XSLnBZ8ydMUkaifU6sQBMJzmm7JvDeUp
1JmcV7G3r8k7ev2EkS84MmsvxGyhiRGP84
1HVpyjYEPwQhvRQ3dL8tGe9kiydti616sX
1HjDauL2kth6KJUz5vX198Nvp1xN1hgYRb
1PeohaRGaTF8cSzDqP1yYfzDah66xiriEQ
1L4EThM6x3Rd2PjNbs1U136FpMq4Gmo3fJ

Edit2:
The first address on the list has a ton of unconfirmed transactions to satoshidice taking place many hours ago:
http://blockchain.info/address/1MSzmVTBaaSpKDARK3VGvP8v7aCtwZ9zbw (http://blockchain.info/address/1MSzmVTBaaSpKDARK3VGvP8v7aCtwZ9zbw)

Hold on I'm getting ahead of myself, all of these addresses belong to satoshidice.

Interesting, but I checked and I notice that from there address, they sent nothing. *on block explorer
Wouldn't it mean that they would have to send the winning, but
a double spend attack would make it that it doesn't reach my wallet?

Or am I getting it completely wrong?

And I can't provide the block explorer link because,
the site isn't loading for some reason,
And I don't remember the 79% Satoshdice address off heart,
to copy and paste the link above for you to see.

Simple version of what I'm envisioning:

Several transactions were sent to satoshidice, but were double spent to other addresses. Satoshidice assumed it had those coins, and tried to send them to several people but couldn't.

So you are right, the coins could never reach your wallet in this scenario.

I given you a ticket

http://blockchain.info/double-spends (http://blockchain.info/double-spends)

Shows a couple of double spends involving satoshidice, but not nearly as much as I was thinking.  I'm not sure.

Ouch. I guess satoshidice can't offer the instance payout features. They will have to wait 6 confirmations.
Bitparking lost 150 Bitcoins once do to this.

I just hope they didn't lost too much, to declare bankruptcy and forfeit everyone winning payments.
I notice they are doing all the little payments.

They should cancel all little payments, and give big payments 1st priority.
Alone fulfilling all little payments could cover some big payments.

Having a thousand people lose $8 is better then 20 people losing $400 I think.
I think higher should be given priority, and should be arranged like that.

They have plenty of money to cover these losses, if they are in fact actual losses. I haven't marked off technical problem yet lol

FFS, Would you just relax.

This is not the first time this happened.  Every transaction on SatoshiDICE that is a WIN eventually gets paid.    This is provable using the blockchain.

Your transaction confirmed.  It shows WIN.  You will get paid, just not right now apparently for whatever reason.
 - http://satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=a2dde18101ec3485fecb0d7b717371e1a61ff2ae2dff96002cf3683bde545b30

Incidentally, wagers that are double spends don't cost SatoshiDICE a thing, because even if they sent a payout for the WIN already the payout will not confirm either as it too will be a double spend.  And it is then no different from having never made a payout at all.

When these situations happen with SatoshiDICE, they can take a day or two to resolve.

There's nothing you can do but wait.

This is the best answer.

I know I am extremely hype, but if it was 1 bitcoin I wouldn't be reacting at all.
Its just that $720 doesn't grow on trees, and ironically I am suppose to pay
someone 26.5 BTC for a 7970 graphic card.

Now you may ask why I bet in the first place. I had amount of 45 BTC.
And I wanted to play with 4.5 BTC on 79% Odds, but after I clicked submitted,
I realize it was actually in fact 45 BTC.

*I was also confirming a address, and he responded a few hours later,
it was 4am in the morning, and then I decided to do this little bet for fun.
But made a massive insane error.

God damn I am lucky it was a WON. Most careless or biggest **** error I ever made.
I guess worst comes to worse I would go to an Canadian exchange and take out another $350,
and wait for another 5-7 days if I had lost.

Ironically even after the idiocy error, it rewarded me in the end with a $120 UP.

Ever since this happened I been triple checking or even quadruple checking that I don't make a mistake again.

lightlord,

you will get your $717.88 in 72 hours.

I will even bet 18.572 bitcoins. If accept and get your $717, you send me 18.572 btc. If not, I give you my entire wallet in 72hrs.

The countdown starts when you accept.

Heh.   Don't do it. lightlord or at least ask for like 100:1 odds.

[Edit:  TradeFortress ... at least make it look somehow fair.  "If not, I give you my entire wallet in 72hrs."]

^^ Updated my post, 2nd closest to bottom.

I might take 4 hours from now xD
I did get my 1.85 BTC just now.
So maybe they are coming in now.

But Not 72 hours xD

1.85 bitcoins bet, 12 hours.
Do it?

2.71828183 BTC Bet 8 1/2 hours and we have a deal.
^^ E=2.718, And I like the number E xD
Any other thing you say other then a *I AcCePt*
that is capitalized 28 size, and a red color with bold,
will make my offer immediately invalid. And every
letter has to be exact match as above.

And this just applies to one thread below.
And only one time. :)

And stamped you have 10 mins
to make this post from 7:50pm-8:00pm Vancouver BC TIME and at (Month: 12) (Dec  Day: 1)/ (Year: 2012)
Post below will declare if you made it in the time section.

Its just as silly as your 72 hour offer of 18 bitcoins  :)
Well times up! You had your chance  :)

Well Once I get my bitcoins draw will commence.

Stephen Gornick has 66.67% chance of winning atm
Yuhfhrh has 33.33% chance of winning atm

I forfeit my ticket to Stephen, he deserves them.

You don't want money?  :)

Btw, the draw starts when I get my 55 Balance.
So others may join

Of course I want money, but I want Stephen to have it more than me.  ;)

-- My conscience says I don't deserve them and it would be unfair to Stephen if I won them since he gave you the best answers.

I Could propose something interesting.
If your ticket hits, then your ticket goes on 50-50% chance satoshidice,
and if its a win, you both get 0.75 BTC!

That sounds better doesn't it?  :)

Just a thought

Ah, but I would prefer not to gamble the 0.75BTC that I feel belongs to Stephen in the first place. Let him decide.  :D

damn was looking for the *wait wink doesn't exist :/
But there may be others entering before 55 BTC balance arrives  :)
Not so fast there *Here wink goes.* Someone else may claim  :D

There are currently 1374 bets that have been confirmed which haven't had their payouts confirmed yet:

http://pastebin.ca/2262402 (it's too big to include in this post - I never hit the 64000 byte post size limit before)

It looks like SatoshiDice is being swamped by thousands of tiny bets which they're not able to deal with in a timely manner.

The blockage was probably initially caused by a double-spend attempt, which can have a large knock-on effect:  when you make a transaction using a double-spent bet as an input, all the outputs are doomed to never confirm.  Each of the transactions which you subsequently make using any of those outputs are also doomed to never confirm.  And so on.  Before you know it you have a huge tree of payouts which eventually just vanish because they depend on a double-spent bet.

Eventually some kind of a clean-up script will run at SatoshiDice and all the missing payouts will be redone.

It kind of sucks that you're having to wait, but you're not alone...

Notice that it's easy to pay out on a losing bet.  All you need is the losing bet as the transaction input.  You send part of it back to the losing player and the rest to a satoshidice change address.  So it doesn't matter if the satoshidice wallet is full of inputs that will never confirm; that doesn't impact their ability to pay out losing bets.  It does hinder their ability to pay out winners however.

This imbalance means that if you only look at fully confirmed bet+payout pairs, you'll see mostly losing bets showing up.  This is reflected in the graph of their profits over time.  Notice that for the last day or two their profits have been pretty much straight up.  Also notice that they're about 20,000 BTC in the black.  That doesn't look like bankruptcy to me.

https://i.imgur.com/fxxsJ.png

That's weird I randomly got 1 Bitcoin from nowhere?
Even though I hadn't made a bet of 1 Bitcoin?
1Jg8sUeKpDpj38RfXLGdEMeC9ErjwyGVHo
This person sent me a bitcoin.
If anyone knows that address let me know.

Other then that I am happy with a free bitcoin  :)

is this kind of thing resolved automatically with "blockchain magic" or does satoshidice have to manually correct these things ?
If the latter, it may explain the delays.

Something in between I think.

After a few days Erik usually posts that the delay was caused by an error and that it has now been fixed and the problem won't happen again.  ;)

Interesting, it seems that they are 20,000 positive.
Why don't they pay out everything immediately?

Or something wrong with there site?

Well Since you got graph + info, you also get a ticket.

My theory is that their wallet is currently a jumble of uncomfirmable and regular coins.  To pay out big wins they use lots of smaller coins.  There's a big chance that at least one of the coins they use is unconfirmable which in turn makes the payout unconfirmable.

Until they resolve that mess the situation will perpetuate itself.

So they're able to automatically pay out losses, but not wins.  Which is why the graph is only going up at the moment.

I update that graph every morning in this thread, in case you didn't see it before:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1372976#msg1372976

Sometimes I monitor bets of other players on SD site. And if I see that someone had had very little money and lost them due to failed Martingaling, I send them some coins so they could continue to play. Maybe someone does the same thing and sent 1 BTC to u.

Yea it would be nice, but I didn't loss my coins. I did win. Kinda odd the person would send 1 BTC to a winner of 10 bitcoins.
Not just that, I also sent 1 bitcent to less then 256 and won 2.56 Bitcoins. And I won another 11 bitcoins from another bet.
So overall I am up 23.56 Bitcoins which is incredibly unlikely, but lucky.

Glad the 7970 person understands the situation, and is willing to wait.
And I still haven't gotten my funds or bitcoins yet

I can't wait until people can make a living counseling SatoshiDice addicts.

Your jealous I won?  :)

1 bitcent is a tiny bet, nothing really. But I was shocked that to get back 2.56 Bitcoins.
Well I just tested out http://satoshiroulette.com/clone_dice/

There site works perfectly, and instantly atm.

Though the 45 Bet wasn't a tiny bet  ::) And it wasn't my intention to send that much, should
of been more careful. I wanted to send 4.5 BTC on 79%.

thebaron, there are lots that I saw on satoshidice that needs serious counseling. I saw a person
bet 250 Bitcoin on 50% 10 times, and lost 9 times in a row, ouch that had to hurt.
That was about $20,000ish.

Think of the hookers that would have bought.

my bad... i was doing both .001 and .003 bets lol i think i made something like 3000 bets in the last 48 hours... wasn't doing to terrible either didn't reali
ze it was gonna break satoshidice :(

When you play with such small amounts, aren't the transaction fees prohibitively large?  Even multiplying those bets by 10 would greatly reduce the percentage of your money going to tx fees.

sounds like there is a potential ddos in there :(

I need to study this stuff more, say I picked up a noisy wallet (1 million previous TX's) and spam

aiming to trigger some wins, in theory they would build a payout using my double spends and a large amount of their confirmed funds.
As I would be constantly double spending the same funds there is no cost to myself, but every time  they attempt to pay they are reusing only a small part of my double spend and also locking a large amount of the legitimate unpsent inputs in their wallet.

Its a bit concerning really as Id hate to see this instant style of gambling go away :(

does the network keep broadcasting double spends or are they eventually detected and redirected to /dev/null ?
do bad nodes that keep misbehaving get ignored ?

so many questions, sorry :)

Spread the love around  ;)

Nope.  With the Bitcoin.org client, if a transaction is in the memory pool and then a block arrives which double spends that first transaction essentially disappears.  It is no longer broadcast by any node once the block with the double spend is accepted.


What isn't known is if a double spend occurred because of a race attack, or Finney attack or for whatever reason.  A Finney attack is little easier to identify as the transaction would arrive and then the block with the double spend would arrive fairly quickly right after (a few seconds or less in most instances).

Instances of these double spends aren't frequent but when they do occur the way they have with SatoshiDICE they can propagate quickly and impact a larger number of people.

This is yet another example of where if you are using the Bitcoin.org client, you are minimally impacted or not affected at all (as it doesn't let you spend a transaction you received until it has at least one confirmation).  [Edit: strike that.  The situation the OP reported is simply a payout that didn't occur, not that a payout included a double spend.]

What! Um, Either I am super lucky, or I don't know what.

I was going to cash out my remaining balance to Canadian bitcoin exchange.
I copied and paste in the address pressing ctrl+c and so on the site.
And I rushed to clicking sent, and submit.

But I realized that in my paste history, it had 50% Satoshidice,
OMFG?! Is this the second time I messed up? It appears
the ctrl+c function failed, or I didn't click it properly.
It happened in the past, only a few times though in the following year.
Perhaps a glitch, error, i don't know what.

Lesson learned, don't make bitcoin transactions when its 4 am in the morning,
and your 1/2 asleep.


But Ironically. I won.
And now I have 46 BTC, + have bought the graphic card of 7970.


I feel unbelievably stupid, and at the same time, incredibly happy that this error did occur.

Now I get to cash out $575 to my bank  :)

Though I was making a withdrawal of $350 to buy bitcoins for the 7970.

It feels wrong to have a 7970+$575 Cash in bank.

 :)

http://s12.postimage.org/vaxnmb36l/aaaaaaaa.png

 ::)

yes that means my 58 Bitcoins finally arrived.
yes I payed someone 26.5 Bitcoins for a 7970

I had remaining 31.5 BTC. Yes I did spent 9 BTC
on a bet on satoshidice, dropping to 23 BTC and losing.
It was on 85% and for fun. I opened up my book address,
and double clicked an address.

What ever would be the outcome I would cash out the remaining balance.
Yes I loss, and then I opened up the Canadian exchange.
Then I clicked the deposit address on the site, and clicked ctrl+c
at least I thought I did.

And yes I then clicked ctrl+v, and yes I didn't carefully read over the address.
Yes this was incredibly stupid. Lesson learned, always double checked.
And don't do this 4am in the morning.

And yes, somehow I am incredibly happy to be doing bitcoin transactions
in my sleep, as the error really did pay off.

And yes I am over all amazed.


I should have 3.5 BTC, because the 28 I bought was to cover the 7970 (26.5 BTC)
But some how I have 46 BTC, because of multiple reasons. If your wondering
why I bought 28, even though the gpu costed 26.5. I decided to want a balance
of 5 BTC or so to play with far into the future.

1) During the buying process of the 7970, I decided to throw a bet of 0.01 on satoshidice
on a really low odds on the site. And to my amazement I won. I now had 7.9 Bitcoins or so.
I decided my luck wasn't over, and I placed this on 79% taking me to 10 bitcoins nearly.
Now I received my 28 for total of 38 BTC. And yes I got incrediblely lucky again with
a bet on satoshidice. Like above. Now getting to 45 BTC.

2) Now with 45 BTC I decided to place a wager on 79%, but with only 0.45 at least that's what I intended.
But in the end somehow I end up sending 45 BTC. (Human error)

3) Now with a win again. I am up to 55 BTC. Okay now I bought the 7970 and I now have 31.5 BTC.
I decided to make a spin of 85% with 9 BTC. (No matter the outcome, I would cash out the remaining)

4) Now I have 23 BTC. I then ctrl+c and ctrl +v and I click sumbit, to candian exchange.
But it happen to be the 50% bet. That getting on my clip board, and not copying and pasting
properly, I don't know. I suspect it was a 0.01 BTC I made bet on it as a test for unknown etc some time earlier.
And that had to of remained on my clip board. Though I wasn't thinking of this at the time, Completely not.

5) Now I have 46 BTC.


And that's how I end up going from 3.5 BTC that I should have to having acquired 46 BTC.

I am lucky and yes I admit stupid to somehow mange that.
Idiots ultimately get rewarded in the end it seems it :)

Well that went well all I can say  :)

Not super. Just lucky. 50% of ppl would win if they sent coins to Lessthan 32768.

I recall I made a bet (something like 50 BTC) and received very small amount back, I thought I had lost so I sent 100 BTC. After a while I received 100 BTC and 200 BTC! A small investigation showed that after the 50 BTC bet I got a winning for one of stuck bets I had made a day before.  :)

There are a lot of stories when ppl won a lot of coins playing SD. There are also a lot of stories when ppl lost a lot of coins playing SD, but they just don't tell it to anyone.  ;)

^ Nice :) That' would make my day.... I would never dare bet so much...

It's REALLY easy to do. I was playing around waiting for the reward halving, playing a martingale starting at .01. I went on a bad run, and it didn't take long before I was in way over my head. You keep thinking "the next one has to pay!"... Lost 12 BTC by the time I bailed out. Before that, the most I ever played on SD was .1.  :-[

Well... I started with 0.25 BTC and was martingaling. That's why I was forced to bet 100 BTC at the end.

awesome.... Glad it worked out :)

I think it's time for the dice to quit bloating the blockchain and memory pools with crap transactions and just make an account system with BTC-balances for those who want to use it and lose it.

If the bitcoin network can't handle it, it has no chance of handling wide spread adoption.

It's just fine.. more sites like this are starting up

So the 50 BTC win was pretty much just covering your losses, and the 100 BTC win was pure profit.  Nice!


Who won the bounty?

Sorry I forgot xD
I just got from work.

I am doing the draw now.
and posting it.

Drumroll?

http://s7.postimage.org/4h0wr3xh7/randomorg.png

Dooglus Wins!

You had a 25% chance of winning, Good Job  :)
Now waiting for BTC address

Precisely. The Bitcoin network better be ready to handle 100x as many transactions as SatoshiDICE is spitting out... and that's just for the next couple years.

SatoshiDICE has simply moved the "need to make the blockchain more efficient" further ahead into the present. Instead of the devs tackling the problem in a year or two, they've been forced to tackle it now. And indeed they have... the 0.8v has significant pruning/efficiency upgrades.

lightlord - I'm glad your issue got resolved and you won tons of money even though you made silly mistakes :)

Could I ask that you change the thread title to [RESOLVED]?

:)

1ELwWYAezf7xft9VcEkNLCiouxZmCBewJe

Thanks!

150 PPC with wallet Pm?
or 115 PPC with btc equivalence?
Winner is offered a choice.

Best regards
Lightlord

I received the 0.75 BTC; thanks for that.

I've been trying to find out about PPC because this is the first time I've heard about it.  I've not found a lot.

I think I'm going to have opt for the BTC equivalence.  :)

My Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124369.0
Exchange: https://ppcexchange.bitparking.com/
Download: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ppcoin/files/latest/download?source=files
PPCSite: http://www.ppcoin.org/
Place to mine: https://www.coinotron.com

Here take a look at these before you opt. Once you decided then you can reconfirm your choice.

Best regards
Lightlord

Glad to see you have resolved the latest payout issues, its a shame you stayed quiet and only commented on this thread after it was  resolved, still Im guessing SD keeps you busy.

I was in Macau/Hong Kong all last week also :)

Macau The Gambling capital of China..... Hope you didnt lose to much ;)