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Ive been using master-P to escrow signature campaigns ive been managing for well over a year now. Never had any sort of problems with him and never had a reason not to trust him. Ive actually recommended him to quite a few ppl because he has never been anything less than professional. Recently i made a pretty decent amount of btc and started a lending thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1296798.0 as well as a currency exchange thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300726.0 looking for paypal funds. Obviously paypal is a sketchy deal with a 180 day chargeback period so i would not deal with just anyone.

Well i login to the forum 1 night and i recieve a message from master-P looking to do a rather large deal for some paypal.I have had such a good relationship with the guy i didnt even hesitate to send him the funds 1st. Then the whole mess begins. I waited for an hour(maybe a little less) and messaged him asking where my funds were. And the excuses started coming. Rather then try to type all this out im gonna post a shitload of images of our messages back n for starting dec 24th til last night.

Before i post all that i also want to know what i do about the 3 campaigns he is currently holding funds for? I cannot pay these guys for advertising for these companies because lets face it, master-P took all i had left and even if i had the 1.5 btc i sold him id still be short. I also do not want my acct tagged red because i failed to pay these campaigns. Its obviously not my fault since the escrow or guy we all thought was the escrow ran off with our money.

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After many messages to him i get these responses.

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So theres my proof in a nutshell and as everyone else who has posted accusations he hasnt moved any coins from any of the escrow addresses. I can post his signed messages from the campaigns as well showing he is escrow for obits campaign ore mining and coibet24 campaigns

You can trust the same number of people I do... a very select few based on my own dealings.  This is where "DT" and other people's opinion(s) can become very problematic.  If I sold my account one could become a hero member very quickly and then use that and my past of not scamming anyone as "proof" of legitimacy.

This is why I have said, and will continue to, that default trust needs to go away.

master-P has escrowed 20-30btc for me over the course of the last year from all the campaigns ive managed. Why wouldnt i trust him to send me cash for a paypal trade or to hold coins for the 3 campaigns im currently managing?

Theres a small chance hes not scamming and if he isnt ill remove this post n move on with my daily life but everything sure looks bad for now

If you want my opinion, don't trust anyone who has multiple accounts and remains anonymous (like Quickseller)

I have only the one account and my RL identity is known.  If I scam anyone, I could easily be sued.

Looks like your screwed for paying up for those campaigners. Better inform all members you are unable to pay them before you yourself get neged bombed for not informing them sooner.  ::)

thats a good idea my mind is going crazy right now and i didnt even think about that honestly

Same applies here :

Guys, he hasn't been online for a while, i think we should just give hiim some time, i also heard that his account was sold, is there any actual proof of this or just hear say?
it looks like its a good time to setup my little escrow business

I disagree 100% with this statement. We use escrows for a reason, so we are not responsible for the funds. The escrows used on this forum are supposed to be 100% trustworthy but look at what happens when users become greedy.

If i was holding these funds personally then id say yea i owe these campaigns but i help 0 of the money for these campaigns

same, theres a difference in the roles the escrow and manager take in the signature campaign business. the manager's job (assuming these roles are held by separate parties) is to count people's posts and relay the payment information to the person responsible, which may be the escrow or service owners. to place blame on the party that has no control or role in the payments themselves being sent out makes no sense to me.

OP, let me get this straight: You sold the coin you were trusted with to pay for sig campaigns?
You know what that's called IRL, right? Embezzlement.

i think youre incapable of reading. that was his own coin he sold. the coins to pay campaign participants were entrusted to the person currently behind the master-p account.

omg youre so retarded. I sold my own funds ive earned nothing to do with campaign funds at all. Dont come in here posting on this thread unless you have a clue what youre saying

What's OP's job then? Why would he escrow the coins he's been entrusted to pay out? Doesn't trust himself?
zomg no u!!!11!
If you didn't lose the campaign funds, you got nothing to worry about, why even bring it up? :)

Ignore newbies.  If they don't have the courage to post from their real account, it means they don't really believe in what they are posting.

Most users on the forum dont join campaigns unless funds are safely escrowed with 1 of the top 5 guys on the forum, so they know that theyll get paid. Obviously we dont expect anyone to run off with the money but in this case it seems to have happened.

Im pretty sure with my reputation here i could have held the coins myself and been fine but ive always used master-P and hes always been a solid guy

If I were in the situation you are in right now,
I would contact the persons who stand behind the campaigns I manage.
Explain the situation to them, ask them to honor all open payments and to decide whether or not they want to continue running a signature campaign
and how they want to proceed, if.
What you should not do is leaving the users in your campaigns behind without any payment, blaming everything on the escrow and moving on.

I agree that you shouldn't be held accountable as a hired campaign manager,
however the persons who hired you should,
and they should step foreward in this situation and try to come clean with everyone enrolled.

So yahoo62278, you're telling me the 'trusted escrow' holds all the money, and parcels it out to you when you need to make a payment? How does 'trusted escrow' know how much to send you? You tell him? Or does 'trusted escrow' also count posts?
Curiouser and curiouser.
Which sig campaigns are you 'managing'?
And how does the coin you sold him figure into all of this?

Would you shut up please?
Obviously you either dont know shit about how escrows are used in signature campaigns or are just trolling.
Either way, it doesn't benefit the thread.
FYI: The manager sends payment information (including addresses and amounts) to the escrow holding the funds, who then broadcasts the transaction.

Have you looked at his trust lately? It is near 500 red and counting since this story broke that he has been a fraud since August. That is a long time to be have been setting up people here for a massive fall. :o

im still looking through the threads for proof, i havent seen anything conclusive though

So how are you involved in all of this? The spammers never got paid by you, always by 'trusted escrow,' so why would they blame you when not getting paid? Why all the hubub?
And again,
Which sig campaigns are you 'managing'?
And how does the coin you sold him figure into all of this?

So this signed message from an address staked by master-p in march didn't seem conclusive to you?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13378692#msg13378692

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You seem to have confused me ;)
Go back and read again. Hint: I'm not OP.

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Can't do that, but can tell you that he is holding 2BTC, 2.2BTC, 1.66BTC and 2.8BTC in escrow for the 4 campaigns I know that used him.

Can somebody estimate how much is the total amount of money scammed by master-P?
Things are getting worse and worse, many scams have been lately, trust nobody :(

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ok, i am convinced now, leaving feedback (doesnt matter unless your trust list is depth 4)

You're not OP, but answered a question I posed to OP? And, on top of that, had the audacity to tell me to shut up?
WTF is wrong with you bro?

I do remember doing a escrow with him a month back and he said he was late due to a family member (a cousin I think) that was in the hospital. I know it is gullible to believe such stories but I didn't think much of it because of being 12 hours late.
Lets hope he has a better excuse this time because the amount was smaller compared to the untotaled amount everybody is saying they have lost so far.

I feel sorry about this whole situation, Yahoo "Gun". I know the last months, you have worked hard in all sig campaigns acquired by you.

You dont deserved it.

Lets hope the scam does not become real.

Cheers, ツ

From this it seems that there are more than 19 bitcoins in total.
I am really wondered how will the signature campaigns cover the loss.

Damn yahoo.... That is a big loss.

Well, this is what happens when escrow accounts get sold  :-\ :-\

Maidak and now this. Sorry, I think im really done trading in this forum. I'll just join sig campaigns and just withdraw the bitcoins.

I think pretty much some people had done the same. Thank you scammers for destroying what bitcoin has to offer.

I think Ognasty is someone you can trust with escrowing. But seriously this scam is huge... Damn, sorry for your losses yahoo.

Sorry to hear that, Yahoo.  This sucks big time and I am chagrined to hear of all of this. 

Thanks guys for the words but i feel more sorry for the campaign users whom are basically advertising free now :( and for the owners of the companires i just messaged to let them know the story.

I have opened a thread to ask the community for helpif anyone is interested. wearing free sigs or donations for users to be paid. Anyone weilling to help would be appreciated greatly

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307344.0

Words of Wisdom from Vod himself. It is completely foolish to trust people with all your money without knowing your identity. There are people who are legitimately interested in the bitcoin community and Master-P wasn't one of those individuals.

I''m sorry for your loss. TECSHARE is selling his dox, and you might be able to use that as leverage to get your BTC back.

If you take a look at the 2nd half of this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13384987#msg13384987) post, you will see that master-p most likely did not sell his account.

An an FYI, it is very helpful to actually post any addresses and/or txid's when creating these kinds of threads (even if you also post pictures of PM conversations), so they can be searched for.

For refrence: the txid in the screenshot in the OP is b0833df15299853f26baac9d33aa2b466e165a99df3f772db6dfba6d5605e7b0

Well negative trust is there for a reason .even if somebody has 238 negative trust and you still trade then it is your own fault also .

golapani can you fucking read?

That negative trusts was given today and yesterday, when yahoo traded him he still had perfect clean trusts.

It is getting harder and harder to trust anyone here. I myself could have fallen victim to Master-p as I would have trusted him for smaller amounts like yourself. Unfortunately the way his account was sold would be impossible to have known about  :-[

Well missed that detail .anyways it is sad.

He is probably enjoying himself on a beach in south africa or carribean or maybe australia god knows.

with 10 or 20 BTC? he might enjoy it for a couple of days. then seeing how easy it was he'll be back to run another long con

Quoting to make sure the message is received.

Quoted. Would be a good thing to do mate. Cheers.

Ask him yourself, he is on this thread trying to get everybody their coins back apparently ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13386984#msg13386984
But many are not believing it is really him. You decide

You can't trust anyone... only yourself  ;D.

What an useful advice, thanks to you all scams will be gone now.

Of course the scammer will never go, that's obvious.

but if you think for 5 second, my sentence was correct ... you can't trust anyone.



When an escrow sold his account and his 'digital identity) (pgp and bitcoin private key) then it will be hard to trust someone on internet.

Little Richard

We lied to each other so much
That in nothing we trust

Then we might aswell stop using bitcoins if we can't trust anyone, what's the point?

I'm using bitcoin on other place, the point is that in this forum there are lot of scammer(s). Of course there are some users here that I've met in real life , so I trust them.

But what happens now?

For example, i've some tread in wich i ask for loan and i offer Jewels or Gold as collateral (simply because i pay this gold over 1700$ and i woud'nt sell it for having loss) . But if we can't trust in ledendary escrow on BTC talk, there is any other way to ensure lender and borrower?

I think, the only way, is to use 2 escrow for a simple transaction. It could be simply, for example by using 2F. First escrow has the password, second escrow has the 2F.

The rank doesn't mean anything when the buy/sell of forum accounts is allowed, like it was happened this time when the original creatore of master-P sold his account to another one (that have continued to act as escrow).

So Master-P sold his account to another user? And this user continue to act as escrow? Little ponzi i suppose....

Verify his message :

 :o
 :'(

But, he sold his account and no one has noticed of this sell until new holder scam those people? I think he was uncorrect to forum. On meta board or reputation board he should post that he sold Master-P

If he did post that he has sold his account the community will left him a lot of neutral ( & also negative) trust. So it's normal that he didn't post anything.

I think the "original" mastep-p help  this scammer to fraud a lot of user...... This is only my opinion, but his silence help a scammer!

nobody.. you're all idiots.

Ohh thats really Sad you Lost your Own Fund too.

i also LOST .05BTC actually, from one of the campaign he holding fund. Now this is serious question to whom we really trust to escrowing our funds?

Stick with OgNasty and Blazed and you'll be fine.

Multisig transactions could be of help but if people need escrows to hold funds for campaigns, it would be better if they could ask the escrow for their ID proof and then verify the same. If the user cannot provide an ID proof if he is working as an escrow, he should not be trusted with so much cash.

This is not a good idea as ID and even selfie with the ID can be fake.

If the person takes a selfie (while he is logged in and his BCT details being reflected in the picture) which also shows him holding his ID proof, I doubt it could be faked so easily. Possibilities are there but it's only needed for the already reputed escrows of the forum. I doubt any new escrow can be trusted now.

and then what?

if the escrow runs away the customer can post a pic that turns out to be some random guy with a wig and a fake ID?

the point is - this won't be enough to defeat someone who is DETERMINED to scam and also this won't help if there is a collusion/fake trade

a person who is well-known publicly might be a more reliable escrow but then why would such a person do escrow in a shitty forum for a measly 1%

The person who wants to scam would definitely do so. However, if his ID is verified along with his address proof, he can easily be arrested if he scams any user. Master-P scammed $12000 which is a huge amount and if his ID is known, he can get arrested for cheating. It's a criminal offense after all and no scammer should escape.

If the scammer won't reveal his identity he wouldn't do so ,he will use fake ID along with fake selfie..I believe there are some guys that would do everything for quick buck,so this is not a big deal

>arrested for cheating
That a felony where you're at?

Before anything happens, someone must press charges. Who? Yahoo1728736? The guy promoting an illegal gambling site & "web wallet/cloud miner/ponzi scheme"? Rly?

Most of the transactions here are grossly illegal, and folks behind them are (at best) tax cheats/petty scufflaws, and (more likely) fraudsters themselves -- a crack whore is more comfortable with calling the cops.
"Can't cheat an honest man" ain't helping any of the 'victims' here, you can count on that. Because the scammers sure do.

Another thing the scammers count on is that each individual swindle is pathetically small, less than a few grand, not worth going after.

Yet another is that victims are spread out across the globe, different jurisdictions.

TL;DR: As ridiculous as trying to bring in the cops on a bad dope deal. Prove me wrong :)

I am still confused why anyone would trust a deal without escrow, and a person with RED reputation.

you missed the "wig and fake ID" part. There is no reason for a determined scammer to post their REAL identity.

so it would have to be publicly verifiable, perhaps even a registered business, in order to have any recourse

which brings a lot of other issues such as the legality of the deals going on here

Master-P was one of the "Big 5" -- most trusted escrows on this forum. He was also on the default trust.
The red trust happened later.

the problem here IS the escrow, and he/she was bright green when the problem happened

I am still confused why people don't take the effort to read the whole thread and understand the situation before posting.

this is absolutely a reasonable way to operate….

but it's impossible avoid account selling, and one question arise…

You prefer make honestly 5 btc yearly or scam 12 btc in one time?
Who bought this masterp acc. decide to scam… prefer 12 btc in one time… I hope no another one, of the escrow top 5 sell the account!

I just wanted to point out that master-P's excuse that he couldn't send the coins does actually make sense. He is (most likely) using Armory 0.93.2 (it says it in the signed message that supposedly comes from him) which has a problem with High S values in signatures and any transaction that has a High S value is no longer standard so any of his transactions would not be relayed and would be rejected by many nodes and miners.

So if he is actually not scamming, then he may just be unable to send the coins back. Or if he is scamming, then he may be unable to move them (which would explain why we haven't seen any of the coins move yet).

If the account was sold or hacked and all of the info given away, then this issue wouldn't explain why the coins didn't move, unless the hacker also is using old Armory versions.

Good point, but if I was the hacker ... then I will move the coin as soon as possible.

I keep hearing that. Can you explain why?

Because then two people would have access to the coins. The thief would want to move the coins out ASAP so that the owner cannot reclaim them. Likewise the owner would want to move the coins out to another wallet ASAP so that the thief cannot steal them.

Has he show up again to clear up what happened yet?

Too many threads to go over for full story. Maybe a run down for the people who don't have the time to go over 200 posts about this incident.

And until last week it was: stick to OgNasty, Blazed and master-p and you will be fine. The truth about escrow services are: it is being advertised as stable - until it is isn't.
And you really can't say for sure if some long known escrow one day change his mind and run away with your money because he feels 'tired' of the forum.

Still don't get it -- you mean we're assuming that "the hacker" isn't Master-P? Hasn't this been ruled out?

The difference is Master-P only had good reputation for about a year.  OGNasty and Blazed have been here much longer and have been trusted with much greater amounts. Also as far as OGNasty if his ID is not public, it would not be hard to find considering he is running other related businesses. This is what you get when you RESEARCH YOUR TRADING PARTNERS instead of trusting green and red numbers from a corrupt and broken trust system to tuck you in and tell you everything will be ok.

Yes. A hacker would mean that an outside party (not Master-P) hacked Master-P's computer and stole stuff. If you are saying that "the hacker" is Master-P, then that is just Master-P exit scamming, no hacking involved.

I don't think it has been entirely ruled out, just that it is unlikely he got hacked.

So what you're telling me is OGNasty and Blazed are even more trustworthy than Master-P? :o
Is such a thing even possible?


I suppose. Wasn't he into crypto and stuff? You suppose OGNasty and Blazed are any better at securing their boxen? Odd number of h4xx0rings in a community so well versed in comp. security/obsessive about privacy.

Actually yes, I would trust Blazed and OGNasty any day over Master-P. Of course it is possible that any human being has a change of heart or circumstances that will lead them to scam, but not only are they both very technologically proficient, they have had chances to steal MUCH MUCH more. This is why I am an advocate of researching your trading partners and doing P2P trades without escrow. Taking smaller risks to test out your trading partner is what REAL LIVE TRUST NETWORKS are made of. Because you can't ever really tell if you can trust some one until you give them a chance to rip you off and they CHOOSE not to. A repeated pattern of them not abusing these circumstances is what builds real actual human trust.

Consider that risk a down payment on an actual useful trust network not controlled by politics and kickbacks but your own knowledge of the people you trade with. I try to avoid escrow if at all possible, and my reputation is usually sufficient to convince people it is ok to send payment to me first, however occasionally people refuse to trade without escrow (because people pound into their head that anyone refusing escrow is a scammer usually). When I am forced to use escrow I use OGNasty.

P.S. What is the plural form of Ox? Oxen. What is the plural form of box? Boxen? THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE SUN!

>they have had chances to steal MUCH MUCH more.
Heard that about *every scam on bitcointalk.* Each and every one.
Second in popularity only to "Why would they [do ___] if they were scamming? It just don't make no sense!"

Not dissing either OG or Blazed, BTW, have no reason to.

P.S. didn't you say you were going to dump the dox today?

I think your problem is you just believe what people tell you. If you do your own research what everyone else is saying is irrelevant.

No, I set a deadline of January 1st. If he can sign a message as "The real Master-P" or starts returning funds, I will delay this deadline of course.

^^You misunderstood me. I'm just amazed by how willingly people get scammed here. And how willingly they return for more. And how hostile they get when told "hey, you're about to get scammed again."

Take this yahoo[somenumber] character. Stiffed everyone on his spam campaigns (apparently, because the totally-not-his ponzi he was promoting got stiffed by Master-P), is asking for handouts in another thread, and only *one* person asked for the pittance due them.

That is funny considering he was criticizing me and calling me "no better" than Master-P for asking for a bounty for his dox. Funny how the moral fingerwaggers are usually the first to not follow their own advice.

How do you say that i stiffed anyone? I dont see how you think its my responsibility to pay the campaigns if the escrow took off with the funds? I opened that thread to try and get the ppl currently in those campaigns some of their pay. I have 0 money to my name as my funds were taken by the same guy. If i was the escrow for these campaigns then sure the responsibility would fall on me but all i do is manage here. You can take your attitude and shove it dude. Go troll someone else.

This is supposed to be a community, another reason the thread was started i was hoping to see a few ppl get together and help out in the situation. It only seems to me that alot of ppl wanna talk shit whom arent involved or are not even trying to help the situation.

Really aggravates me that you try to put the blame on me for any of this. Im a victim here as well as others but i dont see you jumping mexxers ass cause hes not gonna be paying out the campaign. Maybe you are mexxer idk. I dont really care at this point. Seems like youre adding me to the witch hunt and thats bullshit.

@TECSHARE when i made that comment i was pissed off at the whole damn world cause this whole mess has basically cost me 1k USD. the money i lost in the 1.5 btc sale and the money i was gonna make from managing this campaign. So i was a bit pissed off that ppl actually had his info but werent releasing it. I also wasnt aware that you had a plan in mind either. I just wanna see this situation resolved with as little of a loss for everyone as their can be

I really know very little about what the campaign managers are doing, and frankly I don't care that much. In my opinion tho, the party who chose Master-P as escrow to pay out the campaign funds is liable for their loss, and stiffing the signature holders is wrong. Just as if Master-P was actually hacked, he would still be responsible for any coins lost under his care, the same is true for whoever is responsible for putting Master-P in charge of signature payout funds. Just because a 3rd party robbed you does not mean you are not still under contract with 2nd parties. I realize this is frustrating being victimized twice, but this was your personal responsibility to prevent these scenarios (assuming you chose Master-P as escrow).

Managers arent paid enough to assume responsibility of paying a campaign if the escrows takes off. Thats ridiculous to even consider. No matter whom chooses the escrow the escrow recieves the money. I never see it so i dont see where your logic makes any sense.

Were you the one who transferred the funds to Master-P? Then it is your responsibility. If you aren't getting paid enough for your risk you need to ask for more or demand the advertisers cough up the missing funds. Otherwise these are just excuses. No one said it was fair. It is however your responsibility regardless of what Master-P did as you made agreements with 3rd parties.

I would agree with you on this. It is the responsibility of the company that is receiving the advertising to ensure that signature campaign participants are paid as they are the ones receiving the benefits of such advertising. It is the escrow that is guaranteeing (and in many cases, making) the payments to signature campaign participants.

It does not matter who choose suggested the escrow, as at the end of the day, all parties to a transaction agreed to use a particular person as escrow.

1. Were you told by the scumbags reputable establishments you represent that they refuse to honor their debts?
2. Did the participants entered into a contractual agreement with you, scumbags reputable establishments you represent, or Master-P?

In a separate thread, you claimed losses of 6+ BTC.
3. Did the scumbags reputable establishments you represent authorize you to beg on this forum, on their behalf? And to claim their losses as yours?
4. In your begging thread, you ask people to display the sigs from the scumbags reputable establishments you represent for free. Did the scumbags reputable establishments you represent authorize this?

Yeah, life's unfair like that. Please answer the questions enumerated above.
ty.

I dunno why you guys are jumping on the campaign manager's back. He did everything by the book, and all that should have been expected of him. These guys just get paid a nominal fee to administer the campaign. The agreement, certainly in spirit, is between the advertising company and the participants. If the manager were handling funds irresponsibly, it is incumbent upon the advertising company to sack him and move forward with a more responsible manager. But that isn't what happened here.

Master-P either exit scammed or got hacked. Really not sure how that makes a campaign manager responsible for his advertiser's debts. When my company has a dispute with a vendor, we don't scapegoat the attorney that signed the agreement. We place blame with the vendor.

No. Read the Coinbet sig thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302647.0). No mention of participants' pay depending on the escrow not running away. I expect to receive the wages promised me, unless the company employing me declares bankruptcy. Both the gambling site & the totally real ugaise cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operations claim to be doing just fine.

@madjules007: Begging for money is not, strictly, "by the book." Either OP or the scumbags reputable establishments he represents ripped off the spammerscampaign participants.

OP didn't incur any spam-related losses. He lost the coin he was selling (@+10% lol).
The scumbags reputable establishments he represents incur any losses.
The spammerscampaign participants did. And they ain't begging. Not even asking for their due :-\

In the case of Coinbet, it would be coinbet that is responsible for making the payments as they would be the one who received the benefit of the signature advertising. The campaign manager is merely an employee 

Fine. Who is behind Coinbet, let's paint their trust red. (have't checked the wording in his other thing, the cloud mining/web wallet/MLM operation. Doing that now.
Edit: Done. Same shit. Who's behind Ore mining? Let's paint their trust red.

yahoo62278 have you tried contacting the companies and seeing if they would still send payments for the campaigns?

yahoo62278 is just doing his part at least pay those who participated in the campaign which is a good gesture rather than sit back and wait for payments coming from escrow. I don't see a reason why campaign managers will be held liable for the loss since they are just managing the campaign and funds are not held by them. No campaign manager would like this to happen so lets not put pressure on the campaign managers please.

I have no idea, however if the participants end up not receiving their payment, then they can open a scam accusation.

I can say that I have recently received my payment from the owner of the company behind my (previous) signature campaign whose funds were stolen by master-p

It's not his place to decide if the participants get paid. No more than it's my place to decide if they get paid.
It's not his place to insult the spammers participants for wanting the 'measly $5" that's owed them.
According to him, he's just a post-counting peon, never touches the money. Why the begging thread then?

@Quickseller: I'm not surprised. My creditors expect me to pay them, regardless of my getting robbed. I, in turn, expect the same from my debtors.
*I would also fire any employee who, unbeknownst to me, told my creditors to STFU about the 'measly' sums I owe them.

And where do you expect the funds will come from? From Master-P? He's gone or something to that nature.
What's wrong with the begging thread? yahoo62278 is going beyond of what is being expected from him so what is wrong with that?

The money would come from the scumbags reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents, where it always (allegedly) comes from, where else? Have you visited the Ore Mine website? He's They're totally huge bro, paying out thousands of BTC, according to him them! I'd think 1 BTC won't break them, especially since community-conscious yahoo will forfeit his cut for greater justice :-\

>What's wrong with the begging thread?
Begging is not allowed on bitcointalk. It's one of the few stated rules here.

I don't see this as begging, and your complaints about this are probably going to fall on deaf ears given what happened.  He's soliciting donations to try to right a wrong that was done to this community.  If you can't be at least that flexible, I feel sorry for you.  But as far as who should own the liability, it's whoever is paying the sig spammers.  I agree with you on that.

^^
You'd have a great point if the begging was for a good cause -- curing cancer or saving puppies or getting some decent smack.  It's not. It's for a shifty 'passive profits' web wallet/scammy cloud mining/gambling sites.
If you're running shit like that and you STILL have to beg, you're doing it fucking wrong :(

On a more practical note, have  the scumbags reputable establishments yahoo62278 represents actually refuse to pay? If not, WTF is yahoo doing, and, if yes, lets give them some red trust, so that people would know them for the scumbags reputable establishments that they are.

well then it's time for you to throw your employer(s) under the bus

please post a list of all your signature campaign "owners" who refuse to compensate their sig holders

Yeah, I agree but Yahoo hasn't taken any donations yet anyway.  Have the campaign owners chimed in on this at all?  I don't think the burden is on Yahoo at all; I'm just trying to help.

This is to answer the "Who the hell can I trust here" part.

I'd say Ognasty. He's got a solid reputation.

locking this for now to await what the owners of the campaigns say if anything, and to prevent the useless arguing and witch hunting thats going on. will reopen when i have some answers

I have finally received mails from the owner of coinbet24 and from owner of ore mining. "Hmmm there are bad news. Did he steal all the sum?
Well, let's make a payments in the end of this period without any escrow" is from the owner of ore mining.  can show the pm if needed but everyone will be paid who was in the campaign for this week. I will see if hes planning on continuing campaign for the entire term but this is positive for those who advertised for the past week.

Coinbet owner pmmed me and he will honor his payment term. He has also posted in the official campaign thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302647.40

Obits has however not replied to any messages as of yet. I will keep everyone posted but i cant promise anything

I'm not reading though 6 pages of posts, so I'll just ask anyways:
Did you contact the campaign managers get?  I'm not sure how they'll react but honestly someone has to take responsibility, and if its not master-p (although it seems more likely than not right now) it has to be the campaign manager or owner.

Edit:  geez didn't see your replies above, lol.  My message still replies if a campaign owner is not willing to cover up the funds.

If you still need an escrow, there are plenty on her (if master-p doesn't come back).  LMK if you need any help.

Read the post above yours. 2/3 campaigns i was managing have agreed to pay the campaigns out. The 3rd i have received no reply from so far. Iam and have been taking all the correct steps as a manager. My attitude during the beginning of this mess was questionable but i lost 1000$ personally in this mess so i hope you guys can understand my mind was in a pissed off place.

I am trying to get users paid though