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Title: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Lutzow on January 14, 2016, 03:03:23 AM
So I was wondering, will signature campaign still be allowed on the new forum or will they cut it?
I've seen so many threads here they are not in favor of having signature campaign due to the fact that many people abuse it and makes a lot of spam.

Do you think the will remove campaigns or will there be rules implemented to just keep the spammers away?


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Naoko on January 14, 2016, 03:55:42 AM
So I was wondering, will signature campaign still be allowed on the new forum or will they cut it?
I've seen so many threads here they are not in favor of having signature campaign due to the fact that many people abuse it and makes a lot of spam.

Do you think the will remove campaigns or will there be rules implemented to just keep the spammers away?

Just took a look at new forum.Fast and Sleek Design!The End of Signature Campaigns ?

Signatures are going to be added back in at some point. Maybe the height limit will be smaller than here, though. I thought about removing signatures, since that'd really clean things up, but I decided that signatures (and especially sig campaigns) are too important to the culture here to remove.

The final theme definitely won't be this orange color. I think I'll probably start out with something vaguely blue as a callback to this forum, and see how that goes.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: forzendiablo on January 14, 2016, 03:57:16 AM
they will keep it, it makes posts and money for the forum


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: nonbody on January 14, 2016, 04:15:15 AM
they will keep it, it makes posts and money for the forum
Yes, smart decision! The rewards will attract the advertisers to campaign the business and users to grab meaningful contents! It does causes spamming and trolling, which can be moderated to be limited to the minimum level.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: SFR10 on January 14, 2016, 06:18:31 AM
To answer your questions:

Just took a look at new forum.Fast and Sleek Design!The End of Signature Campaigns ?

Signatures are going to be added back in at some point. Maybe the height limit will be smaller than here, though. I thought about removing signatures, since that'd really clean things up, but I decided that signatures (and especially sig campaigns) are too important to the culture here to remove.

The final theme definitely won't be this orange color. I think I'll probably start out with something vaguely blue as a callback to this forum, and see how that goes.

Personally I think there would be a phase without Signature Campaigns to see how it could improve the spamming occurrence in the forum and then after the hype is settled, it get's back in the forum.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Superhitech on January 14, 2016, 06:25:34 AM
Personally I think there would be a phase without Signature Campaigns to see how it could improve the spamming occurrence in the forum and then after the hype is settled, it get's back in the forum.

I've seen forums that are mostly dead because no one has any incentive to post or help others out, there may be spam with all the signature campaigns involved, but in my opinion I think signature campaigns do the community more good than harm.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: enhu on January 14, 2016, 06:28:14 AM
It would be good to keep it so bitcoin economy will still run. its the best thing to do and will also help users gain bitcoins.
If it weren't for those signature campaign by the way, users may go elsewhere. There are however other cryptoforums, i just don't know if advertisers will be interested to them.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Zeroxal on January 14, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
IMO signature campaigns won't be left out in any case. Signature campaign help out many people:
Members get paid to be active on the forum and participate in discussions.
Advertisers have a big marketplace to advertise their services/products.
The forum gains more traffic because of more people being active on the forum and the ad slots will be worth higher.

This forum is old and the design doesn't look that good either, however the thing that differs this forum with others is the rank system - older members get more benefits. The signature payouts will be very high when you reach "hero", so many members will try to get there by being active on the forum.

Sure, the forum would work even without this advertising method, but it would mean that many members will lose interest in the forum and/or move to another forum that has a newer forum software.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Amph on January 15, 2016, 11:29:55 AM
signature brings a lot of traffic, it's obvious that they will remain, but i can argue that many users carrying the signature can be the same guy/few guys with many alt

but in the end it's a business like mining, and it is directly connected with it, i see it as a way to promote legit cloud site(at least for those legit signature that promote it like bit-x)



Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: notaek on January 15, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
Personally I think there would be a phase without Signature Campaigns to see how it could improve the spamming occurrence in the forum and then after the hype is settled, it get's back in the forum.

I agree with SFR10.
theymos should at first, test out the consequence of disabling signatures for a couple of months.
Then with few iterations he can slowly start enabling it for the betterment of community as well as for the newly emerging Bitcoin-related websites.

Adding a "spam-meter" would also help in preventing obvious spams that are generally done by members nowadays in order to reach his highest post count.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: justspare on January 16, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
They will definitely keep is it. Otherwise this forum would be so empty. Most people on this forum wear a signature.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Astargath on January 16, 2016, 03:34:38 PM
They will definitely keep is it. Otherwise this forum would be so empty. Most people on this forum wear a signature.

That's not true, most people were already here before the sig boom and if you look at sig campaigns they all have 100 people at most, so in total there are like, what? 1k people with signatures? Not even counting alt accounts. You probably think a lot of people use them because they are spamming everywhere, specially in sections like gambling but the forum would be just fine without them.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Bitinity on January 17, 2016, 12:03:10 PM
They will definitely keep is it. Otherwise this forum would be so empty. Most people on this forum wear a signature.

So empty? I dont think so, becuase this forum is not only used by them who wearing paid signature campaign. I'm sure this forum will still alive even though there is no signature campaign. But of course, the number of posts will not as much as when there are signature campaigns.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: coolcoinz on January 17, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
They will definitely keep is it. Otherwise this forum would be so empty. Most people on this forum wear a signature.

That's not true, most people were already here before the sig boom and if you look at sig campaigns they all have 100 people at most, so in total there are like, what? 1k people with signatures? Not even counting alt accounts. You probably think a lot of people use them because they are spamming everywhere, specially in sections like gambling but the forum would be just fine without them.

If they remove signatures there will be some other forms of paid advertising like avatar campaigns. It's a forum where people promote their businesses and the need for such promotion won't disappear with signatures.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Blazed on January 17, 2016, 05:10:56 PM
They will keep the campaigns because without them this forum would be about dead. I would think at least 50% of all posts here are just to get paid...probably more.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: coolcoinz on January 17, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
They will keep the campaigns because without them this forum would be about dead. I would think at least 50% of all posts here are just to get paid...probably more.

I think so too. Even if a user has no signature he can still be paid for his posts like users who manage topics for other people and their businesses.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: redsn0w on January 17, 2016, 05:14:25 PM
I hope that theymos will remove or limit the signature space for a few months, just a little test to see how things will change (less spam, more constructive contents).


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Blazed on January 17, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
I hope that theymos will remove or limit the signature space for a few months, just a little test to see how things will change (less spam, more constructive contents).

Really doubt that would happen, but it would be nice to see. I get paid a flat rate regardless of posts and wish all campaigns were like that. I would be good with no more campaigns around here. It is a shame so many abuse them because they are a good idea and are effective for advertisers. I guess the issue is to some people it is a lot of money so they abuse it to get paid.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Astargath on January 17, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
I hope that theymos will remove or limit the signature space for a few months, just a little test to see how things will change (less spam, more constructive contents).

Really doubt that would happen, but it would be nice to see. I get paid a flat rate regardless of posts and wish all campaigns were like that. I would be good with no more campaigns around here. It is a shame so many abuse them because they are a good idea and are effective for advertisers. I guess the issue is to some people it is a lot of money so they abuse it to get paid.


Well, you see, the signature campaigns are not really the problem. People abusing them create the problems and I always said that stricter rules should be applied to signature campaign participants. The spam would eventually be lower if every signature spammer gets banned, unfortunately right now, that's not the case. You can find blatantly obvious spammers in the off-topic section or games and rounds.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: mexxer-2 on January 17, 2016, 06:10:29 PM
Well, you see, the signature campaigns are not really the problem. People abusing them create the problems and I always said that stricter rules should be applied to signature campaign participants. The spam would eventually be lower if every signature spammer gets banned, unfortunately right now, that's not the case. You can find blatantly obvious spammers in the off-topic section or games and rounds.
If you're not doing anything to prevent the spammers, you should be the last one complaining considering you too have a signature. If yobit spammers are spamming, go for hilarious , if secondstrade participants are spamming report them in their campaign thread. Both campaigns(only ones which count off-topic and games and rounds posts) are effectively removing the spammers. And if any other participants are spamming(tolerable to a certain extent) in other boards, try contacting mods, from what I've seen nearly all are quite friendly and responsive.
As for signature campaigns, any amount of complaining will not stop them on the forum. Where do all of you think 60%+ of pageviews come from? From people refreshing their "Show new replies to your posts." , unread posts or Watchlist. Theymos has stated his verdict on the matter already and from what I've seen he rarely changes his opinion


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: Astargath on January 19, 2016, 02:32:19 PM
Well, you see, the signature campaigns are not really the problem. People abusing them create the problems and I always said that stricter rules should be applied to signature campaign participants. The spam would eventually be lower if every signature spammer gets banned, unfortunately right now, that's not the case. You can find blatantly obvious spammers in the off-topic section or games and rounds.
If you're not doing anything to prevent the spammers, you should be the last one complaining considering you too have a signature. If yobit spammers are spamming, go for hilarious , if secondstrade participants are spamming report them in their campaign thread. Both campaigns(only ones which count off-topic and games and rounds posts) are effectively removing the spammers. And if any other participants are spamming(tolerable to a certain extent) in other boards, try contacting mods, from what I've seen nearly all are quite friendly and responsive.
As for signature campaigns, any amount of complaining will not stop them on the forum. Where do all of you think 60%+ of pageviews come from? From people refreshing their "Show new replies to your posts." , unread posts or Watchlist. Theymos has stated his verdict on the matter already and from what I've seen he rarely changes his opinion

You are always very passive/aggressive in your posts, you too used a signature by the way. Now, how can you know I'm not doing anything to help? I am, I report a spammer whenever I see one, I don't have many reports but I got 100% accuracy. I just said stricter rules and more mod participation in the problem would be nice, is not the users job to find spammers, hackers, trolls, etc. Thats why you have mods, isn't it?


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: mexxer-2 on January 19, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
You are always very passive/aggressive in your posts
OT but yes, what does it prove?
you too used a signature by the way.
2 Months ago(IIRC) , please point me to one post where I have complained about a sig spammer(without doing anything about it myself) when I myself had a signature
Now, how can you know I'm not doing anything to help? I am, I report a spammer whenever I see one, I don't have many reports but I got 100% accuracy.
Good, keep it up
I just said stricter rules and more mod participation in the problem would be nice, is not the users job to find spammers, hackers, trolls, etc. Thats why you have mods, isn't it?
Admins and mods are fairly tolerant of where to draw the line at spam post. Oh and yeah, new rule made in Off-topic today, should stop most of the Off-topic yobit spam.
is not the users job to find spammers, hackers, trolls, etc.
It takes time to find, if you want to check how much work mods are already doing check mod log. If you're going to complain all-day about sig spammers, least you can do is point them to the spammers and if you're doing so, good.
Thats why you have mods, isn't it?
Mods are voluntary members who devote their time to the forum, and have been "proven" to be have good decision skills(as to qualifying a spammy user). In addition to the fact that they are barely compensated by forum ads, you want them to go through(which hilarious is already doing AFAIK) each and every post in off-topic?

Edit: Blame my "good mood" on the signature, when you are no-longer bound to create helpful posts so that others won't point out that you are a plain sig spammer. Try removing your sig for about 3 months, either you'll not post very less or make aggressive posts like me.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: gkv9 on January 28, 2016, 07:20:47 PM
Signature campaigns ain't gonna ended on the new forum due to that fact that they aren't just beneficial to users of this forum, but they are useful and are the life of this forum as many users are here just because of these campaigns, and everyone has to admit it...


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 28, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I hope that theymos will remove or limit the signature space for a few months, just a little test to see how things will change (less spam, more constructive contents).

Really doubt that would happen, but it would be nice to see. I get paid a flat rate regardless of posts and wish all campaigns were like that. I would be good with no more campaigns around here. It is a shame so many abuse them because they are a good idea and are effective for advertisers. I guess the issue is to some people it is a lot of money so they abuse it to get paid.


Well, you see, the signature campaigns are not really the problem. People abusing them create the problems and I always said that stricter rules should be applied to signature campaign participants. The spam would eventually be lower if every signature spammer gets banned, unfortunately right now, that's not the case. You can find blatantly obvious spammers in the off-topic section or games and rounds.
I rarely visit those sections anyway, so I really don't care whether people spam over there.  It's the interesting topics that relate to bitcoin that I can't stand people shitposting in.  Fortunately the mods here do a decent job of deleting posts that are crap--and I've had a few of mine deleted, and I'm cool with that. 

A few months ago I probably would have been against having signatures, but I bit the bullet and joined one and it's fun to earn bitcoin by posting.  I was always fascinated by the concept as I'd never seen something like it in other forums, but I saw all the spammers and hated it for a long time. 


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: gentlemand on January 29, 2016, 12:32:32 AM
If there is to be a signature-free period, that's going to be very interesting to observe. Will there be a brief renaissance of the level of discussion that our elders are pining for, or will it be 500 pages of screaming about where the sigs are at? I think it may be too late to return to the golden days but I'll be waiting with interest.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: butragenjo on January 29, 2016, 12:40:32 AM
they check your posts and spamming is not allowed. Dont worry about the signature campaigns,more peoples is here for earning some satoshi.


Title: Re: Signature campaign on the new forum?
Post by: arbitrage on January 29, 2016, 11:24:14 AM
I don't see nothing bad in those campaigns.
You have lot of spamming and without them!
It is on moderators and campaigns administrators, to ban those who doing spam!