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I was wondering, since it seems to be a hot topic: what would convince you to convert to islamism?
Would you do it or not? And if so: why? Maybe because you'd be afraid?
I've seen a lot of people convert by themselves because after studying they got convinced that it's the right religion.
Has anyone converted after reading/studying islamism?

I always wondered if a person, seeing how things are in the world, if the situation would arise, would choose Islam in order to live.
I'm curious about people's opinions regarding this.

Why would I want to be assocated with Islam?

Anti-Free speech
Anti-Gay
Anti-Democratic
Anti-Human rights
Anti-Gender equality
Anti-Apostasy

I could keep adding to this list until I crashed Bitcointalk's servers for lack of space, so I better stop.

I will never freely convert to Islam.
If there was a knife at my thought, I probably will.
Religion is not important to me.

It's not the right religion. Why not convert to Judaism? Taoism? Buddhism ??? 

I am an Anarchist through and through, I'd rather die than give myself over to a religion that oppresses people like Islam does, even the Christians aren't as bad compared to them even if that isn't saying much.

I don't think these two are something bad. Gay propaganda and gender equality (improving female rights) shrink fertility rate significantly. This is why native Europeans population decreasing meanwhile Muslim population growing up because they don't have that shit.

islam is a twisted version of christianity that replaces god with a pagan idol and says you can pay for your sins with money and good deeds, you need to have a very low iq or nothing in your life to be desperate enough to convert to it

Here i wanted to introduce a sact in ISLAM, that is AHMEDIYYA MUSLIM COMUNITY

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a dynamic, fast growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, it spans over 206 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions. Its current headquarters are in the United Kingdom.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited Messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmad(as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa). The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also recognized the noble teachings of the great religious founders and saints, including Zoroaster(as), Abraham(as), Moses(as), Jesus(as), Krishna(as), Buddha(as), Confucius(as), Lao Tzu and Guru Nanak, and explained how such teachings converged into the one true Islam.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) emphatically declared that an aggressive “jihad by the sword” has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual “jihad of the pen” to defend Islam. To this end, Ahmad(as) penned over 90 books and tens of thousands of letters, delivered hundreds of lectures, and engaged in scores of public debates. His rigorous and rational defenses of Islam unsettled conventional Muslim thinking. As part of its effort to revive Islam, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community continues to spread Ahmad’s(as) teachings of moderation and restraint in the face of bitter opposition from parts of the Muslim world.

Similarly, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as)  taught his followers to protect the sanctity of both religion and government by becoming righteous souls as well as loyal citizens. He cautioned against irrational interpretations of Quranic pronouncements and misapplications of Islamic law. He continually voiced his concerns over protecting the rights of God’s creatures. Today, it continues to be an advocate for universal human rights and protections for religious and other minorities. It champions the empowerment and education of women. Its members are among the most law-abiding, educated, and engaged Muslims in the world.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the foremost Islamic organization with a central spiritual leader, known as the Khalifa of Islam. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) reminded his followers of God’s promise to safeguard the message of Islam through khilafat (the spiritual institution of successorship to prophethood). The Community believes that only spiritual successorship of Khilafat can uphold the true values of Islam and unite humanity. Five spiritual leaders have succeeded Ahmad(as) since his demise in 1908. It’s fifth and current spiritual head, His Holiness the Khalifa of Islam Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom. Under the leadership of Islamic Khilafat, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has now built over 16,000 mosques, over 500 schools, and over 30 hospitals. It has translated the Holy Quran into over 70 languages. It propagates the true teachings of Islam and the message of peace and tolerance through a twenty-four hour satellite television channel (MTA), the Internet (alislam.org) and print (Islam International Publications). The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been at the forefront of worldwide disaster relief through an independent charitable organization, Humanity First.

Why not? But not for me. Islam is a religion. Like every religion it's just a question of faith. I don't find Islam more stupid than Christianism or judaïsm or anything like this...

Please don't hold back - this is an important topic for me about which I've thought a lot.

It's interesting to see the different opinions and seeing the arguments that people have for their opinions.


The Catholic Church had in the middle ages something that were called "indulgences" with which they would in a sense buy people's sins; you just bought the appropriate amount of indulgences and your sins were wiped away as the church was concerned.
Even today Christianity encourages good deeds against sins - which is not a bad in a practical sense.

I remember a scene from the last season of Da Vinci's Demons where christian prisoners were lined up and asked to embrace Islam, and either be killed or converted. It's interesting what people think that they would do in those moments. Would you die or make a pact with the devil, as the saying goes, just to fight another day.

I don't need to read any further.

Sounds like some of the good guys.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but here in the UK I would like to see the population decrease.
Roads are at gridlock.
Hospitals at breaking point.
Schools oversubscribed.
Serious housing shortage, prices shooting out of control.
Don't bother trying to ring up for a doctors appointment.
Public transport overcrowded.
etc.....

I shudder to think what it's going to be like in 20 years time.



This is great, lets hope they keep up their good work.

But here's the problem. Are they muslim? What percentage of the Quran and Hadith are they actually following? Would Muhammad of approved?
They are persecuted around the world and banned from entering Mecca. There's a reason for this.

As a personal curiosity - would you ever consider moving from the UK?

Seeing how things are in the world, if the situation would arise, would choose denounce Islam in order to live?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying: you'd denounce it or you're asking about it?
Tell us what you would choose if faced with that option. Thanks.

I live in Moscow and it's even worse (much worse) cause there's 12M people in one city.

First of all, you need to understand that these are "side effects" of the modern civilization. That's like a side effect of capitalism - it always needs some cheap working power (edit: so there are immigrants from 3d world countries). The civilization we have doesn't work any other way. It cannot.
Suppose we had just 100M human population over the world. How much scientists would we have had? Could we build such a developed society?  No, we couldn't. We would still be riding fucking horses.
I mean that more people means more inventions which means quicker developing. So decreasing human population (especially white) is a bad thing.

I see that under your avatar it says "Decentralized Jihad". May I ask what does that mean in your opinion?

At this point in my life, commitments make that impossible. If my situation were different, I would give a tentative yes.
As they say, "The grass always looks greener."

Of course I don't know your situation an I will not presume that I have any idea about it, but I would just like to say that it doesn't all have to be bad. And there are always people that can lend a helping hand. Just a thought. Stay optimistic.

christians who teach good deeds lead to salvation are heretics. if you value your life more than your honour you will convert rather than accept death, unfortunately most human beings belong to this category of person.

So you say that we should live like samurai and choose honor over life? I've seen your signature - you seem pretty radical - I'm not criticising you - just making an observation.

They won't last too long in the muslim world.
They have already been declared non-muslims in some countries.

After looking at the poll it's interesting to see that no one was even remotely considering to try and see what it's about.

I have been an atheist from my childhood days, and I hate all religions (especially the Abrahamic faiths). That said, if the Islamic State abducts me and threatens to behead me unless I convert to Islam, then I will "convert". I don't want to lose my life, for 5 minutes of fame. Once I am back in my hometown, I will revert back to atheism.

i'm never unto religion but if i was kidnapped and they want me to convert then i would. And if they want me to suicide, I'll just make em explode.

They have many humanitarian laws, forbidden acts that immobalize the social interactions

So no one wants to convert. I'm not sure what to think: are people extreme or is Islam really that bad?
Won't anyone make a trade in order to live?

It's worth noting that the options for setting up a poll, there is a check box that if checked allows people to vote more than once.  Unchecked, you can only vote once....

It would appear this is an honest poll.

yeah - people seem to be pretty sure about themselves - I'm curious how things would be if something like that would really happen. Let's hope not, but still... Would they be still so sure about their convictions?

honestly, never. not even in a future where islam has taken over the world and controls every facet of life in some dystopian setting would i convert. honestly, if the world ever came to something like that, id probably glock up and go out with a bang ;D. or join the resistance or something, who knows. sci fi.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing could ever convince me to convert to that barbaric "religion".

Better die, to convert to islam!

they call it holy, authorized by heaven. They leave the wounded as they die and they call it gods will!
Fanatism and money are never a good thing melted togheter.

Yeah - no one says that they're right, but as one user said above - convert to fight another day.
They have their book, and for centuries they are reading from it day after day, and seem to be getting more and more and stronger by the day. I don't know what else to expect...

a few thousand, maybe even hundreds of years ago, it wouldn't have seemed so very radical

Neither what happened in the Middle Ages seemed radical at the time I'm sure, but we're supposed to have evolved since then and be civilized and above such extreme actions.

Don't do it. You have to believe in Islam to convert. You can't just do it for a man.
He is scamming you. There sadly are many foreigners from every country around the world who do this. Pretend to be "in love" with someone, ask for money, ask for marriage,, but it's just for citizenship purposes. He will dump you as soon as he gets papers.

Time has stopped in the Middle East. People there don't understand what civilized means.
If it weren't for oil, the world would have just let the Middle East implode due to infighting.

Agreed. I don't know exactly where but I remember to have seen once a documentary somewhere (or something like that) and a Muslim woman was abused and a foreigner jumped in to save her and he then became the object of her shouting at him and accusing him of interfering with their ways. They're used to live like that, it's what they know, what's normal in their daily life.

I'm not that martyr type, so I guess some "missionaries" with AKs and big knifes could persuade me to convert, but as soon as they left (or I left) two aspirin and a beer would easily cure that :).

$35,000 a month, three days off per week and getting those seventy two virgins before I decide to martyr myself.

If someone's forcing me to? I think I'm gonna have a little problem with that and I doubt they'd want me.

Wait, you want to get the seventy two virgins up front?

You bet your bippy. I'm not fucking around with theoretical outcomes. If they want me on board they need to supply me with some goddamn results NOW.

Would you be open to using escrow?

Hmm. How would that work? I'd have to be an islam for a week and then get fed one virgin at a time? Not for me. I'll expect a bus to arrive with the whole lot of them from minute one. They'll need to bring their own food and tents too.

How would you keep track of them to be sure you were not getting cheated? 

After 50 or 60, it'd be hard to keep track.

So watch out - you might only get 59 or 68 or 71.  I could hire on as a Virgin Counter and Tracker for say, 10% rounded to the next higher integral.  No fractions, mind you.

Ear tags a la cattle, constant individual gopro feeds and something rather like this - http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:36/centery:36/zoom:7

infiltrate and take them down from in the inside.  LoL.   Let them all think you converted.

I'm still good for QC control for 10%.  I'll throw in eartag hack safeguards and weekly checks, so you won't have to worry about one day having 72 nice youngies, a month later the tags are switched to others, you wind up with used up old shrews.

That's a very kind offer but I trust in Allah to keep them virgins within my compound. If they were all nubiles I  might get bored so the occasional crone might get my saggy old Johnson twitching again. Feel free to pop around and we'll do a Virgin exchange to keep things fresh.

Okay, that might work.  I'm thinking like, maybe we could get ahold of Trump and make it something like "Your Fired" TV show.

We'd just call the show.   

72.

why would i  convert to islam , not planning to go to any sort of war for that matter ;)

Never. I don't hate Muslims but I hate how they're religion works. its all about anti human rights spacially for woman.

Only to survive I think. I even suggested to learn couple of verses from quran to my american friend.
It may really help you survive. It is not hard task.

I see that no one here has offered a vouch for 1-2 virgins so that we know the offer is real.

No you are wrong mate, I am a hindu guy but I have many muslim friends and your perception is totally wrong towards muslim, you cannot hate the entire religion looking at few bunch of people, if I fall in love with a muslim girl and if she asks me to convert to muslim then I would surely do.

  I could marry to get the girl and still hate the religion, or be totally indifferent about it.   

When DONALD TRUMP converts to Islam i will ;D.. So merry Christmas

It depends on how many goats and women with mustache give me. Now seriously... I think not to save my life I would become to Islam.

Being a Muslim is not easy. You need to offer prayers five times a day, avoid non-halal food.etc. Also, you are expected to get yourself circumcised and you need to do fasting during the holy month of Ramadan. If you don't do these, then you will be branded as an apostate by the family members of the girl. And apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

If you do want to convert to islamism, remember to remember the 5 pillars of islam, because you'll be asked what they are and you have to get a minimum of 3 of them right ...I think and Pilot license.

If ISIS come to my house and try to convince me with their sword I think that fear make me convert every religion. I think with that kind of fear people even believe flying spaghetti monster if they thought so.

Jesus dude. You already managed to convince me not to convert. Three rows of text and I'm already a born again christian.

Never, never...Those people who convert to Islam are high unestable people, weak..they are alone and think that converting in islam will help him to get the family

Never will I ever think about it and all are free to believe what they want. Only all that hate about a religion people have is really sad. All that people who died in name of people who read the Islam. Sorry for the people who are the good people and don't do other people terrible things. FREEDOM FOR ALL!!!

How about if you would meet a girl and you'd fall madly in love with her and you'd feel in your heart that you couldn't live without her, but she was Muslim. Would you convert then?

there is no such thing as a female you can't live without, there are good looking ones and ugly ones, ones with nice personalities and ones with shitty personalities, but at the end of the day they'll get rid of you if they don't have more use for you and you're a weak pussy if you consider compromising your beliefs for such trifles

So either way you lose? Either the girl or your self esteem? That's not the most optimistic point of view.

islam is the true religion of this world..

you don't say? care to back up what you're saying with some clear and/or logical arguments?

If you believe in flying horses you should immediately convert to Islam or check yourself into a mental institution, or both.

But if you don't believe in flying horses, you can ignore this ideology all together.

Try humanism.