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Title: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 11:26:27 PM And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork....
Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process. But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll. www.BitcoinClassic.com <<<Get On Board And Ride the Wave To New Highs Baby!!! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: MicroGuy on January 16, 2016, 11:31:23 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea.
We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 11:36:41 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. Have you visited the www.BitcoinClassic.com page? Here, let me help you with a front page excerpt..... CUT/PASTE: We are hard forking bitcoin to a 2 MB blocksize limit. Please join us. The data show consensus amongst miners for an immediate 2 MB increase, and demand amongst users for 8 MB or more. We are writing the software that miners and users say they want. We will make sure that it solves their needs, help them deploy it, and gracefully upgrade the bitcoin network’s capacity together. We call our code repository Bitcoin Classic. It starts as a one-feature patch to bitcoin-core that increases the blocksize limit to 2 MB. We will have ports for master and 0.11.2, so that miners and businesses can upgrade to 2 MB blocks from any recent bitcoin software version they run. In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community. Not sure what part you don't understand. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Quantus on January 16, 2016, 11:45:42 PM You need to add (After classic gets Ddosed back to the stone age people will rejoice in fighting off this coordinated takeover by legacy banks. )
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: unamis76 on January 16, 2016, 11:49:17 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. Not sure what part you don't understand. Not sure what part of "it would be even better if Core had changes similar to Classic straight out of the box" you don't understand :D Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 11:51:07 PM You're pro-secession. I think that you should add in the poll what will happen with a failed secession attempt. If you do so I may vote. Because if Bitcoin Classic win, this will be by the strength, so you should add an option like : "In are of a successful Bitcoin Classic, people will be nostalgic about Bitcoin Core, and will have fear about the destruction of Satoshi's ideal." !
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Quantus on January 17, 2016, 12:01:18 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code to get them to think its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality.
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 12:07:18 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 12:14:58 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 12:17:39 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 12:24:11 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Frankly, I don't understand anything about what you meant. Who's censuring here it is you, who don't offer a poll that reflects everyone's idea. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 12:33:19 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Frankly, I don't understand anything about what you meant. Who's censuring here it is you, who don't offer a poll that reflects everyone's idea. So I think the Poll is very reasonable as to how people think Blockstream/Core participants and supporters will be treated int he aftermath. I think it is an important question considering how contentious this subject is. You have to remember.... Blockstream/Core went against the overall Bitcoin Community, and has tried to kill bitcoin. They have endangered over a $Billion Dollars of investment monies, and threatened the Bitcoin Currency, of which many people depend upon for a livelihood. Since the Bitcoin Classic Team has demonstrated a more reasonable, OPEN, Inclusive attitude since they have emerged, I thought this a good poll to get a foretaste of how this temporary split in the Bitcoin Community might actually end. Right now it sort of looks like everyone will simply have a bit of fun and jokes at the Blockstream/Core expense, and then move on and get back to business. Probably breathing a deep sigh of relief that all the divisive personalities would have been marginalized and caste aside - no longer a threat. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 12:53:36 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Frankly, I don't understand anything about what you meant. Who's censuring here it is you, who don't offer a poll that reflects everyone's idea. So I think the Poll is very reasonable as to how people think Blockstream/Core participants and supporters will be treated int he aftermath. I think it is an important question considering how contentious this subject is. You have to remember.... Blockstream/Core went against the overall Bitcoin Community, and has tried to kill bitcoin. They have endangered over a $Billion Dollars of investment monies, and threatened the Bitcoin Currency, of which many people depend upon for a livelihood. Since the Bitcoin Classic Team has demonstrated a more reasonable, OPEN, Inclusive attitude since they have emerged, I thought this a good poll to get a foretaste of how this temporary split in the Bitcoin Community might actually end. Right now it sort of looks like everyone will simply have a bit of fun and jokes at the Blockstream/Core expense, and then move on and get back to business. Probably breathing a deep sigh of relief that all the divisive personalities would have been marginalized and caste aside - no longer a threat. What you don't seem to understand is that miners are not the majority, far from this. I'd say that they're not even 25%. From what I know, Bitcoin Classic developers are from Bitcoin Core, so they're as "criminal" as the guys you're spitting on. I can assure you that not everyone will ideally agree on Bitcoin Classic. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 01:05:02 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Frankly, I don't understand anything about what you meant. Who's censuring here it is you, who don't offer a poll that reflects everyone's idea. So I think the Poll is very reasonable as to how people think Blockstream/Core participants and supporters will be treated int he aftermath. I think it is an important question considering how contentious this subject is. You have to remember.... Blockstream/Core went against the overall Bitcoin Community, and has tried to kill bitcoin. They have endangered over a $Billion Dollars of investment monies, and threatened the Bitcoin Currency, of which many people depend upon for a livelihood. Since the Bitcoin Classic Team has demonstrated a more reasonable, OPEN, Inclusive attitude since they have emerged, I thought this a good poll to get a foretaste of how this temporary split in the Bitcoin Community might actually end. Right now it sort of looks like everyone will simply have a bit of fun and jokes at the Blockstream/Core expense, and then move on and get back to business. Probably breathing a deep sigh of relief that all the divisive personalities would have been marginalized and caste aside - no longer a threat. What you don't seem to understand is that miners are not the majority, far from this. I'd say that they're not even 25%. From what I know, Bitcoin Classic developers are from Bitcoin Core, so they're as "criminal" as the guys you're spitting on. I can assure you that not everyone will ideally agree on Bitcoin Classic. And you know what.... I think Blockstream/Core supporters that have anything to do with Lightning etc should probably stop burning their bridges unless they want to see the Poll shift in favor of option #2. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 01:35:24 AM Well, well.... Option D is really gaining traction. I would have thought Option B maybe. Just goes to show you - that Classic Supporters have Class :) Have a little fun, but in the end a professional lot - worthy to govern bitcoin. Unlike, well.... "those other people"
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 01:36:56 AM These Corporate backed bloat coin forks with their deceptive names like "bitcoin classic" are meant too deceive users, to trick them into running this code thinking its the real Bitcoin is a derisive act born out of a defeatist 'all or nothing' mentality. As I mentioned in the OP, and I think it sums up the above nonsense nicely..... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. PS... looks like we're seeing a trend in the Poll. Option #4 seems to be rather popular ;D This poll is fully pro-secession. Just add what I suggested in my last post and this may a bit more representative of the reality. I don't call a democracy a country where you can only vote for several candidates that all come from the same party. As opposed to Censoring anything you don't like? ooooo - feel the burn! Karma is a real bitch :) Frankly, I don't understand anything about what you meant. Who's censuring here it is you, who don't offer a poll that reflects everyone's idea. So I think the Poll is very reasonable as to how people think Blockstream/Core participants and supporters will be treated int he aftermath. I think it is an important question considering how contentious this subject is. You have to remember.... Blockstream/Core went against the overall Bitcoin Community, and has tried to kill bitcoin. They have endangered over a $Billion Dollars of investment monies, and threatened the Bitcoin Currency, of which many people depend upon for a livelihood. Since the Bitcoin Classic Team has demonstrated a more reasonable, OPEN, Inclusive attitude since they have emerged, I thought this a good poll to get a foretaste of how this temporary split in the Bitcoin Community might actually end. Right now it sort of looks like everyone will simply have a bit of fun and jokes at the Blockstream/Core expense, and then move on and get back to business. Probably breathing a deep sigh of relief that all the divisive personalities would have been marginalized and caste aside - no longer a threat. What you don't seem to understand is that miners are not the majority, far from this. I'd say that they're not even 25%. From what I know, Bitcoin Classic developers are from Bitcoin Core, so they're as "criminal" as the guys you're spitting on. I can assure you that not everyone will ideally agree on Bitcoin Classic. And you know what.... I think Blockstream/Core supporters that have anything to do with Lightning etc should probably stop burning their bridges unless they want to see the Poll shift in favor of option #2. Why is it clear that Bitcoin Classic will get its 75% ? Oh yes, I forgot : because it is supported by the biggest companies ! By doing this we come back to the roots of the fiat money ! I'm open for discussion, so try to convince me about Bitcoin Classic's coolness. Why is it so good ? Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 01:40:29 AM Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:
E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 01:43:58 AM Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: MicroGuy on January 17, 2016, 01:47:55 AM The number of banker shills on this forum must be at an all-time high! :-X
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: af_newbie on January 17, 2016, 01:48:13 AM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. +1 Could not agree more. What is the rush? It seems like these classic guys want to control the source (and fuck it up later on by adding other crap without proper testing) Kinda childish if you ask me. Go start your own alt coin, call it "better, classic, super trupper bitcoin" whatever you want. Core guys get what bitcoin is all about. Decentralized, independent, global, store of value. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Quantus on January 17, 2016, 01:48:46 AM If you don't like this poll consider voting in my poll :P
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330664.0 Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 01:54:19 AM And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork.... The above is worth repeating. Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process. But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll. www.BitcoinClassic.com <<<Get On Board And Ride the Wave To New Highs Baby!!! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: manselr on January 17, 2016, 01:54:23 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 01:56:40 AM keepdoing, I'm still waiting for your explanation on why Bitcoin Classic is so good. If you fail to explain it here, this will prove that you're just a paid puppet, like proposed in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330664.0) poll ;) !
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 01:59:29 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!inline signature removed Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 02:01:54 AM Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: af_newbie on January 17, 2016, 02:02:09 AM And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork.... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process. But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll. www.BitcoinClassic.com <<<Get On Board And Ride the Wave To New Highs Baby!!! It seems you don't care about bitcoin. Stop this nonsense. Think. If classic is deployed, it will fracture bitcoin community, you can bet your coins the value will drop drastically. Network will split which might create multiple flavours of "bitcoin". Where do people get this idea, core is bad, classic is good. Miners might shoot themselves in the foot by selecting classic. Bitcoin price will collapse and people will not touch it for a very long time. People will walk away. Mining worthless coins will not continue for long. Instead they should follow core roadmap, IMHO. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 02:06:59 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so. Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 02:08:26 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! Actually. not true. The term used by at least one miner pool was "welcome" not "support". Different. As soon as miners understand this "classic" thing is not viable(soon), they'll switch to a real bitcoin pool(Core). Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:09:23 AM Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 02:11:26 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so. Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it. The hard fork itself could destroy it. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 02:12:31 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so. Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it. The hard fork itself could destroy it. So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ? Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky! Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you ! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:18:03 AM Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky! Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you ! Aaaaiiiigghhhhh! Lookout! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! Gross! More FUD! Don't touch it! You'll get it on your hands and it is hard to wash off! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 02:18:23 AM Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky! Whatever. I think classic is the real FUD, though. There are many people that do not want bitcoin to succeed. They disguise themselves and are good at infiltration. They want to crack bitcoin before the halving. They are everywhere and often where you least expect them. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:20:53 AM How's that Poll Coming? Have you voted yet? What do the results look like?
Awwww. you blockstream guyz! You guuuyzzz! Making so many friends! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: orpington on January 17, 2016, 02:22:12 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so. Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it. The hard fork itself could destroy it. So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ? Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT! eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky! Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you ! Any fork could pose a problem for bitcoin. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 02:24:50 AM Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play. Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!www.BitcoinClassic.com <Come Ride the Wave Higher With US! So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so. Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing: E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door. That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him. Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying. So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it. The hard fork itself could destroy it. So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ? Any fork could pose a problem for bitcoin. Would the problem come from the ethical side or the technical one ? A fork never happened yet, after 7 years of existance ? Why do the developpers don't stop to secede again and again these times ? Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Cuidler on January 17, 2016, 02:33:07 AM Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you ! From BitcoinClassic website: Quote In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community. I did not come to Bitcoin to just use off-chain transactions, which is the goal of Bitcoin Core developers. Bitcoin Classic is reasonable and will increase onchain capacity only to the size so regular home PC will be ok to run full nodes, thus no wories of loosing decentralization. Also Gavin is known to make code simple so no way the code become unnecesary complicated for future developers. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:35:04 AM Would the problem come from the ethical side or the technical one ? A fork never happened yet, after 7 years of existance ? Why do the developpers don't stop to secede again and again these times ? Problem! What Problem!? Oh My GOD THERE IS A PROBLEM!Dangit! I just stepped in more FUD! Crap, this stuff is everywhere :-\ Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:38:36 AM Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you ! From BitcoinClassic website: Quote In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community. I did not come to Bitcoin to just use off-chain transactions, which is the goal of Bitcoin Core developers. Bitcoin Classic is reasonable and will increase onchain capacity only to the size so regular home PC will be ok to run full nodes, thus no wories of loosing decentralization. Also Gavin is known to make code simple so no way the code become unnecesary complicated for future developers. Whoa! This guys is wicked smart! You guys should be careful. Me, I am just a circus clown - but this guy.... This Guy Is Making Some Serious Sense! Let's see if we can repeat this.... In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community. Go Cuidler! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: 0bit on January 17, 2016, 02:46:41 AM What a loaded poll. I love how quick Classic supporters are to assume that Classic will actually be successful and trigger a hard fork. I don't know which side to take in this whole debacle because real discussion and debate has been replaced by threads like these, which remind me of the kind of fights infants get in to. Anybody who was truly confident in their cause would not have to create a thread like this.
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 02:48:20 AM You need to add (After classic gets Ddosed back to the stone age people will rejoice in fighting off this coordinated takeover by legacy banks. ) By the way.... just to point out..... you've publically just admitted to supporting DDOSing Classic Nodes if that is what it takes to get your way.Not Voting in a Fair Concensus Fashion. Not Submitting BIPs. Not Dialoguing (in non-censored fashion) with other Developers in an attempt to get the best bitcoin possible. NO! DDOS Attacks! FUD! Lying! Threatening! Intimidation! JUST TO BE CLEAR...... THIS is what Blockstream/Core is all about. * How the ForK do I change my Vote to Option #B!? Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: 0bit on January 17, 2016, 02:55:53 AM You need to add (After classic gets Ddosed back to the stone age people will rejoice in fighting off this coordinated takeover by legacy banks. ) By the way.... just to point out..... you've publically just admitted to supporting DDOSing Classic Nodes if that is what it takes to get your way.Not Voting in a Fair Concensus Fashion. Not Submitting BIPs. Not Dialoguing (in non-censored fashion) with other Developers in an attempt to get the best bitcoin possible. NO! DDOS Attacks! FUD! Lying! Threatening! Intimidation! JUST TO BE CLEAR...... THIS is what Blockstream/Core is all about. * How the ForK do I change my Vote to Option #B!? Because the comments of a single person can accurately describe an entire group. Explain the mental gymnastics you used to reach that conclusion, please. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 02:57:17 AM You need to add (After classic gets Ddosed back to the stone age people will rejoice in fighting off this coordinated takeover by legacy banks. ) By the way.... just to point out..... you've publically just admitted to supporting DDOSing Classic Nodes if that is what it takes to get your way.Not Voting in a Fair Concensus Fashion. Not Submitting BIPs. Not Dialoguing (in non-censored fashion) with other Developers in an attempt to get the best bitcoin possible. NO! DDOS Attacks! FUD! Lying! Threatening! Intimidation! JUST TO BE CLEAR...... THIS is what Blockstream/Core is all about. * How the ForK do I change my Vote to Option #B!? You can't change your vote once you have submitted it. If DDoSing nodes is te only way to prevent Bitcoin Classic is to do this, if it has been clearly explained that it was bad, wouldn't be something bad. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: 0bit on January 17, 2016, 03:11:49 AM ~~ The banks have figured out recently that private blockchains are mostly just a crippled version of Bitcoin. Some of the old timers here might remember the first intranets where you could send email around the office, but external mail was still USPS and FedEx. It wasn't until the internet that the office became one giant global intranet. It's the same with Bitcoin. So now, the banks have decided that the best way to proceed is to co-opt bitcoin and become its master. This is the only way to protect legacy systems which are their bread and butter. Once Bitcoin is under their control, they can decide whether to kill it, or when to turn up the volume. It will be their puppet to do is as they wish. So as a community, it's important to be able to identity red flags, like Hearns wanting to block China, or Circlepay offering tonight to help test Bitcoin Classic. I think if we can protect bitcoin from these forces, the technical issues will resolve themselves. Every line of code that changes needs to be diligently studied. It's the "spirit" of Satoshi's bitcoin that needs be so fiercely protected. ~~ I agree. I think the discussion of who to support needs to become more serious and we certainly need to start looking closely at the red flags you listed. Investors who are skeptical of Bitcoin, as well as authoritarians who fear the power that is being given to individuals through Bitcoin will undoubtedly be looking to co-opt every proposal they can. I do think that the decision that Bitcoin makes will ultimately determine whether the network will have a future or not. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: jonald_fyookball on January 17, 2016, 03:39:41 AM And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork.... Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage. But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process. But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll. www.BitcoinClassic.com <<<Get On Board And Ride the Wave To New Highs Baby!!! It seems you don't care about bitcoin. Stop this nonsense. Think. If classic is deployed, it will fracture bitcoin community, you can bet your coins the value will drop drastically. Network will split which might create multiple flavours of "bitcoin". Where do people get this idea, core is bad, classic is good. Miners might shoot themselves in the foot by selecting classic. Bitcoin price will collapse and people will not touch it for a very long time. People will walk away. Mining worthless coins will not continue for long. Instead they should follow core roadmap, IMHO. I'll take that bet. I say Classic will boost Bitcoin price drastically. Everyone will be cheering that the scalability impasse has been bridged and that the era of centralized development is over! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: tss on January 17, 2016, 06:44:31 AM any way you title it.. we are once again discussing alt coins,
just like the xt threads, this belongs in the alt coin section. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Erkallys on January 17, 2016, 11:13:29 AM keepdoing, I'm still waiting for an explanation that come from you. If you're confident enough in it, you should at least be able to explain me why it is so good.
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 12:40:02 PM keepdoing, I'm still waiting for an explanation that come from you. If you're confident enough in it, you should at least be able to explain me why it is so good. Well, it is simple really. Bitcoin is about decentralization. It's about "Bitcoin For the People".You can't have that when you have a Centralized Governance Team - i.e. Blockstream/Core - that has major conflicts of interest, and who rule through methods of Censorship, FUD, Lies, Manipulation, Shrill Screeching when things don't go their way etc. The concept of Classic is incredibly simple: 1) Listen to the wishes of the Overwhelming Majority of the Community, and get on with what needs to be done, which in this instance is a small, reasonable Blocksize increase. 2) I'm going to quote the actual www.BitcoinClassic.com website on the next item.... "In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community." 3) Which brings us to the issue of Governance. Steps 1 & 2 are critical to Governance. A governance team that doesn't listen to the wishes of its people..... is not for the people. And a Governance Team that strays from the path towards a path that is in their own selfish interests..... cannot be trusted. And a Governance Team that employs the methods of rulership/leadership as outlined in bold above.... well, is not good at all. But the main thing I like about Classic is this...... It allows for all possibilities. We get to take the chains off Bitcoin..... slowly, carefully and in controlled fashion.... and continue growing and testing the possibilities. I believe we haven't even touched the edges of the capabilities of Bitcoin. Blockstream/Core though is like one of these helicopter parents.... forever hovering, fearful, saying "you can't do this", or "Oh No - Be Careful you'll hurt yourself" You've got to back off and let the kid grow up! That's Blockstream/Core parenting. On the other end of spectrum was Mike Hearn/XT parenting.... just let the kid run wild with no discipline, no rules or restrictions whatsoever. BOTH are extremes, and bad examples of parenting. The Classic Team will guide Bitcoin, but not smother it. As it grows it will have many adventures. It will encounter all types of financial friends. Some good. Some evil. But it is the LIFE OF A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT! I say let it grow and explore the world. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: jonald_fyookball on January 17, 2016, 01:09:45 PM The concept of Classic is incredibly simple: 1) Listen to the wishes of the Overwhelming Majority of the Community, and get on with what needs to be done, which in this instance is a small, reasonable Blocksize increase. Yeah this. Pretty freakin simple. The <start doofus voice> WELL WE WANT TO RAISE THE LIMIT WE JUST CANT AGREE HOW</end doofus voice> is a tired, lame, bogus meme that is no longer holding any water. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 01:45:35 PM The Classic Team will guide Bitcoin, but not smother it. As it grows it will have many adventures. It will encounter all types of financial friends. Some good. Some evil. But it is the LIFE OF A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT! I say let it grow and explore the world. If you want Bitcoin to go the way of Coke Classic, keep pushing this idea. It's brand confusion on a massive scale. No, you miss the point.... it is Brand CORRECTION! Coca~Cola CLASSIC was simply a response to the confusion caused by "New Coke". You are getting confused.... it was "New Coke" that SUCKED SO BAD that it was yanked completely off the shelves and now is no longer produced. HERE'S THE HISTORY::: Coke Classic was just a temporary marketing patch. ORIGINALLY you had "Coca~Cola". Then a bunch of hijaaking idiots came along that thought they knew better than everybody actually drinking Coca~Cola, and decided to change the formula to "New Coke". Well, New Coke sucked. But it had already damaged the brand so badly, and confused things so much, that to restore sanity - there had to be a marketing bridge back to the Original. So they created "Coke Classic". THEN they just phased out New Coke completely - until it was gone forever. Then Coke Classic just slowly phased out as a "temporary name" and people just drank "Coca~Cola" again. This is a PERFECT analogy of what is going on in Bitcoin. First you had the Original Satoshi Vision Bitcoin. Then Blockstream/Core came along and thought they knew better and hijaaked Bitcoin, and tried to make it "New Bitcoin" - totally ignoring the overwhelming Bitcoin Community. But "New Bitcoin" where Bitcoin only lives in crippled little sidechains.... SUCKS. But the brand damage has been done, so "Bitcoin Classic" is rolling out. My guess is that once the fork occurs, and everybody back to using the Original Bitcoin, then eventually people will just call it Bitcoin again, and slowly over time "Bitcoin Classic" as a "temporary name" will fade away, having done its job. So you are actually incredibly wrong. Coke Classic did its job PERFECTLY. It accomplished its mission so well.... that no one even remembers New Coke.... except for this vague blurry remembrance of a yucky taste in their mouth. And that is how this will end also. After the Bitcoin Classic Fork.... Bitcoin will simply return to being Bitcoin, and the New Bitcoin Vision of Blockstream/Core will fade away forgotten, except for just a brief memory of a yucky, dirty feeling, a brief time of hateful divisiveness, lies, FUD, DDOS attacks etc. Have a Bitcoin and a Smile ;D Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 04:43:56 PM Interesting Results so far. Very little support for Forgiveness so far. I would say I was surprised, but I guess given the degree of illegal and unprofessional activity emanating from Blockstream/Core Supporters.... well, maybe it is to be expected.
Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: Amph on January 17, 2016, 06:10:57 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. well it is what they are doing, but not directly by increasing it, but with SEG Wit, which would result in the same thing basically still beyond me why they can not increase it directly to two mega in core, but they need to do it via other random fork with stupid name Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: MicroGuy on January 17, 2016, 06:20:50 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. well it is what they are doing, but not directly by increasing it, but with SEG Wit, which would result in the same thing basically still beyond me why they can not increase it directly to two mega in core, but they need to do it via other random fork with stupid name Yes, exactly. The block size increase needs to be done in core, not some "soda-branded offshoot". Come on Core, please get this done now! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 17, 2016, 06:32:48 PM In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea. We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense. well it is what they are doing, but not directly by increasing it, but with SEG Wit, which would result in the same thing basically still beyond me why they can not increase it directly to two mega in core, but they need to do it via other random fork with stupid name Yes, exactly. The block size increase needs to be done in core, not some "soda-branded offshoot". Come on Core, please get this done now! And I hate to say this.... but I hope they don't. Because if they do - they might actually save themselves, and I think the last thing Bitcoin needs is this group of monkeys running the show any longer. It just delays action on the inevitable fact that we need a different governance team. I think Classic has enough of a jump on things (and hopefully they have their noses firmly to the grindstone getting ready to upload a download!) and we can just do the Fork, and eliminate TWO (2) problems at once..... 1) Raise Blocksize and Get a Hard Fork behind us (so that Bitcoin can learn from the process and continue to grow unfearfully) 2) Say Goodbye to Blockstream/Core. More Votes for Option #D I see!!!! Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: keepdoing on January 18, 2016, 02:20:58 AM It has come to my attention recently, that suddenly, previously diehard Blockstream/Core Supporters are suddenly feeling downtrodden. Sounding downright miserable actually. Full of rational speech, and moans of being treated unfairly.
Perhaps I have been wrong in my Vote for Option #D. Perhaps after a good solid trouncing - as Bitcoin Classic legitimately displaces the "New Bitcoin" nonsense Blockstream/Core has been promoting - we should all immediately FORGIVE (Option#A) the Blockstream/Core participants. What say you? Is this change of heart in the Blockstream/Core den legitimate and deserving of forgiveness? Or just another ploy of which we are all too familiar? Vote your mind in our Poll! But nevertheless - soon we VOTE FOR CLASSIC! inline signature removed Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: af_newbie on January 18, 2016, 04:52:30 PM I'll take that bet. I say Classic will boost Bitcoin price drastically. Everyone will be cheering that the scalability impasse has been bridged and that the era of centralized development is over! At least we know your motivation for support of Classic. Success of bitcoin should not be measured by its price. BTW, a static increase of block size does not solve anything. It is like changing size of an array on the stack, if you need to store more data, you have the same problem. A real solution would be to allow for dynamic size. The question is how to grow this size and how to build consensus of what the currently agreed (between nodes) max block size is. You need two algorithms: one to grow the size, another one to 'broadcast' what the new, to be accepted size suppose to be. If the system was centralized, solution would be easy. a central node would decide what the new size is, and inform all other nodes. But bitcoin is decentralized and more democratic, your node is as valid and needed as any other node on the network. So that is where the challenge begins. What classic offers is hard forks every few months or years. Not to take away Galvin's contributions to bitcoin, but his suggestions fall short. I've seen too many times projects fail because they were deployed without proper testing. Just because the code change is easy does not make it right. If you ever looked at bitcoin code, you'll not want to rush any new changes without extensive testing. Changing a header constant is not a solution, it is postponing it at the expense of a hard fork. Title: Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered? Post by: jonald_fyookball on January 18, 2016, 05:10:28 PM I'll take that bet. I say Classic will boost Bitcoin price drastically. Everyone will be cheering that the scalability impasse has been bridged and that the era of centralized development is over! At least we know your motivation for support of Classic. Success of bitcoin should not be measured by its price. Actually, I was responding to someone's remark about price dropping. I want Bitcoin to succeed both because I'm an investor and because I like the idea. |