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DASH appears to be in big trouble and has close to zero support from the technically competent participants of the Satoshi Roundtable retreat. Education is the best way to prevent more people from being hurt by DASH.

Evan the charlatan exposed:
https://youtu.be/PKd7F-10lxM?t=1522
https://youtu.be/PKd7F-10lxM?t=6519

Fluffypony speaks the truth.  Evan is welcome to be interviewed by Bitcoin Uncensored to address these concerns and answer some technical questions. Bitcoin Uncensored asked fluffypony difficult question about Monero on both this and on a previous episode of their show. fluffypony did not run from the truth. He answered some difficult questions:
https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e20-christmas-poo-122215#t=59:46

Something tells me that Evan will not be interested in being interviewed by someone who will ask difficult questions. Lets see if Evan proves me wrong and makes his community proud.

Evan do you have the courage to be interviewed this weekend? The answer to this question will have a large impact on the credibility (or lack thereof) of the DASH project.

https://i.imgur.com/27UBSZ8.png

Micheal Terpin is the PR guy that DASH hired.
https://dashtalk.org/threads/company-memo-we-just-fired-michael-terpin.7940/

Feel free to share your opinion about the legitimacy of DASH privacy claims and its future by voting here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1369389.msg13944409#msg13944409

I'd prefer a slightly more mature angle, but fluffypony did bring up some important points: this is not a game of just money - if Dash succeeds it could genuinely cost people their lives.  
  
To you and me, it's a game we play with our bank accounts.  To the dissident in Saudi Arabia or North Korea it is their lives (and their family's lives).  There is no room for error and that is why Monero and Aeon are dead serious with respects to technology.  No fruity PoS, staking, master-node, compensation scheme fluff.   I feel for the people who are stuck in Dash; I would not want to be them, which is why I have done constant due diligence since 2013 with regards to crypto.  Dash supporters are on a sinking ship with a limited number of life boats, which scale downward in luxury.  
 
The only question is, who will defect first?

fluffypony was not spreading FUD. He speaks the truth.  Evan is welcome to be interviewed by Bitcoin Uncensored to address these concerns and answer some technical questions. Bitcoin Uncensored asked fluffypony difficult question about Monero on both this and on a previous episode of their show. fluffypony did not run from the truth. He answered some difficult questions:
https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensored/e20-christmas-poo-122215#t=59:46

Something tells me that Evan will not be interested in being interviewed by someone who will ask difficult questions. Lets see if Evan proves me wrong and makes his community proud.

Evan do you have the courage to be interviewed this weekend?

Ceti's always been contextually challenged. In the context of someone believing Dash's claims of anonymity, using it, and then having their ID revealed to an authoritarian government, yes they very well could be killed. Ceti's a moron if he thinks Ric said that using Dash in and of itself will kill you--though my guess is he is trying to spin it however he can, even if it makes himself look like a fool.

You know, since this topic already exists I'll just post it here:  When a major bug was found in the SDC implementation, the Monero community opened their arms and doors to any from the Shadowcash camp that chose to come join us.  Math is not an opinion, and we are not here to compete for ego size.  Our ultimate goal is to unite the efforts of everyone under a solitary banner.
 
No former Dash supporters will be mocked or ridiculed when the time comes for them to switch over.  This is not some one-chance choice.  They got involved with Dash because they thought it was private digital cash.  Some may have been mislead, but there is a lot of talent in the Dash universe.  The Cryptonote universe, especially the Monero community welcomes these individuals whole-heartedly. 
 
We are an honest and fair currency that aims to achieve what once was though to be impossible: truly private decentralized digital money.  I know the topic title here might ruffle some feathers, and I apologize on behalf of some of our eager colleagues.  But I think if you will stop thinking of us as competition, the choice will become quite clear:  There will come a time when every single Dash supporter has to defect to Monero, and those who do so soonest stand to benefit the most.  Fortunately the price has been held down significantly in the past 6 months... so consider this an early Christmas gift:  Monero now is under $1 USD and we welcome all talents and new members into the community. 
 
If you were a former Dash supporter, you are that no longer.  You are one of us, entrenched in the Monero camp and smiling at the grand future that awaits.  You'll look back on this moment in the 2020's and thank yourself. 
 
Welcome to our family.
 

Wouldn't be bitcointalk if someone didn't show up to pump their favorite off topic coin.

 
 
Smooth, you are a dirty and known troll.  Everyone knows that only Monero and AmericanPegasusCoin have truly solved the problem of privacy and fungilbility.  Out of all the cryptos, it is just these two currencies that you can own without anyone knowing, and can transact with complete confidentiality. 

When is the ICO?!

https://i.imgur.com/qzIEu3n.jpg

In bitshares the sender is revealed to the recipient. So if your private keys get seized, they can see everyone who sent you money.

Sorry fellas, but no matter how many threads you guys start, no matter how many videos you produce, no matter how many insults and conjecture you spin, Dash is not going away.

Has anyone de-anonymized an eight-round Darksend transaction yet? That's what I thought.

People who trust Dash will be just fine.

Buffoons with delusions of grandeur just make for a sideshow on Dash's way to becoming a major global medium of exchange.

Thanks for the laughs, though! Now I've got to get back to bringing people into Dash...(outside the forums, of course).

It is revealed in public on the blockchain. There is no mixing in Bitshares, only stealth addresses, which is equivalent to Bitcoin without address reuse.

CT is being added so amounts will be hidden but nothing at all is done to obfuscate transaction metadata.

Pay no attention to the off topic pumper. In addition to being rude, he's also ignorant.

I don't see any mixing there: https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/StealthTransfers

It looks like a way to create a new temporary stealth address or something. Worthless. You're paying Larimer per transaction for that?

What a deal.

Outside this forum is about the only place you can con anyone into believing dash has good anonymity features, x11 isn't flawed, and "decentralized" governance can be achieved with a coin that's ownership is centralized through the process (intentional or not) of a hefty instamine layered with a hefty reduction in coins. I have yet to meet people this stupid outside of the dash ann, but I'm sure they are out there--so happy hunting.

I don't agree with the n-th iteration of useless trolling and antagonism in the thread title but whoever doesn't see the writing is on the wall for dash and its inevitable collapse probably deserves to go down with the ship.

Some people have already seen the truth and escaped the sinking ship. With the exception of those knowingly propagating the scam I don't think anyone "deserves to go down with the ship".  I want to rescue (through education) as many people as I can.

Unfortunately DASH has been successful in separating many of their users from the truth by training them to isolate themselves in the DASH forums and ignore the feedback of better educated outsiders.

I just noticed another DASH shout-out later in the video:

https://youtu.be/PKd7F-10lxM?t=6517

listen for scammer comment

I fail to see the purpose of opening these threads. I already posted the interview in both of Monero's regular threads. Frankly, I am a bit annoyed you opened one.

It would be good if you just close this thread, it doesn't really have a purpose.

I was struck by how grossly overweight the participants in that interview were.  Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.

Who cares what bodyshape and weight someone has? Are you as sincer concerned about vitaliks health because he is rather slim? No offense that is how you sound.

 
 
Unfortunately Mein Fuhrer just heard about the debacle and he is not pleased. 
 
http://captiongenerator.com/79795/Fuhrer-Hears-Report-on-Satoshi-Roundtable

I was underwhelmed by fluffypony as a charismatic, visioned, inspired, killer-instinct leader. Hard worker I presume. Reasonably astute I presume. Perhaps smarter than what can be detected from that boring slapstick interview. Much fatter than I expected. But no Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates type of personalty as far I can detect in the video.

His point about life & death is silly melodrama. Not business level thinking. Anyone who thinks posting this video is going to help Monero and hurt Dash, has been drinking too much.

Disappointed I didn't get to see smooth on video.

No offense fluffy. I am happy Monero is getting some attention. You've apparently worked hard. Perhaps the open source (no one is a superstar, many contributors) model will be the winner. I doubt it.

Ok,

what I see in this video : unprofesionalism and conflict of interest. This have no value, words words words since 2 years now, omg. So ridiculous.

if i hold monero, i would sell and invest at some other coin atm.  its a perfect pump, soon there will be dump.  ;)

Such LOLZ! My favorite is the woman telling the other, "Don't worry, it's still under a dollar." And the general reaching for his phone.  ;D

Obviously the guys doing these interviews care because if you go to 24 minutes you will seem them saying shit about Evan Duffields hair color. Double standard bullcrap right there. And I'll agree with Stoat, dudes running this show should probably lay off the cheese cake.

to OP : is there a day when you dont think of Dash ? I bet you even have nightmares about Dash,
waking up in the middle of the night with cold sweat and all.....

I feel sorry for this altcoin discussion section forum that once again gets another Dash hate thread slapped in their faces,
this time from a less known troll acount but a troll account none the less.

Now what to do with this troll account ? oh wait, i just remember the fix .. it involves pressing a certain ignore button.
  



  

This is the crux of the issue. Will he step up to the plate during this weekend especially after fluffypony's comments. If he hides the credibility is lost.

20+ hour mix times are a fail.

Also, Evan himself has said off protocol anonymity (which is what dash currently employs) is weaker than protocol level anonymity, which is why protocol level anonymity is promised with the evolution release--though without peer review and with Evan's history of promising the moon, mars and the sun, I highly doubt he has the skillset to do any such thing. Weird that dash fanboys keep contradicting what the coin's creator only just now realized after months of criticism--that his masternode privacy scheme is inferior to protocol level solutions. Evan spent so much time preaching his false doctrine that his followers (at least those out of the loop) are caught believing the lie.

Update from the Florida Satoshi Roundtable:

https://i.imgur.com/27UBSZ8.png

Micheal Terpin is the PR guy that DASH hired.
https://dashtalk.org/threads/company-memo-we-just-fired-michael-terpin.7940/

People will die if their shitcoin fails the anonymity test!   Won't someone think of the poor Arab children!  Is that the overbearing,  extremely exaggerated argument here?

There's no altcoin yet that has cost someone their life, and you are attributing an importance to cryptocurrency that it does not deserve, sir.  Yours is an extremely inflated claim.

Well they kissed and made up. Sell your stocks bitchez




https://i.imgur.com/gmD3aTA.jpg?1

That's like saying that the Internet never cost anyone their life back in 1992.

Says you.  But I don't think crypto is going to have anywhere near the importance of the internet.  And if those poor endangered Arabs need anonymity in their currency for some reason there is always fiat.  What is it you think these people are risking their lives to finance?

Fluffy looks less fat here, appears he is big boned and wider than tall. Spagni so he is of Italian descent?

Evan looks younger in that photo than in the Evolution presentation. There is no doubt he comes across as an amiable person which is why initially I did not desire to put great effort into criticizing Dash's technology when it was first launched. I had even commented that he was very amiable. But haven't we all learned by now what a wolf in sheepskin is.

When Evan gives up the instant mine and masternode control, then we can conclude he has turned over a new leaf.

I noted fluffy stated he wasn't against the masternode conceptually as long as the barrier to entry wasn't so high. Well if he meant deposits which basically boils down to PoS, then apparently fluffy doesn't understand block chain security very in depth.

I must admit I am jealous of these guys youthful age, good health, and thus able to get drunk. I absolutely can't drink any more (fatty liver disease) and I am not healthy enough to enjoy life normally.

I was thinking when watching the video what it used to be like when I could waste time and energy on frivolous slapstick (although perhaps one could argue the camaraderie is useful for building synergies on projects, although I never found that to be true BEFORE open source at least). Really put in perspective what a shit life I have now. I fight for each morsel of production and energy. I can't waste, yet I do on this forum. I need to hang a mirror on the wall in front of me. I look so damn thin and unathletic in the pics I took today compared to January 2015. Embarrassing.

No, I have said it before and will say it again, the biggest problem was the emission cut from 84 million to 21 million. That was the biggest cheating and I remember Evan posting in the thread that "whales will not support unless we cut emission". Now we know that otoh was one of the many who called the cards.

Later with the masternode scheme mining rewards were cut even further, so less pressure on the market to keep prices artificially high.

Bad crypto has been discussed ad nauseam. They call it anonymous while proudly displaying the amounts held in wallets, the transfer amounts etc. All you see is brain crippled morons asking to "deanonymize" (which also might very well happen if it is worth it and it's not). I feel really bad for the newbies who get sucked into this scam by conniving cunts like toknormal, quizzie and the likes. I just don't have the energy to fight, I would know I used to be in DRK before real anon crypto came.

Giving up the instamine is never going to fix it.

As Gordon Gecko said, the most precious asset isn't money.  It's time.  
  
Save your money and try to live another 15 years.  You may see biological/transhumanist immortality yet.  
  
If you cannot, rest easy knowing you have been a productive cell in the vaster universe, and enjoy a little time with the new VR toys.  Maybe consider freezing yourself with Alcor or another cryonics company if you can afford it.  
  


 
 
The real truth is that blockchains are going to have a much greater impact than the internet but philistines like you are too small-minded to see it yet.  Give it some time and you'll understand.

The whole thing has gone a lot further than it should, and everyone in Dash who understands its days are limited, yet persists in fostering the illusion, is negligent and immoral.  
  
What must happen is Dash's market cap must collapse and be absorbed by Monero.  It won't be pretty, and a lot of people who just honestly tried to be part of the cutting edge of crypto are going to get burned *bad*.  This will almost certainly be the humble little guys because the major holders will collaborate to liquidate first.  The Dash peasants will see the price start to drop, and assume it will 'come back'.  But it won't - not this time. By the time they finally figure out they've been had, Evan will have to go into hiding because his former supporters will be calling for his head and many genuine and talented people will be turned off of crypto for years.  
  
If Evan really feels bad about what he's done, he should liquidate his entire Dash holdings into XMR, offer to personally exchange the Monero he buys for Dash, then come on record and publicly support Monero from here on out.  It's going to be bloody and messy, but it will be the most honest thing he can do at this point.  Perhaps also we should start a Monero assistance fund for the inevitable Dash refugees.  Some people were genuinely interested in anonymous and fungible crypto, and ended up on the wrong side of the ocean through circumstances that were not their fault.  I pledge 100 XMR to such a fund, if one ever exists.  

Lol.

"What must happen is Dash's market cap must collapse and be absorbed by Monero"

Lol, I saw you on trollbox, you try hard. Why are you all day long talking about monero?
Look so desesperare to me. You are dangerous, always lying about future, always trying to drive people pumping your shit. Accept it nobody know what future will be, please don't play with other people money.
Be honest and stop your f*cking manipulation and brain washing.

 
 
I didn't say it would be jubilant, nor am I excited about others losing money.  But simply put - the world is not big enough for two anonymous coins when one has clearly superior tech and a non-shady distribution.  I won't go through an exhaustive list of Dash's sins here - it's been beaten up.  Suffice it to say, it must eventually collapse: either fast or slow. 
 
My bet is it won't happen slowly.  Capitulation will come quickly, and I would not want to be one of the hard working true believers in Dash when that happens.  I intend to leave Dash alone after today, but I wanted to say my peace just in case any were listening and could be convinced.

Yeah I thought of that too after I posted.

Well Evan is probably correct, that whales are not going to support the coin unless they control the coin supply so they can manipulate the markets. Evan is pragmatic and maximizes what he can "accomplish" within his resources.

Even Bitcoin appears to be the same with the Chinese mining cartel controlling 65% of all new coins mined. On the next block reward halving the marginal miners go, so the cartel's percentage should increase. If they can keep the block size constrained, they can obtain more Bitcoin by raising transaction fees.

It is not going to be easy to overcome the status quo. I hope you Monero supporters won't get upset with me if I say I don't think you have the chops to do what needs to be done to solve this. I believe I have the insight to do it, but I don't have the health nor programmer man-hours to do it.

I'd propose we get together and try to move ahead, but I think there is a difference in culture and focus and style. For example, I don't think we get there with part-time open source and laying out all my ideas in the open from the start. There needs to be a strategic approach. Normally I'd be all over this, but I am in a daily and hour-by-hour struggle to overcome a very unhealthy (fatty) liver and non-smooth kidneys.

What this does is it is debilitating (e.g. lack of energy, tiredness makes everything a chore, etc) away the normal functioning of the mind and body. I am hoping I get a breakthrough on my health. I am doing every thing I possibly can. Two days ago, I ran 3 times 2 kms (in tropical sun for vitamin D and sweat). Yesterday 5 hours of carpentry and fighting with very hard lumber with a $4 hand saw. Today 2 times 2 kms already (4pm now). Eating only oatmeal, raw or steamed tuna, steamed broccoli, wild black rice, apple, banana and today I made tomato soup (from paste) without any oil, just celery and white onion added, with herbs and black pepper. Delicious, but I don't yet have the entire breakthrough where I feel normal. Before running at 3pm, I just wanted to lay on the sofa, and couldn't really work up the energy and mental momentum to work. Although that much running and hard exertion I think in the past would make me bed ridden. So I am just hoping and praying I am near the end of the tunnel with this so I can get engrossed into coding. I did have an inspiration two days ago on my 3rd run, I was sprinting early in the run and racing a car. Was able to complete the run after slowing down a bit, but I hadn't been that aggressive early in run since early 2015 as far as I can remember.

Really when you create great software, you do it because you love and enjoy creating. If it is chore, then that is already an indication of failure.

What I am trying to say is as I stepped back and took an overlook on all the altcoins, I don't see anything seriously in contention for adoption or breaking free of simply being a tool of speculation. Anonymity isn't the ticket. Tor/I2P are a joke. If you are a dissident you use a pigeon (or other such more certain method), not Tor. And even if there are 100,000 dissidents in this world, that doesn't make a software market for a currency. If you are talking about serious potential markets for privacy, then you'd be looking into zk-snarks, but even I am not sure if that will develop into a significant market.

There are much more significant markets we should be going after. I don't think any of these people in altcoins have the necessary chops to go after these markets. I normally could be a leader, but I am just shadow of the guy who created mass market software in the past.

This situation is extremely frustrating to me.

Again I am all for working with talented people who have the chops in the markets I want to address. And who can be pragmatic about all this premine/instanmine political crap. All the altcoins are premined because none of the future adoption users are mining. This entire forum is one big premine orgy.

I don't say any of this to put any one down, nor do I intend to interfere with the speculation markets ongoing here (meaning I give up on trying to point out all the various P&D lies and hype).

I am just frustrated I can't (so far) do what I want to do. I believe it should be possible to leave all the other altcoins in the dust and that would diminish the impact of P&D altcoins on both speculators and the ideological goals many of us may share.

I don't classify myself as a "Monero supporter" - in the sense, I will not blindly peddle it for augmenting the community or for trade gains. I sure support it for it's tech(best in class at the moment) and the dev as well as R&D team (MRL is top notch, and I come from a write-papers academic background myself). I do not condone some of the non-professional attitude of some (including pony several times), but you can't change people. I guess a certain swagger comes with what they believe and work in and so be it. It needs to be "presented" differently but that's just my opinion.

So I am not upset one bit and understand what your allusions are at a philosophical level.


This should be welcome by smooth, pony, shen et al. I do recommend trying to present concrete solutions and not limit yourself to broad brush painting. They should be compassionate and accommodating in return. Perhaps you can join one of the dev meetings for starters, play out the ego warfares, propose solutions and go from there.


Agree with the thoughts here. zcash could have been whole heartedly community supported, but it's reward structure is an insult to crypto-enthusiasts and is just inviting everyone to just swim with the whales and further create factions for the next generation of crypto. If there are features that can be integrated within Monero, that will be preferred way to close out edge cases.




In addition to what you are doing, I really recommend a Green Smoothie to start off the mornings. Get a blendtec blender and blend spinach, green kale, red kale, celery, chards, collards, carrots, lettuce, broccoli,neem and beet (at least 24 oz to start the day). Cut sugar & gluten completely out of the system (restricted fruits only). Add a 100% grass fed whey protein shake in the evenings and I give 2-3 months tops before you are completely healed.  

TPTB, it sounds like you are 80% on board with Monero, but the tragedy of the commons, full node compensation, is what is bothering you most.  
  
Why don't you put that big ol brain of yours to work on building a layer on top of Monero that compensates full nodes, even if by donation?  Is there any way to turn greed into full node compensation on top of existing infrastructure.  
  
Bitcoin succeeded by turning ledger writing into a competitive sport with rewards.  Shouldn't there be an elegant way to turn ledger validation into the same?

If it's mining centralization you are worried about, is there a way to set up geographical or power-based compensation?  Let's say if a poor kid with a Raspberry Pi wants to mine in Africa, and he is the first one in his area who wants to mine, he gets something - even if it's not as much as the big boys.

My estimation is XMR will replace Darkcoin in mere 6 months. In the coming 3 mo Monero is about to offer 50% increase in value which makes the XMR's marketcap to 15 million. When the GUI ks ready, the profit potential is enourmous.

My 2 cents opinion... I can't even think of starting with Cryptonote nor RingCT as a base for what I want to do, because I want to popularize crypto currency and I need microtransactions and very high transaction rate scaling with instant transactions. Also I want to totally change the PoW model to unprofitable PoW where the mining is done by payers (not by miners) and verification is entirely centralized, because this is the only way I can see to maintain decentralization as a crypto currency scales up. All that privacy and anonymity overhead is baggage that makes it impossible to achieve my design and it does nothing for the masses, but stand in the way of the features for which they might actually use a crypto currency.

It is 2am here (slept 5 hours now insomnia kicks in again). At 9am I will receive the results from all my blood tests looking for an infectious cause. I am thinking my Hepatitis C test will be positive. That makes the most sense with the symptoms I have now. And I am actually hoping that is the result, because there are 4 month treatment cures for Hepatitis C now (just in the past year or so become available), but one problems is the treatments cost ~ $85,000 and I don't have that much money, and even if I had health insurance (which I don't), they wouldn't pay for it until my liver reaches cirrhosis. But I did read one of the treatment regimens is available for example in Egypt for $300 per month.

So hopefully later today I will have more clarity on what I am dealing with.

Normally with Hepatitis C once a person reaches the stage I am in now, then they lose their ability to work, etc.. But I suppose radical improvement in diet might stave it off and improve matters enough to get a few more months of productivity. I was able to code an entire dating/social network site Spring of 2015, so it is only since about July 2015 that I become totally incapable of sustaining the type of concentration and man-hours one needs to gain momentum with coding.

Back on the topic of anonymity and privacy, I think there may be a market for this especially corporations are going to want this. And I think it may be possible to integrate this with the type of overhaul of Satoshi's design that I am contemplating. But I don't believe the first priority is to integrate that, because first we need to make crypto currency popular. Also I think the privacy technology that will end up integrating best and also work the best for corporations will be based on zk-snarks, not based on RingCT (otherwise I wouldn't have stopped trying to get my alternative design for RingCT which employs the apparently more efficient CCT instead of CT). It is possible I am missing some key details which will make my assumption incorrect. As all programmers know, the devil is in the details and I have not been trying to integrate on chain privacy with my contemplated overhaul yet.

As I said, if I was healthy I'd be all over this and I would be silent, because I'd be having too much fun coding. I am talking probably because I don't feel well and I am not able to do what I love to do. Reflecting a bit, I think I developed an addiction for posting on these forums, because for one thing it was necessary for my learning curve in 2013 but also it became a crutch for what I apparently lost the ability to do. Yesterday I was sitting in front of the computer trying to work, but even last night I realized I couldn't speak well to my gf. When one doesn't have the energy to speak clearly (tongue tied), then that can explain why they can't also do any coding. I really think it would be difficult for another person to understand if they didn't have experience with a similar type of illness. I also can't understand why I can write and analyze on the forum, but it doesn't translate into same ability to code. I think the difference is that writing and analyzing is much less intensive, because it is small morsels. Whereas with coding, one loads up a lot of information and variables and has to sustain several hours of concentration to get anything at all accomplished on some snippet of code.

I think Monero has a very good shot of taking over the privacy realm, but I think after you get RingCT and GUI wallet done, you need to start looking at zk-snarks. If ever I can get healthy, and if ever I do actually produce some code for an overhaul of Satoshi's design, at that point I think there could be a consideration of a meeting of the minds. Any way, what ever I do will be open sourced upon release, so you all can integrate or cherry pick even without my involvement. Right now, the key is that if I can't get healthy, then I am just a windpipe.

Consider a Go Fund me for medical costs.  It's not glamourus, but neither is dying if you feel you still have contributions left to make to the species. 
 
Best of luck; I think you are missing some of the forest for the trees with regards to privacy and your idea would be an elegant, but ultimately flawed and partial, solution for digital money. 
 
Anything not totally decentralized is not going to be a long term (decade plus) solution going forward.

Let's see if that is necessary. Depending on Hepa C genotype (if that is what I have), maybe the medicine is available in Egypt for $300 per month (4 month treatment regimen). Etc.. Premature yet since I don't even know yet if there is an underlying infectious cause (although I strongly expect there is, because it just doesn't make any sense I would have fatty liver from diet alone given my athletic activities, etc). I know I had HPV in 2006 and dengue before 2012. So who knows what else I had/have. Also my symptoms included papilomas over my body at times (2013/14), white tongue, and other indications of infectious agent (which have mostly diminished except eczema, but that could be due to the herbal treatments I did).


Are you referring to any thing else besides the decentralization comment below?

To reiterate, I think privacy will become important only if crypto currency becomes important. I am saying that putting the cart before the horse doesn't make a market. I don't believe privacy is a feature that will make crypto currency important and used by millions of people. After crypto currency is used by 100s of millions of people, then corporations will need privacy for crypto currency. After, not before.


Monero is not going to remain decentralized as it scales. I already explained to ArticMine and smooth why that is the case (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183043.msg13850005#msg13850005).

It is impossible to make a crypto currency that remains decentralized for verification. Again I explained why to ArticMine and smooth.

The only way to maintain decentralization is to make orthogonal the decentralized control and the verification.

So yes I agree with you and apparently only I know how to make that happen. I don't see anyone else with a design that can work.

TPTB, if your Hep C test is positive try and come to Australia. New funding for Hep C treatment literally starts TODAY. Australia has universal health care, so once inside the medical system you're genrally not hounded by bean counters, you just need to get 'inside' the system as a foreigner.

Idea: get a travel visa with TOP health insurance cover, come to OZ, go to hospital and present with your symptoms, get diagnosed, get Hep C treatment, get cured, code your coin (or join monero), change the world.

http://www.hepatitisaustralia.com/newsarticles/hepatitis-c-treatment-coming-to-pbs/23/2/2016

Good luck!!

Genuine question, how do you envision companies using Zcash without having such a thing as a viewkey?

Also, this new blog post might interested you

https://z.cash/blog/snark-parameters.html

P.S. Best of luck with getting healthy again.

1. Generate unique address for customer
2. Accept deposit on this address
3. Reciprocate

Such a thing won't work in the following example:

It sounds like you have few options, the worst of which would be to wait until liver cirrhosis. I hope you can get treated quickly at a price you can afford so the level of focus and productivity you had in the past returns.

You have a lot of supporters here. Good luck!

Say my *piece. Not say my peace.

Wow that is a great tip and not just for Hepa C.

Btw, all my tests came back negative, including HIV, Hepa C, Hepa B, blood culture, urine culture, and prostate cancer enzyme.

Also my gastroenteritis doc further pointed out that the pain I am experiencing just inside the lowest right rib is not due to the fatty liver, but rather my stomach. And she said my fatty liver is very early stage.

So we are no closer to knowing the problem, except that I can now pinpoint my stomach and tie that into the May 2012 hospitalization for the acute peptic ulcer (that had leaked acid into my abdominal cavity causing all my organs there to tear and my stomach had ballooned up). Note my chronic fatigue and peripheral neuropathy had begun as early as 2009 or 2010 (thus the peptic ulcer is not the root cause of all of this), but it wasn't chronic and acute as now until after the May 2012 incident (yet it was already bad enough in 2011 that I was losing productivity). I continue to think it was an overload of infections that tilted my immune system into autoimmunity, such as the HPV infection in 2006 that stuck with me (I reviewed emails from 2008 where I was still complaining about the lethargy and early stage neuropathy effects in my feet when standing more than 30 minutes). And then apparently dengue sometime after that (and didn't hospitalize for it and didn't know it was dengue until later blood test in 2012). And then at least two severe infections from females, especially late 2011 and Spring 2012. This was all on top of continuous infections throughout the 1990s when I was living in squalor in the Philippines (and bitten by mosquitos continously).

My doc thinks it is acid and prescribed an omeprazole variant. She doesn't want me to eat apples, bananas, etc.. I asked her if it could be an ulcer and she said no because I would have blood in my vomit or stool. I asked her if there is such a thing as stomach cancer and she said yes.

I think she is wrong about stomach acid and I am not going to take more of those acid controlling medicines, because I've read they have long-term side effects. I am not going to take more antibiotics, because I already took those for months.

Rather I have a new theory. I think there is something out-of-whack with my stomach (scar?) such that if I intake took much plant oils that it is causing my immune system to attack my stomach (more scarring?). I think the problem is that I stopped eating fruits, because I thought the acid and fructose was my enemy. But rather it seems that the fructose of juice is an enemy but the whole fruit itself is a balance of soluble fiber and natural sugars together with anti-oxidants. I think body thinks my stomach is an invader and my immune system is attacking my stomach. I think the types of food I eat contribute to my body viewing my stomach as a toxin.

She said she could go looking inside with an endoscope, but they would have to sedate me and there is 0.5% risk of complications such as bleeding. I think that is too much of a risk, until I have exhausted all my diet change options. Yesterday I ate a large Korean pear, several apples, all kinds of different vegetables and fish. I am able to get fresh sashi directly from a tuna exporter and he has a $4 all I can eat buffet just outside the subdivision where I am living. I am finding that if I eat every 3 to 5 hours and continuously eating the fruits, well at least yesterday I was entirely able to keep the stomach pain from becoming that disseminated effect where the entire abdomen turns yellow and I would normally get systemic autoimmune effects in my head and peripheral neuropathy symptoms. I was able to keep the pain focused right at the stomach without the systemic effects.

So there is some war going on around my stomach. Maybe a tumor, maybe a scar? The CT scan will provide more resolution than the ultrasound and will cost me about $400. I'll probably do that later this month if the diet changes haven't worked by then.

The Australia option looks like perhaps the better option if I need to go further than the CT scan. They could also I presume test me for all strains of HPV (which I don't think the Philippines can do yet), which is I think one of the original sources of my autoimmunity sensitivity, due to the horrendous reaction of my body in 2006 when my ex-wide infected me with that (some high # strain which I forgot because I lost the copies of the Fax from her gynecologist).


Just like with fiat, nobody will care. What matters to humans is to get on with their lives. So what ever is working at the moment and popular, will be the default standard.

I don't think companies are going to want to trust and stick an unreliable (unreliable obfuscation and unreliable performance) Tor/I2P layer between their servers and the cash and smart contract block chain. I don't think they will want their anonymity set is limited to potentially overlapping rings that can be unmasked by what apathetic customers do.

Hey maybe the coin that has both RingCT and zk-snarks will be the winner. Monero could position itself accordingly and let the users choose which privacy construction they prefer.


I will need to study the Zerocash white paper again at some point to see if I can devise a way to do a viewkey that spans different transactions, but doesn't allow the holder of the viewkey to sign for a transaction. I am not sure if it is structurally impossible. Shen-noether and gmaxwell can also probably figure this out.

Let he who is without typos throw the first stone.

  ???


I can look back further if you persist being the town spellcheck jerk, but I'd rather not have to slog through pages of ethereum shrillzing.

Mate, i make legit typos and omit punctuation because I do most of my shitposting from my phone.

At least I don't write like I've never read a book in my life like most of the clowns on here

Are you in the other person's head at the moment of typo? I might presume you post drunk based on those two examples, but I'm not going to play word sheriff when I can't possibly know for sure.

My point is you're an ass for presuming that you know a legitimate typo from a failure to understand the language.

/facepalm because anon solves a problem right? A war over the war over anon sending of funds, anyone ever take a step back and realize just how stupid this monero/dash thing really is? Legit non criminal anon sending of funds...seems silly unless using for criminal endeavors.

Until you find yourself being extorted because you own a large amount of currency.

Privacy is important to all people, including honest law abiding citizens:
www.npr.org/2015/01/23/377716623/why-should-we-care-about-keeping-secrets

Speaking of criminals, which list do you think contains more enticing targets to attempt to extort?
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!rich
http://moneroblocks.info/richlist

Take a look at both block explorers above and answer honestly.

The US government once offered an encryption chip to businesses that was secure except that the US government had the keys--they're argument was that you could remain encrypted from corporate spies, but it would allow the government to check for illegality.

No one used it.

Why?

If I'm a military contractor, do I trust that those with the keys aren't in collusion with the US government? If I'm wealthy and support a particular candidate for senate, do I trust that if the candidate who wins is the candidate-I-backed's opponent, that he or she won't use those keys to undermine my business or create policy's that undermine my business? In general, no one should trust their government has their best interest at heart financially or otherwise (sometimes it's not in their interest to do so). Implied government trust shows an incredible lack of foresight, imagination and what history has pointed out over and over and over and over "absolute power corrupts absolutely," and if information is power, I'm guarding mine with my life, because I like being empowered and not being a slave.

"Legit non criminal anon sending of funds...seems silly unless using for criminal endeavors" besides showing an absurd trust that hackers or others won't use this information, also shows an implicit trust that the government keeping tabs on your information can mandate itself from never doing you or any good citizen harm with that information--which is absurd since every election cycle re-determines who a good citizen is. It's is laughable that anyone could make this guarantee when governments are showing by the very action of gathering more and more information that they intend to use it--why grab it if you aren't going to use it? And my guess is that they will use it to market and control people who say things like, "Legit non criminal anon sending of funds...seems silly unless using for criminal endeavors."

/sigh.

Also, for anyone who doesn't take future possible threats seriously or thinks history doesn't repeat itself, see "operation chokepoint" for a current example of a government using financial controls to try to punish behavior (or even eliminate it) without making it illegal.

You still need to get tested for candida, cholesterol and testosterone.

I still stand with my conviction that it's mold poisioning, most likely from the combination of air conditioners and building damp.

Thus, I bet you any money in the world your cholesterol is elevated and your testosterone is very low.

Candida is often a by-product of mycotoxicosis as it pertains to the same family (molds, yeasts, fungi).

Months on antibiotics would have allowed the gut flora to turn fungal, hence the white tongue.

Liver can be detoxed fairly easy with an olive oil flush, and also milk thistle.

Don't feel the troll stoat. Put him on Ignore.


I doubt Metabolic Analysis Profile (Organic Acids) nor comprehensive digestive stool analysis (CDSA) tests are available in Davao. What other test for candida?


I am never bloated nor gassy. I don't have stomach cramps. I have a very focused pain, that feels like a soreness at the lowest right rib.

How to treat? I tried all these natural crap cures and all they did was fuck me up worse:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maura-henninger-nd/five-steps-to-treating-ca_b_4810659.html

I am doing better past 3 days by eating tuna, fruit, oatmeal, and vegetables. They say don't eat fruit, but the fruit seems to make me feel better (in moderation) so far.

Can you go live somewhere else for a month or two? 

It really can only be a case of carrying on with the diagnostics. You can't treat something if you don't know what it is.

If you can't test for Candida, at the very least get cholesterol and testosterone bloods done. This is often a cheap indicator in respect of mold toxicity (and Lyme disease) and in any event should be a handy bit of evidence in a general sense.

Another cheap and easy test is C-Reactive protein which is a general inflammatory marker.

Also, AmericanPegasus's advice of getting away for a few months is right on the money - definitely something you should consider if you're able to. You might find that everything falls into place once you get out of your current working/living environment.

In the meantime though definitely get cholesterol and testosterone checked if you're able to.

I'll stop sticking these pins in this efigy of you I made if you cease FUDing ETH

TPTB, you might want to look into help from Gilead, the pharmaceutical company.  They might provide free drug for those who have no insurance--a lot of other companies do for other drugs.  You'll have to see what the results of your test are.  What are your symptoms if you don't mind my asking?

Bought some Dash today, don't regret it but goddamn.  Should have bought ETH for the short-term gain.  

Edit:  Read too fast.  Glad your tests are negative.  You sound like you're a bit of a hypochondriac, maybe?  Good to know it's not hep. 

Thanks. I changed my working environment to open air with a newly installed ceiling fan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14043930#msg14043930).

Sorry for the noise in this thread. I will get more tests.

I am not hypochondriac, as these are real debilitating effects (or at least have been ... see recent changes). Throughout my life I would say nothing and just fight my way through ailments.

But again how to treat the candida/mold? I guess diet and change of venue? I had told my gf, I really should relocate to a colder, drier climate. But I don't think I can afford to relocate to Australia right now for a vacation (but I will check into it). The other problem is my gf can't get a visa to go with me.  :(

Also it is very expensive to eat in Australia. I remember the prices are very high there, even much higher than the USA. I could return to the USA, but again a major financial dislocation as there are no relatives that will offer me a place to stay (not even my mother). Also my car and my current set up (computers, etc) are all here where I am. Very disruptive.

Going to Australia for medical tests/treatment may be plausible given kennyP's suggestion. But as far as ongoing treatment and staying there, that is less plausible at this juncture. But maybe even just getting away from a while might be helpful (and get some more medical tests), but I only have about $15,000 and then I am completely bankrupted. So I am in a very precarious financial state. Best would be to work and produce first, but that is what I had been trying to do with very limited coding productivity/continuity due to the illness.

The radical change in diet that past few days (no rice at all!) is causing some changes, but I can't yet access if these changes are sufficient. I am now completely off the supplements and able to function the past few days just with diet. I am still waking up after only 5 hours of sleep, but now I eat oatmeal and bit of tuna and then I fall asleep again by 4am to fill out my 8 - 9 hours sleep. This has been the pattern the past 3 days. Also the discoloration at my abdomen has become intermittent and also the pain would come and go. Also yesterday for my gf's bday at the beach, I was acting more normally such as acting like a silly young guy dancing, doing pullups, and I even took at jog up the mountain on Samal island. But the stomach pain returned after the jog but then it faded then came back again when I was hungry and then faded again after the sashi dinner. We will start tuna + vegetable soups today. Want to get away from eating canned (or fried) tuna during the day. So what I am saying is several things have been changed, so I want to see first what is the result of these changes.

Note from Googling low testosterone I see that even plastic bottle and cans can leech BPA and other EAs into food and water causing estrogen effects. Given the chinese dominate the Philippines economy and given the shenanigans they've been known to do (such as fumigating rice that is rancid so they can sell it), and given I buy distilled water in plastic bottles, and given the rental home has fiberboard ceilings, etc... it is possible for some environmental factors. I am trying to switch my food to entirely farm fresh, no frying. And no rice, no bread. But the oatmeal has so much insoluble fiber, I need some source of more soluble fiber thus the fruit.

Note that the lymph nodes at my throat act as though I am sick and I get a drip into my throat when ever I am feeling some disseminated inflammatory response all over my body (effects such as numbed lower legs, slight ache at the back of my head).

Well damn it, you're correct and I should have held on to the meager 8 ETH I had a few weeks ago.  I had a sell order in for 0.02 and canceled it and blah blah blah.  That's what I get for being stupid. 

Bought more Dash, though.  Still looking for an actual place to spend it.

I think Evan has a soda machine he drags around with him, but it may take a few plane rides. If you're lucky, the dash stripper will be there too!

rangedriver, today I started adding boiled red kidney beans (24 hour soaking) to my diet in addition to oatmeal, steamed vegetables, and fresh tuna (soup and raw sashmi). No oil, no rice, no sugars, no bread. So I will complete cut out all carbos that aren't loaded with fiber. I will also moderate my fruit intake. Let's see if that will starve any pathogens/fungi in my body.

On this diet, I feel the inside of abdomen is an inferno, yet it is cold to the touch. Something is going on. And I have continued to be alert today. Sort of difficult to concentrate with this hot sensation inside my body, but isn't painful (not burning just feels very hot inside), just annoying or distracting.

This list might interest you, basically products that have a really high fiber ratio, no sugar and also fairly rich in protein:

http://greatist.com/health/surprising-high-fiber-foods

I'd recommend the first five or so.

Another thing you might want to add is probiotic yoghurt as this will help rebuild the gut flora in your favor. The only way to kill candida is sugar starvation but it should be fairly easy to do.

However, mold mycotoxicosis is different from candida. If it transpires its mycotoxicosis then its almost certainly a consequence of your living environment - and that's going to be a challenge to defeat.

Tests will say for sure. If elevated cholesterol and low testosterone then you can narrow it down with these further bloods:-

http://parkridgemultimed.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Mold-Toxicity1.pdf

i cant help but admire how you guys managed to get this thread so far away in off-topic cyberspace that it will be extremely difficult to get it back on topic.
oh hell, i might as well join this off topic direction by answerring below question of The Pharmacist :



https://dashtalk.org/threads/merchant-directory-listing-updated-feb-2016.3445/
https://dashtalk.org/forums/merchant-directory.46/


http://qwizzie.1apps.com/dash-merchants/
https://i.imgur.com/xY33x5l.jpg

If anyone reading this is supporting Dash as payment option and want to have his/her service added to the Dash Merchant Directory Listing or have it placed on the Dash Merchant Map then please
post your request in here : https://dashtalk.org/threads/merchant-directory-listing-updated-feb-2016.3445/

thank you for reading this ...

edit : oh my, look at that Dash price rise  :o

https://i.imgur.com/HDEhe6L.jpg

Another moronic XMR post from this shill.

Get a life moron, nobody gives two shits about your shitcoin shilling.

It is nice to see the family growing and our adopted DASH siblings welcomed. I agree with everything you wrote above (except for the sub $1 USD XMR prices which are now behind us).

Welcome former DASH users! Together we can do great things

..and YOU have been dominated by ME ENDLESSLY failing trying to defend Monero.
If i put together a highlight reel it would be simply hilarious.
You have a hell of a lot of fucking god damn nerve considering the sheer stupidity you post here non stop
ALL OF IT defending Monero.
You don't talk about anything else.

Don't believe me people ?
Just check this idiots post history.
He's made a career out of hanging out here shoving his own foot in his mouth.
As soon as i see this guys name i start laughing.. what a fucking clown.

Jr.

You a liar and full of shit.

I seen the headline so i checked out what you posted.
NO PROOF + weak accusations.

If anything you highlighted problems with Monero ..congrats your shit topic here had the opposite effect  :D

What did you post ?
Some *meaningless* meeting of shit coin pushers got together and Dash guys were not there ?
Uhhmm so what ?
Where is this scam proof ?

You post a challenge to a guy from Dash to address some concerns with giving him the chance yet..
So in advance of that you are saying Dash is a scam ?

hey " Jr. "
Stay in school.. your are fucking stupid.

EDIT:
By the way all of you..
I never have nor will i ever own 1 single Dash coin.
I don't give two shits about the project either.
What i do care about is the TRUTH.
Something sorely lacking around here.. with all you sleazy deceitful greedy shit coin peddlers.
So no don't even try and accuse me of being a Dash supporter.
And yeah at times i have criticized them and even had comments of mine deleted from their ANN for bashing them.

Dumbass, as always stellar research skills, Evan (the lead dash dev) was there. Here's a picture of him and FluffyPony.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWDpfAXEAAD7al.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcWDpfAXEAAD7al.jpg)

It must be easy to rant about the truth (never mind that you can be honestly be wrong) when you're too lazy to do due diligence in the search for truth. AFAIK Evan was given the opportunity to answer the criticisms of the host of that show and didn't, meanwhile they criticized Monero, and Fluffy was more than willing to give them two interviews and managed to answer their criticisms in earnest. So now you can back to saying all coins are scams and other impotent logic.

IDIOT

Read what i said.

An accusation yet *again* from the same crew of Monero shill's is not proof.

Where is the proof ?

P R O O F assholes.. where is it ?

P
R
O
O
F

get it yet ?

proof
pro͞of/
noun
noun: proof; plural noun: proofs

    1.
    evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
    "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
    synonyms:   evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, documentation, validation, attestation, substantiation
    "proof of ownership"

https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3A+proof&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=define%3A+proof&gs_rfai=

genelizethis
you are not AGAIN wrapping me up in another game
where you TRY and lead me around with diversions like a horse with bullshit games.

WHERE is the -proof- you cocky little scammy piece of shit douche Monero shill ?

cough it up or SHUT THE FUCK UP moron.

And so help me god you snotty little fucking prick if i get motivated your gonna feel it !
I will demo your ass with a 100 page highlight reel of you never ending retarded comments
and how every sleazy little bit of verbal diarrhea that leaks out of you moron mouth is complete fucking bullshit.
Your an inept fucking retard.

I am not going let you idiot(s) get way with strutting around like your some smart crypto guy here.. nope.
fuck that shit.
you have put on a clinic of stupidity .. class Idiocy 101

generalizethis
i have dominated your pathetic scammy ass since day one endlessly.. 101,000 to fucking zero chump.
want me to prove it ?
know what i WILL you cocky little piece of shit asshole.
For now on i will be spending every day going through all your Monero shill histories
and building one hell of a masterful case against you pricks.
Then let's see you dare deny that you haven't been exposed as the real fucking frauds here already.
desperately STILL trying to shift the attention to DASH
When Monero is the shit coin with massive scammy drama that swirls around it.

Some of us here know "The game" we have seen the Monero attacking DASH routine
so what is this topic ?
A thinly veiled attempt yet again by another dummy account by the same deceitful fucking scammy Monero losers.
Who the fuck do you think your fooling ?

I have not lifted a finger in 2 years.. NOW i will !  8)
Buckle up Monero tards it's gonna get rough ..i *already* said 2016 would be fun ;)

PS:
PROOF
Where the fuck is it Monero losers ?

@generalizethis,
i am going to rip you a new asshole so stay tuned idiot :)

You made a faulty statement (again) and got caught--deal with it. Or do I need to call the WHAAAmbulence?

And I'm not staying tuned; you're back on ignore (still not sure why I took you off). Good luck with lottocoin or whatever it is.

The same Monero haters still hating on Evan and Dash because they could not update anything new to their crap coin...ohh wait maybe they did once every 1.5 years.

Keep it classy Dash people, the ones who come to these forums and see the level of Monero shilling in other coins related threads like Ann Dash/ anything about ETH, Whitecoin...basically anything other than Monero/boolberry/Aeon is clear to see. Let them hate since it is the only thing they can do after copying Bytecoin and somehow the a new team took over Monero's questionable launch.

I love it that Dash guys don't go to their marketing spam speculation thread or their dead ann thread keep it that way.

@generalizethis
Your a little irritating fucking prick that constantly plays games and i am tired of it.

re-read what i said you snotty little puke..

I posted a question mark.
I had no clue who or what transpired at some faggy ass "round table" meeting.
I think ALL of those meetings are a joke.. i never heard of one credible crypto meeting i thought was useful.
They are a circle jerk of bullshit by snake oil salesmen.

But what i meant with what i posted earlier was that the proof posted... was no proof at all !

@generalizethis, As you usual
you derail the conversation and side step accusations or real points made
and ever time you do i pwn your ass hard.

let's do it again shall we before i bury your ass later kidiot..

Re-read what i said..
i ASKED with a question mark dumb fuck.. that does not mean i SAID Evan was not there.
I was posing a series of questions mocking the so called PROOF.

So uhh you are wrong on that specific point and still failed to address my original comment.. any of it.
All you did was search for some way to try and discredit some aspect of what i said as a diversion game.
You crap is a fail train of predictable shenanigans.. again as usual.

All you are is a little yappy dog that i keep booting away that keeps having a run at me.
I can ride my "Whambulance" around loud blasting my sirens too
Because i am right and you can not nor have you even tried to refute the points i made.
Because your an inept clown.. slamming on your big ass horn HOOONK HONK !!!!
Flopping around here with your big ass gay shoes like a fucking sad ass pathetic wanna-be big kid wearing mommy's shoes.

I will be setting up the Monero douche bag awards and delivering them soon.
This topic was nothing but a failed attack that back fired and made Monero look bad.
By the same crew of little deceitful Monero scam coin pushers.
Posted by a disposable dummy account by the same hiding coward shitheads who have done this before 100 times.
All you Monero douche bags do is hang around here attacking DASH endlessly.
Then play dumb about just like your doing here once again.

Proof ? Where is it ?
Monero idiots.. you FAILED again.

But this time you fucked up because now i am HIGHLY motivated to rip you scammy leeches a new asshole.
Buckle up 2016 is going to be fun..
The forecast says there is a 90% chance of "RANT" coming.. duck & cover Kidiot - Investards  8)

Agreed and on that last point you made i want to point out how i have clocked that topic
and it's now reaching 700 pages.. i had said long ago it would hit 700 as a joke.
but the sad ugly reality is it actually HAS !

And how the hell has staff here let them spam here for 2 years ?
Few other people can get away with blatant advertising + Trolling like Monero idiots have.
And WTF ?
These Monero morons bashed the hell out of this place when confronted about their spamming like a 1.5 years ago
There was a massive revolt against them.. everyone here got sick of them spamming and flipped out.
then said they were leaving and that they never advertise here.. (they waited for shit to die down then kept doing it)
THEN there was PROOF found multiple times that YES they do in fact advertise spam here non stop
AND even though they said they were leaving to start their own forum then never fucking did !
All they did was stay and ramp up the spamming..

Your claim may be true...but for how long.

You nor I nor anyone knows the future. So it is a possibility and one that shouldn't be taken so lightly.

Your bold comment does not refute the possibility that in the future an altcoin can cost someone their life if the person uses it thinking it is private or whatever and then to come out there are repercussions for using a flawed system.

Like what ?
Silk Road ?

Imagine using Secure / Untraceable Monero on the New SilkRoad now !

Your claims would be shattered and guys would be in cuff's.

And dying over an altcoin ?
I am first in line fuckers.. i lead the death threat count HAHAHHAHAHA
Come & get it pricks.

I have been in a million fights..
If someone comes for me they are going to look -UP- then get a rude awakening LOL
I have no compunction for getting blood on my steel toes.. wouldn't be a first time ;)
Shooting your mouth off is one thing but having broke your hand punching people out a half dozen times is another.
First time i did that was prob when i was like 10 years old.
I laid this bitch out then i went home and ate dinner and my mom kept bugging me to get an x-ray
..sure enough i had broke bones.
Over the years it had happened again and again.
I KNOW what it feels like to KNOW your broke a bone.. you can feel the EXACT punch that caused it
but you simply don't care.
Fueled & drunk on hate is intoxicating.. i have literally seen red and blanked out almost killing people before.
i have endless stories.. i could write a thick book LOL

And what happened to me ?
I have gotten a fat lip and chipped teeth i think twice.. other than that i got me a lot of 1 punch knock out's.
And 99% of the time i was simply defending myself from people who thought they could pick on me.

Start shit with the wrong person and yeah it can cost you.

EDIT:
I don't "Think" i am tough i just now i can "handle my self" experience teaches you this.
And it's matter of logical decision making ..not emotions.

did this thread just get pruned? or am I getting over tired?

no, i think you were over tired thats all  ;D

I still did not see PROOF and i am fed up with Monero idiots pulling this shit.

Seriously where the fuck is the proof ?

"DASH scam exposed" uhhh WTF ?

I think we might have here finally proof to get some Monero idiots thrown in jail.
http://www.neowin.net/news/uk-cps-publishes-guideline-proposals-to-prosecute-online-trolls

@CryptoHunter
I had expected my "fighting" comment to have been removed already LOL

I am watched like a hawk and they seem to have a special rule book for what i am allowed to post here.
Was it on-topic ?
Maybe not BUT !
It was in response to Smoothies series of ambiguous little "people are going to get killed by DASH" comments.
My point was i don't give a shit..
I have had more threats than anyone else i know of in Crypto.
All kinds forever ..just a matter of time till i get another one.

Believe it or not if people do NOT have ADD they would see i say every single word for a lazer specific reason
deliberately tied to a reply or topic etc.
I don't post random things for no reason.

PS:
Monero idiots are going to jail.. Neowin.net story.. read it ;)

New threat to open source leaders, fluffypony needs to make sure he is never alone with a woman:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918

The SJWs tried to set up LINUS TORVALDS!? Who the ---- do they think they are??

Geez...no wonder Donald Trump is still the favourite to win the Republican nomination!

You guys do know that Spoetnik is trolling for "show me proof of DASH scam" right? Back in the day he was a 24x7 Darkcoin troll providing the proof and being a general little pissant about it all the time.




Check the SCAM Darkcoin instamine 2 millions DRKs (50% of darkcoin in circulation) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0) and his post history for amazing DASH/Darkcoin trollery back in 2014


He has done this for Dogecoin, Ethereum in the past (toned down on these two because they are wildly successful and mostly operate outside of bitcointalk, so he is restricted to just bitch and moan). Latest is Monero because a)He was trolled in Poloniex chat by some XMR die hards b) Regular bumping of the XMR speculation thread c) Presence of XMR in bitcointalk. Ask him anything technical on XMR and he will probably just whine.

Dash is Trash

Obvious scam from day1 perfectly executed