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Title: MNW Bet settlement Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 02:25:27 PM This thread has moved to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654
Quote In discussing this issue with Theymos, he advised me to make an additional thread to make sure that the members whom have ignored my messages to would have another chance to respond. As you may have seen in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136882), I am currently trying to make amends for my awful behavior back in September. I have had a lot of time to think about my actions and have come to the conclusion that this is the only right thing to do. I have sent messages to every member here in attempts to make things right, but some have either not responded (yet), have me on ignore (for good reason), or were fake names used by people who had no intention of paying if they had in fact lost. Because I cannot rightfully say that I have tried contacting them without taking this extra step, I am creating this thread in hopes that the following users will read this and message me or at least respond to my message. (To everyone else, my apologies for what seems like a whiny "Oh please forgive me I have sinned" spam thread. It's not what it looks like.) Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Vandroiy on January 22, 2013, 03:07:24 PM Let's see how this plays out.
As was hinted in another thread, trust comes by foot and leaves by horse. For good reason. Then again, I prefer people who stand up for their past to those who try to bury it and move on as if nothing happened. Sadly, the latter seems to be common practice. As for the bets, the one I would like to see settled is the one with hgmichna on terms of my bet. I never got the point of your terms anyway. I guess they already hinted something was fishy...? hgmichna is not very hard to find, but as noted on his website he is currently in Africa and returning early February. (There's an African phone number on there, but unless you suddenly decide to pay it'd be quite weird to call him. :D ) Title: Re: Looking for Post by: herzmeister on January 22, 2013, 03:09:55 PM ah, now I understand who's been buying all those bitcoins lately :o
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: muyuu on January 22, 2013, 03:15:34 PM If you want to pay up, you have the address in the original thread.
Not much more needs to be said really. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 03:27:21 PM If you want to pay up, you have the address in the original thread. Not much more needs to be said really. That's simply not true. What if someone's bitcoin address has changed? What if I am trying to contact them to offer a settlement? It's fine if they don't accept and I owe them the rest of my life, but some people who actually want to be paid something will probably want to be notified of such intention. It's not so cut and dry. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: finway on January 22, 2013, 03:33:03 PM Pay the debt, then you'll be forgiven by me.
Bitcoin Address: 1ALatCsyZ2fh4gLQNij1RuTeU3cuywE9YD Don't think pirate will payout as promised? If you truly believe that Pirate is a scam/ponzi, then this is a no-brainer easy money for you. Post in this thread how much you're committing and I will double that amount you commit (maximum of 10,000BTC in bets allowed in this thread total) if Pirate does not pay out in 3 weeks as he described in his thread. To make your bets easier to read, please stick to the following format: Code: 20BTC The above post would be betting 20BTC that he in fact is not going to payout as described. If I lose the bet, you get 20BTC sent to that address. If you lose, you'll need to send 20BTC to my address. Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 100+ post users will be allowed to participate. The minimum commitment is 0.1BTC. The maximum is 100BTC per person. Disclaimer: Although I think pirate is a high risk venture due to a complete lack of transparency on his part, I am sorely reminded that the forum needs to be taught a lesson when it comes to crying wolf on things without evidence. It's getting sickening. "SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!". So put your money where your mouth and bet for a better bitcoin forum/community overall. For the record, the address to remit your funds to if you indeed lose is 13dSK4663Ts7j2PwHS1eUVjycKLBwx7PJM Thank you and good luck! I reserve the right to lock this thread and stop accepting additional bets at any time. All existing bets in the thread will still be honored regardless. I'm in , 10BTC, if i win , please sent coins to 1FmUVR7cSnShhSSS8zzBnxsDLaCuGTK3TN thanks. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 03:37:10 PM Pay the debt, then you'll be forgiven by me. Bitcoin Address: 1ALatCsyZ2fh4gLQNij1RuTeU3cuywE9YD Thank you finway (good to see this thread is working!). If you would be so kind as to respond to the message I sent, it will make keeping track of things much easier (that goes for everyone else as well). Title: Re: Looking for Post by: jimbobway on January 22, 2013, 03:39:56 PM Payback your loan to Gamma Bitcoin Fund please.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: muyuu on January 22, 2013, 03:42:54 PM If you want to pay up, you have the address in the original thread. Not much more needs to be said really. That's simply not true. What if someone's bitcoin address has changed? What if I am trying to contact them to offer a settlement? It's fine if they don't accept and I owe them the rest of my life, but some people who actually want to be paid something will probably want to be notified of such intention. It's not so cut and dry. I keep control over the address I used for the bet, so in my case that settles it. Not a big quantity anyway. All I can get is some extra BTC, which if you want you are free to pay. I don't see how exchanging messages with you would change things. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 03:45:28 PM Thank you for clarifying muyuu. One of the benefits of communicating with me would be to know what is actually happening and keep track of payments. If you are unwilling to do that, I guess you will just get paid when you get paid (which seems to be your attitude anyway). I'm sorry that I have caused you to take that stance on the matter and I hope that I am able to make things right soon.
If you want to pay up, you have the address in the original thread. Not much more needs to be said really. That's simply not true. What if someone's bitcoin address has changed? What if I am trying to contact them to offer a settlement? It's fine if they don't accept and I owe them the rest of my life, but some people who actually want to be paid something will probably want to be notified of such intention. It's not so cut and dry. I keep control over the address I used for the bet, so in my case that settles it. Not a big quantity anyway. All I can get is some extra BTC, which if you want you are free to pay. I don't see how exchanging messages with you would change things. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: usagi on January 22, 2013, 03:54:39 PM I originally wanted to absolve Matthew's bet but a few of my shareholders have stated that is not my right. So. I've created clean address which everyone can check to see that Matthew has made payments to me for NYAN's bet.
Our bet was for 750 BTC. All money paid to this address will find their way to NYAN shareholders. I'm sorry matthew but I don't have a choice in this, it's my duty to post this information for my shareholders :< [19XedYRGLY4FBKpRwDK48481HpvXtRoMA4] Any and all money sent to this address will satisfy the requirement of Matthew N. Wright to NYAN. FWIW I think that if he makes payments the scammer tag should be removed. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 04:08:51 PM I originally wanted to absolve Matthew's bet but a few of my shareholders have stated that is not my right. So. I've created clean address which everyone can check to see that Matthew has made payments to me for NYAN's bet. Our bet was for 750 BTC. All money paid to this address will find their way to NYAN shareholders. I'm sorry matthew but I don't have a choice in this, it's my duty to post this information for my shareholders :< [19XedYRGLY4FBKpRwDK48481HpvXtRoMA4] Any and all money sent to this address will satisfy the requirement of Matthew N. Wright to NYAN. FWIW I think that if he makes payments the scammer tag should be removed. I wasn't aware your shareholders made the bet. To discuss a settlement (which cannot realistically be 750 BTC unfortunately), please PM. Thanks. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Herodes on January 22, 2013, 04:12:49 PM Not that I have a stake here either way, but I am not sure if a bet made on an internet forum would be enforceable in any court of law. So anything matthew pays will be out of his own goodwill. And God knows how many of the bettors that would actually have paid if they lost. Being labeled 'scammer' on an internet forum would probably be the desired option for many making bigger bets, esp. for those with little to lose.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: John (John K.) on January 22, 2013, 04:20:39 PM Theymos beat me in posting this to Important Announcements. :D
Best of luck in clearing this up! Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Transisto on January 22, 2013, 04:41:51 PM +1 A symbolic compensation, no matter how small, would have done a lot to cover the time wasted by this deception.
I guess It's never too late for excuses. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on January 22, 2013, 04:49:22 PM Irony in 5... 4... 3... (http://betsofbitco.in)
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Bowjob on January 22, 2013, 05:54:39 PM I was not around during the time of the bet but I think it's good that you're trying to own up to your mistakes.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: eb3full on January 22, 2013, 06:55:41 PM I wasn't one of the bettors but I remember you having a giant know-it-all ego way before you pulled that stunt. (You've been replaced by that guy who runs MPEx.) Have you learned to act more mature? What you write will end up on some section of archive.org in 50 years.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Richy_T on January 22, 2013, 07:01:59 PM Anyone want to set up a bet over whether Matthew will settle all his bets?
j/k Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Dansker on January 22, 2013, 07:04:27 PM I still think you are an ass :D
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: jimbobway on January 22, 2013, 07:12:08 PM Are you using your loan from Gamma Bitcoin Fund to pay back people? If so, that is immoral.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: paraipan on January 22, 2013, 07:14:17 PM Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 07:23:19 PM I still think you are an ass :D Old habits die hard, but I have come to grips with the need for a new attitude in my life. It may take some time, but it is part of the many things I want to accomplish this year. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Richy_T on January 22, 2013, 08:06:17 PM I still think you are an ass :D Old habits die hard, but I have come to grips with the need for a new attitude in my life. It may take some time, but it is part of the many things I want to accomplish this year. #1 being to get your dog to wear a suit? :D Title: Re: Looking for Post by: makomk on January 22, 2013, 09:47:41 PM I wasn't aware your shareholders made the bet. To discuss a settlement (which cannot realistically be 750 BTC unfortunately), please PM. Thanks. They were heavily invested in Pirate and lost out pretty badly from what I recall, even the ones that didn't realise it. Not sure to what extent usagi was relying on his bet with you though.By the way, my address from the original thread is still valid. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 10:08:10 PM I wasn't aware your shareholders made the bet. To discuss a settlement (which cannot realistically be 750 BTC unfortunately), please PM. Thanks. They were heavily invested in Pirate and lost out pretty badly from what I recall, even the ones that didn't realise it. Not sure to what extent usagi was relying on his bet with you though.By the way, my address from the original thread is still valid. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: edd on January 22, 2013, 10:33:25 PM I've learned from some people that the reason they didn't respond was that they didn't take the message seriously. You probably should have seen that coming. ;) Title: Re: Looking for Post by: makomk on January 22, 2013, 10:41:16 PM Don't think there's anything to discuss. You have my address, you know the bet amount, you know that you'd have demanded that amount in full if you'd won as you expected. In case you've forgotten:
After poking my wallet a bit, I'd like to increase my previous bet to: Accepted.20 BTC 1FXWXErhhfdrGvu65earaRss5wNcyigupL Still not entirely sure what Matthew's point is with all this, but I suspect it may not work out the way he's hoping it to. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 22, 2013, 10:56:54 PM Unfortunately, what you're asking me to do is treat you differently than everyone else who has already agreed to a settlement. If you'd like it be paid, I'm afraid it will require at least minimal communication. Thank you for understanding and I apologize if it seems as if I'm making it more difficult than it needs to be. This comes from direct advice of theymos and several others.
Don't think there's anything to discuss. You have my address, you know the bet amount, you know that you'd have demanded that amount in full if you'd won as you expected. In case you've forgotten: After poking my wallet a bit, I'd like to increase my previous bet to: Accepted.20 BTC 1FXWXErhhfdrGvu65earaRss5wNcyigupL Still not entirely sure what Matthew's point is with all this, but I suspect it may not work out the way he's hoping it to. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: vampire on January 23, 2013, 12:08:25 AM @MNW
I forfeit my bet. No need to pay me, because I didn't really believe it was completely serious. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: constitution on January 23, 2013, 01:00:37 AM Wow surprised to see this turn around in Mathew, your doing the right thing. But like others said, that move still makes you an ass, for eternity..
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on January 23, 2013, 01:05:25 AM Wow surprised to see this turn around in Mathew, your doing the right thing. But like others said, that move still makes you an ass, for eternity.. Some may choose to remember me for that, but I'll be making it very hard for them to. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: auzaar on January 23, 2013, 04:35:38 AM Irony in 5... 4... 3... (http://betsofbitco.in) http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1167Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Nemesis on January 23, 2013, 05:49:28 AM I still think you are an ass :D Old habits die hard, but I have come to grips with the need for a new attitude in my life. It may take some time, but it is part of the many things I want to accomplish this year. I heard drugs also help. So dont be afraid to take a few. You know ... to relax your brain and take things easy. Btw, i'm selling drugs at good price. PM me. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: BCB on January 23, 2013, 05:58:05 AM He's BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK....
Missed all the attention. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Nemesis on January 23, 2013, 06:24:27 AM Unfortunately, what you're asking me to do is treat you differently than everyone else who has already agreed to a settlement. If you'd like it be paid, I'm afraid it will require at least minimal communication. Thank you for understanding and I apologize if it seems as if I'm making it more difficult than it needs to be. This comes from direct advice of theymos and several others. Don't think there's anything to discuss. You have my address, you know the bet amount, you know that you'd have demanded that amount in full if you'd won as you expected. In case you've forgotten: After poking my wallet a bit, I'd like to increase my previous bet to: Accepted.20 BTC 1FXWXErhhfdrGvu65earaRss5wNcyigupL Still not entirely sure what Matthew's point is with all this, but I suspect it may not work out the way he's hoping it to. Hahhaha, you havent changed one bit. U want to scam some more dont you? This community is just too damn tempted. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: CoinCidental on January 23, 2013, 07:07:01 AM Scammer tagg removed without debts repaid ? hardly
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: QuestionAuthority on January 23, 2013, 07:41:21 AM ROTFL
This is your best troll yet! I'm laughing so hard I'm pissing myself. Signed Your faithful follower, CBH Title: Re: Looking for Post by: smoothie on January 23, 2013, 08:23:18 AM My bet was for 1500 BTC from early on when you appeared serious about the bet. My username on IRC was bitbotbut. Here is a screenshot:
Click on the pic to enlarge on hosting site. Sorry it's not better quality. How do you propose to settle this debt Matthew? I also have our IRC logs to prove it was me. http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4310/mattbet.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/mattbet.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us) Title: Re: Looking for Post by: misterbigg on January 23, 2013, 02:49:57 PM I wasn't involved in the bet but you sound like a complete attention-whoring jackass. Since I highly doubt that you can or will pay off the full amount of the bet, here's a proposal for how you can supplement the remainder with non-monetary compensation:
- Find a couple of bums and have a friend take a video of these bums beating you black and blue with their fists and feet. Make sure your shirt is off so we can see the bruises form. - Post the video To the people owed money: do you feel that this would help? Title: Re: Looking for Post by: flower1024 on January 23, 2013, 02:53:29 PM Find a couple of bums and have a friend take a video of these bums beating you black and blue with their fists and feet. Make sure your shirt is off so we can see the bruises form. To the people owed money: do you feel that this would help? i'd prefer to get no money over forcing him to make your idea happen. btw i think he is trying hard to fix this. and yes: he is an attention whore: but whats wrong about that? i enjoyed his posts in the past. lets see ... Title: Re: Looking for Post by: notme on January 24, 2013, 04:17:48 AM Find a couple of bums and have a friend take a video of these bums beating you black and blue with their fists and feet. Make sure your shirt is off so we can see the bruises form. To the people owed money: do you feel that this would help? i'd prefer to get no money over forcing him to make your idea happen. btw i think he is trying hard to fix this. and yes: he is an attention whore: but whats wrong about that? i enjoyed his posts in the past. lets see ... +1 You need someone to hug you misterbigg. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: bg002h on January 24, 2013, 07:51:57 AM I'll just cross-post...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136882.msg1469461#msg1469461 MNW...if you feel the need to pay me for the silly bet, do so by continuing to find ways to advance Bitcoin...and follow through with it. I think you've got talent somewhere inside your noggin. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Hexadecibel on January 24, 2013, 08:21:47 AM You can make amends with me by paying me my 1,000 BTC
The address in the bet thread is still valid. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: coin_toss on February 02, 2013, 05:05:47 PM Have sent you a PM Matthew in regards to your repayment of the 2000 BTC owed. I am awaiting your response.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: bitcoiners on February 03, 2013, 11:21:58 PM awaiting mine as well.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Vladimir on February 04, 2013, 09:30:50 AM I applaud Matthew's attempts to put things right. He, it appears, acting in good faith and trying to negotiate a settlement with parties that think that they were wronged. There is really no good reason to attack him for this.
One thing I would add is that, at least in England, with reference to Rights of Third Parties Act 1999 and in most common law jurisdictions too debts cannot be assigned to third parties without agreement of both contracting parties. I would say that if any debts were assigned to other entity than original bettors without agreement of both parties that assignment would be unlawful and unenforceable. But do check which jurisdiction is relevant and whether otherwise was specifically agreed beforehand. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: mp420 on February 04, 2013, 11:36:18 AM Responding here to claim my 50BTC. The address in the bet thread is still valid.
If you actually pay up, I'll applaud your honesty. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on February 04, 2013, 02:08:02 PM Thank you guys for your comments. I hope the rest of the individuals I am trying to contact will see this thread as well and respond to me if I am on ignore. I have this moderated thread to keep track of the progress.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654 Title: Re: Looking for Post by: el_rlee on February 04, 2013, 02:31:45 PM Hi,
you resolved with deslok? He was passing through for me. Unlike all the others I actually came up with the money up front... Also later on I raised my bet - which you accepted. How come my name's not on the list? You can send my 75 BTC to 1BSqMJmf2ogXm9oSYsxhiPF1LP4nHpP7P6 or PM me any other settlement offer. Thank you. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: deslok on February 04, 2013, 04:02:40 PM Hi, you resolved with deslok? He was passing through for me. Unlike all the others I actually came up with the money up front... Also later on I raised my bet - which you accepted. How come my name's not on the list? You can send my 75 BTC to 1BSqMJmf2ogXm9oSYsxhiPF1LP4nHpP7P6 or PM me any other settlement offer. Thank you. El_rlee I am disappointed to see you attempting such a thing after the initial fallout I recived this message from you 50btc well received, thanks A quick check to the address you sent me Hi, many thanks for your services, Matthews deadline is over and I really don't see he won the bet. Would you mind sending my BTC to 1FWMPAwHkqeTh9jdEo9YBoFztYbobZUPFS ? cheers, el_rlee A quick hop over to blockchain.info shows a 50btc transaction in both ways http://blockchain.info/address/1FWMPAwHkqeTh9jdEo9YBoFztYbobZUPFS as far as being 75 instead of 25, that is between you and matthew and as far as I am aware no coins ever changed hands in that instance hi, Matthew has put you down for 75BTC in his spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydFVHcGxLOExTbnhqajJLZmlSZUNtM3c#gid=0 . I increased by 25BTC here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.msg1123625#msg1123625 , it's my and not your liability. thanks for your help, be sure of my spare change and maybe even more in case I win. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: el_rlee on February 04, 2013, 11:58:50 PM Hi - sorry, that's not what I wanted to say.
I got my money back! Thanks for your escrow services! What I didn't get is what MNW promised to pay in case Pirate defaults... And as I understand MNW want's to settle with the people he bet with. So there is actually 75BTC open according to my book. That's why Matthew got the scammer tag. All I am saying is that he actually bet against me, and not you. You were acting as an escrow but it was my money and me who was risking it. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: ABitBack on March 03, 2013, 05:48:38 PM Wow this is great seeing as he could have just ran off with a load of money.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: teflone on March 03, 2013, 05:59:28 PM That list might as well list the whole bitcoin community....
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: muyuu on March 04, 2013, 11:30:08 AM Wow this is great seeing as he could have just ran off with a load of money. What do you mean? Talk is easy. He won't pay up. Hasn't even paid me and my bet was early and low, when it still wasn't obviously a fuck up. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: bg002h on March 04, 2013, 08:10:39 PM Wow this is great seeing as he could have just ran off with a load of money. He never took money during the bet...no one even had to prove they had the number of BTC (or XBT I guess) they were betting (I suppose some betters pulled a Matthew in that respect as well, but we will never know). Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Herodes on March 04, 2013, 10:16:08 PM This should be moved to off topic.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: bbit on March 05, 2013, 04:31:08 AM Title: Re: Looking for Post by: CrazyGuy on March 09, 2013, 11:12:18 PM Has anyone received a payment?
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Fluttershy on March 12, 2013, 11:17:52 PM Matthew, you wouldn't even accept my wager in your string of bets that would never be honored.
Title: Re: Looking for Post by: flower1024 on March 26, 2013, 12:10:49 PM Has anyone received a payment? i have been paid today and for me the issue is resolved complete. i did not receive the full bet amount - but i am ok with it. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: Matthew N. Wright on March 26, 2013, 05:56:25 PM The original google doc with all folks on the opposite side of the bet was deleted so there is no evidence for the folks who bet against Matt (like myself) using our #bitcoin-otc nicks instead of posting in the thread. Sorry - still a scammer in my book unless you bring back the original google doc. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654 Theymos and JohntheDong are keeping score on that thread. If you were one of the people betting, please contact Theymos directly, prove your identity (the one I'm assuming is from the OTC?) and then he will PM me and I'd be happy to open discussions for settlement. Thanks. Title: Re: Looking for Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 04, 2013, 07:35:42 PM The original google doc with all folks on the opposite side of the bet was deleted so there is no evidence for the folks who bet against Matt (like myself) using our #bitcoin-otc nicks instead of posting in the thread. Sorry - still a scammer in my book unless you bring back the original google doc. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654 Theymos and JohntheDong are keeping score on that thread. If you were one of the people betting, please contact Theymos directly, prove your identity (the one I'm assuming is from the OTC?) and then he will PM me and I'd be happy to open discussions for settlement. Thanks. Are you going to pay people off in BTC at over 100 bucks a pop. ROTFL |
