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mixan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=195206 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=195206)
This is the conversation we had few minutes back.

Does it call for negative trust by DT members on his profile?

https://i.imgur.com/1JaZdy2.png

I only gave an offer for an exchange. He had a choice to refuse it.
Is there anything in error to ask if they want to go forward with this exchange?
I don't, if the exchange went successfully for both parties then I would give him a positive feedback, thus he would have a green rating to forward his trading prospects here.

Just pointing out that mixan's trust raitings have no effect and will appear  as untruseted by default. The only reason he sees the Jr. Member with +3 trust is because in your trust list, you are on your own list unless you remove yourself. Mixan technically is using trust to get him a discount, which is similar to selling trust. He also lied and said your trust would become green and +3, which is not the case. I don't think your trust becomes green till it's over a certain number (5? Not 100% sure). Also, trust ages to 10 points over time, one for each month so you wouldn't receive 3 points instantly, even if he was on DT

lol his trust ratings won't give you any green ratings either. Btw at this point of time Green Trust ratings means nothing unless you're personally trusted by reputed members.Every other dude who closes a deal as minimum as 0.02 has green trust ratings.I would show you a few users who have repeatedly given trust ratings for deals worth 0.02.I have traded over BTC3 in this forum and still don't have any.You would know it better.I dealt with escrow.ms over BTC1 .never asked for feedbacks.Its general,people who'd have to trust you,they will anyhow.It barely matters..

The dude is actually trying to sell you trust.

Ok I was mistaken as I see the ones that I gave trust too as green. This was my error, I accept this. But, I was unaware of this so it was not selling trust.
I just pointed this fact (which was not right, I know) that is what would happen, is that selling anything?

and now this guy started abusing also.

https://i.imgur.com/zPN2Wvu.png

and now threatening to Dox me.

https://i.imgur.com/1SnKsLG.png

Hiding behind a screen is not a shield.

You could of just told me yes or no. Simply put.

I have no more conversations with a person such as you.

Fantastic. Selling fake trust. I'll ponder this for a moment. Don't want to rush with judgement but it sure looks shady as hell, unless someone can provide a solid reason why this isn't worthy a neg.

Whether you were mistaken about how trust works or not, you still tried to use your rating or the trust rating you would give as a reason to give you a discount. You also plainly stated to sardasa that your rating would get others to trust him and trade with him. Basically yes youre actions are shady as hell. You deserve a neg rating so you dont try to pull these stunts in the future.


Personally the trust system around here is shit IMO. 1 guy can ruin your account for you. Obviously if youre not doing shady shit you have little to no worries but ive seen some pretty piss poor ratings lately. Kind of a shoot 1st and ask questions later type system we got going on.

I dont even worry about the trust crap myself. I been around awhile now managing signature campaigns, buying btc, selling btc, and getting or giving loans. I have received quite a few good feedbacks as well but none from anyone who carries weight.(not asking for any either just stating facts) My point is if you go about your daily business and keep your nose clean you will get what you seek ppl. No need to care about being the top dog or any other crap.

I think trust system on forum is broke it no real in real life because any1 or me or you can put good or bad trust.
maybe it can be take down and then no confision. to easy to make look trusty person when real a scamer

I dont wanna derail this thread and get way off topic so this will be my last post on the subject.

I dont think we need to lose the trust system. If you dont trust someone its totally fine to put your rating on them. Or at least pop a neutral rating up, but DT members need to consider all the evidence before popping a rating on accounts. For the most part they all do a good job.

I sory. not mean to change subject. yes for most part the people on dt do good job but some do scam. it is no safe for us to trust the trust

You have no idea how the trust system works, do you?

https://archive.is/9tVPq

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

2)


That above statement show that he is not completely selling trust or is a shady person.

3) The OP is an obvious Butt-Hurt cause if he was so honest or nice person to make this thread then his next reply would have been -- "Oh no dude,you are selling trust which i think is shady and i shouldn't deal with shady people"-- but instead he was interested to get a positive if he is on DT or not (by asking it openly) & i am certainly sure that the transaction haven't gone through which is why the OP made this thread.

4)User asking for trust and user giving trust is not the same.The first one has the intent to scam & in this case it is the OP but the latter one shows the carelessness or thinking to benefit oneself/selfishness but not shady or scammy.

Your rating is a complete LIE.He openly said that he is not on DT,of course he himself is confused but that doesn't changes the fact that your rating is false & nor it gives you the right to put it as you want & particularly when there is evidence against it.

I think its funny how you complicate obvious things.Maybe there are a few more statements you should have skimmed through .




Lol ,other false assumption.Did you check Op's thread where he does his exchanges ? I think he has better offers in line to cry over not successfully trading BTC0.33.I don't see any reasons why this shouldn't be posted openly.


Nothing shady or scammy here,its against the forum rules to sell trust.You can clearly make out mixan wanting to sell trust by closing a deal for cheaper price.In fact,he emphasized on Trust as a source as why this deal should take place and not the actual deal.

#1 dont PM me, write here.
#2 You asked for -25%, because it will give green trust. You failed to understand that it would only change from your perspective. However selling a bad deal with you will get more deals from others because you will have a green rating sounds very much like trust selling to me.

OK, I admit I was in the wrong there. I am sorry for this. But the user could of just said "No thanks" but he continued with asking if I was on the dt trust system. Which I said no. I did not try and impersonate anyone, which is what your negative feedback entails.
No, I did not know how this was selling trust just that I was stating a fact which was obviously wrong. Thank you for showing me the error in my ways.
I will not do this again.

Here is what I see:

1) mixan genuinely believed that his/her trust can make someone green and was trying to sell it for ~$50

or

2) mixan was aware that his/her trust is meaningless and was trying to scam the OP for ~$50

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.


mixan lied by promising to increase OP's trust rating and tried to get $50 for something he couldn't possibly deliver, even if you ignore the whole "trust sale" issue.

Now you say that I attempted to scam in the false feeback that you just left.
Wow just wow  :o
The system here is broken. Full of lies just to pump up your credibility with what ever agenda you have in mind.
This is just sad  :-\

bought account? you asked for -25% because you would have left positive trust. how exactly do you call that?

Of course it's the system's fault. How about a quick glance at the mirror, shall we?

You got a neutral in an extremely shady deal. Count your blessings and move on.

I got scammed for 0.3 btc by a green trusted member.  After that, I removed everyone from my trust list--green trust means little around here.  Not absolutely nothing, because there are reputable members, but little.

Well, A genuine person would have straight away said a NO and have opened this thread.The question "are you on DT" is shady in itself and of course the jealousy of unsuccessful deal on top of it.Like i said ,giving and asking trust are way too different acts.


No.Clearly he is not having knowledge of the system.I would have agreed to this if he falsely claimed to be on DT, which he didn't.And that is what makes shorena's rating a lie.


System is full of shit and everyone knows that but in a situation of yours i wouldn't start venting on users who barely leave me a Neutral rating.

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And I am solely posting here because of this.

It was sadasa choice to accept it or decline my offer to progress his overcharging those members "business" who turn to the first person they see.
that is all I can see there.

you wanted to exchange your feedback for 25% off, yes or no?

1] I see that Mixan has only one positive trusted feedback , but the ss given by Sardasa has  58/-0/+25 , how is it possible? May be i am missing something.

2] OP need not to show each small conversation as it is really not good to disclose ones conversation , thought its choice of OP.

Yes.

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Custom trust lists.

That depends on the PMs/conversation. In this case, I'd say OP has been doing the right thing.

Yes because I can see sadasa is ripping people off who know no better.
I asked for a reasonable rate on the thread of his overcharging and that is what I offer to buy for to cover against the $11 decline of todays price. I had to give a reason to ask for such a discount, so that was it.
Simply as that. If that deserves a neg, then so be it.
And Luptin, yes it was a bought account. Glad I boosted your trust rating with the 4 feedbacks I gave you while I was there. You are a honest individual who doesn't act like this OP with accusations and actually think before you act upon what you perceive as malice content. But I am not worried as I believe in karma, and it is a bitch that will bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
A shame it has come to this just over a misconstruct of bad decisions on my part.

it has just hit you, like a bus

He'll be fourty-something in 12 years, and I suppose he already can tell you quite a deal about real life.

yah just saw that he is 31. Alas, our fate is what we make of it.
I should of read Shorena's post a week ago on March 17 about selling trust then I would of made a better decision of my actions.

OP is a scammer because he continued the conversation with you and confirmed that you are not on DT & then made this thread.You are a selfish person cause you offered such a thing.Karma is a shithole and wont get any of you.People will laugh and see you die crawling cause they don't give a shit to it & just need to pass their time.Learn to survive cause you are already born.

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also with the recent doo drama i dont think the system has any value left over now.It's over.

so we will meet last year. cool thing. the age card... sooooo grown up...

You just have to keep digging, don't you?

-25% discount on a PayPal trade is not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination. +25% is more like it, due to ridiculous risks associated with PayPal.

Nobody was ripping you off, you could have walked away from the deal instead of (a) trying to sell trust, or (b) lying about trust, whichever it was.

Calm down, stop flip-flopping between belligerence and remorse, talk to shorena, perhaps you can work something out. Don't offer to pay for trust though :)

I do feel I was baited like what the crooked cops do with entrapment with luring you in then making claims that the accused is at fault. Something has to change around here or this sort of thing will make this place intolerable to all involved in this forum. Show the entire PM conversation OP, then let the finger pointers decide if you were just baiting me into your rouse to get me flamed.

Interesting. Obviously OP won't show the full convo if he has something to hide, so you might wanna post that. Maybe it will explain how you were "baited".

You threatened to dox him... so I'm gonna assume that's because you know something the rest of us don't, maybe some shady? Make sure to include that too, it will only help you.


That part is pretty funny though. You're trading using a BOUGHT HERO ACCOUNT... probably one of the things that should be changed around here.  :D

It was senior when I bought it in October. as you can see from the post that were mostly in alt coins that changed after that. No trust was on this account, that was started from scratch.

Doesn't really change things... You still used a bought account to trade.

You gonna show the entire PM convo between you two, explain how you were baited and why you were gonna dox him?

You were trying to scam. You said that your rating would get Sardasa's trust to +3 trust to try and get a discount. Had Sardasa went forward with the deal, once the deal was over, his trust would stay 0 on DT. You also claimed that the trust rating would be green, which is not true. The trust color doesn't turn green till it's 5 points. Sardasa's would have stayed black if you could give the +3 trust you claim.

I believe you, rating removed. The neutral by suchmoon should be enough. A all out negative is probably a bit harsh indeed.

Yes this I did not know. That is what I stated already "I was in error/mistaken" This was not trying to scam.
I was green so I thought once I give a trust to someone their current trust +'s would turn green too.
I am green behind the ears(as I said I became holder of this account 5~ months ago)  when it comes to trust ratings, this is fault to crucify someone?  ::)

Ok, I thank you on this. I see you are just person now, that's why I did not try and talk my harsh words to you. I give ill intent to those that are giving me a hard time on this wrong on my part. I have learned from this.
I will be more careful with my actions in the future. Just the ones who are pressing me here will not let up, I have defend will what transpired with my side of things.
May good karma go your way on the justice & kindness you gave here today.

Locking this thread now as mixan learnt his lesson.