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The system detailed below is a variant of Martingale and Paroli, which I have come up with to provide a high "jackpot" pattern of betting, minimal risk, and built in "insurance".

Read closely.

Its bet on a series of 12 total possible red/losses at 2.00X.  

Many players like to Martingale their bets, which is a sure way to lose your whole bankroll.

Feel free to give this a shot and post your results, thoughts and outcomes.

HOW TO PLAY THE "RISING WHILE LOSING PAROLI"

You start with an initial wager (I'll use simple numbers, but you can use any standard multiplier for your bets/bankroll).  Example:  1 could represent 0.00000100  and thus 2 would be 0.00000200

You start by placing a wager of 1. On loss you increase your bet to 2. You continue to increase your bet by 1 unit up to 12 (you could go higher if bankroll allows).  So you would bet on consecutive losses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.

Upon a WIN: Upon the first WIN in any SERIES. You Double your Bet. You do this a maximum of TWO doublings. (Three consecutive wins). The series is then over, go back to 1.

So a series could look as follows:

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE         - 6
4        WIN           -2
8        WIN           +6
16      WIN           +24  PROFIT
GO BACK TO 1

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE          -6
4        LOSE          -10
5        WIN            -5
10       WIN           +5
20       WIN           +25 PROFIT

BET      W/L          TOTAL OUTCOME

1        LOSE          -1
2        LOSE          -3
3        LOSE          -6
4        LOSE          -10
5        WIN            -5
10       WIN           +5
20       LOSE          -15  LOSS   (This would be the 7th bet. Losing 15. Martingale bet 7 loss would be 127.  
GO BACK TO 1        

You reset back to 1 on any win... as well as any loss after a win.  So if you win bet 3, lose bet 4... go back to 1. After a broken win streak of 3, if you lose the 2nd or 3rd bet, no matter what, restart at 1.

This ends up being a much safer method than Martingale.  Martingale Simulation on 12 Rolls:


BET         WAGER         WIN/LOSE         CUMULATIVE LOSS           WIN PROFIT

1                 1                LOSE                     1                               1
2                 2                LOSE                     3                               1
3                 4                LOSE                     7                               1
4                 8                LOSE                     15                              1
5                 16              LOSE                     31                              1
6                 32              LOSE                     63                              1
7                 64              LOSE                     127                             1
8                 128             LOSE                     255                             1
9                 256             LOSE                     511                              1
10               512             LOSE                     1023                             1
11               1024            LOSE                     2056                             1
12               2056            LOSE                     4193                             1

WITH THE PAROLI VARIANT I'VE BEEN PLAYING:

The maximim loss you could ever sustain in a series is in a way insured by a non-expononetial increase in wager and limited increase on win.

The worst case scenario after BET 12 being a loss would be 78 Units.   The worst case loss on a WIN roll 12 WIN roll 13 LOSE role 14 is: 90

Because you would WIN bet 12 winning 12.  WIN bet 13 wining 24. And lose bet 14 losing 48. The wins on 12 and 13 in a way insure a huge loss on 14. A win on roll 14 after 12, 13 14 yields a profit of 18.

Any 3 series WIN STREAK after 4-8 losses yields a profit of 18-30 units. And many streaks can end after the 2nd win, thus you dont streak out the 3rd loss.

So give it a try, comments and thoughts welcome... but please spare the "the house always has an edge", yes i know we all know. Just a playing style.

I will try this, at least it look better than martingale style

I usually do this

10 % chance 0n loss increase by 1.2

Start with less base bet .

You should really try this method I've outlined in my op post. 

Simple:  Bet 0.00000100   If lose add 0.00000100... and so on for each loss max 12 then go back to 0.00000100.

On a win... say you've lost 5 so you bet 0.00000600 next bet after winning on 0.00000600 is now 0.00001200. If you lose, go back to 0.00000100. If you win do a final 3rd bet doubling. 0.00002400. Either way after the third bet, win or lose, go back to 0.00000100.

Try it. Really.

BTW, 0.00000100 could be 0.00010000.  If it was 10,000 sat, youd add 10,000 each loss. 

Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.

I could have swore they said the rolls were truly random and provably fair ;)

Yea basically you're simply shooting for any 3x streak of wins. Thats it. Roughly 12.5% odds. But a payout of 20x what martingale pays.

So 12.5% win chance with 15-30x payout on win.

or Martingale and get

50% chance on win and 1x payout.

This does work.  Of course yes, either 1 you hit a simply bad loss streak never gaining on 3 wins in a row over 1000s of bets, or the house simply says- yea I dont like this well give you the rolls we like.

But yea, so what the sites manipulate rolls is that what you are saying? ;)

Interesting results on 3x payout with same betting pattern.

The bets meerly tread water and hold at the same amount... just waiting for a triple win. Just takes longer to hit 3 wins at 3x but losing streaks are nill.

I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.

Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

Didn't the OP just said spare the "the house always have an edge" thing? Jeez.

Anyways, I tried this method. It honestly doesn't pay off at 45% (x2.2) imo. It brought me down to -23% of my bankroll just from the mere fact that it's harder to reach a 3 consecutive win streak. I had better payouts with martingale with x2.2. However, when I tried 49.5% (x2) it brought me back to +2 of my original bankroll. Of course it took a very long time but was worth it. Could've potentially have been at +25% if I went x2.

Just wanted to tell that it works! Well, to an extent, at least.

Yea of course duration of play in terms of rounds does come in to play, so you went down on 2.2; but you (and of course you know) could have come back up; as luck does fall into the equation.

Another variant you can try; is to play for 4 consecutive wins, or 5 consecutive wins.

At 2x payout (49.50% chance of win); your maximum loss per roll is limited to whatever you set your base bet at provided you play through to a win of X (number of consecutive wins) you decide on in the begining.

So if you say decide on a base of 10000 satoshi you could see a bet sequence to win as follows:

FOR A LOSING SEQUENCE AIMING FOR 4 WINS:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 LOSE
0.00040000 LOSE
0.00050000 WIN     (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 5 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW -0.00050000   (0.00010000 PER ROLL)
0.00100000 WIN
0.00200000 WIN
0.00400000 LOSE   (EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE LOST; YOU HAVE STILL ONLY RISKED AND LOST 0.00050000 YET PLAYED 9 ROLLS = LOSS OF LESS THAN 0.00006000 PER ROLL

NOW FOR A WINNING SEQUENCE:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 WIN    (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 3 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW 0.00000000   (0.00000000 PER ROLL)
0.00060000 WIN
0.00120000 WIN
0.00240000 WIN   NET WIN:    +0.00420000

REGARDLESS; It doesnt matter how many losses you have before you hit your win streak; your maximum loss per roll is limited by this strategy to your base bet x # of rolls.

Martingale is too risky, a long loss streak wipes you out. But with this strategy, as long as you calculate a safe number of being able to hit some bad losing streaks in a row; as in losing 8x then 10x then 5x then 7x before hitting an actual win/reset- the payout is much higher.

For Martingale, to net 0.00420000 in profit, you have to win 42 martingale series runs; without doubling up every roll and busting out.

This works much better.

I built a bot that does the betting and calculating and resetting all on it's own. It works great and havent lost thus far (knock on wood).

martingale strategy for dice is not good
you can't always profit for this strategy for the long time.

This is the chart I created which shows the possible progression for the betting pattern.

If you look at the max loss vs payout, it can be a good way to play, and is also customizable, you could do 4x streaks, or even 5x. Depending on your bankroll.

3 seems to be the best overall for me, it has the least amount of up and down swings in balance.

I have run this with my bot starting at 100k satoshi a number of times, and a half day later the balance is 400k to 600k.

Here is the link to the chart:

https://i.imgur.com/ss88e1A.gif

Ive been playing 1000 usually. Sometimes 2000, sometimes 500 (satoshis)

Its just a simple bot I created using WinAutomation. Unless you have the program, you can't read the source... it's their own propriatary "waj" format. The only other option I can output is an EXE, which is what I use. It runs as a sidecar to chrome or firefox.

You can see if you can download a free trial, I could then post the source waj project file for you. (That way you can read it for your safety - as while my EXE is totally non-malicious I would never recommend using an EXE file from someone on a site like that where it could steal coins.

But long short of it is, you set your base, it rolls, and follows the rules. Add base to each bet until win, double 3 times, reset. Rather simple.

Its slow though, but I dont code js or c+ so my coding ability is limited in that sense.

damn thanks to this i will try it let's see how it works :D
it looks better than martingale tho

I played a while with a starting bet of 0.00025000.

Made 0.6000000 in under an hour.

That isnt how provably fair works

Ermm so tried this with a script based on the method..and so far its not profitable..Care to show us a video of you profiting using this method?

 :) Nice Strategy, but house edge will catch you out at some point :(

Interesting. But it hav`nt much sense, cause only stupid gyus plays in casino.

I made a script based on this idea. U can check it out here https://bot.seuntjie.com/Scripts.aspx

Looks like martingale.. maybe it will work from someone but i think it always depends in our luck..
i will try this in faucet bonus maybe it will work.. just try..

I've tried this a couple of times now and it doesn't do too bad, again it's all about the luck

Your strategy is only suitable for PrimeDice?

How think this strategy will be work with head or tail game? http://rollincoin.com

fak the maths and everything you see or heard of ...  ;D

it is simple , when you gamble with a lowest house edge even with 0 house edge :

you aim to double -- your chances are less than 50% .
you aim to quad -- your chances are less than 25%

and so on.

no need 1 million threads to discuss/analyse this  :-*

of course we got sigs to farm or whatever

happy Easter to Orthodox Christians and all :)

EDIT. 07-May-2016
whatever system you may use , overall what i wrote is within reality
some quoted my post about a single dice roll - IT IS the same even if you play 4.513.146 times.
get yourself a 5 leaf clover may help a bit :)

The odds of even a fair coin toss (50/50 chance) are far more complicated than just using the power function to predict the odds of rolling above or below the 50% line.

There's a number of theories out there on how to predict the actual odds of a given streak occurring within a series of coin-tosses.

But it isn't as simple as 50/50, then 25%, then 12.5, and so on.

This strategy is basically Paroli (google him you can read all about him); his betting methods were designed for Roulette. Betting strictly on red or black.... but did not include adding to your ante on loss.

So the OP took his strategy and built in a semi-limited Martingale on the losing rolls. As insurance- because looking at the chart posted, which seems correct, it would seem that provided you had the bankroll (which wouldnt be hard using this strategy to create a safe bankroll).... to play, and where you are strictly limited to your.... what he calls "basebet" per roll.... provided you keep playing and finally hit your 3 roll win (which isnt that hard).

So it's Paroli with a partial Martingale insurance back end which makes sure you don't blow you bank. Id think you can play for a long while without huge swings. Maybe---- get lucky:  Which would be to go into a losing streak 5, or 6 or 7 or even higher then immediately a 3 streak win (that would be a great win).

It's interesting. Certainly safer than Martingale.

I need the script for the Paroli betting style. Can anyone provide me the script ?

I'll try to apply your strategy to Da Dice if something happens I will write  :)

sorry bro but there is some problem in your script...
after 1 lose reset to basebet and dont count the last bet+10

Yeah forgot to address that..After completing a series, it resets to base and if that base bet losses it bets base again and thats it. It only appears after completing a series though but other than that it follows the idea.

are you using this strategy?

I scripted my own bot for this. I can record a video for you guys if you like. I havent considered releasing it as of yet. If I did, I would want to add in some features because right now it all has to be hard coded for any current "play style", in terms of bet size.

Problem is only thing I can deliver is an exe file... which I understand people view as malicious.

I dont write js I use a program that helps me program then compiles it into an exe, but theres no source code to provide other than the WAJ project file which isnt really useful unless you run WinAutoMation which is I believe about $500.

So perhaps someone could take the concept and script a bot that functions properly, but yes, the betting method is BY FAR safer than martingale, and I have had very nice winnings while playing.

step two if lose return to base . i don't know is it return 100 or last wager after x2
I trying return to 100 if lose in step two , but balance is decrease .Please record video if you can , thank .

You add your base bet (whatever it is) to your last bet each loss.

So if your base is 0.00001000

0.00001000
0.00002000
0.00003000
0.00004000

4 Rolls.

Say Roll 4 Won. (0.00004000)  You would now have 1 of 3 wins. You would currently be sitting at a profit level of:  -0.00002000   (lost first 3 won 4th)

Your 5th roll, being you won the 4th:  Would be 0.00008000    (You double your last bet on a win)

If you lose the next roll (5th) you go back to 0.00001000 start over.

THIS is why the strategy can perform so well with much less risk and much higher possibility of reward.  Because on your 5th roll if you lose:  Yes you lost 0.00008000 (but that was house money).  Your bank is down only -0.00010000 on 5 rolls, averaging 0.00002000 per roll.

A three streak is relatively easy to hit at 2.0x payout.

Regardless you play to 3 wins. If you lose BEFORE hitting your 3rd win:  Go back to 0.00001000 and climb back up one basebet per loss at a time.

Do the math, if you 20 streaked red and lost, even on the 3rd "possible win" so 20 red, 2 green, lose 3rd:  you've only lost a fraction of martingale play. With martingale you'd be done. With this, you can keep on playing.

LAST POINT:   You can also limit your series length to protect your bank:    So only play to 8. Only play to 7. You can play BEYOND 8 if 8 is a WIN, because you're playing with house money. But if you lose after 8 losses, go back to zero.

So chose a method that works best for you. I've found the sweet spot to be:   Only play to 7. 7 Losses then reset to 1. It limits your losses on long run red streaks. But the payouts can still be great on say a 5x loss 3x win. You can, also play for 4 wins. 4 wins in a row are not all that uncommon.... but you will see larger swings the longer the series you are aiming for.

If you think about it; how many times when you play auto-rolling do you see "Wow I just go 9 greens in a row".  Do the math on doubling every time using this method. Play a 9 series game. Go for 9. It's customizeabe. I'd only recommend DONT STRAY. After your first win, you are betting with house money. So stick with a strategy and play it like a bot.

But I'm bot rolling this, I don't sit there and watch it just runs. Its making BTC.

Can u pm me with the script please i'm trying to do so but didn't succeed thank you.

I understand , i completed auto with your idea . Hope we luck .
x2 and x2.2.Which is better?

Well luck does come into play. I was successful at 2.2. But another member said he lost using 2.2 (not huge- again this strategy basically has "insurance" built in; it's how I came up with the sequencing. (Or I aimed to come up with a betting sequence that limited losses but gave opportunity for big wins. Etc.

I would play 2.0. Its designed for 2.0. 

The 2.2 was basically saying "statistically" it's not that diferent, but it is. Because it creates a river of loss in the center, where your rolls cannot touch.

Honestly, 1.98 might work better, because 1.98 fills in the river to where all rolls from 0.00 to 99.99 have a chance to win; depending on your hi/lo setting.

Of course though, the payouts will be less.

I havent decided if I will release the script. If I do, the only way I can (my coding ability) is to release an EXE file. Which I know makes people nervous. So if I did, I'd want to look into a trusted member of this site to review the code/compile with me, etc, so people can feel theres no malicious code within. If I release, I want to make some upgrades as well, a GUI, and perhaps add compatibility with other dice sites.

IF i do all that work, I'd likely charge a nominal fee, because it would be a bit of work; and what I made for me works for my needs.

If there is interest in this- as a product, for a small fee of say 0.05 or something; post and let me know. Depending on interest I can guage whether or not it's worth it. If a bunch of people want it, the price could be lower, but there is time involved to put out something that is easy to use and works correctly and has been beta tested across sites.

Not trying to gouge anyone, I just have what I need for my needs, but to relesae something, there would be work involved.

I write my bots and programs using a program called winautomation; which is $500. It only compiles to EXE, and it has its own language. Without it, you cant use the script... only if I give you a compiled EXE which I am not ready to do for stated reasons.

I'd go in at price point of 0.05 provided it works. The method is good. Nice work. But manual betting is something I don't have time for... so an auto-better would be great.

Hello HeyYouGuys.

I've been reading this post about interesting strategy for dice sites. I understand your point and the base of your strategy. I have WinAutomation. But I don't know how to create a job to automate the betting process.
Can you send me your .waj file so I can analyze and watch the full automated system ? If the system works good I can send you 0.05 or 0.06 btc without problems.


Thank you in advance HeyYouGuys.

There is not a single strategy be able to guarantee profits from dice or any other luck based games.

What if you catch a 10 times losing streak? This shit happens more than you think and with the %49,5 winning chance, it happens a lot.

Not a single strategy works when you are losing contantly.

Hello.

This is my settings:

Base bet: 1
On loss: Increase bet by 100%
On win: return to base

I am still losing it all.
Am I doing it right?

Don't want to be salty or something, but like any 'strategy', you will be losing in the long run. The dice sites have an edge on you, so you won't be making money.

your strategy works important  to stop in time
P.S. but in general I'm not a supporter of strategies  :)

I played a while with a starting bet of 0.00025000.

Made 0.0600000 in under an hour

Yea I think any strategy long run will end up catching up with you as the house edge chips away.

But playing this with the 3 win strategy I came up with is a decent way to make some coin, because hitting 3x greens pays out at such a higher ratio than the losses, and the chances of hitting 3x greens is very likely, over and over. I've been nothing but profitable.

Hello HeyYouGuys.

Can you confirm me if the following rules are correct ?


-Chance: 49,50%

-After first loss, increase base bet + base bet.

-After first win, double the base bet.

-After 7 bets, reset to base bet.

-After 3 win streaks, reset to base bet.

-When first loss happens after a win, reset to base bet.

-When first win happens after a loss, reset to base bet.


Thank you.

Sorry for the late reply, was on holiday.

No, you increase your bet on a loss by your base amount. Then when you win, you double. You double on first win. Second win, and if you win the third roll, you go back to your base bet.

You can do very well with this system, or a variant of it. But 2.0x or 2.05x payout, and with a basebet of 0.00010000 you can profit 0.01-0.02 per hour easy. If you have a biggger bankroll obviously you can make much more.

Its simply based on the fact that at 2x 3 roll win streaks will be common. And it is much much safer thank martingaling which is a way to lose all your money fast.

nice startegy mate risky but if you have good capital it will work trying it with a free faucet from freebitco i think it's working for a while will check if the system won't detect my method and will allow me to win some. good luck and thanks for this share buddy.

Well the idea is that it highly reduces your risk.

The payouts are also much higher.

I've only won.

Chart Updated

Was a bot/app every developed for this? This proved to work extremely well, but is a bit tedious to do manually.

The chart you put together is top notch. Thanks for that.

Just curious if any developments were made by the OP or other posters who are using this system.

PM Sent to OP User.

Cheers!

Strato

Strategy still doesn't work in the long run because of house edge and long red streaks, or having a lot of win/win/loss series of bets. All strategies have the same return value if they have the same number of bets. This will fail eventually but can potentially work for a while if you're lucky enough. It just takes longer than the martingale strategy which means that you have to bet more, which is bad.

Did you try this on long run? How many hours do you think it can last and how many profit did you made using this bot? I hope that this bot is very effective and can really make income and I'm interested about this bot.

the house will still caught it and will diverse the roll, i think if you can control yourself it would help you to win some btc but you need to go out as quick as you can knowing all the house already knows the pattern of our bet and keeping it that way will easily beat us.

No if you use your brain and learn google and reading then you can see it is fact that it cannot be done. It is impossible actually impossible it cannot be done. Otherwise if you won't believe then why dont you show us a video ? That is the best proof.

I have made a lua script for the seuntjie dicebot if anyone is interested:


But this one won't stop at a given number of losses and reset to base!!!

Not working already did it for thousand times..theres no trick in gambling its pure on luck and faith.
Can you make another one for another testing?

Anyone tryed this on PocketDice? I'm curious about this method, seems ok by me.

This is also what I think, and the bad thing is that the house have always a counter system which counters all the strategies and different methods to win in dice which will end in loosing all of your bitcoins. I am hoping for the op to make a video of his strategy and provide a clean .exe bot.

This is pretty much a modified martingale, but worse. You see, martingale works buy multiplying your base bet by your multiplier after each loss so if you win after a loss, you make back all the consecutive losses before it. But that also means that it will eventually hit a losing streak that you cannot afford.

This script however, does not multiply your base bet, but adds to it. That means if you're playing on a 2x multiplier, you'll lose bitcoin if you lose more than 2 consecutive bets. Not good.

While you stated it won't stop on a loss streak, does it stop after 3 consecutive wins, and then returning to base bet?  The system based on my trials, only works if you do as the OP outlined, roll until 3 wins and then go back to base.

I'd also agree from the simple standpoint of mathematics, that the negative EV cannot be overcome. But I would also say that there are betting patterns and systems that certainly, in the short run, give you a better, perhaps much better chance at realizing a profit and exit point rather than a total loss.

Martingale for example is a perfect example. In theory, playing a game where the player has an unlimited bankroll, and no house max exists; it would work "infinitely", as one could simply continue to double down on the next loss to no end.

But unlimited bankrolls do not exist. And houses have limits in place to stop to total loss based on just these types of methods.

This is new, which is good. And at least the times I tried, it actually worked well.

Cheers!

Strato

I have not tried the script which was posted. But I'd argue your point that it's just a Martingale but worse.

First, it isn't a Martingale at all. It is based on a Paroli style of play.

Second, Martingale doubles on losses, this only adds base to current loss. Martingale loss streaks increase with such a high amplitude, you're bust in no time.

This method minimizes risk incredibly, as you only add base to current loss. There being no out of control loss streaks.

Lastly, 3 streaks are fairly common. And the goal of this method, would be to try to hit a 3 streak AFTER a loss streak of 5 or 6. That seems to be the sweet spot based on the chart in the OP Thread. Which by the way illustrates all of this.

EDIT:  And of course just to add, of course house edge is always in play. Never play with what you cannot afford to lose.

Cheers!

Strato

Sure, this script does exactly what OP has explained except resetting after x losses in a row.

And I have run some simulations as well and think this one is worse than martingale unless you are looking for a short fast win.
I think if you wanne make profit with this one you need to hope for a fast "jackpot" (3-win-streak with many losses beforehand) and then get out fast.

Because the longer you need the more you will lose on average...

the longer you use this strategy the more time for the house script to adjust so which it correct if you are just looking for a short time profits you can try using this and go out right away after winning it is really hard to defeat the house you really needed to be more lucky to do that.

I use this trategy and it doesnt work.

there are no "strategies" while gambling, period. You could have the illusion of some strategy working if you win for a little while, but that's just pure randomness. No matter how complicated it looks,  you don't have a strategy, you just have a more complex method to lose that will just take you a little longer than "normal" betting.

Why do I mention this? I gambled away 0.5 btc trying every single "strategy" I could come with. I would've had a much better chance if I had 2x the whole thing the first time.

Remember, gambling is just entertaining.  you are paying for it, just like a movie or a dinner. you don't expect to get your money back when you do those things, do you? it's the same thing with gambling. You pay, enjoy it for a while, and that's it. you won't make money.

thanks for sharing this op this should help alot of people

I like it, I'll try it out (it's always best to switch out strategies after you win a bit on one).

It reminds me of mine, when it comes to seeking the 3x wins, it works out well for building up a balance form faucet.

I call it Best Out of Three.

This works best on manual play.

Play on 2x
Make 3 bets.

If you win 1 out of 3, triple the bet and replay.

If you win 2-3 out of 3 of the bets, return to base bet.

When you lose all three bets, multiple current bet by 9.
Usually with this, I only allow two wins (unless it's an affordable amount), as a lot of times the 3rd is a loss which results with you breaking even.

Bets can grow fast with mine if you have rotten luck, I suggest not using it all the time. I also like playing this in 3x payout, but only increasing on loss by 2 and 4 instead of 3 and 9.



Pretty much this, but ot's fun trying out our own ways to lose, hehe!

sir can you make the script compatible with dicebot?

I don't know what you mean.

This script is already made for the seuntjie dicebot which works for almost any well known dice site.

You just have to go to the programmers mode and paste this code into the code tab.
Then simply go to the console tab and insert start()

i tried it on the seuntijie dicebot used the proggramer mode but it doesnt work on bitsler i dont know why it doesnt work in that site everytime i type
start() it does not do anything i only tested this on bitsler but not on other site

thanks for your contribution by the way

4 months have been passed since you started this topic, i guess you are sitting on big money now  ;D Can you tell us how much did you win or lost whit this strategy  ;D Lets say you have 50/50 chance to hit in first roll(but you don't because house edge), in second roll chances are 1/4 and in third 1/8 or 12.5% without house edge.

I will try this

wait for this

You start by placing a wager of 1. On loss you increase your bet to 2. You continue to increase your bet by 1 unit up to 12 (you could go higher if bankroll allows).  So you would bet on consecutive losses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on.

does this means

For the auto bot setting

initial bet : 1
on loss : x2 | increase 100%
on win : x2? (Not really sure about this part


Thanks!

My instructions are pretty clear. Yes you increase by 1 base unit every loss.

On a win, you 2x your last bet. Up to 2 times, for 3 wins. After 3rd win, go back to base.

So a progression would look like: 

1
2
3
4
5 W
10 W
20 W
1
2
3
6 lose
1
2
3
4 W
8 W
16 lose
1
2
3 W
6 W
12 W
1

Etc

And in the same progression, do the math for a martingale... far riskier. Calculate the win amount on what I just showed:

1         -1
2         -3
3         -6
4         -10
5 W      0
10 W    10
20 W    30
1          29
2          27
3          27
6 lose    21
1          20
2          18
3          15
4 W      19
8 W      27
16 lose  18
1          17
2          15
3 W       18
6 W       24
12 W     36 win

MARTINGALE

Martingaling the SAME sequence, a 2x doubling on each loss = 8 WIN

36 VS 8

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https://i.imgur.com/ss88e1A.gif

thought the base bet is 100bits but it turns out 1000 on your screenshot? can you please explain more in english pls if you know what i mean :)

Your base can be whatever. Its just a unit. A metric.

If your base is 2000, you use 2000 as the base, and increase 2000 on losses, and double each win for 2 wins, going back after a 3rd win.

thanks for this mate let me see if i will lucky using your method as we all knew that dice game needed more luck even we have good strategy.

alright let's see how it goes :)


strategy is 50/50.... if you are lucky and have a goal...
you'll profit

otherwise

you'll end up empty.

goodluck guys

i try your strategy with 100.000bets. my result: you dont have enough 3 times win, to cover the loss after 2 times 2win.
Can you show us a proof that the strategy for you work?

Why don't you suck the casinos dry if this is working?

In gambling, either you are lucky or not. If you are lucky, you beat the casino, take every penny they got away from them and you became the new casino. If not, you lose everything you got.

If this strategy have worked, there wouldn't be any casinos doing any business out there by now.

U messed up in your own system three times  :D

It would be 27 VS 9

But showing one sequence which works better for your system then martingale is pretty naive.

I can give u a better strategy for your sequence:
Keep betting 1 and bet 10 every fifth bet xD

Would be 32 VS 27 for my system  :o

a really nice strategy to be honest, i hope it will make me big money

SO i can give you my bets of your strategy.
This dont work!!!
Can you give me your chart, so i can believe you.

http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=419613-1473098125.png

http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/419613-1473098125.png (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=419613-1473098125.png)

5000 bets it nothing for conclusion about strategy.  Made at least 500 000 bets!

i made. this is only an example...believe me the house is king

If this is 50/50 win/lose situation then how you can call it a strategy in the first place?
Do you have strategy for coin toss too? Toss is and pray it will be up with the side you chose? :D

Hope you continue doing well with your system but from my experience like everyone else says any system is only profitable short term and the longer you play the more likely the house takes your money

if its not 50/50 how do you call it? :)

He screwed up his math on his quick example. But his posted chart is correct from what I'm looking at.

I tried this a while back just playing for fun, I was more interested in gaming/bitcoin/commerce, and tried this out when the OP originally posted.

My conclusion was: The house does indeed have edge, you cannot turn -EV into +EV and vice versa.

However, when I did play this strategy, it's pretty easy to hit 3 streaks when playing 2x odds. I tried a few variants of my own, shooting for 4 streaks, and so on.

The long short of it is:  If you have a decent bankroll, or budget your bets correctly, you can withstand a swing down before the swing up. I ended up in profit. Hitting if I remember correctly a 3x streak after 6 losses.

Granted I just playing around, I think my base was 0.00000100. But it resulted in I guess:

An initial loss of 0.00002100 (6 losses upping 1 step per loss).

Then I won on 7th.

700 win
1400 win
2800 win
- 2100 loss from first 6 rolls.
0.00002880 Net Profit

Now had I been playing at a base of 0.10, the win would have been 2.8BTC.

3 streaks, no so uncommon. The question is how many do you allow yourself to lose before going back to reset. His chart goes to 30.

Using Martingale, you'd be busted out, by 20ish most likely.

With this, if you were so unlucky to roll 30 losses, then only 1 win and then lose-- math in my head tells me, your loss would be under 0.01BTC using the 1000 satoshi base.

If you rolled 30 losses and then rolled 3 wins, the payout would be 0.00210000.

Using this system, 30 is survivable.

The sweet spot seems to be around 6-7 losses... best returns around there. Lose 6 or 7, hit a 3 streak. But any 3 streak in any series will profit.

House always wins... if you keep playin!

Cheers!

Strato

I have a question about the "method". if you lose, let's say  5 in a row and then you win one and you double the best, but you lose again, you go back to base bet right? Same after the second win? thanks!

Thanks a lot for this bot. i ve been trying it for a couple of hours and i had a losing streak of 13 on dice but nevertheless i ve been profiting anyway. with classic martingale my 48000 doges would be zero now while now i have 48424 lol. its an old thread but i want to keep it alive. is that possible admin? it seems worth it. will give more updates if needed, thanks! :)

I know it is very old thread. But just wanted to post my openion. I tried so many strategies. But out of all those, i prefer to advise febo. One up on loss and 2 down on win with 49.50 winning chances. It is not to critise any one. It is just my openion. If i hurt any one, i am ready to remove this comment and say sorry. thank you very much

it doesnt work brother. it ends up in loss

I charted this in excel, was a little tricky, but was able to do it.  Nothing amazing happened on the charts, that i would find useful for session play.  The concept is not new, there are quite a few types of number lines with parlay in them, 31 parlay is one of them, you bet like a sequence that totals 31 and parlay the win ones and restart.  There are other number lines where you keep on going till two wins, and if back and forth happens on bigger bets, there is a limit, and than restarts.  Some famous casino grinders use and swear by them, and are usually found in books not websites.  The way pros play them is not the same way we play them I think, they grind with black chips and massive banks and often one unit win can be enough to live for a day.  This goes for all systems, including the STAR system.  When I try these systems I hit my consecutive numbers in the low ranges and than it flies through all the big bets without double hits, and thats that.  When I played this system manualy, not on charts, it was fun, it jumped a bit up and down, and I stopped with a small win.  I recommend playing everything progressive, or everything in reverse, and only manual.  It also become like chess if you're in it for the long run and have enough betting units, since using progressive system will produce overall more profit, but most of it is hard to capture, since you loose it if not cashed out, reset.  Also profits attained this way are very slow and inconsistent, and doesn't satisfy the appetite of those who want to make good money gambling.  Martingale is an excellent system, but each session needs to have a stop loss, that way if one day you get 4x on your session, next day you only loose one session on bad string of losses, not everything.  Of course they can and will happen in a row too.  Also system analysis/charting/coding varies strategies is very good because it develops other skills, programming, charting software, etc.

Wrote a script to simulate this - always a loss with any house edge. It does end up wagering a decent amount of BTC compared to the loss, but a loss non the less.



Below is the python code - the roll method is pretty straightforward

I've tested this strategy. If you win more than you lose, you'll be in good profit compared to other strategies.

If you lose more than you win, no strategy will save you. (except martingale if you have unlimited bankroll)

You might win more than you lose in short term, vice versa. In my simulations you need at least 1,000 bets to almost equalize win/loss ratio.

Hi,
Martingale is always losing strategy,
even if you wait before play.

You can test it here where you can crash any strategy you want with a million bets in 0.5 seconds:
https://www.bitso.me/hi-lo-calc.php

On top, use strategy=1, down set "min losses" at 1, set the margin you prefer, then in "tot rolls" set 1000000