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Site down for over an hour?  DDoS attacks?

I didn't do it!

Site is down  :(

And Coinotron

Both are being hit from what I can make out.

i dont think it is a ddos

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It's a DDoS, there are confirmations from btc-e and coinotron.

Someones hate for NVC was level :10

Or.... I cant believe I am gonna say this... a long con? That goes well with the pre-mined and immediate adoption of nvc on btc-e and price dumps and coinotron non-payments? :OOOOO

(btw, this is a joke...)

Wow, I guess someone is pissed about it. I hope when everything comes back up all the coins are in the same place!

Oh lordy here we go, down the rabbit hole!

Coinotron is under DDOS attack :(

Funny story though. I wake up, check on my miners as usual to make sure nothing crashed. Can't connect spam in reaper. Refresh first internet page that's up to see if its my internet (it was btc-e address in chrome)? No go. So I refresh the second tab (coinotron.com) No go. So I proceeded to troubleshoot my internet for like 10mins... Lol

To DDoS BTC-E for the implementation of NVC is the right thing to do.

Up until now, BTC-E did everything to gain the trust of its users. But this
NVC thing is just corrupt wihtout limit.

What about live and let live? Ddos attacks are dictatorship. A single person (or group of person) deciding what's good or not. What gets attacked or not. If it upsets people they can vote with their actions. Do not use BTC-e, do not mine NVC, do not use coinotron. Those are the proper course of actions. Not 1 person to decide the faith of something.

uhhh, no, not really. DDOSing is illegal, so it is never the right thing to do. I don't necessarily agree with BTC-E's choice, but its really their say what coins they offer. If you dont like NVC, don't trade them? its like if you dont like seafood, would you dismiss the service of a restaurant because they also offer seafood on their menu? Or would you just not order it.


cough cough, Nazi Germany was a fascist regime, they rather disliked communists. But besides that I agree with the sentiment

No its not democratic. But not every non democratic decission is bad and people might agree with it. Like me.


Oh so if it is illegal, it can't be the right thing? So Gov. all over the World make the right decissions when creating the laws? Not in my opinion.
Just wait until they start making BTC illegal. You think its right then too?

Sorry, I had the impression it was dictatorship but on retrograde you are totally right and I have to admit my actual knowledge on the subject is very limited and I should refrain from speaking about stuff I don't know. Thanks! (I'll edit it to not cause somrthing off of that though)

Don't waste your time. :)

Such guys love and truly believe into dictatorship... Until soldiers or police crack of their own door. Many of dictatorship supporters was executed in 1917-1949 by their own rulers. ;)

That you agree with it or not is far from relevant. One man should not decide for a community. I don't defend NVC. I accuse ddos'ers of falsely labelling themselves as white knights and doing the very things their apparent ideology is against. Its hypocrisy at its best.

Please don't see it as support for NVC. The non-global launch and the large premine is still unexplained. And although I don't actively hate or whatever, those either require a statement that you assume publicly the financiary gain (which honestly I don't really have anything against) or an explanation.

Says the guy who loves his corrupt regime and premines his scamcoin to make some quick $.
Just weak.

Well but its interesting, that im labeled as nazi because i state my opinion.
I'm not the one who is DDosing so i guess i get some projected hatred here.

I don't see.

I can agree with you, there are some issues. But at least, there are no "large premine". 110k is nothing for this rewarding model, try to understand it. ;)

I did not target you in any way. I target the ideology of attacks launched by a single entity without the consent and support from the affected community. If you do feel targeted, maybe you should reconsider the country you live in.

Just a comment.  I think he was showing his support as part of the community.

if I can imply that as a statement of planned financiary gain, I'm all cool with that. I support open source and shared work, but I also believe that people enroll in what they support and that financial gain is only possible with support for the currency. I am not offended by someone making money without stealing. But fact dodging and deception is something I have harder feelings towards.

After the incident? And without a proper polling system?

 Of course it was support, I am not ignorant.

That's pretty much what i intended. Thank you!

I dis-agree with this.

on the 5th day of a new coin.  I put 20 7970's on it for 24 hours and only mined <250 coins.  (9.3Mh)

so i would say that 110k is pretty significant.

projected hatred I can deal with... its the projectile vomit that is just harder to clean up from

If it is "nothing" why not just destroy the coins and have all of this complaining go away?  It would benefit the coin, and many more people might be willing to adopt it. 

+110K :P

Says the guy, who stolen away the work time from many innocent coinotron and btc-e users. You're a criminal, once time you'll make mistake and be in jail. You have to simply put up with it. :P

P.S. Unlike you, I'm a public person with enough and fair sallary. I didn't hide my face behind keyboard.

https://plus.google.com/117595806883792900223/

It's probably more than 110k. Isnt that a number someone predicted, then, the NVC dev said "oh yeah exact 110k, but it's fine was sent to BTC-E"

I'll happy to do it, but this coins was sent to btc-e, as a guarantee of stake. Only btc-e can do this now.

ddos is for kids, what are they gonna succeed with it... dem noobs

Will you ask them to do this then?

Wow you aren't even able to follow a Topic over two pages.
But i guess i'm right with that projected hatred, and it makes me happy, that you get angry by the DDoS <3

P.S.: Lol you are bald HAHA

That effectively renders your opinion worthless for anything regarding social ethics.

Sorry i had to adjust my level of conversatioin to match Baldazar

I did not see him sink to physical appearance comments "level of conversation". Just you.

He started the evolution thing :D

But i don't really care, as long as i'm having fun lol.

You can still trade your NovaCoin at http://exchange.zapto.org/

Never argue with idiots, they just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Maybe in future I'll ask them to do this. But why don't ask them without my help? ::)

I've done haircut, are you against? Or just have nothing to say, because you afraid of tet-a-tet discussion IRL?

I can offer you a tickets to Moscow, and we'll have some talk. ;D But I think that you are juvenile, and can't leave a country without parents permission.

are there any altcoin pools which are protected for ddossing kids ?

P2pool will start tomorrow, I think.

In true bitcointalk fashion, everyone will have their opinions expressed now dammit!

With no mind to security and no moderation... Now watch... the little guys will lose again!

What bitcoin has always lacked is a community. What this place is doing to bitcoin is what eBay did to online sales. Not only was the setback for a certain time period, but forever and ever.

TO THE ACTIVIST: Let the people move their money! Let up a bit once in awhile at least, Thank You

Burnside's pool is pretty much protected against this child's play. Afaik it's the only ltc pool with ddos protection.

I think you are right.
He can't be reasoned with. I'll just stop following this Topic.

But you guys have fun ^^

I'll take the tickets! Always wanted to travel! :D

This whole thing stinks of a BTC-"purist" that can't handle competition deciding to DDOS the 2 largest sites supporting NVC. While I have a huge problem with the "premine", and an even bigger problem with the fact that the premined coins were "given" to an exchange (sounds like a bribe to me), I can't understand why someone would attack the websites like this. If you really have such a problem with the coin, mine it for a couple days and dump until the price hits 0. There's no need for this childish bullshit.

Yeah i'll take some tickets to russia to :) i always wanted to travel there, and not so expensive for me as i'll be coming from europe not US :D

also yeah totally agree with your attitude to DDOS... and really like the idea of just mining the coin and driving the price down to 0 :P sounds like a way to at least somewhat hinder the whole PUMP and DUMP thing... i been meaning to look into setting up a pool ... and I would be very interested in setting up a pool for such activity... anyone else interested? any thoughts?

BTC-e.com - work  ;)

Lol yeah, do it. But please post your face afterwards if you see the price to climb back up (endif)

And down again.

FTFY

wow check this out lol...

They finally updated their signature and put NVC second to bitcoin ...haha

"BitCoin \ NovaCoin \ Litecoin \ RuCoin \ NameCoin <-> Exchange btc-e.com

BTC-E.com // Биpжa пo aвтoмaтичecкoй тopгoвлe BitCoin \ NovaCoin \ Litecoin \ RuCoin \ NameCoin <-> Exchange btc-e.com"

They got what they deserved !

Quick request to whoever's DDOSing these guys: Give us 5 minute windows every half hour so we have a chance to get our coins out of the sites and to local wallets. That wouldn't interfere with your attempts to prevent "business as usual", but it would still let "just the simple user" get their money out.

Lesson: don't keep the bulk of your money on this exchange or even a small amount.

I am very disappointed in BTC-e owners. They were in such a good light too even after the Hack back in the Summer.

Shame on BTC-e.

You would think after the majority of the community is telling them this is bullshit that they would be swayed to remove that crap coin or dump that shit, but no...they promote it like it is the next best thing.

Purely profit driven bullshit.

Of course they're pushing the coin: They've got a large quantity of it that they want to sell at a good rate!

Hence why it is a scam. They are THE largest holder of NVC. Probably a good 30% of all supply currently...AT LEAST!

Bullshit scam BTC-e.

Ir does not matter if they removed the coin.  It doesnt matter if they "destroy" wink wink the premined coins. They can not be trusted now, they have proven that. NVC is a scam, but btc-e are the scammers.  Even if they removed nvc now, does anyone honestly think they wouldnt pull some shit in the future?  I would be willing to bet this is not the first time the customers have been scammed.

Agreed. I'm starting to wonder if they're even being DDOS'd right now, considering support and dev seemed to have more than enough time to go disable trades and remove orders during the first stretch of downtime. You can't do that if the site is unreachable.

All i have to say is.. The LTC community that i used to like, is reminding me an awful lot of the solidcoin community.

I'm wondering if it actually consists of some of them...

The way people are DDOSing.. Attacking other crypto currencies... "litecoin foundation"... i'm sorry but i don't like the way things are turning out...

What happened to our friendly community of the past??? I see mostly trolls as of now..   ???

I still have 100% trust in BTC-e.. I do not see them as scammers because of 100k coins.. i mean come on guys?? What is 100k coins... nothing..

I remember back in the early days of LTC.. i used to mine 2000 LTC a day before everyone knew about GPU mining... people had 500k LTC.. and 100k was common place... didn't hear anyone complaining then...

Everyone ignore the trolls.. they are just jealous because they didn't get a chance to mine some NVC the first days when most of them were told about it... and they just said "NVC.. what's that?" had a laugh about it.. and went on about their lives... Until they saw it exchanging on BTC-e.. then all of a sudden they wanted some NVC and it was too late to mine a bunch.. Suddenly it's a problem... and BTC-e is a scam...

Also, don't forget.. LTC biggest exchange is BTC-e... they are located in Russia..  now who do you think buys the majority of LTC... Americans?? Think again... You guys think that you are the whole LTC community... but i feel you guys are trapped in your little bubble world... you are very few... i see 1000 people online on BTC-e... and never see more than 50 different people in this english LTC community... So who do you think will mine/buy all the NVC??  ;)

Jay1337

laughingbear, dstruct2k
Here that envy does with people :)
I sympathize with your pain, you are treated.

Fuck the "foundation". The community discussions that have taken place are simply to help all the people that support the coin have a unified voice. Nobody is the "leader", and nobody will ever be accepted as such. The only reason the name "foundation" ever came into existence is because of small-minded individuals that can't understand how unifying our efforts to expand the coin works.

Back on topic: I mined a fair amount of NVC in the first few days, but knowing that the exchange was bribed into adding the coin, followed by this "downtime", has me VERY suspicious of their motives.

Somebody offers you a transparent service to trade something with others.. this is a scam how?  

When BTC-e devs worked for MMMCoin I didn't see all this fuss here.  

Really, if you don't want any don't buy them.  

Keep up the good work BTC-e support - -

I doubt any of the LTC community has anything to do with this, as it's happened to LTC in the past.  My guess is someone wants to take control of the NovaCoin chain, which is what happened with LTC before too. The intention is not to fork the chain but get as much nvc as possible while no one else has it or can figure out the value.   Ddos attacks are cheap I'm told, so if you have a massive farm it makes sense finacially (but not legally...).

What I have a problem with is that balthazar and btce told no one about their premine until I dumped and looked at the blockchain and then made a post here.

A "transparent service" doesn't accept bribes.

First, this guy is associated with btc-e, if I am not mistaken.
 Second, your only defence is that we are all just "jealous" that we weren't in on the scam from the start?  If that is your only argument, you only prove me correct.  You are also leaving out the part where the dev bribed the most popular alt coin exchange to feature the coin.

Every server I ever had in the past 15 years had a direct terminal.


Why do you want 1/2 as much time as they gave us the first time. :faceplant:


Do us all a favor and be suspicious quietly, hotshot.

What i (personaly) blame is that there are 10-20 persons that heavily invested in LTC hope-ing in some magic that would pump the price up and right now are losing money, and thats the reason for all that anger. <- My point of view.

I have nothing with LTC, i love it, as i love all the coins that made/make me some profit, but there shouldnt only be 10-20 persons holding most of the ltc's...

 :)


edit:


So, that means that everyone who owns an exchange cannot try to develop a coin, or cannot have a mod in there that developed a coin... Interesting... Insta-scammer if he does, by this logic right? Let me ask you, what IF you owned btc-e, and some time one of your mods made a coin? Wouldnt you put it there up for trade? Would you be a scammer for doing so?

For the record, I did not invest anything in NVC, I saw it as crap from the start.  My problem is that if BTC-E is willing to take bribes, and manipulate currency, then they cant be trusted at all.

Exactly what is 100k coins that BTC-e would want to tarnish their reputation? Seems fishy to me.

They should walked away from NVC. They making enough money on all the other crypto trades.

It is called GREED.

I am only associated with BTC-e because i am a mod. Just like Balthazar, Abbeytim and Bettor. The only difference is that i have no close relationship with the owners of the BTC-e. I was offered the job of moderator... I am from Canada.. basically i just ban people from chat for breaking the rules... I can count the times i've talked to BTC-e administration. Basically i'm saying that people are jealous because they didn't get to mine a bunch of NVC the first days.. which is what a lot people did... you could have mined something like 10k or more, the first days.. depending on your speed..

+1...yup sounds like a scam to me if that is the case TacoTime.

I never mined any of the crap coin or talked to anyone more than a couple sentences translated through Google. I never spoke of or bought the crap coin. And I sure never tried to tell them how to run their business, onsite or anywhere else. I have never received even a reduced fee or anything else from them either.



EDIT: Added I have no money interest in NVC or Btc-e whatsoever.
EDIT: WHAT? No timestamp on edits here? I wonder why it's a trollhole?

FYI  100,000 coins at current market value on btc-e = 640.00 BTC

640 BTC = 16640.00 USD

Yeah, WTF was I worried about?

Imaginary convo with smoothie:

Me: I farted.
Smoothie: ITS A SCAM!!

no offense, i like you but...

yeah it's ONLY $16,000 USD right?

no biggie...just mine the fuck out of NVC over 3 days and make $16k....LOL

Why you dont bitch about other members coin holdings? I dont see an 100k sell order on btc-e, and by the way, they deserve it. Please read my previous post too.

cough..bullsi..cough

I started mining with  4 5x7970rigs (9.3mh) a few hours after the coin showed up on coinotron for 24 hours.  I have less then 250 nvc.

You only made a bunch if you mined before then....  without getting exact, i think i started mining on the 5th day of the coins life.   when coinotron was at 45hm and diff was at 4.1

so, no you could not mine 10k unless had a huge farm......  or mined in the first 2 days

Because the other members didnt receive their coins as a BRIBE.

Actually, the first day it was announced i was mining about 150 NVC per hour...(solo) with just 700kh/s.. then everyone found out about it.. and the difficulty skyrocketed..

It's because the diff changes per block.. you must have come two hours too late.. ;)

Two hours to NVC.. is like two weeks with LTC, difficulty wise ;)

I like litecoin, have no problem with NVC itself, liked btc-e, and strongly dislike ddos.

but I do have problem with btc-e's handling on NVC and its launching process. Price/orders/hash rates all suggest that the launch of NVC was done at the expense of LTC community, at least partially.

Remember, as an anonymous exchange, customers have no recourse to recover the loss if SHTF, and they can only judge them by their behavior. Confidence is everything.

Let's not completely lose sight of reality here... We all know that if the LTC hashrate increased by such a factor, the retarget period would roll around in about a day, probably less. If it continued increasing at the same rate...it will would happen again.


You're all kind of focused on the wrong subject. The real problem is the basic design. I don't think I need to explain the various interesting decisions made in the design of PPC and NVC. Those that are relevant to this specific area of discussion already know what these 'features' are.

Let's just say: highly experimental, asking for abuse and causing significant problems. It deserves to be experimented with, but it should also be marked with a bold "experimental" disclaimer.

Anyways, who knows what btc-e does? None of us. Don't keep a ton of money there (or any place that you do not control!) and use the disappearing walls (found on most trade pairs) to your advantage. That said, I am displeased with the lack of research into this coin by both BTC-e and Balthazar.  

Just felt like i MUST quote myself

so, you are saying that they do not deserve to be payed by some way right??

They earn money through fees...Pretty simple concept that most exchanges follow.

Hey Dumbass,

They charge 0.2% on each side of a trade...so that is 0.4% per trade.

So yes they are being paid, Genius.

LOL  :D :D :D

https://i.imgur.com/xblF4.gif

Interesting times

k, i stop here.. trolls won

If idiots could fly, this place would be an airport.

You mean the place you just took off? 
 ;D ;D;D

Just a wild speculation: did they sell short LTC and now have difficulty meeting withdrawal requests?

It's always puzzling to see those 1M+ LTC sell orders because it would be stupid to do so if someone really wants to sell. Can't think of a better purpose other than discouraging a short squeeze or a "bank run".

Again, it's just a speculation. Anyway I believe btc-e was ddos'd before, so they should be back soon.

their proportion will decrease with time

This post is THEE winner of the whole thread imo.

Fair enough..  but some people would refer to this as advertisement.  These aren't police or politicians.   If you paid google they would put an ad for cosbycoin.   

Anyway, I'm waiting for the Dmitri video to come out.      

Lol... in the meantime all this happens LTC hashrate goes up, so guess who is behind those ddos'es and all those threads  8)
Is it the 10-20 persons that hold most of the litecoins? No? They must have been ultra pissed that their investment didnt go up, but also scared. Now i really hope that nvc was a joke, for those persons to reveal what they are. If now nvc vanishes, ltc too will drop bellow zero.

Right a negative price lol...you are a retard lol...but you make me laugh so you're okay with me  :D

Using the same tools to mine NVC and LTC impacts the hashrate on both networks. I can understand the coin hoppers going for the best profitability with minimum configuration changes. In fact, it impacts all networks (BTC, TRC etc) to a lesser extend since the same GPUs are used to mine scrypt, but the configuration changes are not "instant" simple.

If the only NVC exchange goes down, it's not profitable anymore to mine it. However, you can still mine LTC and dump it on Vircurex or somewhere else. With the LTC/NVC rigs, you can't do too much when your avg hashrate is pretty low.

I guess you're thinking too much ..

I got 500 coins with 2 mh/s within the first 16 hours after release of binaries

scammity scammy

It's a scam for sure.

I got banned and censored on BTC-e chat for bringing up the centralization/checkpointing facts about NVC and that 110k premine NVC was sent to BTC-e.

Fucking scam seriously....pisses me off.

Interesting. You keep mentioning this "10-20 persons" holding most ltc, how did you figure it out, can you share with us? how about people holding btc?

Other than some kind of insider connection w/ btc-e, I can't think of a way to find that information.

If they do exist, how did they get their coins? pre-mining? accepting as bribes? stealing?

If none above, why is that bothering you? If someone mortgaged his house and invested in LTC, he's either a genius or an idiot, only market has the right to reward or punish him,  nobody else should be upset about it.

But using market participants' trust to manipulate the market is simply wrong.

Lol now im a btc-e insider eh? Shame we dont have a facepalm emoticon here...

Look around you, look on the litecoin forum the most active users, look on this forum how many threads smoothie started ONLY today (dont forget he has a contract with 420 to buy 700$ worth ltc)
I am only some months here on the forums and on btc-e chat, and only from this info i got to that conclusion, i do not have the right to have my own opinion? :)


Other than that, nobody can access btc-e, and on the other thread they keep saying "they banned me too" "they censored me too" "i just removed my funds from there"... How the hell? if it isnt to scare the ppl off why is that? I keep asking and asking how to access their chat (by the possibility of there is another link only to the chat) but no reply..

Let me see if I got you right: you came to the conclusion that "10~20 persons" holding most of the LTCs by counting the most active forum users?  :o

wow, genius.

Godwin in 12 posts.  That escalated quickly!   ;D

BTW the fascist Nazis like commie Stalin just fine when they were dividing up Poland, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

Birds of a centralized authoritarian feather flock together.

The Fabian Zionist backed red-brown alliance never ended, and its NWO goals are coming to fruition in the US and Europe with increasing rapidity.

Unless Bitcoin...

This make me conclude that the LTC is quite manipulated by some party. Maybe someone with botnet is really into LTC and hate NVC.
Why? Because NVC is in strong nature, right? Haha, very interesting. ;D

Have fun in this year. It wil be a drama!

site is still down ？ ???

 ::)

dont forget he has a contract with 420 to buy 700$ worth ltc

Seriously?  $700 amounts to chump-change.  I personally traded out of that much this week just because I happened to have that much and decided the trend had moved away from LTC as a viable "Bitpenny" proposition (I still think we need one, but LTC has failed for a variety of reasons).  I have no interest or investment in the BS politics of the whole "scene".
 
People don't scam for $700.  Now if you know of someone going for $700M... Or even $700k worth - Let us know - Until then, just noise in the background.

Or because someone doesn't want others to mine- or to allow others to withdraw the coins they already mined. Leaving only their coins to sell.

I don't see who mentioned or cared about that in here

I did, and its not for the amount, but i told about it to give a reason for his bitch-ing
nvm, i dont care anymore im out of all this ;D


EDIT: and never said that smoothie tries to scam anyone

If it's chump-change, please send me $700 worth of coins to either of my addresses:

LTC: LRgbgTa3XNQSEUhnwC6Ye2vjiCV2CNRpib
BTC: 1AGP6xPTRvsAVhsRsBX13NUH6p6LJjyeiA
NVC: 4VbimrRURaCdstXZLYTwAQnnrSsXGV7Wfn

If it's chump-change, please send me $700 worth of coins to either of my addresses

Uh, yeah, metaphor?  Learn it.

Sure, $700 in LTC starts to get into what we might consider "real" money.  But trying to imply that some elite group of scammers controls the currency because of such a small transaction just doesn't hold water - Unless, of course, you consider me one of "them".   ::)
 
In which case... Mwa-hahaha!  Grovel before me, peon, and perhaps I'll toss you a TRC or two for fetching my slippers!   ;)

to stay on the original topic:

coinotron should be back monday/tuesday

i believe BTC-E is under ddos again - can anybody confirm problems ?

has worked for me all day i mean the last 14 hours that ive been up

It's not DDoS, it's CloudFlare problem.

https://twitter.com/CloudFlare/status/308157556113698816