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I think it might be relevant at this point to ask who is the owner of BTC-E.

Frequent users will remember that maybe a week or two ago things seemed to be changing in terms of DEV, in particular there was a day (that I don't recall happening previously) where there was DEV, ADMIN, SUPPORT and CEO online (as well as simulatenously a record ~400 users and ~600 guests). I personally don't ever remember a CEO previously.

Is it possible that BTC-E has changed ownership? And now belongs to some other entity that perhaps now has different plans for the exchange?

I have posted this several times, and the owner has already been found to be a scammer

http://imfed.org/ratings/btc-e-unknown-company/

Look to the bottom of the page and it lays out how the owner Dmitri Svetleichi has already been linked to a scam from the website perfect-cargo.net

http://netscammers.blogspot.de/2011/07/perfect-cargonet-selling-your-dead-sons.html

Great i liked BTC-E  :(

BTC-E.com is DOWN.

is anyone getting this?

I'm sorry but I think I'm now panicking.
What happened anyway?!

Curious

Both BTC-e and Coinotron were down yesterday due to DDOS attacks. I presume the same is still true as both site are down but BTC-e does manage to come up for air once in a while.

Anyway I think it best not to leave any coins on their exchange. Especially if their user base is dropping, they might decide to cut and run if they are or have been scammers.

Hello. Can you elaborate why you jump into conclusion that Dmitri Svetleichi which you assume is the owner of btc-e is a scammer? I'm not affiliated with btc-e in any way but to me there are too much panic being spread around the board about btc-e being scammy with zero proof. Once again, I'm not 100% sure they are not neither I'm going to vouch for them but you're telling that for what reason exactly? And yes, I've read 2 posts you linked, I see nothing explicit in them for anyone to believe btc-e is a scam exchange.

CrazyRabbit  No, there were 3 listed under the webchat for quite awhile now. CEO was first noticed when the ruc client, which has chat built in, showed a list of all users but who knows how long "he" was there before that. Also, support told us he was two of the users. I forget who was the other. Also, I'm lost since you were just "the resident scammer" last month :p According to some of these same accusers. What gives?


Laughingbear  Look at that site closely, search for other btc sites. You'll see it is an anti-bitcoin site. [Unknown Company] means they don't know the parent.



Something isn't adding up to me, anyone would do good to check the angles. Some say BTC user, others LTC user. Someone wanting to build a new exchange is my favorite.

I can see the newer guys being suspicious, so you should research yourselves. Don't trust anyone to tell the truth here. Check for the HEAPS of praise mounded on btce after "the hack", it was said they handled their hack attack better than any other in btc history at the time.

Over the past few months, every coin btce mentioned adding was met with total craziness from users. Maybe they disregarded us and concentrated on the Russians who wanted a new coin, we didn't want no stinking coin remember? Maybe that's why "our chat" heard of NVC late.

EDIT: readability EDITED again, thanks Rabbit for posting while I was :p

I would like to share here the btc-e users list i got from inside the rucoin client.

Cyan = mods
Green= users
Gray = dev
Red  = support

Its kinda offtopic, but also kinda ontopic  ;)

EDIT: Forgot the link: http://www.rucoin.us/btceusers.png

How does the quote go? "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villan?"

Once you're around long enough on the forum you'll always find yourself on one side or another. I think when you were around I think they were calling me a scammer because I am into TRC. I think perhaps some people will realise that me pushing TRC is nothing like NVC.

Anyway, we all go back and forth. I don't think anyone honestly (or at least provably) can call me a scammer.

Not sure why people are panicking...Btc-e are not going to be disappearing any time soon. They are the third most popular bitcoin exchange, and the first most popular litecoin exchange. They're not going to throw that away. I do hope they remove novacoin from the front page of their site though. People are pissed about it, and I think rightly so. Coins should be added to the exchanges in the order of their popularity, no queue jumping.

A correction here. Cyan colored users might indicate high coin volume.
(and after i posted that my rucoin client cannot see the chat at all, but it might be my pc fault)

Well I think I let you know how ridiculous I thought it was.

Yes, I remember! I think I've been one-upped by NVC now though. :-)

Whoever the owners are the only thing they are really required to do is provide smooth, fair and transparent services to their users.
It's up to them to decide what to add and what to remove. It's their service and no one has the right to say that they "should" remove NVC.
They added NVC. It's done. Just stop complaining and trade in pairs you want.

+1

Here you can see that this man has more than one address. conformable with known addresses. Based on this information, I can conclude that this person has shown some cybersquatter-activity  8)

But that does not mean that Bitcoin - scam? This is just speculation.  :-\

http://imfed.org/ratings/btc-e-unknown-company/

p\s
https://btc-e.com/ is real adress

It looks like cybersquatting.
FYI there if no Sobachkina Street in Pushkino, Moscow.

And if anyone tried goodling it...
This information is used in templates/examples for domain registration applications.
http://www.plus.ru/f.txt
http://domain.perm.ru/org_t.txt
http://w3.redcom.ru/form_for_ru.html
and so on.
So that's not a proof.

That's right. It made me wonder about laughingbear post, calling a person or service being a scam simply because whois info was filled with random data taken from the internet and accidentally happened to partially match one with some fraudulent escrow service. I mean it's just silly implying that scammers would put their real address in whois service at the first place or maybe I didn't get the meaning of his post at all. Phone nr is obviously fictuous too - +7 495 1234567. I have no idea how one can see relation with the Romanian scammers here.

Ill go through it one more time.

whois btc-e.com
http://whois.domaintools.com/btc-e.com

Domain name:             BTC-E.COM
Name Server:             brad.ns.cloudflare.com
Name Server:             gail.ns.cloudflare.com
Creation Date:           2011.06.17
Updated Date:            2013.02.14
Expiration Date:         2013.06.17
Registrant ID:           YLNB25U-RU
Registrant Name:         Svetleichi Dmitri
Registrant Organization: Svetleichi Dmitri
Registrant Street1:      13a, Sobachkina str.
Registrant City:         Pushkino
Registrant Postal Code:  854785


NOW... taking that information check out http://imfed.org/ratings/btc-e-unknown-company/  and READ

The following line is from the website!

The street address “13a Sobachkina str.” has been used by a “fake shipping and escrow company run by Romanian scammers”, according to a blogpost and this site.

If you still dont get this, then I dont know what to tell you...  and if that IS a fake address. That makes it even more likely that he was the owner of "perfect-cargo.net" the scam site in question.
http://netscammers.blogspot.de/2011/07/perfect-cargonet-selling-your-dead-sons.html

I think you've gone crazy, there's no way that Simran is a mod.

thats why i corrected it afterwards
what i meant on my correction was that users that might have a high coin volume might have a different tag and thats why they are cyan(blue) on there

No, it doesn't make sense. This address doesn't prove anything. It's an exemplary address and could be used by anyone applying a domain registration request. Registrars in Russia don't check...

Well, it's absolutely obvious that address in whois is fake, that's not a big deal. I don't put my real identity information in whois records either, that doesn't make me scammer just because of that. Besides that it matches only partially (postcodes do not match). “13a Sobachkina str.” is like John Doe you'd see in context of fill out form templates but in regards to customer's address.  This is coming from the example templates about how to fill in domain registration forms as stated in RoadTrain post above. They could be found at domain.perm.ru/org_t.txt or w3.redcom.ru/form_for_ru.html or here within a .doc file www.b2bnext.ru/files/flib/36.doc (many more you can find searching web for 13a Sobachkina str.).
Your statement is btc-e uses fictuous whois data means btc-e are scammers which I don't think makes any sense.

New member Roadtrain with a postcount of 10, most of them btc-e defending posts.... THINK

1: yes, it could be a fake address. buy WHY would you trust someone with SO MUCH MONEY who uses a fake phone and address?

2: If you are going to use a fake address, WHAT A COINCIDENCE, that he randomly picked the same fake address that the scammers used in the "perfect-cargo.net" scam?

 

Dude. It's the Russian version of "123 Any St". Give it a bloody rest.

dont use their service then and problem solved

1: Well, first of all thanks for the original links, they're helpful as a reference. But what I didn't like is that they can't be used as an evidence (well, besides the evidence that whois info is fake), thus you don't have to jump into conclusion that btc-e is a scam. There's a high risk if you use an exchange with the owners being anonymous, you're right. I guess those operating with a large amounts of money choose mtgox to a large degree because of that (apart from they're older, trade large volumes, e.t.c. e.t.c.). But unlike mtgox btc-e allows (I believe, at least I had no issues with that) their customers to stay anonymous too. So at the very end you had to choose what's your top priority and use service which suit you best.

2: I have explained that in the post above. If some other address had been used that would be unlikely. But what are chances of 2 various people to use Joe Doe as a username in domain registration info? I can bet you can find much more than 2 domains with first name Joe and second being Doe.

I see now that I may have been mistaken in drawing a connection between btc-e and this scam site.  This apparently is a generic address that is commonly used.  I had no idea.  I assumed that a business that holds such a large amount of other peoples money, would have at least some real contact info.

Sad but doing bussiness in Russia is a bit different than in western countries. You shouldn't be surprised. Maybe at some point they will register a company in Belize or Caribbean, if you know what I mean  ;)

What about my posts. I've been a passive reader for some time. Just got bored with all this shit being thrown at the site I really like. Ordinary story.

I live in Russia. Indeed, no one would dream of such a company registered in his real name. This is dangerous. Registering the company in a false name, to protect your money. Government can steal the money.. And not vice versa. In this way they take care of your safety (safety of your finances). Only trust. Relationship on trust.  I'm not sure, but I think that they have a server in the offshore. This must be really anonymous exchange.
Edit
And yes, the address - this is a pattern. They simply leave the information as a sample of the proposed forms filling.

This is the thread that needs to be active. ^ Interesting POV that most here cannot provide.

No one in Russia register with a real phone and address dude, actually most people in the US don't do that either, I have 20 domains and all of them protected with privacy guard with a fake address pointing to my registrar. Registering with a real phone and address is asking for being scammed/spammed to death.

Also BTC-E is operating a semi-illegal exchange, or at least a legal grey area exchange, since they don't do AML verification. So why would they want to post their real phone and address.

Update:
They do KYC/AML now for wire transfers.
The receiving address is registered with mayzus financial ltd which itself
is registered with the fsa in uk.

Disclaimer: I am not registered. I tested the support, and Russian is pretty much
a requirement to work things out, I believe.

Thank you so much for this!
$2000 recently stolen by BTC-E selectively scamming those around the world!

I will be corresponding with others to create a website domain to show the flaws of BTC-E and their fraudulent activities!

BTC-E is like walking into a bar that has a gambling ring in the back run by the Russian mafia. I mean you're probably gonna be okay.. but it's a kinda shady place.

Can you elaborate further on this?

Are you suggesting BTC-E itself is randomly stealing money from its users ot keep a low profile?

If so what's the scam part, that is why wouldn't this just be a theft?

edit:
I just found your own thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345576.msg3704623#msg3704623) among others messages, I'm continuing discussion there.

I own it now what's the problem ?

i purchased it with QRK -


seriously , ahh its an exchange if the quality goes down - vote that way - if it stays as the rock solid exchange its been so far - continue -

i mean - Whack a mole comes to mind if you are trying to discredit exchanges in crypto these days BTC38 does more trans now - and its only a matter of time before lots of others to all fiat pop up - all over the world -

so ah , what to do about that ?

send Drones ?

ah i forgot - Russian Tech

: D

I (another unfortunate BTC-E client) made a withdrawal of 3.35 BTC from BTC-E on 11/23. The amount was removed from my BTC-E balance (now at zero) but the transaction never appeared on the blockchain, i.e. money is gone. Attempts to contact support have been futile (3 attempts). The matter remains unresolved.

So yes, BTC-E is without doubt stealing funds from users.

At today's exchange rate 3.35 BTC equals USD 3,350.

I can only strongly recommend everyone to avoid the risk and not deal with BTC-E. Its an anonymous Russian(?) exchange that steal funds from customer accounts with impunity.

UPDATE My issue was finally resolved through their ticketing system after two more support tickets and a PM to btce-e.com user on this forum. Although I'm happy to see my funds returned, the wait was unacceptable (2 weeks).

Hello, write the ticket number.

Probably there was no problem.

That settles it.

Much safer to stick with Bitstamp.

so whats to be done with regards to 'trapped' coins??

'confirmation mails' are never received

support mails are repetative garbage- (check account, check junk folder, re-send email)  

ALL BULLSHIT!

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russian mafia ofcourse where have you been?

BTC-e just locked my account with 711 LTC in it worth 25k. They are refusing to answer support tickets and have stolen my coins. Don't use this site. Beware

Dude, look at the date on this thread. It may be worth it to make a new thread rather than necro old posts. Sorry about your coins though.

Good luck!!

i spent 4 months chasing coins.

they eventually released but christmas was shit that year.