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Would it be possible to rent bitcointalk accounts out to users wishing to participate in signature campaigns? I'd just like to know the practicality of one of my crazy ideas. Just a little FYI, I was considering buying an account and trying to profit from signature campaigns but found the price too high. So I was wondering if other people encounter the same issue and perhaps would want a place to "rent" an account from. Thanks for reading and responding!

 can hire user signatures space bt it will come the sae or more but u will get a lots of posts with it so a good idea I say

i would suggest you, dont do that. if the user who rent one of your account use it for sketchy behavior then your account will only get red mark and it would be a loss for you.

I thought about that, so I guess I would still need some form of collateral, like with all "loans"

Very high risk. Rent an account to strangers isn't safe. They can try to scam people or other illegal thing... They can spam on forum too and your account won't be allowed on signature campaigns anymore.

Just do it if you have a friend that you really trust.

You don't rent account or buy account if you wanna joint to signature campaign only, because the manager of signature campaign will know about quality of post. And you just get rejecting by admin of signature campaign. You should learn more about bitcoin and other currencies. There is no fast way to make money via bitcoin. You must be patient and keep watching this forum for update news about bitcoin. Good luck

I mean obviously I would only rent to users with decent post quality or have valid collateral.

a good idea, but we have to think about the risk that your account could be misused to become a scammer

Again any red trust received would result in a significant reduction of the amount of collateral returned.

To be honest, I would highly recommend against renting out accounts, just follow the norm and rent signature space/avatars or don't really rent at all. Unless you have a bunch of accounts you picked up for cheap, it isn't worth the risk.

You might have collateral, but some people put a lot of effort into ruining someone's job or way to make money, and some might be more than willing to give you collateral in exchange for wrecking an account.

In perfect circumstances it would be nice idea to be able to rent account. But I am afraid that the cons of such solution definitely outweigh the pros.
My first and biggest fear is that account you re lending to someone could be banned during that time. What will you do if that happen?

If I make the collateral a fair selling price, I wouldn't be mad...
Again my take on this is you break it you buy it. So I will clearly list the consequences of causing any harm to my accounts, and the renter and escrow will have to agree to it before a trade can take place.


I'm not trying to put your feedback down, it's just that I might still go ahead and try it.

I guess if collateral will be deposited and both owner of the account and person who want to to borrow it, agree on it - then it is ok.
But now imagine situation when owner of an account - after lending period is over - feels disappointed and thinks that post quality of his account dropped?
And he demands a portion of collateral money for his supposed loss?

I doubt someone will trust you. If you've got a friend in here that has an old account or smth, try borrowing that. But I suppose you don't have that choice available.

I suggest that you take out some dollars out of your pocket and buy an account here instead of renting it.

To be fair with you, mate, I looked at your posts and 50% were one liner and the other 50% were good ones. Some campaign manager don't like it when they see one liner posts in their member and just kick them out.

Nevertheless, I hope you find someone who is lazy enough to post in this forum and is willing to lend you his/her account. :D

Hmm. I guess we could go off the evaluation of the price estimator...

I don't think it would be a good Idea. you can rent an account. but how?
for example if I want to rent my account. then what will be the process.. I have to give you account password which is not a good thing. trusting on a newbie is like impossible here..

1: You change your password to something impersonal
2: You entrust the new password to an escrow
3: Escrow gives new password to me
4: If I change password, deal is off, you keep collateral

I'd thought of this before. I had almost 10 alts that I had gathered over the months from trading, which I had no use for. So I tried it and my account got negative repped. Don't trade with people you don't trust.

Did you get collateral from it?

I'm not sure there is any green trusted one who want to be the escrow for this kind of transaction. Imo most moderators here will give extra attention at this service. If the price value of collateral is quite high, then I guess no one would try this service and prefer using his money to buy an account.

Is it disallowed, or are the moderators just keeping things in check?

I'm not sure, there is no clear explanation about this, because it's a new idea. But imo, it could be a way for scammers to do scamming again by renting your account after their old accounts got red trust. This discussion should be brought to reputation or meta board to get more explanation.

it is not disallowed I think, if some one want to give his account to some one else this is 100% his own call, but that someone should select a trusted person. must be from family or friend. because you can't trust anyone in this forum.

about a year ago i have seen one person do this, he used to rent his account for others to post on signature campaigns and he gave them a percent.

but there are a lot of problems with this, you have to give them your account which they may not give it back or even they might spam and get your account banned.

yes. we can't consider this work as a risk free. better to avoid this don't rent your account and work your self for your accounts. I think a signature campaign require 5 to 8 post a day. and reaching the limit is not a big deal for anyone. so no need to rent account.

That would be possible if someone have multiple accounts and keeping them on hibernation mode.

But at the same time, there would be a problem for the account owner.

When you're renting from him, you might not be that careful with the account and just spam everywhere or scam people or just scam the account owner itself by selling the account to someone else and not returning to the owner?  (Silly thoughts you know) ;D

I remember that, but at that time the OP didn't mean to rent his account. He just wanted to pay some users to make him few posts as he was being busy with his other business. By renting account, the renter could do anything he want, not just join any signature campaign. He could borrow money by that account without telling the true owner, even making the account become a collateral for the loan.

When a person is able to pay a colleadral, why not he will buy an account to own.

There are lot of new signature campaigns also keep on coming, so finding a slot not a problem.
Also, there are many people who are selling campaign enrolled accounts also.

I do not foresee any long term possibility of success for this idea.

i think the renting out should  n0t be initiated in the first place because this will be a cheaper way of buying an account probably collateral wont be matched up as this is a new thing

I mean I asked a similar question on another thread: When a person is able to pay collateral, why take out a loan?

1) He thinks the object's value may rise in some time
2) He doesn't want to sell it, merely provide it as collateral and take it back when the loan is paid out. Might be because the collateral has a higher value than the loan
3) Some sentimental value
The list goes on

But aren't these also valid reasons not to buy an account, but rent it?

Some things to consider, 1.) you might get some people to sign up but when they see they can just have thier own account without you taking a cut they will leave. 2.)they might just steal your account 3.) they might make poor posts and the account could be devalued. 4.) they might take out loans 5.) they might get banned for spam. 6.) sig campaigns are in low supply right now.

Overall there are better things to do in bitcoin world.

It is highly risky idea. The only option which is safe is that you give it to your friend or relative as you will have full trust on those people.

I would still suggest stay from from this idea.  ;)

Heh, crazy idea! :) I can rent you my account if you want :) (joke)
You can buy account in "auction" section or on market in "goods" -> "digital goods" section.. just be carefull with scammers - never go first!

I think this idea won't work because the tenants of your account may not treat it as an asset and get it banned or red trusted in the process if they decide to spam to get more money from signature campaigns. Plus there is a vigilante police going on on the forum that will give you  feedback the moment you try to change hands of the account. Or people could take out loans in your name and give the account as collateral which would be very bad.

Just save enough coins so you can buy yourself your own account. Renting is not a really good option since like thwy said, the account could be misused and te name of the real owner is the one who is at risk. If someone rents an account and it gets banned because of insubstantial posting, all your accounts will gwt a ban because all were connecte from the same IP so no. Don't even try.

That only makes sense when you rent out to a user you really trust. Otherwise he might vanish with your account and reclaiming it through theymos takes a long time and sometimes even longer.

Besides that... he can ruin the account. Bad reputation, forum bans, signature bans.

How would one ensure that the account would be returned at the end of the agreed period? Escrow?

Renting accounts can be dangerous specially if the one who uses the accounts mis managed it and
use for spam purpose.

Have you tried renting the accounts yourself ?

i think its not a good idea...person can misuse it in many ways...any negative trust and all hard work for the account holder will be in vain

I agree especially if you rent it and you didnt tell very exact rules because i once rented an account and i bended the rules, i copied pasted then and only one liners because it was what i was seeing at off topic, i even vist foreign language and used translator. LOLs.

It may be good as long as the split is good and the alt user knows what he is doing.

how it does protect owner?
If you give you account's password to someone else they can change login details and if you give them to access to account then user can use the account for scam and get it negged or if he spam then account can banned.
there is no protection for owner

I think a bad idea, this forum has a lot of useful information and you can learn a lot, you should not create account just because you want to make money with signature



because by doing so you will post just because you want money and not because they give the opinion or because you want to contribute with something


Look at the forum as a place to learn something

This might work if you make them pay a %of their earnings to you.

Exactly!
Price accounts for many may be too high, but if account has a good history can easily be used to scam others or even take loans .. and bye bye your account is burned!

What you could do is asking for a deposit if the account is used to scam the deposit and only refund it after 30 days to make sure the account was not used to scam anyone.

Why would anyone give a deposit? He can buy for that amount his own account. If deposit will be too low, risk still is on you..

Sorry it was wrong thread.

I mean you could fix that w/ a couple people doing neutral tags to let everyone know it was being rented.

There could also be the issue of people faking an account being rented and therefore shifting blame off themselves.

The whole purpose of an account is to use it for signature campaigns, and with that tag system you propose there is no way that signature campaign manager will accept account like that.
Because there is not telling how exactly post quality will change with the new temporary owner of an account. So I feel it is  totally counterproductive.

It is possible to rent bitcointalk accounts out to trusted users   :)

Totally a crazy idea, given that the borrower of the account could do negative things with your account that could potentially leave you with a negative trust. Even buying forum accounts is not endorsed or even encouraged. Also, if the borrower of the account found out that the email you used in signing up in this site is not even registered, he/she might take it up and change your password. Bye-bye forum account.

Wont work long term and you put effort into something which is a flash in the pan.

Basically, it is possible. As long as it is allowed to sell Bitcointalk accounts. The main problem would be to get the account back when lending time is over. Of course you could lend it for a high rate but I doubt that you then would find someone for lending. Because it would be cheaper to buy a potential account and develop it.

They might or might not pay you percetage once they get the account, but obviously they wouldn't be that much bothered about the rules or be careful with the account because they don't own it or they didn't put efforts for that account to reach that rank.

Renting accounts and surely the main purpose of it is to get profit from signature campaigns.

This is very risky just like getting a collateral loan you are risking your account. If the person rented your account did something crazy then good luck to your account.

But when you give your account as collateral usually lender is trusted user, so risk is almost zero..

Not really.Not every lender is a trusted user.Giving your account to the lender involves a risk of him checking your private messages and maybe access your sensible data ,that's why trusted escrow is used.

Who knows weather the lender will simply sell the account for a much higher price than the loan amount.

That's what I'm saying even though there is a collateral you can't say that your lender/renter is trusted.
You wouldn't know what he can do to your account.

Ok. I can take explanation that lender will have access to your sensible data, but if you select trusted lender, risk of default is very low. This can not be compared to renting an account.

That the most issues in Renting or lending accounts. You never know if the Renter, may take loan from your account or start Scam Service which may ruin the trust of your account.

Don't thik any rented account will hold it's trust much long ::)

Possible but it could go wrong, that person could end up taking out loans in your name or simply destroying your account that you've kept going for all this time.

Bad idea i think if you just looking for a people to use your account there a possibility to sell it or they can use it to scam people here in our forum.. so  better to hold your account and sell..

I also think that Renting or lending account is not secured at all.

The lender can make scam Services or take loans with intentions of not returning it back.
So i recommend is that either you rent it to your closest friends, whom you have full faith or sale the account is it not required by you. Renting to wrong person can bring Red trust to your account if he does anything fishy with your account.

I've tested this idea, and it possible & secure.

I have a blue print of what should be possible, for this sort of service (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1498598.0)

Why the hell did you bump this old thread dude? Last reply was from you on May 13th and you bump it today June 4! No one even made a single post in here after your post provably because comments are just repeatedly being posted. This thread has no sense anymore.

Renting accounts is not secure amd there is no way to secure this unless the person you will allow to rent your account is someone that you personally know and trust. Allowing other people to use your account is same as giving them the rights to use your name in fraud.

Its not very good idea since mod discourage to have multiple accounts and for renting accounts to make money in sigs?  Well thats very awfull idea men and its very risky for you to lose and account aswell as you will get red trust or even worst ban envasion will be happen,  although  theirs no rules in this furom that not allowing to do buy and sell some accounts and for making it as sig joining business is not good men really,

Renting account is not secure, that's if the person you're renting to has any of the credentials (username/password). In our case, the sig campaign users wouldn't have any access to credential to use accounts. Instead, they would be given permissions (extended by our server), sort of like android permissions.

They would be given permission to:
Edit sigs, pics, and profile text. That's it.

If you have the developer mindset you will understand this: Read more information here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1498598.0)

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It depends on how you think about renting accounts.

Is it for sigs and earning money automated, without having to worry about sigs anymore, were access is not given to users(which is 99% secure, which we could provide)

or would it be to other users (which is total unsafe/unsecure/risk, which we don't provide) where access is given to users

This is not a good decision for Renting accounts.there have a very high risk. They can spam on forum.Renting to wrong person can bring Red trust to your account and your account won't be allowed on signature campaigns anymore..so be patience and learn about bitcoin.

It is possible if the want to rent your account is trusted but if not thats a bad idea. He/She can scam you. And if that happen you can report his/her account but the accouny you waste is 0.01+. So my idea is what if the person want to rent is have deposit minimum 0.1 so that if they scam you its okay because you have funds 0.1.

There ae lots of cracks in this idea. renting account is just bullshit. the user who rent your account can take loan and default your account, and the worst thing the user can is staking a bitcoin address and proving his ownership of the account. if he do this, you'll loose your account for sure.

The possible problems you have mentioned here, could be prevented by close watching your rented accounts activity (like in lending section and in meta action activity). But instead of that, you can manage your own account for any profits you are expecting.

This is not good decision for renting accounts thats true if you dont know the person who rent your account so my suggestion is they have collateral atleast equal to the account that they rent so that if the account will scam, spam or change the password. If they do that you have their money that can pay their loans or to you account.

If you want somebody to rent your account . dont do that
Your account can be used in scamming or rude behavior that can cause red sign to your account

but if need providing some data , or it can be called secured . do you still wont rent your account ?

That's a bad idea. Your tenant may not return your account, which is why a security deposit is needed which comes with two-way trust issues. Plus as folks have pointed out your rented acct may get hit with -ve trust

I don't see how an escrow helps with the password issue.
I thought about this in the past, since I have like 3 Sr Member accounts that I don't use, in good standing. I only have to post with 1 account, so I thought some people could benefit from them. Some people can make good posts, but they don't get paid anything remarkable until you are Sr or above. If they rent it, they can start making profits and ROI in a reasonable time (so price would need to be cheaper than maximum monthly earnings in a decent paying sig campaing, otherwise they will not bother). The offer has to be attractive enough that it makes it better than starting an account from scratch.

But we still need to fix the password issue. I wish there was a way to lend an account, so other people can use it, but you are still in full control of the pass, in case something goes wrong.

Trully bad idea because anything can be happen to your account like it is be use to scam,lend and any other bad activities here in the furom and you might get chance that the account that you lend is get banned for spamming, and truly this is bad idea and post that i read here for renting account mod discourage it although they have no rules about it but they will do ban envasion if they see illegal activities of the account you lend and maybe your other alt well be joined to the banned envasion,

Yeah better to avoid this kind of service this is a very risky thing to do, that you will rent your account just for the sake of signature campaign?
Your name is also rented when your account is being rented by someone, not just your name but also the trust of people on this forum.

I don't like the rending idea either,buying an account is a much better option and i don't think that their price is so high you can get your money back in a few weeks especially if you join a high paying signature campaign.The only problem for me seems to be that you don't know the post's quality of the account you are going to buy and thats why i always suggest to build your own account,besides that you will use the nickname of your choice  ;D

You can check the post quality of the account your buying by asking the seller to provide the token and then you go to this website to check: http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/

So you can check there which is the section of the forum the user have made the majority of the post, check his rating on how good it is, if its good and above its worth it, if its very poor you have to do a lot of good job to bring it back to fair so not worth it.

Yes i know about this site but if i am not mistaken i think that you are able to see only the section of the forum the user has posted more and his/her rating as you said.But is it possible to see if someone posted crappy or spammy posts with a few words,smiles only,flamming etc. ?

Yes it is, if the rating of his posts in total as I already said is in Off topic, Politics and Society, Games and Round, Investor Based games, these kind of categories are considered very poor. The rating there is , very poor then poor, then fair, then good, then excellent. Good and excellent is worth to take the account, all other ratings you will have a lot of difficulties bringing them up to the good or excellent although this can be done but is very costly in time and effort. So remember if you wanna buy an account, post quality to be good or excellent and not below this.
However although buying accounts is allowed is strongly discouraged here. You can create a new account and build it from scratch, this is a more honest thing to do.

This is a very good idea IMO, and it's already been put into place right now for development I think by one person(can't recall who). But right now this remains as an idea and not an actual project.

Some things are not practical, because the account is always at risk throughout the renting process. How you can guarantee that the account does not get used to scam is a huge problem.

There is information about posts quality. If it is not enough, you can use this script:
http://www.bitcoinrates.in/bitcointalk/getactivity.php?token=14432136451e2a70b6bc
This one shows two statistics - words and chars.

this idea isn't good, because rent an account to strangers isn't safe, its very high risk.
I see many problems in the rent account, which is due to the loss account.
Just do it if you have a friend that you really trust.

Yeah definitely. If you can fix the password issue, then this idea would actually be practical and put into use. My idea would be that we could use an independent third party website to enter bitcointalk and post, without the user actually knowing the password of the account.

This problem though is really big since you're not dealing in person so the middleman carries all the risk.

It is an extremely bad idea to rent the accounts. and can result in ban of your accounts if mishandled. I think only that person will rent his account who is extremely  lazy  ;) and can even do 2 , 3 posts daily himself or maybe very busy indeed  ::) who dont have a 20 mins a day to post a few good quality posts.

Maybe he want to buy more accounts and join it to sig campaigns so he can make it us business, but really bad idea on the making here men since mod doesnt allowed or discourage this kind of doings since it can create spamming aswell as your all account might get compromize if the renter use it in bad ways and also high chance for that you will not get back Ops rented account.

I think it depends on case to case basis, if the borrower is trust worthy and the lender have a trust from the borrower.
It confused the hell out of me OP.
Good luck with that crazy idea of yours.  8)

Yeah its case to case basis and do you think trusable member of this furom will take this offer To post on his behalf? well thats a big no and the only one will surely take this offer is newbie people and knowing its so risky to do transaction with them it can make your account in trouble men,

Totally its crazy idea why dont OP do hardwork on hes own while its not advisable to do renting accounts here and if trustable person knows people doing it here your account will be mark or get red trust.

Well you need to consider that , but it is very hard to trust someone that you don't even know personally, because even the trusted person.
We don't know what they are thinking.
So it is better if you are not going to rent your accounts because it is very risky.