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  Hi everyone,

  As per Josh on BFL's announcements page / ASIC Update thread:
  (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html#post16489 (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html#post16489))

  28 Feb 2013 Update
 
  "The ASIC team has been working all day on testing the various aspects of the chip. There have been no problems so far and all 16 engines hash properly at 250 MHz. Full range tests are scheduled for tomorrow to see how high we can the engines past 500 MHz (the nominal speed the chips are slated to run at).

  No update on the bumping at the moment, but I should have one tomorrow as to the disposition of that."

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  I'm glad to see them coming along, even if delayed.  Thanks for the update Josh.

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  Edit: 3-2-13

  Josh mentioned that Bumping is now completed.  We'll be awaiting further details then I guess.
  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1176-february-28th-update-discussion-2.html#post16618 (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1176-february-28th-update-discussion-2.html#post16618)

Puertolibre right on cue as usual................. hahaha

And not a negative word in his post ?............................I think he's going mellow in his old age  :D

PL's post is actually pretty useful and informative.  Lots of newbies probably haven't seen that chart before.

Hanging around these forums too long will age anyone though  ;D

Fly or Fail, it's all in BFL's hands.

Let us pray for a miracle. (....the world is holding its breath)

https://i.imgur.com/KzY4tPF.jpg ^ I got my miracle today. ^

are you telling us you have 24 avalons?

24?  oh wow....

I haven't kept up with all the updates. But I was guessing that each chip would do 1.5GH/s.

Why?

Simple reason.

Jalapeno is rated for 4.5GH/s
Singles @ 30GH/s & 60GH/s
Rig @ 1500GH/s

The highest GH/s that a chip could be and be a factor of each of these values is 1.5  :P

So, if true, the Jalapeno would have 3 chips.
Singles 20 and 40 respectively.
And a nice even 100 chips for the rig.

No. Japaleno is 1 chip, Little Single is 4, Single is 8.

So 1 chip does (or should do (finally, to match or beat Avalon)) ~8 GHash/s.

Japaleno has lower clocks.

sign me up for Liquid immersion cooling and cranking those baby's to 1.21 Jigga watts!!!!!!!!!  that like 1.21Ph/s per board then.... I think

Has BFL even stated that they would provide firmware to allow OC?


Never read that.

Boxes o' Fans???  ;D

/troll

So in theory a Jalape~o can be overclocked?

I am sure you hack it and you void your warrenty

nope hes not trolling it was in the email people got to day for them shipping the units out so hem units are ready and been prepaid to be shipped out.

Regarding overclocking.

Also, as to the question of clock speed vs hashrate, I would say it's extremely likely that each of the 16 hashing engines will produce 1 hash per clock cycle. Therefore you have 469MHz giving 7.5GH/s for the Singles.

What is curious to me (having two Single SC's on pre-order) is the size of these Avalon units. From all indications we have so far, the BFL Single SC will occupy a ~quarter of the cubic space of the Avalon miner at an equivalent hashing rate.

In theory, anyway.

Nothing new in the picture. BFL customers have been shown their boxes months earlier. However BFL didn't falsely claimed they were shipping them.
Now, PuertoLibre has got his "miracle" picture. It seems they are empty. It's strange they didn't take pictures of piles of boards or half ready devices, while they claim they are going to start shipping on Monday.

If not, you can launch it into the upper atmosphere with a weather balloon. And it should tick just a little faster according to Einstein's theory.  8)

Not to be pedantic, but this was proven decades ago with atomic clocks on military jets.

Total lie.

They have claimed to be shipping their ASICs on time over and over again, each time with postponement and additional delays.

The last one took you (a BFL customer by the way) from February 10th to Match 10th. (or thereabouts).

It'll Ship in:

October 2012, no wait
Early November 2012, no wait
Mid November, no wait
"5th Week of November", no wait
Early December 2012, no wait
December 10th, no wait a little longer
Before the 25th of December our Fabs"drop dead" date,, no wait
Now it is 30 days from December 10th 2012 --> January 10th 2013, no wait
Revised that and added a detailed timeline, Sometime in February 10th, no wait
February 18th 2013, no wait
February 22nd, 2013, no wait
Sometime in Early March 2013, no wait
Sometime in Mid March 2013, if all goes well...

(The continuing saga of BFL customers)

Now do me a favor and go wash your face from all that humiliation...


It's more like you are just speculating it is the case rather than knowing it is the case (of fans).

You know there is a rumor that BFL is waiting on their shipment.

http://bflupdate.info/wp-content/uploads/avalon_BFL.jpg

Thanks PL for that chart.  Even I haven't seen that one before.  Certainly we've beaten the "BFL has slipped on their deadlines" horse to death by now.  Photo of cases seems to be neat.  Just wanted to put the update out there for those who don't regularly check BFL's forums.

https://twitter.com/BFL_News

No, it is you who is lying. BFL made promises they couldn't fulfill, but they never claimed "we shipped 53 units", "we mount 12 per day".


Simply do recall all bitcointalk posts about Avalon since 20th January. Who was right? You, being so sure to get the parcel fast? Or rather people showing strange things in Avalon team's behavior?


And stop trolling. If no, people won't help you when your unit(s) go south with "bus error", like libertybuck's units.

What am I lying about again?

Prove they didn't send out 53 units?

Prove they haven't built up and stocked 12 units per day during CNY?

"It's more like you are just speculating it is the case rather than knowing it is the case..."

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Look I will throw you a bone, if they have kept up the pace of building 12 unit a day then on Monday or...I should say..."The week of Monday"...a large number of tracking numbers should go out.

If it is a trickle of tracking numbers, then I concede to you that you are correct based on the available information. If not, then you'll have to concede that you like pulling things out from the neither regions of your mind. <shrug?>


What are you asking me to answer about specifically?

CNY did get in the way of their shipping plan from the looks of it. This was known long in advance by various forums since December. Am I happy about it? Heck No.

Are you surprised that the customs issue was related to CNY or...?


You ask me to stop trolling by going about trolling yourself? I guess you could have led by example.

But because you are an amature in the art of trolling, I shall show you how truth and trolling can be combined into a powerful molotov. I'll raise your troll with one of my own. Keep in mind one mans troll is another spreading truth.

You are one smart guy so take a look

http://oi46.tinypic.com/20gzfbt.jpg

Instantly deleted and thread was moved. LOL. I wonder why.

Your table looks wrong. There should be 16 hashes per clock.

You've got 15, which is what they would get if they have to disable a core (which they can do to make a failed chip useful, and put it in a Jalapeno).

Maybe your troll-like post didn't belong on a support forum.

BOX OF FANS Hahahaha

What do you call this?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/923-avalon-unit-delivered-bfl-hq.html

Started by the guy who deleted my post.

a joke

Right. ;)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1047-i-ordered-early-aug-~-4500-bfl-cs-says-will-likely-ship-may-june-true.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1047-i-ordered-early-aug-~-4500-bfl-cs-says-will-likely-ship-may-june-true.html)

 Question I ordered early Aug (~#4500), BFL-CS says will likely ship May-June. Is this true?

    I've seen some quite optimistic information here at the forum with regards to the chips, bumping and the time plan. According to Josh the first batch should ship quite soon (~1-2 weeks?) so I figured I would ask BFL when my order was paid so I could figure out approx in which batch I'll land.

    This is the email I sent:
    korupt <XXXX@gmail.com>
    12 feb

    to Butterfly
    Hello.

    I would like to know when my order (4XXX) was paid so that I can figure out how late or early I've ordered.

    Best regards

    The response I got:
    Butterfly Labs Inc
    13 feb

    to me
    Hi korupt,

    You placed the order and payed in the first week of August. We are working to start shipping soon and have a 2-3 month backlog in the queue, so your order will likely ship sometime in May-June, sooner if possible.

    Thanks for your patience!

    Sabina
    BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service

    So my question here is, have I completely misunderstood Joshs updates somehow? I have a hard time believing that there is such a huge mismatch of information between CS and Josh as they supposedly work for the same company.

    Are people with order numbers in the 4000 supposed to wait til May-June?

    Would be great if a BFL rep or someone with information could answer. Also please link to where it says that shipping is to be that late.


http://i48.tinypic.com/29zyhcw.png

lolz yea she needs a lesson on dealing with angry customers. Josh whip her in to shape. Whip her real good!

Explains why Josh's wife quit her job and hangs around the lab daily, hence always available for lunch with coders from Oz on tour.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNrm3EeeVCQcPpdIOlaeV17Y7Cy-2QyghacGf-zhds0xoT5m1e
Sabrina

@ nathan (Known BFL apologist/supporter)

http://i.imm.io/XRb5.png

As you can see, this is also just "a joke". <sarcasm>


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/sensemaster/91-blog-entry-deleting-o-o.html

Again, I'll be the troll and point out the lie.

Josh says this is "a mistake" caused by a newbie CS agent. Hmm... I guess BFL_Jody is also a newbie....oh wait...shes been around since the FPGA Singles came out and works as General Manager for Customer Service....oops.

What BFL reps need is a good class in how to lie effectively. Here is Jody pointing out the May to June timeframe. There is also a post on BFL's forums of Josh Acknowledging it.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/85-perennial-question-when-will-my-order-ship.html

Oops, but then again I am a troll for pointing that out. Yikes, there is gonna be some explaining to do. :D

It is just a little trick BFL reps learn (I speculate).

Tell your CS to say something in official correspondence, (The left hand of the company)
Then let the COO say something completely contradictory. (The Right hand of the company)

When people complain of contradictory misinformation....simply say nothing.

Or

Say the the right hand does not know what the left hand is talking about. In this way, all time frames are accurate...but only one is official in the correspondence?

April = May, June

Not a chance in the world that they will not only start shipping, but also completely clear their current backlog of orders by the end of April.

You're confusing a whole bunch of different things...

It's not like their offices are down the hall from one another. Sometimes there's a communication gap between what each writes in the official forum. Sabrina's new, still getting her broom closet in order. Jody has to make sure coyotes don't get her chickens. Josh is jockeying for position to take the first flight to Mars, hence putting in more hours in the air. Nasser's trapped in Paris, although he's planning another trip to Italy to be on hand to welcome in the new Pope. And Sonny is teaching two-year-old Indy how to scratch off Lotto cards.

Now, please leave these people alone, for them busy folks.

Bonus humor: I wonder if the bumping facility reads this forum.

I love witty humour. I wonder if BFL was a hotel it would be called Faulty Towers?

Inb4 kano was caught bumping his wife.

Nice!!! So they shipped all 300 and customers are mining on them, right? Oooohhhhhhh, sorry...I forgot Avalon missed their timeline as well...

Ooo,I see alot of boxes with FANS in them  :D  Karma's a bitch ain't it  :P

As updated per Josh and that other thread near mine, Bumping is now completed.  We'll await details for the next step, thanks.  OP updated.

No no they are done bumping they said.  Keep up things are moving along now.

No, she might be more educated than you are.
She's a doctor.
The one day I had lunch with Josh AND his wife (as I said here: http:://www.kano-kun.net/ ) was Friday - the day after KC was completely closed.
The streets were still pretty empty and few people were going out.
Her practice was closed Thursday and Friday

It seems I messed up with the humor, Kano. I was relying upon memory, recalling you dining with Josh's wife twice, thinking both times were lunch. I see now that one time was dinner.

For the record, you can safely assume that Josh and his wife are a lot more educated than I am, albieeet me smart.  ::)

Why do men have nipples again?  ???

Welcome to the forums and so glad you with such a warm outlook on things. It's very refreshing when the new people are so helpfull

Sorry, I can never take anyone seriously when they have large quantities of grammatical errors in their statements. I've bolded the spelling errors, and I've underlined sentences that don't flow (or make sense) for your convenience. It's by no means fixed after all my added adjustments, but maybe it'll get you into your 3rd grade English class.

On a side note: I've always wondered this, but why do people use shorthand when typing on a keyboard? Like "ur" and "u"...is it really that hard for some people to type out "your" and "you"?

You think this is bad? Wait till you read Inaba's posts....

My one moment this weekend that was pleasurable.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35628407.jpg

Sir,
I have been reading your posts, you can be quite informative and I appreciate your contributions! Yes Josh can be vicious at times but this, IMHO is not an excuse for this type of attacks.

PS: when you asked Josh to remove personal reference to you from BFL forum, I was totally on your side cause I do believe it's a no go!

Actually, I agree with you.

Unfortunately, Inaba is the one who did this to me more than once. A moderator edited out Inaba's posts more than once for this.

I do believe in your sentiment as I too had the same thoughts when going through the above posts. That is why I didn't follow PG's way of doing things or "give him more rope" to his posts.

As you can maybe understand, Inaba kept doing it over and over again against me and my family. So honestly, I don't really care [too much] if it happens to him....as long as I am not the one doing it to him. If you'll note, I never call him by his full name even if it is known.

In either case, I do believe he has since been banned since he has not come online in quite some time.

As I mentioned before, I do believe you'll be surprised if you actually read Inaba's posts.

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Moving beyond that topic. I don't believe the woman on the broom is his wife (he is married..how is that even possible...im joking).

I believe that is Sabrina the teenage witch. (well in this case, not teenage anymore)

The photo is tiny (and I am bad with faces) but that is as much as I could figure out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Spellman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Joan_Hart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina,_the_Teenage_Witch_(TV_series)

The image is of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I thought the humor would have been obvious.

I just penned the below before I found this post.


Also, I wouldn't penned anything personal about Josh's wife even if I did know her name which, at the moment I do not, but would do so only if BFL turned into a meltdown.

Peace, all.

~Bruno K~

I agree that was a it harsh and vulgar. What do you expect when you delay people for a year. Sounds like he can't speak English and he's frustrated and unable to put out what he wants to say.

Yes I agree it should be removed from the thread. However this is not BFL's forum so I would believe anything that is NOT vulgar should stay.

Haha how many out there are saying "I'm losing a lot of money with prices this high" ?

I bet he was..... hence the anger....

What do you have when a 53yr old loser stick around on the internet for too long?

The fcker has no life. He will attack anyone that actually has a life.

+1

Imma just leave this here...

If you're talking about me, I'll be 53 tomorrow, but just realized I've been stating that I'm 53 for the past year. Ain't got a clue on how I did that. I was born in 1960.

Believe you me that I do have a life outside Bitcoin, though it seems I don't, albeit I spend a helluva lot time on this forum when not doing RL stuff like porn, barn wood sales, and did I mention porn?

Pease, Nem.

~Bruno K~

I reaaly don't think you care enough to answer my own question here but I have to ask.

Question:
When I ordered my miner in Oct 11 and you were saying that shipping could be possible in Late Dec how would that be possible when you just ordered benches and recently furbished and moved into a new location?

How could you assume that you would be able to handle the backlog of orders when you were moving and establishing at the same time?

He's talking about Yajaira aka PuertoLibre the habitual liar.  He's a down and out 56 year old computer "repair" man that runs his shop (QuickFix Computers), who "Only sporadically posts in the BFL threads"*


* For definitions of sporadically that are > 85% (17 of 20 threads).

According to you, anyone that calls you out on your lies is a habitual liar and/or an idiot with no reason to even get up in the morning. Your constant unprofessional attacks on others does nothing to mask your own failure to deliver or level with your investors, so please answer Mooc Tals question above. I've asked you the same question again and again since fall of last year and have received nothing save personal attacks in response. Put aside the personal attacks and posturing for 5mins and tell us...how was there any chance of BFL delivering in 2012 knowing what we now know about the progress(or lack thereof) with BFL's chips?

Joshua, should I post your phone number as we compete?
(Tit for tat?)

Your info is not even that accurate but let me know if you'd like to compare notes.

By all means, my information is public already. I don't hide behind pseudononymity on the internet, slinging insults and lies at people.  You, on the other hand, count on your anonymity to shield you from your lies, Yajaira.  Unlike you, I back up all of my statements with my own personal information as well as links and facts.  You just... lie and then claim you never really said something or you don't even bother acknowledging that you have been caught in yet another lie.

How's that "I only sporadically post in the BFL threads anymore. I don't think anyone does actually." working for you?  Do you consider "sporadic" to mean a 90% post rate in BFL threads?  I think you might need to look up sporadic.  Just one example of your habitual lying.    I mean, hell, you are on the BFL forms more than I am.  You have stuff screen shotted and posted here before even I see it, heh.

My information isn't that accurate, huh?  Are you saying Quick Fix Computers (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1322+W+Commerce+St+San+Antonio,+TX+78207-3510&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x865c5f34f03f6f39:0x7c8c2e1d8d436383,1322+W+Commerce+St,+San+Antonio,+TX+78207&gl=us&ei=ANgzUd3uE4a7qgH44ICgDw&ved=0CDMQ8gEwAA[/url) is not your place of business?  You want to talk about a shady, scammy looking business... wow.  Quick Fix computer is the very definition of scam. 

That sign in front would seem to indicate it is indeed a place of business. The phone number on the front matches your phone number.  Your name is plastered all over the internet associated with that phone number and business.  Really?  Not accurate?  Do tell.

You do realize that everyone considers you a liar. Well except a few I'd imagine.

In this thread alone I pointed out that the lie you made up that Sabrina (or whatever her CS name is) was the only saying June because she was new. I pointed out that Jody made a prominent Blog post on it.

The only thing I haven't done (because I am lazy and the effort isn't worth it) is finding out where exactly where the post was where you acknowledge the legitimacy of CS date quotes.

You know full well that they aren't making a mistake. What a surprise that you showed up today to claim I am a liar. Like always it is the same tired story from you.

To sum up your ignorance, you quoted a post wherein there were (at that time) like 2 active BFL threads. Now (on this date) there are almost a dozen BFL threads.

In context, yet another one of your lies falls apart.

As for the baloney in this segment of text, they aren't even worth addressing. The stuff I post is on the spot. Like friz, I know exactly what you are likely to delete. So screen caps is for when you do the obvious.

The only thing that bothers you is that I make a post to point it out. That has always seemed to get your goat as it were.

Old data.

Though I don't encourage your posting of private data, if you feel the need, I can't stop you in doing that.

I am also not stupid enough to give you extra vectors in figuring out where the correct data is and what is wrong.

All I will do is match your point with my own. At the moment I am away from the main computer so by tonight I should be able to look further and post whatever meets the merits of your intrusion into my personal life or that of my family.

So you do what you think you have to do as you are the instigator of such a scenario, just be sure I will match each stroke. So have a field day if you must. Just not with my permission, express or implied.

Unfortunately, I can't actually tell you everything I intend to do. So some of it is not obvious. Sorry about that.

You haven't done it because it's not true.  This is the same old, tired song and dance with you.  "Well, you said this!" ... someone asks you to prove it, you fail at finding any proof and move on.  You do this constantly.  You make claims but you're unable to back them up.  Just like now.

To sum up your ignorance, you quoted a post wherein there were (at that time) like 2 active BFL threads. Now (on this date) there are almost a dozen BFL threads.

In context, yet another one of your lies falls apart.

Oh, you're right.  Lets put it in context:

On the day you made that post, of your prior 20 posts, 17 of them were in a BFL thread.  That's a *slightly* better ratio of than 36 out of 40 you have going right now.  Yes, context is important.  Who's a liar again?


Uh huh... so you don't scour the BFL forums day and night, you just "happen" across these posts randomly and coincidentally over and over.  Suuuuree thing partner.


Ahhh, we've transcended your trolling to nebulous threats!  You post lies behind your anonymity then you complain when someone forces you to take responsibility for your actions, Yajaira D Guevara.  Yes, I can't wait to see "everything you intend to do."  I also hope your neighbors google your name occasionally and see threads like these and realize what a scum ball you are.  Although I suspect they already know, if you're anything like your online personality in real life.

PuertoLibre says "Imma gitchu!  You just wait till ah get back to mah computer!  You gone be sorry den!"

Somehow, Yajaira, I think even Bryan Micon might be better at it than you, and look what people think of him.

Inaba, dont waste your time man.

What do you do when you see a dog bark? I would throw him a bone or stick, and go on with my business.

Like i said, the fcker has no life.

<Shrug>
It's the same to me. You do whatever. I'll do the same.

You certainly can't complain about that now can you?

As for the rest, I am just looking for a clear conscience. So if you edge your own self straigt into a corner it makes me feel a bit better. Talk is cheap as is said. So you can pretty much stamp around and say what you want.

As long as it makes me feel justified, that is good enough for me.
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As for the rest, usually you like to make your arguments by contorting information. To make it look like as if it were worse than it actually is. For example, you don't look at the fact that I have been making updates or just participating in the most active threads that others create. (Avalon threads are currently the low activity threads at this time.)

Why? It doesn't go well with your agenda.

Doesn't matter much, in either case as I have always said, anyone stupid enough to believe you at face value deserves to be hoodwinked.

Less trolling more delivering actual product.

You mean the guy who made some website where he went into details about you and how your brother was gay? Creepy guy indeed.

Next time you ought to give him a BTC.

Oh I see... so now it's "I just participate in the most active threads."  Right... love that revisionist history you spew there... caught in another lie and your retard shield goes into overdrive.  Dude, if you're going to lie, at least get good at it.  You're so pathetic at it you can't even keep your story straight in the same thread, much less between threads.  


Coming from the same guy that threatened to write a script to stalk my every post and repost it elsewhere. The same guy that posts things from the BFL forum on Bitcointalk seconds after they are posted on the BFL forums.  Yes... creepy.

This may be true. Maybe not. Who knows.

What we know for sure is that you are an official Butterfly Labs representative, you are their public face. Yet you behave like a 12 year old.

You are a shame for your company. The fact that they haven't fired you by now tells a lot about BFL.

Somehow i think Katherine has to sell sex to feed this loser  :-\

;) Child labor?

Oh, you are still upset at that. The destination was only one of two places.

Office@butterflylabs.com
Or
Butterflylabs forum.

I recall you freaked the crap out. Was that before you told me I was beautiful after you pulled my emailed complaint or before? I am old so my memory is hazy. I recall it was after you gave me permission and told everyone that you felt like a celebrity. (Until you found out it was going to your inbox. Hah.)

Anyway, got to do work, so have a field day posting any number of obscenities. (well if Theymos doesn't beat you silly).

Is this table accurate or not Josh?

https://i.imgur.com/cq6qYX8.png

So probably April - July for current orders?

For fuck's sake.

Can we just leave spouses, children, and other family members not actively involved in BFL out of this?  I know I took a cheap shot at Josh's poodle, but this is a whole new level of insanity.

+21,000,000

I know some of you love trolling and fighting back and forth and believe me when I say I sincerely find most of it humorous, but dragging people's families and personal info into it is very unnecessary.

At least someone now knows hiding behind screen aint working .

The fcker got pwn!

I think that once the Avalons start to ship on mass,  if that table is correct, then there will be a compaction of the orders.

The difficulty is already up > 10million and the PPs is down nearly 30%, and we are only just scratching the surface on shipped ASICS.......

I'm going to have to concur also, but not the poodle or, for that matter, Jody's chicken. Fair game (possibly, pun intended)!

Just want to quote this so when/if it's change later, we can try to develop a "PuertoLibre to English" translation system.  I have NFC what you are even trying to write here.  Knickers in a twist?  Having trouble articulating yourself through your rage haze?

As you will notice Inaba will address all other comments except for those that expose what really happened back in November and December for him to go back on his word of shipping date(s).

Inaba is full of it. He will never address the real questions people want answers to...like perhaps BFL balance sheets for investors (those who pre-ordered up until today).

Yes all "PRE-ORER CUSTOMERS" = INVESTORS

What you do is posture as the face of a legitimate business.

You sling crap back at anyone that disagrees with you or points out your blantant failures.

And you fail to answer the questions that need answering like above. Why would you folks put up a date of shipping 2012 when in fact things are what they are now?

My guess, given you are too big a wussy to answer, is that you folks knew you werent going to be able to ship in 2012 and if you did admit that your business would not have gotten as much preorder money as it has from November to now.

Stop being a little boy and come out and say what needs to be said and answer questions that need to be answered.

Josh is on record predicting earlier deliveries. He knows they can't reach that date, but he'll leave that up for customers as long as possible so they don't request refunds. Eventually he'll push it back.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html

Swell. Cuz BFL is such a huge company that CS and the COO cannot hand out the same estimates? ::)

...or because they can then mislead and say "well we got our wires crossed". They did this with the defective, but not defective chips.

I would like to point out that is do feel it was intentional to announce their ASIC way early without the estimated delivery time being realistic. The effect was to scare potential competitors.  I know how I felt when it was announced that day.  I was like "so soon?" and "man, they are going to lock it down :(".   Being this late is inexcusable as a fluke.

http://i50.tinypic.com/xmo7r5.png

I feel bad for the other guys. He's watching Btc going to 35 dollars and he can't mine them.

Alas my question is still unanswered..........idle

Josh's silence on the matter of why delays happened in November and December will continue.

Josh knows they messed up. If they told the truth in 2012 they would not have as much preorder customer money as they do now.

It's a ponzi scheme. No product just promises to deliver. But they can "offer refunds". Just not to 100% of their customers.

 :D

Then you should probably not order one then. Might be a good idea to stop trolling the forums and get some fresh air for a change as well. The only scam is the bs timelines and changing their order policy after people paid for products. I would have made enough money to purchase a nice home off the new btc price had I not given it to them. If I find out Joe Bob ordered yesterday and got his unit after I paid 11 months ago, I will be using the rest of my money to hire some lawyers.

My October 2012 order was my first miner. I'm just getting into this and learning. I'm so pissed cus I was gonna buy the BTCFPGA units and mine with that but this fucken asic bull shit got me waiting and still am.

I have been in the mean time I been learning to run every miner out there in Linux and windows on my bullshit acer aspire one laptop that gives me 2.3 khs rate.

For fuck sakes I can't even buy a computer and build one to mine cuz any fucken second the asics are coming.

I been in limbo for 5 months now and bored out my skull. Then BTC goes to 33 and my jaw drops.

BFL Y U NO SHIP?

They got no product, yet.

Really? Thank you detective pinger..

Of course they got, they are burning them winning all the BTC they can before shipping their ASICS  ;D

Well, this thread got ugly fast.

Neo, wow, horrible.  Reported immediately.

The rest of you guys, sure, we're frustrated but take it to IDK, maybe a "Why I hate BFL" thread.  This one's for updates only.

ooo a nifty lock button.  Shoo, gentleman.  We're done here.