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As you may have noticed Miningsweden.se isnt paying since 11 Days.

Im really pissed off because there is no real communication possible with tommy or other customers.
So i wanted to get here in contact with some (now) scammed customers. ;)
He is just telling poor stories -> Lets see and discuss

Lets take a short look at Tommys posts:

I dont know what he wants to tell us with "system update" but an php update wouldnt fuck up his plugin.
His Wordpress, where the Payoutscript runs, is old as fuck. (On August 4, 2015, WordPress 4.2.4 was released to the public.)


Sure Tommy...


He downgrades his "system".
As an wordpress developer this is an work of an hour (max) with this wordpress constellation.


He managed the downgrade but the plugin does not work ?
Doesnt he understand his own code ?
File based Backups, tell you the version of your old plugin...
Database backups can tell you the version of your old plugin...
He wants to make the site saftey -> LOL with simple URL injection you can get all users without any tools :D
11 open security gaps since weeks(months)....
And he is still running all out of date plugins and wordpress core


Last message from Tommy.
He isnt answering via paypal, e-mail, support or phone.

We all got scammed, to be exact 7739 users got scammed :)

well i dont want to cry about those 100 bucks, because the arent worth it.
As i bought that shares, i knew that he has an protected "who is" and it looks like scam (the whole website and the whole content is bullshit)
But i knew, if i gonna pay with paypal i can take legal actions agains him. (legal expenses insurance)
I´ll go with the paypal customer protection, and if it dont work as i want, ill go with my legal protection and sue him on some points of EU privacy reporting line and the imprint duty to make profit, because he has no clue about his legal obligations as an webmaster/"storeowner" ect..

I just wanted to know what  YOU´ll do with this scammer.
Have some of you heared anything from miningsweden since 2016-05-22 ?

Remember:
The internet is a shark pool and poor websites are our meal. $$$ for every legal fail of the webmaster ;)

//Edit:
User can see all other users:
https://i.imgur.com/K6pz2Wh.jpg

Why do you think it is hard to get the money back, if there is an paypal seller ?

The seller account has to be linked with an address (maybe a "box" i know), and an bank account.
None from his protected data is protected against the law and mostly of his data you can find by your own, when digging.
Webhosts / Domains / Payment Provider / Paypal ect

i dont know any credit card payment provider, where you dont get checked from top to bottom, because they have to secure themselfe before they get in contract with others.
And i work with about 10 payment providers, for example Novalnet...

Nobody can do anything "anonymous" in the internet, everything is traceable just a question of ressources.

// Edit:
i see,now they only accept bitcoins
May a user, that has payed with creditcard can tell me the used payment provider for creditcard ? I dont find that information on the webarchive.



 

If you have paid through paypal before then you better ask for refund and hope you will get it from paypal staff. And as you say they now only accept bitcoin, this may be due to lots of refund claim goinng on by other users after this payout issue. Its better to always remain quite far from cloud mining site.

Sounds plausible with the refunds, havent thought about that in first place, but this is why they are only accepting btc now. :D

I think i dunno get the right point of your last sentence.
Do you mean something like, to keep distance of those cloud mining services in general?

Thanks :)

Btw.  i let you all know as soon as i get infos from paypal

This seems like LTCgear all over again. Also, this is why I hate BTC anonymity, it only allows scammers to do this kind of thing.

i bought some

"20 Mining Share grants the owner:
20 GH S7 mining power for 12 months.
All power, maintenance and pool fees for 12 months."

and

"Each VIP Plus share package will grant the owner the following:
1 VIP Share (only the VIP part)
10GH S7 Miningshares including all costs for 12 months.
Each VIP share will also grant the holder a percentage of 25% of the companies profits"

and he shuts them down after 2-3 months :D ?
I wonder how he wants to explain that to paypal...

Guess I'm one of the lucky ones, joined March of 2015 and my payouts received are within $30 of what I put in.
I knew something was wrong when Tommy started "tap dancing" about hard to calculate profits for distribution to VIP share holders. he quit answering my emails and support tickets weeks ago.
Looks like it all ended today. ::)
In the beginning, I think he touted being registered as a corporation in the US.

dam , so he tried to hussle more money by claiming he has s9's coming , what a piece of shit.  he bamboozle a lot of people, their dumping like crazy on hashnest thinking s9's  were coming this week. but if u look at bitmain website there still shipping s7 this week.

yes he tried.
He scammed a lot of people

See here:
https://www.miningsweden.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/miningsweden_investment_2016-02-29_1829.png
https://www.miningsweden.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Mining-Sweden.jpg

you can take a look at his data uploadet via wordpress,
also you see all the attachments of the "support tickets"

https://www.miningsweden.se/wp-content/uploads/


Here you find Pdf documents about other mining equipment and scrypt mining contracts
https://www.miningsweden.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/

Read my experience with MS : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1464949.msg14971081#msg14971081

My paypal chargeback attempt against MS has failed.

Status

After careful consideration, we're unable to decide this claim in your favour at this time.

The item violates the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy. It's ineligible for PayPal Buyer Protection

It is only problematic because in most cases you let them scam you. I was overly optimistic towards some bullshiters in the past as well, never more.
Some bitcoin scammers have their identity revealed and there is still very little legal action taken against them.
So I guess it is not entirely about anonymity.

I almost invest here back when I was looking for a good cloud mining site and miningswede always come out with a good reputation on many reviews I did not push to invest because it's not worth to invest on cloud mining anymore..

another one bites the dust?

Exactly, people who have been into bitcoin for a time now know what to expect when new companies like mining sweden pop up. These companies never last more then 2 years. Which is why there should be some information to newbie's how new companies are very good in taking away your money.

Investing in bitcoin is the same as other investing, the market will give you are decent ROI, not a better ROI then an average stock.

yes this is the only point they can come up with, i found in the web.
paypal hates bitcoin. *competitor*
 
you bought a service, for example a webhost, pay for 12 months and they shut everything down after 3 months?
edit: ohh i see you bought that miners
If paypal dont stand with you, may your country has something like an consumer protection law and helps you for free to get your agreement with tommy.

So what u re saying is Paypal punishes people who invest into BTC by refusing to protect them?

Another new scam site  , I think most of those sites are ponzi scheme and when they are out of fund they turn into a scam , I can't trust any cloud mining , unless one or two sites similar to hashflare ... I invested in it and I hope it will still paying for long time , because they have good strategy .

buyer protection for the purchase of most goods and services.
that says the paypal site, so there is room for them.

if paypal would like bitcoins, why they dont accept them  ::)

You are almost right. I am beginning to believe that the ease of paypal chargeback for btc is likely an urban legend.

I asked Tommy MiningSweden for refund according my VIP contracts in money or Miner or I will inform the Swedish Authorities about his business behavior what I did (bcse I did not get an answer) in my homecountry and they immediately found the company and suggested me to open a fraud case as soon as possible with the Police in Sweden and gave me the necessary information and I explained to Tommy how the story is going on and he repeated on my email (seems to be a wonder) as follows:

 
---- "Tommy - MiningSweden.se" <tommy@miningsweden.se> schrieb:
> Hello Tom,
>
> Well if you do something like that the police will find a lot of miners
> and also see all the papers and business so it will not make any difrens
> more then that I then need to close down all operation even to try to
> continue paying out the users at least to the halving, also having a
> plan to see if I can get the other income bas to cover even payouts
> after the halving but I don't know how it will look for it then.
>
> BUT if you want to do this it is up to you, as a thank you if you do it
> I will post all your personal information with adress, phone number and
> email soo ALL users that you have made loose the rest of their payouts
> that they will have can thank you for fucking it up for them more then
> it is.
>
> My ambition is to payout all the payouts as I have stated.
>
> And Magnus has nothing to do with this, he just helped send the miners
> to you.
>
> And by the way, it is people like you that has made me close down since
> you are not worth the energy.
>
> So please, don't mess this up for all the other users.
>
> And about your information 7000 clients is a bit incorrect, well we have
> 7000+ registered users but only around 10-15% of them are customers and
> most of them have bought share for 10-30 usd.
>
> So get your fact right first before you start screaming.
>
> Make your withdraws from the system and I will pay them as we go but if
> I get a call from the police with your name on the report.
>
> ---
> Tommy
> www.miningsweden.se
>
> 2016-05-26 16:44 skrev Tom Fricker:
> > Hi Magnus
> >
> > I did not receive any proposal yet from your part.
> >
> > So I received following information from Swedish Chamber of Commerce.
> >
> > 1.       They are aware of you company.
> >
> > 2.       Around 7000 clients may be an amount of several milions uss.
> >
> > 3.       The advised me to open a fraud case on polisen.se
> >
> > Therefore I expect you by today a proposal as in my email yesterday.
> >
> > Otherwise I will open a fraud case tomorrow online on polisen.se
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Thomas

So he had to shut down because me (and probably some others) but has a lot of miners which the police will find.

So if Tommy will not refund with miners maybe the police will do.

If anyone will have my address feel free to ask and I publish her.

And regarding the s5 Miners.
He wanted me to give Hash. I refused, informed Paypal and after that I send me 1 S5 Miner and 1 S7 Miner.

So feel free to ask about address of mine if you really believe this person will pay bitcoin later or fight to get at least some S7 miners as compensation.

haha he wants to frighten you, how cute. ::)

if he makes your data public, you can get way more money from him ;D

Wait, wait. So he does not pay and if you report him, he ll post all your personal info online and you will the one who s guilty????

Damn, LTCgear, all over again.


People, sorry for your loss.

i wasnt into that LTCgear thing, can you sum this up for me in a few sentences ? :) thanks

First he is not frighten me. He is just stupid.
And right, he will get a Penalty for threatening.

According to him the Police will find a lots of miner.
What was he doing today?
I hope mining. Of course in his pocket.

I just asked him to delete my account after he sent me half a dozen of s7. ( which could also be 5)
Thats all. I am not angry with him. It is just Business.

And if he is not doing so maybe the Police is.

And scamming from a Country like Sweden is really really stupid.

and Folks, why to let People always go away like that.
I have Kids to feed. I never expect a fortune from Tommy.
Just paying what can be hashed. Thats all.
With VIP contracts you are owner of Computer Hardware.
Paypal should refund within half an year of buying it.

Swedish Chamber of Commerce you find under Google in your homecountry.
I am living in Switzerland. And they are very friendly.

Information about announcing fraud you find under:
https://polisen.se/
choose your language

but I did not find the online form.
So I have to call them but still hope Tommy are making some deals with me or maybe us.

Hi GoldenHamster, I am a victim of MS as well. I am astonished to see the attitude that MS behaved towards you. You may want to read my encounter in previous postings.

Please share the story of LTC gear. I am unaware of it too.

I received following answer of Tommy from MiningSweden.se:

Hello Tom,

well since all I´m sending you will end up in forums we might also include the correct information.

You hade 5 S5 miners at MiningSweden that we hosted for you. When they went down I always gave you more hash rate to your own pool as compensation. Also if a miner broke down that was not usable anymore I gave you a new miner to continue the mining. This I would not have needed to do but I did it anyway to surve you as a customer and to give back as much as possible.
When we closed down the hosting for everyone your contracts where coming to an end and I told you several times that it would not be profitable to mine with the old S5 miners that you hade and that you would wast your money buying new contracts for them.
I never offered you Cloud mining hash for them as you state on the forum.

Also I could have sent you the 5 old S5 miners but instead I offered you
1 old S5 and one S7 miner that is much more economical to mine with for you now.

And in your demands against me you want me to send you a dussin of S7 miners or ells you will go to the police and threatens me with a lot of things.
Your S7 account has 4000 GH of mining capacity so I don't see the connection to a dussin (12 x 4700GH = 56400 GH) of miners.

Aldo since I looked at your account I also found that for some reason your account hadn't got the S5 mining shares deducted from it so thanks for reminding me about your account and now I have cleared out 1500 S5 mining shares that everyone else has been missing for a month.

So I don't see the relevance in your demands against MiningSweden, we have always tried to do our best and pay back as much as possible and also serving your hosted miners to a much greater extent then needed from our point of view.

Bitcoin mining is not a goldmine, even KNC closed down their business yesterday and they where much much bigger then MS. It is hard fore everyone in Mining at the moment and the higher difficulty is killing all mining business as you soon will see the rest of the mining services will also be having problems since no one has a magic formula against this.

What I tried to say to you is that we will try to clear out all the remaining payouts until the halving and to be able to do this we need to get another income basis started and we are working on that.
Also as I have stated the VIP share are still active and if we get the new income running it will also generate VIP payouts for years to come to the users.

You have 550 VIP shares in total, that is 0,005% of the total VIP shares. And I will do my best to get things going again and generate other bitcoin income to MS but If all my energy have to go fighting against threats and demands like this all the time I can close down the company and file for bankruptcy and then everyones investments are totally gone, the VIP share are worthless and I don't have to clear out the payouts that I intend to do over time.

What I tried to tell you is that if I have to close down on this reason the other investors will want to know who did this.

So I´m trying to say stay cool, wait for the payouts and be a part of a change in MS that can generate income on the VIP share for coming years.
But not in Mining since it is dead.

I hope you understand and also accept that you have actually had a nice income from the Mining share you have got even if you maybe not have made a total ROI on them but the VIP shares are still around.

If you need to publish this, please do so in a complete version even if some users on the forums will not read what I say.

I still believe that you are a good guy that can see the big picture that we have been trying our best for the users and also trying to do as much as possible for you and on your hosting of the miners you hade at us.

---
with regards

Tommy
www.miningsweden.se


So, my decision is that I will not involve Police or authorities.
I hope others will follow this opinion.
Probably he is smarter than expected.

But still my feeling is mixed because never ever in my life somebody was concerned about my income like Tommy.

Got a full refund from PayPal for all the purchases :)

https://i.imgur.com/oqNEFH3.jpg

One answer from paypal:


rough translation:

We finished our researches with your case and the decision fellt in your favor.

We managed to get $54,60 back. The sum will be credited to your paypal account. This may takes up to 5 days.

If the Seller owe you more Money, we will try our best to get it from him.

You can be sure, that we will take appropriate actions agains the Seller, if the Seller has not enough funds on his account. as example: Limitation of Account Access Rights

another scam mining sites, go to the hell!
I hope more user stop to use this stupid site!!!

@Hausi please post a translation! here it's an international board!

translation added

Just for you to know:
The article in the refund was claimed to paypal as "a service". (not hardware)
In my opinion this was right, i bought 12 months of service and he scammed me after weeks...
Thanks paypal :)

You were successful in your Paypal claims. Congrats. I wasn't so lucky -- Paypal rejected my claims. Perhaps I didn't do it properly. I have already written off the amount and took it as a lesson learnt.

Very strange. This is the first time I see Paypal actually doing refund for crypto-related services. Great to hear it s actually possible. I thought they hated crypto and therefore punishing anyone investing into crypto businesses.

Wow this is ging to be a drama. The first time i saw miningsweden advertisements on the old gaw miners forum i knew it would end up bad.. and yes it did end up.. bad.

People should understand, when you have cloud mining, ANY cloud mining there is a middle man which means you always lose...

It is strange Tommy only interacts and tries to resolve matters with GoldenHamster over the matter.

Is it because GH threathened legal actions?

Tommy knows i cannot do anything due to jurisdiction issues.

Hi (Cloud) Miners

I also got refund from PayPal of uss 559 uss.
Still open Balance of 3900 uss.
VIP Shares means you're invested in the Company what means in the Hardware.

Regarding the correspondences with me and Tommy:
I bought 5 SMiners. He shot them down and did not want to sent them to me.
So I involved PayPal and immediately (after big shouting) he sent 1 s5 and 1 s7 bearing the cost of sendîng.

So, he promised to make payouts before halving. He promise to Profit for years (with our contracts???)

He sold out on his Website all S9 contracts.

So if there is no payout I ask for my VIP right to receive the Hardware. Otherwise there will be legal action.

Also I am very confused about the involving of badbitcoing.org with simple statment: Sadly, Mining Sweden is closing the Mining Farm. They had all the time advertisement of miningsweden.se
And than month later Genesis Mining. Also they suggested free Satoshi of Zebra and Bitcoin. Both of this Website regularly produced trojans download. I informed them about, without reaction.

So, let me ask you what you will do in case of no payouts after halving and keeping Tommy Boys Promis of years of Profit?

He must have Miners which will be running s7 of s9.

How much have you "invested" with Tommy in total?

i wonder what their excuse is now that BTC is $750...should be able to turn shit back on and pay people out.

the shit was never turned offline, just mined in tommys pocket ;)
i dont think anyone will see any btc

hi
read just your posts.
Gave a lot of money to miningsweden - and i hoped to long it would not be scam.

I opened a request to paypal.

The mostly of cloud mining are scamed their users, that is why we need management of risk on Investment. And if we wanna make Investment do  with you can lost it.

Honestly not most all of them are scam and you can not get any legit cloud mining site i experience it may time to be scam by cloud mining even in investment site this is just like the same as investment site they know that cloud mining is the best to start a business that they can not get any negative here in our forum unlike investment site they choose cloud mining because its easy to attract people to buy hash rate here that they know its legit if the site is alive long..

Even if you have found the best, legit, easy, cloud mining and choose it, it is still there are risk on your Investment and you must manage it. And you must make Investment with you can lost it. In Investment feel greed will broke it.

Yes it will be what can we expect for them? There are just fooling their innocent investors because mining/cloud mining for todays is not very profitable thats why some of legit companies are closing down and others are joining ponzi scheme now and thats very bad because any time if from now investors will lose again their money and that are we must need to monitor and vigilant On investing in that scheme.

Even true mining company is closed I think its not secure invesment if you investment mining company  same risky as ponzi. So better find another source of income and find much safe investment.

I wrote to Tommy:



Dear Tommy,

the problem is we all (you and I and your companymembers) love bitcoin.
And we dont like scam.
You told it us on your site. No scam no bullshit!

And we trust you.
And we have seen that you had a good payout. For example caused of the watercraft in Boden .

But now the problem is we cant see your bitcoins and there is no further payout - and there are only promises but no prooves, no adress of tommygrasberger, no bitcoinminer which can be seen.

What shall we do?

Seeing on Internetresearch there are some bitcoinforum and all is spoken...

Waiting seems to be bullshit.
Its seems better to call Police..

Please give a real sign of you and your Identity ... we are waiting.

All becomes good - i hope.

I will give this letter in bitcointalk and i will offer more information when i find it.

After now the latest announcement of miningsweden and wrote several time to the Company.
Of course without any answer.
So I belive there are many Miners around (according the Company) I wrote an announcement to Swedish Police and Swedish Department for economic fraud.

If someone wants to do the same you will find the Email:

huvudregistrator@ekobrottsmyndigheten.se (for possible economic fraud)

registrator.kansli@polisen.se (Police Stockholm)

hallo
i wrote too to the police. But my email is still not answered. maybe they answer not for email.
there is a Tommy Grasberg who registered the page miningsweden in moholm
http://www.whoismind.com/whois/miningsweden.com.html
im not sure about this identity. maybe stolen or wrong....

How hard this may sound, but those guys will get away with it. Same way Josh (GAW) and Chris (LTCGear) did get away with it.
What i've learned is that scammers in the world of bitcoin, get away with anything.. really sad.

Yeah maybe you are right and Swedish Authorities will not be able or willing at all.

Thanks for this concerns.

I will send the same to the swedish - swiss Chambers. At least they showed interest some time ago and if nothing works out I send it to the embassy.

Before entering an investments. You must study first the background of which site you are going invest at. First you must know if is it trustworthy? I've studied and searched for the reviews of this site. Here
http://digiconomist.net/fraud-risk-assessment-mining-sweden
Yeah, its a fraud.

Has Tommy went silent over these? Perhaps he is enjoying his new found wealth

I doubt that this investment made him very wealthy. But I am sure he did benefit from his customers.
It's a shady way to earn money, and people doing this belong a lifetime sentence to jail.

For any Fraud Case you may send your request at:

Nordlander Yvonne <Yvonne.Nordlander@ekobrottsmyndigheten.se>

She will forward to Linköping for further investigations.

Good luck

What is her role in this investigations?

I think Mining Sweden also shows the importance of trying to standardize evaluations of services such as these. Badbitcoin put them on their safe list and I must admit I wasn't sure about listing them as a scam at first because they weren't as explicit (eg waiving around massive returns) as a typical one (when I did the review anyway). But then the flags started popping up on the checklist, and it became apparent that this was just another shady service.

Badbitcoins.org deserves a slap themselves.

Honestly if its listed as safe on Badbitcoin i would run the other way.  They have a habit of picking some massive scams to claim are fine.

See GAW for example.

It was on their safe list and they still wont admit they got that wrong....

In fact their claims about GAW look very similar now to what they now have listed for MS.  It may even be word for word.

Miningsweden.se       1+2*+5+7           => 4/7 = Highly Suspicious (*Paused paying their active contracts and claimed of hosting a miner which is not even launched by the concerned vendor)

Thats from the link in my sig about how to avoid cloud mining scams.  They scored badly enough to make the Ponzis yet to collapse list and probably need moving now

That says a lot about Badbitcoins.org:

Yes!!, fools lose their money and time to celebrate that they paid the price for their stupidity.
I wont even see them as sane, cmon the clear signs of a scam are in Crystal clear in the website..

Affiliate? Crappy Website? Good to be true packages?

Serves them right, now the scums are enjoying their money


Wow, there are people even looking at badbitcoin..
Oh lord

The admins at badbitcoins deserves to be shamed as much as the ponzis. lol

The main problem is that they're all about quantity and as a result not very transparent on how services are evaluated. If you want to cover ALL services I can imagine why they took this approach. I do more extensive reviews and that only results in two reviews per week at best - it takes a lot of time. Still I prefer that over potentially listing a site as safe and not being able to explain when things do go wrong. In the end you have to find some balance between quantity/quality I guess (knowing new scams pop up every day).

Regarding Fraud Investigation against Mining Sweden find following Messages from Swedish Authorities:

Dear Sir,

We have received your e-mail. However, it does not seem to be a matter to be handled by The Swedish Economic Crime Authority. I believe that this is a matter for the Police Authority and I have also informed the police hereof.

At the Economic Crime Authority we investigate primarily accounting crime, tax crime, bankruptcy-related crime, market abuse crime and crime under the Swedish Companies Act. For example fraud is normally a crime investigated by the police.

Best regards,

Cecilia Danielsson
Kammaråklagare (senior prosecutor)

Ekobrottskammaren i Linköping
Mängdbrottsfunktionen
Brigadgatan 4
Box 432, 581 04 Linköping
Tel direkt 010-562 92 57, växel 010-562 90 00

cecilia.danielsson@ekobrottsmyndigheten.se

and

I e-mailed the same address as you did, registrator.kansli@polisen.se

So I do not have any more information on who to contact in the matter.

Best regards,

So, send your requests at:

registrator.kansli@polisen.se

 

Thank you very much for your efforts, GoldenHamster.

I wonder if this is a case of buyers-beware (Caveat emptor)? Usually police won't intervene if that is the case.