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Excuse me. The discussion was about what Monero is now (a <$10m mcap), not your projections of what you hope it will become.

Moving the goal posts is doubly REKTED.

>:( >:( >:(

iCEBREAKER

:'( :'( :'(

i so sick and tired of this monero gang who gang up and make bitcointalk altcoin discussion dangerous for all

if you like coin they come and try to f*** with you until you cant stand it any longer. then they say you MUST buy Monero because you are wrong and you will die. Is like crazy american church priest men

i hate this shit

guys just GTFO in your own forum to enjoy your circles there

let us feel peace we deserve. not constantly must bombard us with craps

Perhaps ignore those who get under your skin?

The world doesn't revolve around you buddy.

... dangerous for all
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Lol, someone should start a casualties of shitcointalk thread. How many lives have been destroyed?!1!1?

I remember there was one thread about the batcoin dev getting put into a coma. Any others?

Perhaps ignore those who get under your skin?

The world doesn't revolve around you buddy.

but why do YOU leave negative trust on the accounts of those who criticize Monero? You did that to many profiles.

I don't get it. Sounds very much like an abusive hypocrite to me

What's it to you?
I've only left negative feedback on profiles I believe that deserved it. Otherwise I would be labeled by the admins of this forum with "trust feedback abuse".

Isn't this about you and not me?

You can simply choose to ignore those who get on your nerves.

Don't expect the world to change for you just because you don't like it.

Does the Byetcoin criminal group has any hand in this occasional shitposting campaign yet again?

you with your father currency (Bytecoin) both go to the hell


its time that monero pest is eradicated from the Bitcointalk. Monero is garbage community and here is BitcoinTALK.

GET IT

I only feel pity, may you be blessed with clarity my friend

Hi Risto !  ;)

For as long as you condone your community's abhorrent behavior, then you don't understand what makes open source contribution work.

No one wants to contribute to a group of assholes.

We want to see accomplishments that matter, not words.



And please put a leash on this rabid Monero predator pitbull who lacks reading comprehension (red emphasis mine).


Unfortunately the entire project suffers when you don't disown the bomb throwers.

Remember I fought rpietila when he was preaching that shit. And finally you all disowned him and that Monero Foundation (or what ever it was called, where they were naming themselves individually as Goat of Shire Monero and some hierarchy of reputation/power structure). But you haven't yet disowned these other asshurls who drive your community reputation into the dirt.

I had an amicable, cordial exchange with fluffypony in the XMR chat earlier in the week.

Btw, your key cryptographer shen-noether was also an asshurl to me when I tried to do some peer review in Reddit on your early revision of RingCT. And note I was incredibly ill at that time and he showed no understanding whatsoever for the brain state I was in due to my illness. Just all condescending shit.

And then your community tried to paint me as a whiner, self-important prima donna, or otherwise attack my reputation. Mighty fine community you have there.

Attacked me also because I said I didn't want to work for free as a volunteer. It was always their way or the highway. Join us else you are doomed because they claim to have the best and the brightest. Always sellling yourselves as a 20 year Manhattan Project instead of letting your accomplishments do the talking.

How did Monero get into a thread LISK vs. WAVES?

Why are Monero trolls in every body else's threads?

Is that the trolling marketing method?

Is Monero jealous that WAVES and LISK raised $20m, while Monero has no developer funding and relies on voluntears.  :'(

Example of what this thread is criticizing:

That's a very interesting theory that goes far into the future.

U got me interested now. What is the average age of Munero holders and how many children do they have?

~CfA~

First mention of it was, surprise, a troll post egging on someone who posts in monero threads, just like many other times a thread became about Monero:

Who is forcing you to respond in this thread?

Nobody but yourself.

Do us all a favor and at least own your own actions (like wasting your own time posting on the forum per your own words).

We call it janus-logic: the super position of logical states that can only be implemented with quantum computing.

I see you Monero community have a two-faced logic system because you can't walk your own talk:

So when you come back over and over and over again, blaming people for wasting your time, it's their fault you're posting, right?

I've only left negative feedback on profiles I believe that deserved it.

Well, we knew you are a hypocrite, spammer and FUDder and now you admit that you are a feedback troll and abuser.

We all, on this forum, bow and scrape to the 'beliefs' of the Monero gang and their shills.

We all know that you are Monero FUDer also. For 2 years.
But knowing that we dont reply on your post saying that. Since no one cares what or who you are.


Say something useful and many will care who or what you are.

Well, you obviously cared enough to reply 'The Lady doth protest to much, methinks' - or are you smoothie, reptilia, smooth as well?
We know all we need to know about you - you are a Monero bagholder and are a member of the gang being discussed here.

Let's face it. Monero has three things going for it; Fluffy, the (unique to cryptonote) ring signatures and a fairly healthy market cap - but it has plenty of downside as well, not least the arrogant attitude of it's bagholders that resembles a group psychotic personality disorder.

We all know that you are Monero FUDer also. For 2 years.

Is it bad if someone is a "Monero FUDer"? I think that's better than being a Monero propaganda comrade

Keepin it real, at least

~CfA~

Sorry David but I think that's still better than having 5 huge propaganda threads where everything is deleted other than the official monero-approved propaganda.  And yes I do agree that spam in any case is not good of course.

~CfA~

As i know only speculation thread is minimally moderated

Thank u for making me laugh out loud and literally falling from my chair to the ground, I actually needed that

Also sorry for calling u David, a high-ranked Monero community member told me that this is ur name. Excuse me if it's not the case (I edited da post).

~CfA~

So 3 Monero Threads. and 5 new every week that you and your FUD gang make almost daily

Febo, I don't have a FUD gang, I reject this behavior.  I'm independent.  I would never join sect or similar group/s.

~CfA~

You are on this forum last 2 years and can see what is going on.

Monero to the stars and beyond
Bytecoin? LOL gimme a break dude
~CfA~

AWESOME it was about time for this
Monero to the stars and beyond!
~CfA~

Why do Monero community members fail logic 101 so often?

Obviously the guy has been a strong Monero supporter in the past. Maybe he was disappointed by the community?

I understand your frustration with the trolls. I don't appreciate their posts and also think that it's damaging the reputation of crypto currencies in general.

Why the hell do u call the founders, community managers and advertisers of the Monero project trolls?

That's really weird

~CfA~

I understand your frustration with trolls. I don't appreciate their posts and also think that it's damaging the reputation of crypto currencies in general.

The only way that seems to work against trolls, is to ignore them and don't feed them with your attention/reaction. Trying to stop/fight them, just adds fuel to the fire.

They don't need logic to achieve their goal. They just want to disturb. If you react emotionally to them, they won and it also makes you susceptible to the use of the same behaviour they exhibit, as a last resort to win the fight which cannot be won by reason.

If we don't feed them, they don't get their satisfaction and eventually will stop. So it is in our hand to stop the trolling by acknowledging that we, who react to them, are responsible for keeping that behaviour alive.

Or like Joshua from Wargames put it :" The only winning move is not to play."

@paratox

thing is that trols make 10 accounts and then talk to each other in those 5 daily newly made threads. So even if you ignore them, they spam forum.

Forum is as moderators want it is they have power to stop it but they dont.

I understand your frustration with trolls. I don't appreciate their posts and also think that it's damaging the reputation of crypto currencies in general.

The only way that seems to work against trolls, is to ignore them and don't feed them with your attention/reaction. Trying to stop/fight them, just adds fuel to the fire.

They don't need logic to achieve their goal. They just want to disturb. If you react emotionally to them, they won and it also makes you susceptible to the use of the same behaviour they exhibit, as a last resort to win the fight which cannot be won by reason.

If we don't feed them, they don't get their satisfaction and eventually will stop. So it is in our hand to stop the trolling by acknowledging that we, who react to them, are responsible for keeping that behaviour alive.

Or like Joshua from Wargames put it :" The only winning move is not to play."

Febo, I don't have a FUD gang, I reject this behavior.  I'm independent.  I would never join sect or similar group/s.

@paratox

thing is that trols make 10 accounts and then talk to each other in those 5 daily newly made threads. So even if you ignore them, they spam forum.

Forum is as moderators want it is they have power to stop it but they dont.

I think Monero is a legit project and they are not trying to scam anyone, they are putting hard work into making a coin that is fundamentally different from Bitcoin.

But like I said before, in the future we will have Confidential Transactions and a better and incentivized CoinJoin thanks to Schnorr signatures. And this will make "anonymous coins" a lot less relevant since all markets will be using Bitcoin anyway.

I think Monero is planning on deploying confidential ring transactions in the next six months. When would you guesstimate Bitcoin would get it forked in? Six years?

i so sick and tired of this monero gang who gang up and make bitcointalk altcoin discussion dangerous for all

if you like coin they come and try to f*** with you until you cant stand it any longer. then they say you MUST buy Monero because you are wrong and you will die. Is like crazy american church priest men

i hate this shit

guys just GTFO in your own forum to enjoy your circles there

let us feel peace we deserve. not constantly must bombard us with craps

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Monero has ring signatures technology which is somewhat interesting (although I invented better RingCT named Zero Knowledge Transactions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1211093.0) before they did but I decided not to implement it because that is how valuable I think the anonymity market isn't) and I have at times respected their technical contributions, but the creepy community makes it a pita not even worth considering. They would probably make up some BS about how I am jealous or trying to claim their fame or whatever. Pffff! I don't have time for that nonsense. I want to get real accomplishments and breakthrough technology implemented. So much time wasted on stupid arguing.

I don't encourage any of you to follow my or any other person's views blindly. Be your own person. Have your own opinions. Disagree with each other and ask difficult questions. Explain your positions eloquently. Just please let's be respectful.

We shouldn't want to kill each other over some block chain projects. Crazy.

I think Monero is a legit project and they are not trying to scam anyone, they are putting hard work into making a coin that is fundamentally different from Bitcoin.

But like I said before, in the future we will have Confidential Transactions and a better and incentivized CoinJoin thanks to Schnorr signatures. And this will make "anonymous coins" a lot less relevant since all markets will be using Bitcoin anyway.

You guys that defend Monero exhibit either Dishonesty or Stupidity (or a combo of both)

There is a proven "bad" track record going back 2 full years with Monero since day one.
Your comment dismissed that all.

This shows me you have no clue about the CONTEXT of the matter.
For one thing you guys choosing a side need to KNOW CRYPTO ALTCOIN HISTORY.
Have you been here and contributed every day since before Monero even existed 2 years ago ?
I HAVE !
..and when i fucking say something i mean it !

I have made no claims on Morono EVER that re not provable by simply checking BitcoinTalk history.
It is all there right in front of your noses, yet you all play dumb or bend over backwards to ignore it.

Way back after they launched their clone coin + gimmick.. they orchestrated
a nasty spam / hype campaign here in the ALT main section. (they kept ramping up the intensity of it)
They literally flooded this section with endless topics !

And the nerve of febo to cry about others doing that is rich LOL  :D
What a fucking hypocrite of the highest fucking order !

And you all may think ohhhh Spoetnik's FUD'in ..Well guess what boys ?
There was no DASH fighting back then like 1.8 years ago..
And i had commented a few times how they were laying it on thick.. (i WAS trying to be nice to them)

But !

The people that revolted against them was the average users here !
You all started flipping out on them and making revolt topics saying you were all sick of their spammy hype campaign.

One guy created a "complaint" topic showing a picture with the whole entire first page
flooded back to back with misc Monero related topics
..you could see in the picture who created each topic and who commented last.
And my name was not in the picture people.. so spare the troll crying bullshit.

Some arguing went down and smooth / smoothie and the crew had no choice but to defend themselves.

There was a battle raging and apparently every single two bit scammy ass ShillTard Morono twat
seems to have completely 100% forgotten about all that drama (not the first time they forgot about drama)

In the end.. they railed on about how this community is full of idiots and they were sick of this place.. and that they were going to go start their own forum.. THEN LEAVE !

They did start their own forum i believe and they did lay low because of the massive backlash.
But they of course re-launched their spam / hype advertising hoax campaign ..all over again.

They are more than happy to bitch about this place and bad mouth it (or other coins doing what they do)
and even say they are leaving but in reality they love this place and have no intention of leaving.
They just talk a lot of shit year after year.

They have been caught red-handed spamming the living shit out of this forum section hard!
So much that they really couldn't even try and deny it.. yet NOW they do ? WTF ?

THIS IS WHY I AM SICK OF THESE DECEITFUL BAG HOLDERS.

"They" are dishonest.. they rewrite history when ever it suits them to polish their bad image.
Always making sure their best foot is forward and trying hard not to have their members
caught saying they are "starting Monero Marketing Companies"  ::)

If you act dishonest then that makes you dishonest.. it's not rocket science people.

Their little game is too out post count you.
If you say something negative they fly into attack mode and "handle it"
They are the forum masters at covers and diversions & games.. and advertising.

Risto said he took donated "MEW" funds money with out asking anyone (even though he is not a team member they say) from the "Treasurer" whom once again they say is also not a team member..
Then spent it on a topic here called "Retro Virtual City..

Which "King Risto / reptiela" declared on the MEW topic that it was a "powerful asset" ..
while saying he spent the money on adoption efforts (which is what the donation money was about)

He spent god knows how much of YOUR money to create a forum "game" topic here in Alt-main.
How much ? he would NOT say ! ..he actually defended his behavior to his supporters asking questions insulting them calling them trolls.  ::)

How much did he need ?
(so how much did you get for your "Prized" unicorn you were oh so sad you had to sell Risto ?)  ::)

I also had talked to him before he launched that game where he admitted to me personally on Poloniex chat (where they spam their various coins such as HYP coin) that he had made "thousands" on his previous forum game here..
So i had reported his new game topic as "Spam / advertising" and staff here denied my report.
AND.. Risto's own comments said word for word on the MEW topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.msg12619507#msg12619507)..
"IT WAS A POWERFUL ADOPTION ASSET"

AKA: ad-ver-fucking-tising People ! ..reported  ::)

I caught them !

The comment was made by him i think before he changed name to hide on Poloniex but is still logged on Polonibox i think. (i forgot his newer name he had changed to) that was about 1.5 yrs back.
Which is another thing too..
Why the hell did Poloniex add a whole entire XMR market when it launched years ago ?
All of crypto thought that was VERY weird.. so it's no surprise they live on the troll-box there.  ::)

And the MEW Treasurer was none other than David Latapie who disappeared with MEW donation funds and had been in hiding he admitted word for word as he was involved in some arrests about BTC & Fraud around when the Paris attacks occurred.. later he posted the most intense apology i have ever seen here on the internet and muttered some shit about having a Monero Marketing Company.. even though he was not a member of "The Team"  ::)

And besides people why would a "Not a team member" apologize and say he is sorry for fucking over the entire Monero community ?
Think about it if you just came along and started mining some coin..
And you made a mistake of some kind why would you feel compelled to make the Internets most intense apology to the entire user base + team of the coin you mined ?
Make a shred of sense ?

That is another example of drama i seen here they have denied.
They negged the hell out of me for posting a topic here showing the apology David Latapie made.

They claimed i lied when all i did was copy and past 2 quotes already posted on this forum from another guy..
I did not edit them in anyway or try and lie about what was contained in the quotes.
They flipped out & demanded i was lying and negged me and started attacking me hard.
I never lied about fuck all !

Every word i said is provable and i pledge i have made 100% solid effort here to be honest & accurate.
..unlike Morono ShillTards.

BOTTOM LINE: ?
They need to accept that they fucked up their coin and.. it was a bad gimmick coin to begin with.
And they need to accept responsibility for the demise of their coin and not blame others.
2 year later it is as dead as it's going to get.. they are going no where.
Their only hope is to lure loser here whoa re greedy and want to use Monero to profit on Poloniex.
It has not other use..
An don't forget people their bags are HEAVY !
They had a millionaire who has a castle and Pink Bentley admitting he spent 6 figures 2 years buying XMR
and ever since he has made comments about donating to the coin..
These vile bag holders are in seriously deep and they are desperate.. to get you to buy their bags.

Do as you wish people but i have warned you.. and i speak the truth.
Unlike the Morono crew i am not a greedy fucking liar piece of shit degenerate scumbag "baggy"

Disclaimer:
I unlike Morono Shills have not created additional accounts here to Spam & Troll etc
..or for any reason at all ever !
Nor have i ever had any financial reason or motivation in the slightest to comment about them.
THEY DO and have admitted it !

THEY are the ones who are pushing to get your money etc.. i am not.
I have never had a Monero coin or a Dash coin or any similar or competing coin etc.
I have no dog in this race ..except for some desire for honesty / transparency.
Unlike them !

There are a few zealots in the XMR camp but what large community doesn't have a vocal few? Especially scam coins with all their sock puppets.

I am not interested about your Monero FUD fairies.

I do not consider you my enemy. We've for the most part had cordial discussion between us.

I hope you Monero supporters will soon realize that it isn't the one "real deal", so that you can escape the groupthink "assimilate or die" jail and speculate with a free mind.

And then you will hopefully realize how ridiculous it has been to have harassment trolls such as iCEBREAKER in your community. If iCEBREAKER buys tokens in my project, I will disown him from our community. Who needs him? Where is the leadership in your community.

I had been in support of Monero's experimentation on privacy technology, and well I continue to support its coders in that respect. This isn't an issue of disrespecting Monero's technical work.

i so sick and tired of this monero gang who gang up and make bitcointalk altcoin discussion dangerous for all

if you like coin they come and try to f*** with you until you cant stand it any longer. then they say you MUST buy Monero because you are wrong and you will die. Is like crazy american church priest men

i hate this shit

guys just GTFO in your own forum to enjoy your circles there

let us feel peace we deserve. not constantly must bombard us with craps

AFA Ice, I actually had him on ignore for awhile while he was trolling Dash (and I hate dash for the lying launch that screwed alot of us) because I don't believe in trolling. But he does not make things up and does have facts behind him even though he beats a dead horse far too often which does reflect poorly. But if you go back and check your history you will find you have done that a few times yourself. ;)

I do believe pointing out errors in projects is the entire VC communities job as scams are ruining its lofty goals which far too many people forget in their little infights and turning good honest people away from a future without police states (at least monetarily) and IMO that is the only reason VC is needed.

generalizethis that was funny and that perspective has some validity. I actually agreed a little bit with some of the things Spoetnik wrote.

I would like to make the following point in response. And it is not to say you are wrong or anyone is wrong, but to try to point to a larger issue that gets overlooked in this bickering.

We lose our focus on silly nonsense, while Monero has not accomplished enough to offer a successful alternative to the criminal enterprises that are overtaking the crypto ecosystem.

Monero is focused on not so compelling features (anonymity) and a leaderless community of bickering that is doing nothing to provide leadership for this greater community to give a bonafide rallying cry and alternative to the criminality that is sinking our crypto ecosystem ship.

I don't know if anyone is capable of leading in the situation we are in. This is going to be very difficult. But I don't see the Monero as strong leaders. Too much nonsense they allow. I am not criticizing their coders. I am not even really criticizing Monero, other than to say that as I predicted since 2014, they would not know how to lead. I warned them about that, and they ostracised me for that.

Folks we need to get serious and focus our resources on serious leadership and honest development.

Pronto.

Sorry for the drama, but this my sincere opinion. It is quite urgent actually.

Accuse me of being an opportunist or all talk. That is fine. I don't want to argue it. My point remains.

I am trying to code now. I am only 1 guy. You all hold a lot of BTC resources. Please invest them wisely. You all hold the keys to our future in your hands.

P.S. 5th strong run in 5 days. Hadn't done that for 6 years. Illness is finally starting fade. Which is what fucked up my ability to code for past 3 - 4 years.

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Glad you are feeling better--have you seen a doctor yet?
 
As for sputz, he took an apology from david latapie and turned it into the Watergate hearings--he's an opportunistic exaggerator and all around troll who lives in the myopic bubble of a few well wishing troll-brothers and the illusionary grander audience he thinks he has (though risto's actual influence in the space is probably why he's obsessed with him--just my hunch)...

Glad you are feeling better

But as to your point about leadership, I don't think a single crypto will do that for the entire space--you can do for your own coin and hope others follow suite if the project is fair and honest.

I feel fluffy is a great leader for Monero and his presentations and leadership on IRC during the Dev meetings is always a pleasure to experience.

Monero's trying to fill the gap as cash and doing what it can to make sure it can deliver what it promised

--the development of kovri with I2p developers is an example of attacking a flaw and working with programmers outside the community to solve a problem that the coin alone can't address. I think we get too caught up in this tiny pond with tribal animosity--though it's bound to happen given the different, and sometimes nefarious, agendas.

I like you, Shelby, I think you are smart and understand much I can't, but I also think that about shen, fluffy, smooth and the other Monero developers, so when it gets to name calling between you guys, I try to stay out of it, but I think there is enough blame to go around. I don't really care which coin produces...

@Shelby
How the flyin' fuck could you read what i posted earlier and defend them in the slightest.
Did i not provide far more than enough proof to make it crystal clear these guys are bad news ?
What part of what i said does not give you massive red flags ?
What part do you think was not true ?

-snipped-

He spent god knows how much of YOUR money to create a forum "game" topic here in Alt-main.
How much ? he would NOT say ! ..he actually defended his behavior to his supporters asking questions insulting them calling them trolls.  ::)

-snipped-

Febo told me via PM before David Latapie WAS in the Monero Team etc.
Even though when i posted my French Police Fraud topic they ALL demanded he was not !
And they said that all over Crypto too such as in my IRC logs with them.
(constantly demanding he (Latapie) and Risto were NEVER apart of "The Team")

Then look at this.. Where Risto says..

hi spoetnik just another little part not to overlook:

Febo is David Latapie, it's his main alt account.

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history. 

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

It's okay Febo, I honestly don't even care. U could be David or not, what would it change, what would it mean.

It wouldn't be important either way.

~CfA~

Exactly that. You made this up posted it, then PMEd me with question if I am and then apologized and deleted your post and most likely asked Pistacia to post it again, what you and other will quote latter.  

What matters is on which garden this unimportant lie grow up.


I know who I am so i dont need to check myself if I am really me or not. For others like you who made this up and post it and latter will quote it would be nice to spare few minutes to check it. I showed you few ways.

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history. 

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

To make sure it is 100% clear that my only recent complaint against Monero were the following and nothing else:

1. Their "we are the shit and assimilate or die" community attitude.

2. Pushing it as the only worthy altcoin, when in fact they haven't yet earned that distinction. Just because you claim to have competitive and fair distribution and an open source development, doesn't mean you've actually changed anything yet in our world and ecosystem. It will be self-evident once you do.

I don't think we need to go on and on harping on it.

We who code, need to code. Everyone else relies on us doing so. The more who code, the better.

I think you may be misinterpreting the "We are the only viable fungable choice join us while there is still time before TPTB move against us" for "your coin is stupid capitulate".
:P

Although those arguments do come in the form of trolling far too often but as a community we really don't have control of that and that is what makes it an open community, your arguing for a centralized authority to come in and control which is against all VC  beliefs. Think about that please. You have to take the good with the bad in some situations to achieve true freedom.


I may be wrong but I do believe (even when I'm not holding like right now) that XMR really is the only current viable solution to fungability. If you know of another please enlighten me, and don't tell me about vaporware, I mean a tangible functioning product right now. In the future this assuredly will not be true but right now I believe it to be.

This is indeed true. Unfortunately Monero has periodic forks and thus its mining is not structurally incompatible with protocol fucked by the consensus or even a very powerful hashrate adversary.

So to argue that ring sigs are structurally incompatible with blacklisting is not absolutely true, for as long as mining could change the protocol and force every txn to reveal its viewkey.

Do not forget unlike most of the shit alts XMR is and has never purported otherwise to be in beta.


This is so true, I regret no longer having that ability every day of my life. You never know what you had until it's gone. :)

Perhaps you missed my rebuttal to that "Monero is fungible" sales pitch:


Altcoins can't have assured protocol resilience without assured decentralization of mining AND scaling. Because without scaling, you can't prevent against 51% (or 10X) attack.

You have declined to tell me or the public the exact type of illness or handicap you've been hit with, so I can only empathize and accept your word-of-honor that it is a truly irreversible condition.

But technology is always moving forward. Maybe it isn't totally irreversible forever.

My personal experience is that a physical impediment can make it impossible to code. I thought I was Superman and could code with advanced, chronic, acute auto-immunity disease, but I learned that I had to try to cure that before I could function at a high enough level of energy and mental clarity to code again.

I agree that the Monero shills fill this forum with spam and XMR advertising - every board has hundreds of 'Will monero do this' or 'is scamcoin x better than scamcoin monero' or 'xmr is related to this board because x' posts and threads trying to make monero relevant to every little thing, with the hope that more newbies will buy in.

But creating this thread only gives them more attention - more unnecessary drama only gives them more popularity (even bad publicity is publicity!).  Ignore them, let the monero team circle jerk each other until they get sick and tired of themselves  :)

So i pretty much just see what is in ALT-Main..

BOTH have had their share of spammy antics i think we all agree.
But Monero's 2 year long history is what i noticed..
The Morono crew has been unbelievably manipulative here and deceitful.
They play games..
They have orchestrated spam here that was clearly organized & planned and not organic / real.
I have watched them ramp up a campaign then push this forum to the limit many times.
They push as hard as they can they reel it in hide & play dumb.. then do it all over again.

it's simple: they get paid to spam monero. otherwise how do you explain this people are ready to spam it 24h/7 and usually answer to any post in a matter of minutes? and i believe behind the scenes there are actually 2-3 people that handle around 10 accounts (check writing styles), doing this as a job

it's simple: they get paid to spam monero. otherwise how do you explain this people are ready to spam it 24h/7 and usually answer to any post in a matter of minutes? and i believe behind the scenes there are actually 2-3 people that handle around 10 accounts (check writing styles), doing this as a job

The other problem facing Monero is that their awesome RingCT upgrade just might not be actually desirable:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516067.msg15381217#msg15381217

I say that with a heavy heart, because I invented essentially the same technology as RingCT, named Zero Knowledge Transactions. But I abandoned ZKT because I didn't see the great marketing win. I tried to find some coin to take my technology and no one was interested. Just goes to show there isn't much demand for it.

Monero's problem from the start was that DASH beat them to the first mover advantage of the hype around anonymity. AnonyMint and Gmaxwell had basically ignited that hype demand for anonymity back in 2013. Gmaxwell wrote about CoinJoin and AnonyMint was writing about how anonymity was necessary for fungibility and generally pointing out the coming battle against centralization of mining and potentially blacklisting. Then Mike Hearn proposed that redlisting,  blacklisting, whitelisting crap, and the interest in anonymity exploded.

So Monero was later than DASH on marketing, so they tried to compensate by emphasizing the fair mining launch and rpietila bought some and started telling preaching that it was the only altcoin he would buy after being a Bitcoin-only maximallist. AnonyMint got pissed off at rpietila (his former colleague in silver trading) for prematurely trying to kill experimentation in altcoins. AnonyMint become a thorn in Monero threads and they began to see him as someone they had to destroy reputationally wise.

The bottom line is that Monero needed a market, but the only one they found was the delusion of "we are holier than thou" communism. That is my rough sketch stereotype, but of course there are other nuanced ways to look at it.

I don't see the demand for their technology and I don't see the culture of their community succeeding.

Sorry. And good luck. I could be wrong.

Edit: Monero could have done an ICO back in 2014 and pooled a lot of money to fund development. IMO, they blew their chance to be relevant. But let's see maybe they can shift their focus to corporations and compete with Zcash.

IMO, spoetnik was correct about at least one point, which is that Monero was like a controlled delusion. See my and his prior posts for details.

They cleverly captured the desire to invest altruistically but they turned that into a Jim Jones cyanide koolaid Hotel California, where you can check in but you can never check out, because they convince you that all the other experimentation is useless.

Ethereum may or may not be a scam. Nevertheless I conceived of a decentralized DAO-like concept because of the failure of The DAO. That could end up being a very important concept, way more important than anonymity.

So I think it is wrong to not invest in those things you think will rise in price.

Nature is not a straight line. It is an imperfect zigzag annealing.

No amount of perfect computation can know the future a priori perfectly.

See this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1342065.msg15383820#msg15383820

This entire topic is so bad, is that all you people ever do?

Why are so many people jealous of Monero? It is the best privacy coin. Please just understand this.

Is there a way to make this thread sticky so that it will reside on the first page to warn newbies for the Monero scam?

it's simple: they get paid to spam monero. otherwise how do you explain this people are ready to spam it 24h/7 and usually answer to any post in a matter of minutes? and i believe behind the scenes there are actually 2-3 people that handle around 10 accounts (check writing styles), doing this as a job

Put it in a Hallmark card & sell it.. http://cs.rin.ru/forum/images/smilies/bm.gif
Bumper Stickers ?
Something to sell along with the Monero "Hoodies" in the Merch-Store http://cs.rin.ru/forum/images/smilies/bj.gif

Lol. First time I seen that emoticon. Hail the King of Troll.

Laughing can't hurt. Chillax guys.

...of course the world needs a fungible currency! There is NO other viable coin that can fill that niche.

Even today someone might refuse my cash if they don't like me, but my cash is still fungible.

It's idiots like you that are high up on the governmental pole and can't figure out how to destroy organizations like wikileaks and anonymous.

Although you guys may be right (I think your mixing up zealotry with shilling) your trying to paint an entire community with a broad brush which is patently false.

That is retarded

wrong. i don't mind the monero community, i only dislike the usual spam of few accounts, always the same ones.

That is exactly what I mean by they got their community to drink the Jim Jones cyanide Koolaid. You really believe that lie.

Fungibility is not driven by anonymity but by making it impossible for anyone (even the miners) to alter the protocol.

Even today someone might refuse my cash if they don't like me, but my cash is still fungible.

And how do you store this cash? In your mattress? It is literally impossible for an individual to protect stores of cash and if you use the system then you are susceptible to seizure of those funds. Hey try this, goto your bank and withraw 10k and ask for 1000 dollar bills and see what happens. :)

Edit: my point is privacy technology may be useful, but isn't as Godly-damned-important as Monero's community wants to force us to believe. My only point is chillax.

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All of the above comments are very naive and incorrect. Using multiple addresses and mixing servers doesn't necessarily make your identity unlinkable, as explained in the following quote.

And you say you don't need privacy, but when anyone can see what and when you've been buying things and publish that information loud and clear to everyone on the Internet, do you really want your grandmother to know you've been buying subscription to Playboy?

Do you want all of your finances to be public knowledge?

Credit cards and websites knowing your identity doesn't reveal your financial data in public. But BitCON does!

And it gets even worse if you are talking about obscuring your financial data from national security agencies, which also might have corrupt employees who use your information in illegal ways. Don't forget how the TSA employees were caught masturbating to the nude xray scans at the airports. Extortion is a possibility, tipping off criminal gangs as to your whereabouts and financial standing, etc...

kiklo,

Although I plan on adding a form of anonymity (a new design I discovered a few weeks ago) which I think is more realistic (scalable and doesn't need Tor/I2P) than Zcash, Monero, and Dash, I don't view that as the main feature necessary to overcome the 666 problem in front of us. Nor is anonymity for the mass adoption. Anonymity is going to be there for when you need privacy. If the NSA wants to track what you are doing, it will be almost impossible for you to obscure all the metadata with any anonymity design. The most determined can probably be anonymous to the NSA, but not the masses. For the masses, they just need privacy from hackers.

Per the 2014 quote of AnonyMint in my prior post, I believe the way to overcome is to enable zillions of instant microtransactions and to make the block chain not trend towards centralization (all the block chain designs so far do trend to centralization). In this way, the people will do so many minute transactions and it will be done in a decentralized context, so there is no way to really control it.

The scaling required can't be done with any design that has been promulgated so far that I have seen.

Make it uber popular, decentralized, and make the transaction size so small that it would cost the government orders-of-magnitude more to document every transaction than they could steal with taxes. Given decentralized nodes for consensus, the government can't really regulate the nodes, they must regulate the users.

Take away the honeypot of profit, then the crocodiles go some where else. Let them have their expropriation with Bitcoin and fiat. We go bifurcate the economy.

This has been AnonyMint's plan since 2014 when he first discussed with CoinCube bifurcation of the economy as the debt laden old world Industrial Age collapses, and we usher in a new Knowledge Age.

Finally now all the technology necessary has come into clear view. And AnonyMint is healthy enough to code.

Yeah Litecoin+Coinbase may have a role to play in that old world fiat collapse clusterfuck.

P.S. For those who believe in the Biblical, I think it says the 666 is a mark and implant into our bodies. I believe this may support the notion that the overlords won't succeed by regulating only the nodes, and they will have to regulate each and every human. So maybe it is not yet time for the overlords to win. Maybe we the people do win this time.

And I am saying the only solution to that is a combination of political and also making sure that no one can control the block chain, not even the miners.

Citing anonymity as a solution to that problem is disingenuous.