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As etherium is decreasing, so can we have a reason behind that and what are the future expectations.

I believe because of The DAO hack. The ETH community hasnt decided to hard fork it yet, till a decision is done i don't see it recovering. And if they don't fork the damn thing i guess it is as bad as doing nothing because it affects ETH price directly.

The future expectations for Ethereum from their supporters is that it is the perfect time to buy and that it will go back up again. And some who believe that it will be dead in awhile.

It is because of its hack, and I think it will continue for a few months and people will now never adopt it until they find a proof of its full security.

The DAO hack shattered confidence in the ETH platform and Solidity.

Articles such as this came out, exposing security issues in the language.

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed/

https://blog.blockstack.org/solar-storm-a-serious-security-exploit-with-ethereum-not-just-the-dao-a03d797d98fa#.tpgclo8x7

Don't know exactly what the future holds for ETH, this is crypto ... maybe it recovers or maybe not

     Due to the nature of the DAO attack, which demonstrated a recursive call vulnerability in the Solidarity language for the EVM, is why the price is tumbling. They tried to blacklist the Child Dao that drained the DAO of over 3 million Ether with the soft fork. They quickly discovered that the soft fork was vulnerable to an attack, where the DAO attacker could basically flood the network with calls that would have the miners producing empty blocks for days or weeks. So they had to give up on the soft fork. This has caused an additional fall in price as investors lose confidence in the Ethereum Foundation's ability to solve the DAO attack problem. Right now, the only option appears to be a hard fork. The hard fork option is somewhat unpopular. This also has contributed to Ethereum's downfall in the markets.
     The only hope that Ethereum will ever have is if it can be demonstrated that a secure smart contract, that is complex, can actually be programmed and run on the EVM. Some think that that the Solidarity language running on the EVM is too flawed to ever function as an economical and secure way to run DAPPS and smart contracts on a distributed, decentralized network.

It has a real chance to go to zero, that's why.

Even though I don't understand the technicalities of it, I do believe that's exactly it.  Not to mention that to many eth is just another shitty shitcoin.  I suspect it's going to rebound because of community support but it's definitely in a precarious situation.

They are deamed if they do and deamed if they don't. Between a rock and a hard place.
Vitalik should not have pumped it with the developement fund.

^ This.  Eth was just a banker backed scheme to try and co-opt Bitcoin in the first place.  It really deserves to die anyway.

So bottom line is that after two years they are, at best, more or less at square one. No surprise the price is dropping.

probably some funds come back in the bitcoin capitalization !
in the past I have seen a lot of movement between LTC DOGE and BTC,
or even any coin (DASH e.g.) with a good cap.
we are next to the halving so probably (with DAO HACK) this is another reason why price decrease.

I've been watching that deacrease for a few days, and now and thinking about investing a little in ether.
The hack is one thing that pulled the price down, but the coming halving is another one.
I'm sure a lot of people bet on a price increase on bitcoin side and therefore selling their ether.
By the way, I don't think that halving be good for bitcoin price...

Wonder who will dare to launch the next big smart contract project on the ETH chain...

Also is ETH the most mispelled alt-coin ever?

I am sure it is of the soft fork.
They did manipulate the price of ETH and the DAO last week by pumping it.

But let's be real, if you are an holder and you know about decentralization, would you trust ETH now?

From all I have read today, they have stopped the soft fork plan and moved on in doing a hard fork.
Does anybody know when this is going to take place?

As prior posters have noted, it's fallout from The DAO hack sinking in. Both fell at the time, but ETH was essentially bailed out by Bitcoin's pump; that muffled its fall in fiat terms. To be honest, I was wondering why it held at ~$12 until today.

Just goes to show you, some bad news (news with bad implications over a longer term) is only partially priced into the market when it spreads.

From what I've read, there's no definite date. You'll prolly read about it first at the Ethereum subreddit.

in my opinion, manipulation. eth price dumped hard to 0.014 in one day(hack day) and a few days later had almost a 100% recover. to me, that's was a fake pump to whales get out eth.

now it can die in peace.

I'm going to be completely honest right now; there is a small, small chance that Ethereum will be able to recover from the hack. The community that exists right now is more or less going to be the community it will have for the rest of its lifespan, and that's because those who are still here are the ones that have confidence in it after all the events over the past two months.

I am not trying to spread FUD, but when a crypto gets hacked at the network level, where control is basically lost, it typically collapses due to people leaving and the loss of trust completely. If you can name a crypto that has recovered from a hack that was as in-depth as this one and managed to walk out relatively unscathed, I'd like to read about it.

Stagnation and investor fatique?  who knows.  It will go back up like it always does.  ETH is not going anywhere.

This. I was torn about buying ether and leaning toward doing it before this hack. This hack has easily made up my mind. Never going to buy something like this unless it drops to less than $1.

I think this is the correct interpretation, the recovery was unbelievable and pretty clearly heavy manipulation.

Hard fork for Ethereum is probable, and most likely will happen by next weekend. A lot of Ether will be released back to owners. What do you think they will do with it? Sizeable number will use to buy bitcoin, so look for a bitcoin price increase along with Ether sell off. When you see a sell off in Ether with heavy volume time to buy cheap Ether. Ether price could get as low as $5 with heavy selling. There is resistance at $7 so you should consider buying to hold long term starting at $7 and buying more on way down. Or you could just wait until the charts show a bottom is in place before buying. Any way looks like good chance for Ether fire sale next weekend. Right now Ether and Bitcoin are inversely correlated.

Will the hard fork return the coins so quickly. Will there be a soft fork first to freeze the DAO Ethereum first?

Isn't the price going down because in a couple of weeks massive amounts of eth are released out of the DAO?

Any "investor" that gets their ETH back as a result of this hard fork would be stupid to do anything but sell it immediately.  ETH will collapse soon after the fork is realized.

I bought in to ETH at sub $2 price, so to me I could easily see $2 or lower ETH after this.

Because it is made by a boy...

Yes, price is going to crash hard. $2 a coin seems realistic.

DOA hack, eth hard fork proposed, conflic of intrets of eth devs, comuniti divided, ...

Do you really need more reasons?

I'll clear all the FUD : Ethereum wasn't hacked at all. That was just The DAO. There is not consequence on Ethereum at all.
Then, to reply to OP, that's quite simple : the halving. That's what's draining all the altcoins for more than a month.

So why they want SF, HF if Ethereum was not affected?

with the DAO hack and looming fork? It is only NORMAL that ETH is dropping, in fact BTC dropped worse in similar situations

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4rbff1/what_will_happen_to_exchange_trading_duringpost/

People pull out. Once this is done, ETH can reach new records because investors will be happy about the resolution.  :)

In markets, perception matters more than reality.  ETH is perceived as vulnerable and uncertain, and confidence is low, so people sell and the price trends down.

It was socially engineered to hack itself.

I've been talking about it with some friends and people i dont know too and most of them said the same,because of the DAO hack.
I feel the same,that is why im trying to earn on Poloniex with shorting it but well... i dont like ETH anymore i think... i have enough of this altcoin,simple is that.

I didn't realize there was a actual hack.  I thought it was just poor coding in the dao. 

Here's my take on it.....the first and pretty much first "big Thing" for Eth and it was hacked and all this crap is still in the fan.
So what exactly is Eth good for? It more complicated than most crypto, it's lost a shitload of money.
So tell us what you can do with it?

Basically this? https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*3qi06vSAkq3SshhpfIRVkg.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rc2un/please_rob_my_smart_contract/

by the sounds of it that's exactly what it is. and i don't think it was even poor coding. the dao worked correctly, they didn't foresee the angle the 'hacker' used.

How can anyone prove it wasn't foreseen?

They call it coming to a social consensus.  8)

Good point, as I haven't made up my mind on this aspect yet.

They knew about the recursive call vulnerability. https://blog.slock.it/no-dao-funds-at-risk-following-the-ethereum-smart-contract-recursive-call-bug-discovery-29f482d348b#.ypktf8e5c (https://blog.slock.it/no-dao-funds-at-risk-following-the-ethereum-smart-contract-recursive-call-bug-discovery-29f482d348b#.ypktf8e5c) The problem was that they didn't see there was a problem with two other call functions that could be called recursively when put together. http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/06/18/analysis-of-the-dao-exploit/ (http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/06/18/analysis-of-the-dao-exploit/)
Fail code. (https://www.myinstants.com/instant/the-price-is-right-losing-horn/) :D

Have they even decided on an inflation schedule yet?

I think that they were hoping that if theDAO was a big success, they could launch more nifty smart contracts. Each one could have created big demand for Ether tokens. It would have made Ethereum a big IPO mill. Looks like that plan is a no go, for now.  ::)

Immutability ain't what it used to be.

That is right. After the survival of the Ethereum of this DAO hack, the price will be drift for some time at least.

Why is the Ethereum price decreasing day by day?

Because sometimes things have to decrease towards zero.

This is done to have it go to $1000 within a couple of years.

~CfA~

Well i think it is because of DAO issue thats why the price is decreasing day by day and also thats why the price is decreasing its because ethereum investors are converting their eth to bitcoin because block halving is nearly come..

I do not think the Ethereum holders are converting the eth to bitcoin. If so, the bitcoin price would not drop 10% yesterday.

But we don't know if ETH is still alive by then, one thing for sure it won't reach the said price per ETH.

I could imagine that it is the other way round. Btc users are converting into ether, at least the next few days. Till after halving.
To avoid the uncertainty of the upcoming halving.
This could give ether another push!

That's a kind of roll-back to cancel these transactions. Since The DAO was funded by ethers, Ethereum can do something since that's still its currency.

Given all the coins in this space, ether might literally at the moment the most uncertain bet you can place your value into. If I had to choose between a halving event that has already elevated the price from 450 to 650, or a hacking event that has recently devalued a coin from 20 to 10 dollars, hell, I want the first choice.

TLDR: ether is not a 'haven' asset for bitcoin holders, ESP in its present condition.

It's like acknowledging the uncertainty of the Halving, but ignoring the elephant shaped Ethereum hard fork in the room.

Yeah the hard fork is a big uncertainty, but I don't think it will come before halving...
By the way, when are thy planing to do so? is there some sort of time table?

I think about price of ethereum who going down it is just fluctuating of price there are not special about that. Every cryptos always be fluctuating even if bitcoin its self. But it is just my opinion using tecnical analysis.

Lets tell the brutal truth.

Since some of the Eth devs and leadership are most likely amongst the biggest DAO bagholders and stand to take a massive loss they used their privileged position to roll back history and save their own bacon.  Most likely at the expense of every person who believed in ETH....

Sorry but changing history and rolling back the blockchain has never helped any altcoin and i suspect it will kill ETH too.  I recommend dont be a bagholder

Just  because the DAO be stolen, and I think the ETH will be rise slowlly!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1541452.0

It depends on the community support. If it still supports it after the hard fork, the price could rise very soon.

Yes Ethereum is of course a very nice project that is still in the baby stages.

U have to give it a little time and it will come again in the 1k-10k region or so ;D

~CfA~

You might be right. If there is no community support and it has bad reception of the hard fork, the price could drop.

Congrats, this is the most delusional comment of the day!!!!
Eth will never survive this, wake the hell up people!

If you read between the lines, you might find he think the Ethereum price will drop a lot from current levels.

Because ethereum is trending down and there are time end of trend down, if it happen so we can buy ethereum because it will going up again and i like if price of ethereum going down because i can make profit with it.

It is better to buy the Ethereum when the hard fork happened, and the stolen funds are returned to DAO holders.

No sorry, with 1k-10k I did actually mean 1000$ - $10000 USD /ETH.

This *could* happen within 3-5 years of time because the Ethereum now is still a real baby.

It will grow

~CfA~

actually i think ethereum will never go above its ATH anymore. and even if there is a small possibility it needs a lot more than just time. there are a lot of problems with it. like the massive amount of manipulation this coin has and the fact that it is heavily premined and the price is being controlled strictly .

Maybe over 3-5 years I could see this passing it's all time high. But they will need the time to regain the trust they lost with this DAO shit. There will always be a 'hot new coin' and I think it will take a lot of marketing to make an older, 'failed' coin as attractive as 'the next big thing' (which was Ethereum, until the DAO dropped the ball.) Also, this coin price is as real as a free lunch. Swung like a blind batter before the hack, now it's stable despite the news.

'The Ethereum Foundation headquarters blew up today in an alien assault? Guess I should keep holding..'

I think the price of ethereum will now continuously go down unless a big company come to support it, as people have lost their trust on ethereum, and now they are waiting for a strong guarantee for ethereum, I think someone have to start a signature campaign with etherum payment as nowadays signature campaigns are powerful means of advertisements.

I think the Ethereum community has not lost confidence. There are still many posts about the Etheruem.

I think better to don't expect for ethereum it may be lose or crash in the future because of the dao issue also some investors are lose trust about ethereum because of dao.. better to dont invest to ethereum better to stay at bitcoin because bitcoin will rise again soon because we are still not seen any changes of the price after block halving..

If there is no community support of the Ethereum, the price will go to zero. But if there is good support, the price will rise.

as others have also mentioned a lot of times before, ethereum has always been a full on manipulation coin so the price has never depended on the community support because even from the begining of all things, investors didn't like the large amount of premine ico.

Investors do not like the large amount of premine ICO, so why the Etheruem is still over $9, not zero?

The problem is that Ethereum needs corporate CTOs to be successful... not social media slackers.

Imagine a corporate CTO saying,

"I love the way dudes cleaned up the nuclear plant that melted down because they were drunk...
Let's build the future of our company on the smoldering remains of that disaster".

i dont think it can survive !!!

If there is good response after the hard fork and the stolen funds were returned to the owner, the price will rise.

"Coinbase is continuing to cosy up to ethereum with its addition of direct buy methods later on this month. With the price battered by DAO dilemmas and forking problems, the positive boost has been welcomed by the ethereum community. After the integration is complete you will be able to perform direct buy for ethereum with your credit card - just as you can for bitcoin."

sourse; Daily crypto market update from cryptocompare

That could boost the Ethereum price. But the market of Ethereum in the Coinbase is smaller than some other exchanges.

ethereum is old news now, and with the scandals that it had in the past it is hard for people to trust it anymore, it is a lot of money that's no joke.

so it is time for new coins to start growing and replace ethereum and take the market from it.

After the hard fork, people will trust it more. This is the first time the voting of the community to take back stolen money.

 ::)
"guess it's time to merge this pull request https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/pull/264/files"


https://i.imgur.com/mr1R0RV.png (https://i.imgur.com/mr1R0RV.png)

Somebody stole my 666 ETH yesterday. Can we hard fork again please? ;)

Put it to the community to vote on.

Pretending your centralized ICO scam coin is controlled by democracy ?  :D

As usual you are a fraud (which is part of the reason for the topic title)
..people are waking up to the unfair scammy nature of it and bailing on it.

There is good consensus of the miners decision about the hard fork, so there could be good results in the next few days.

ethpool.org and ethermine.org:


https://i.imgur.com/v4GtqPp.png

So far the hard fork is a good success. The main chain is much longer than the other non fork chain.

The hard fork is a new news for ethereum and it makes bitcoin for the people to take interest in it, and I think if people will not take interest in it then at least the traders will do trade with it.

So far, the hard fork is a good success. The main chain is much longer than the other chain. The price is rising.

Today, the price is levitating due to some black magic I'm not privy to. OP, we might have to eat a slice of humble pie. But I haven't put on my bib yet. Let's give this a little more time.

I'm wondering if all this uptrend is predicating the mother of all shorts. We will see.

Who knows  ::) maybe it will back to .014 btc or less. This uptrend is highly manipulated and I don't know why the smart people are still trust 'ethereum', what it will happen the next time when another big smart-contract will be attacked and maybe its ether will be drained again... will they run a hard-fork again ?

The price is fluctuating between 0.018 to 0.019 now. Maybe after absorbing the selling due to dump, the price will rise.

I hope due to hackers attack only it keep reducing, but many supporters of eth are saying that, now it is the right to buy eth for low, definately it will rebounds very soon. Many supporters and community people are keep buying eth, due to because eth has large market.

The Ethereum price has already rebounded. The question is how long will be rebound be and how high it will be.

The price of the Ethereum has dropped about 20% from the recent peak. That is due to the listing of ETC.

The combined price of the ETH and ETC is quite stable. So many people are trading between ETC and ETH.

The ETC price is dropping against the ETH at the moment, in fact for the last few days. Maybe the dump has started.

whales pump etc, dump eth. Or pump eth, dump etc. It is a vice versa relation. Easy to speculate

That is a good observation. The ETC/ETH price is doing like that, and also the hashing rate of each coin.

It is rather amazing that the ETH/ETC price stays up.  Because its main value proposition, complex smart contracts, has been demonstrated not to be reliable.  So one wonders what people speculating on ETH/ETC are still hoping for.

The volume is higher on the ETC actually. Maybe people think it is the pump and dump coin, so they trade it now.

The ETC trade volume is quite high. That maybe because most of the miners will sell the ETC they mine instantly.

Maybe the fame is slowly fades away now?  Who knows, and maybe also people are deciding to sell their coins now so they can buy again at the cheapest price, maybe thats the basic explanation we can really tell for today since we don't see big changes for the price as of now, maybe the best thing to do is to wait for next month and see what will happen for the price of that coin.

so etherium have a good future or not? so risk if i stay in this coin  :-\

I think the Ethereum has good future. It has good development and the good community support. The price will be higher.

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