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http://qz.com/725828/a-startup-is-trying-solve-bitcoins-child-pornography-problem/

This is a very alarming article, and this is one of the reasons why the government should intervene with the bitcoin transactions to stop this kind of nefarious activities. It is not only used in pornography but also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin to terrorize cities. This is a big call to all government to monitor the illegal operations in the cryptocurrency economy. This things must be stop with the help of the government for our safety and childrens welfare.

It is sickening that this type of stuff happens, but bitcoin can not be blamed for this. There are enough other methods to get money switching hands, even more private ones like fiat cash.

I don't think the payment part is the problem, they should focus their attention on the platforms where it is distributed. Those have probably become harder to track as well.

i dont think that bitcoin is responsible for such activities. i think the media the porn sites the the call girls and the atmosphere is responsible for pornography in children. because all these facilities were already available before bitcoin exist. i ma using bitcoin for such a long time but still i never find any such situation or feeling in bitocin.

Its the same age old argument that fiat money helps increase the spread of illegal drugs, prostitution and guns. Any kind of trading platform will be used for trqading anything that has value to someone. In this case it child pornography. Bitcoin doesnt help this anymore than any other currency could. Even if we banned bitcoin child pronography would still spread just like banning fiat would have no impact on drug sales.

you don't stop the tool that bad people use for their bad activity you stop the bad people directly, stopping the tool is never an answer

it's easy to blame bitcoin like government want to do anyway, that is just being lazy from them

stop cryptocurrency and the problem still up,if the government gonna take down the problem so just perish the core of problem not cryptocurrency which have nothing to do with those form of criminalities,and the news always mentioning bitcoin while so many altcoin around there is part of cryptocurrency too,bitcoin can be traced but some of another coin cannot

Well, digital cameras and cell phones with cameras are the real culprits here...

Is there any startup trying to solve the GoPro child pornography problem?

True, bitcoin is only used as currency to buy and sell. Removing bitcoin would do little in stopping these sickos. If we take away all the recording devices then they will be left with nothing to make the videos with! But that would be impossible as one can buy a recording device for very cheap in pawn shops.

Very incorrect. Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous,transparent ledger. The government, nor someone else, can't tell whether a TX was used e.g. to buy groceries, or to buy drugs.

A rare, yet fine argument from your side. Whenever the media talks about "Bitcoin used in X, bitcoin used in Y" it is just paid propaganda. Of course it is going to be used for everything because it is money and that is what money is used for. Why doesn't nobody talk about the dollar, which I assume to be the currency being used in most illegal stuff? Oh yeah, because it doesn't threaten the banks.

you always find what you look for! if you are looking for child pornagraphy and searching for it then you find ways to do it and find news about it, and bitcoin doesn't change anything about that. if bitcoin weren't created there would have been another way these filthy people go about it.

Sad but true w already know it bitcoin is already use to illegal activity .but ithink it will not give negative site to bitcoin users.we all know even without bitcoin it is already happen all around the world using Fiat.

That's incorrect. Elliptic, for instance, is already tracking txs associated with illegal activities, including cp, e.g.

http://www.coinfox.info/news/5867-blockchain-to-help-tracking-child-porn-consumers
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/06/startups-seek-to-de-anonymize-bitcoin-to-fight-crime/

Governments *did* find a way to hinder, if not stop, those criminals.
By controlling Bitcoin :)

Even if the government intervenes and start regulating bitcoin,the criminals will move to some altcoin and

start using dogecoin,litecoin,etc...

This is not the solution and the problem isn`t bitcoin itself.

Yeah its need to stop and those kind of people are the one who adding bad image on bitcoin and resulting for many countries and other government to not to adopt bitcoin  >:(. I hope that this kind of activities will be stop by government soon so it will clear the bad image and let bitcoin to become a legal currency on most of the big countries  :-\.

Then they'll regulate alts. One step at a time.

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

Track the CP stream back to the source and the real culprit is definitely cameras.


I have noticed a lot of people linking addresses, payment amounts, etc. to make reasonable correlations between illegal vendors and their customers.
Sure the blockchain isn't something you can skim through and pick out illegal transactions, but the tools are there to identify these people.

Between the blockchain's transparency and traditional means of law enforcement, it's hard for me to understand how bitcoin/blockchain is seen as an enabler for this activity when it's been going on long before bitcoin and bitcoin makes the transactions publicly visible, unlike the USD which keeps everything as confidential as possible (practically encouraging shady behavior)

We should also crack down on people disrespecting the supreme leader. Everyone knows that only a disturbed criminal can disrespect Kim Jong Un. Come on North Korea, let's kill these rats.

 ::)

Are you advocating for government regulation of bitcoin and alt-coins holistically ? Might not be in the right place, if so.


Even if the payment is seamless because of bitcoin, I'd love an explanation on how they're moving these "Weapons of mass destruction" "quickly, cheaply and anonymously through the internet", I'm all ears, because otherwise fiat cash could be exchanged simultaneously with the weapons of mass destruction. His point was that the payment method is negligible on that issue, because it would require a PHYSICAL exchange regardless.

This kind of thread makes me sick, the only problem of the world is people doing business with bitcoin, something they dont keep and always were doing with fiat. Soo close bitcoin to return those markets to the fiat, bitcoin is damaging people, stop just open your eyes, bitcoin as fiat is being used for legal and ilegal business, and nothing to do against it can be done.

I'm explaining how things work IRL. If you're looking for a bitcoin hugbox, perhaps it's you who is in the wrong place :)


I'll give you a hand:
1. Look at the topic of this thread.
2. Realize that it's about child porn, which is exchanged via the intertubes, requiring no "PHYSICAL exchange" of shit.
3. Feel like an idiot.

It's not a question of what we should do, it's a question of what will be done to us.
Now then, WTF are you talking about?

uh, i think it's pretty hard to refute that it has made monetizing evil shit easier.

but if they somehow 'get' bitcoin then it'll move to monero and on and on and on. it's too late to go back now no matter what they try. i hope they get better at catching this human garbage.

Your right, SO why dont the governement just lock us all up in a nice cozy padded cell and then we will never be harmed again, great idea....... ::)

You were having an exchange with groll about weapons of mass destruction and I was simply commenting on that.. Not sure why you're calling me an idiot.
Then notice that the thread IMMEDIATELY headed in a direction that spoke of the entirety of bitcoin for illegal purposes and continue to berate me about what the title of the thread is, please.

I'm not looking for a bitcoin hug-box, but a key-feature of bitcoin is it's "decentralization" and lack of governmental regulation. To suggest that we just let the government regulate bitcoin and allow them to centralize it seems sort of idiotic. How things work "In the real world" is corruption and depravity, should we continue that cycle?

Do you remember Liberty Reserve? USD is exchanged over the intertubes too, should we negate e-commerce?

I am just pointing out that when you want to stop illegal activity you should consider who's law you are talking about. In Saudi Arabia it is punishable by death to not believe in God. So if someone buys a book like the God Delusion should they be turned in to be executed? In the DPRK a person who does not recognize the divinity of the leader meets the definition of "criminally insane" and is subject to death, is that cool? In some countries it is illegal to be gay, should we stop them from using BTC?
And what about guns and drugs bought legally? It is a more complicated question that child exploitation, which has been used for decades to spy on us and deny our rights.  

so, just to be clear.
if bitcoin dies tomorrow, will child pornography end? no, right? so the problem isnt bitcoin.

there are other currencies, there are other ways to send payment and, as far as i know, bitcoin is losing space to other altcoins with more anonimity(in deep web of course).

The topic of this thread is actually true.
When i was surfing darknet i was scared because i have seen so many people looking for /selling CP videos or something that,
it looked for me back  then like it is a only CP market ...
Im annoyed that is not possible to track most of them.

No I was not.
That's why.

"The government" (If you have bothered to read the linked article, you'd know that a Bitcoin startup is partnering with International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK) is not asking for your permission to regulate Bitcoin, the government *will* regulate Bitcoin as it regulates every other currency, as in AML/KYC compliance. This is not something we can choose away or wish into the cornfield.
Suggesting that governments can't regulate Bitcoin is no smarter than flipping off a cop when your trunk is full of shit that shouldn't be there. Pro tip: don't do it.
And centralization is neither here nor there. Bitcoin is not a special snowflake just because it's decentralized.

I don't think that this statement is true.
Realistically, in every age we had people who liked child pornography or any kind of pornography.
Before Internet age they couldn't harm to much children but Internet get them great tool to find even more child pornography matrials.
So, shouldn't we stop Internet in order to protect children?
We can't do this, of course since benefit of Internet is much greater that danger which comes with Internet.
It's the same with Bitcoin.
If we stop Bitcoin, this will not stop child pornography, not at all.
It's sad reality that people can use any new technology for the good and also for bad, in the same time.

Let's just take a step back since it's all been figured out by MayorMccheese.  ::)

• The governments are stepping in to take-over bitcoin and there's nothing you can do about it.
• Bitcoin is not a unique currency
• Decentralization is unimportant to bitcoin

Does that about sum it up? (Regardless of how irrelevant you're getting to the subject matter of this thread, which you hypocritically berated me for.)

Well I don't mind if Bitcoin is to be regulated by the government, as long as you are abiding the law, you don't have to worry about anything.  Im still thinking, why do one people need to hide something that is legal in all means?  About child pornography,  Bitcoin is used as payment, nothinig about Bitcoin is promoting child pornography .  


this is true, if bitcoin dies tomorrow child pornography still goes on.  The people behind should be the one to stop because, they will always find new ways to do their illegal activities even if Bitcoin doesnt exist anymore.

We should stop regulating hand grenades, because people still manage to kill each other without them. Sound logic.
Bitcoin is an ideal way to monetize child porn. Just like hand grenades are an ideal way to kill crowds of people. Get it?

Yeah, the other currencies are regulated. That's why less convenient than BTC.

True, there are always the pros and the cons, although, I'm pretty sure, this conversation started with the invention of the Internet, and that's beyond banishment, it's just a matter of adaptation and criminals are always one step ahead of law enforcement, eventually they will catch up.

Im not saying that we should stop bitcoin,only because it is a reason that caused a spread of
child pornography over the dark markets,it just one of it's cones.
But i think we need to do something about this,it is not alright.

>The governments are stepping in
No, a bitcoin startup has partnered with a UK non-profit. Learn to read.
>Bitcoin is not a unique currency
Every currency is unique. Which is not to say that the laws which apply to other currencies don't apply to BTC. They do.
>Decentralization is unimportant to bitcoin
No again. Decentralization is important to Bitcoin. But it doesn't exempt Bitcoin from the same laws which apply to other currencies.

Stop playing dumb.

Internet's existance also has increased the spread of child porn, should we ban internet now?

 You can't cure an illness by banning technological inventions. You cure them by raising educated and wealthy people, healthy families etc.

I read about the non-profit, but you added quite a bit to that as well. You made things confusing when you say that governments will regulate bitcoin no matter what, as it does with every other currency, and then return to me and say "The governments are not stepping in". Can you clarify what the hell you're talking about then, or why the non-profit was relevant to my original point or this thread to begin with?


Which MayorMccheese do I side with?




You just had this conversation with RodeoX, so I'll leave it at that :
What internationally acknowledged laws is bitcoin currently not abiding by that would fight child-pornography? This is where our argument comes to a concise and clean conclusion, I pray.

If internet caused more harm than good, we should. Since that's not the case, we shouldn't.
Who said anything about curing an illness? Did you bother reading the linked article before spouting platitudes?
Since I know you're not going to bother, here's a TL;DR:

"On Wednesday (July 6), London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic announced that it was teaming up with International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, to curb the cryptocurrency’s role in the spread of child pornography."

I can assure you, the article does not propose to ban Bitcoin, and teh gubermint is never mentioned.

Are you saying that bitcoin has done more harm than good? If you are, can you please elaborate?
Bitcoin is a child of the internet, so if you argue that bitcoin is harmful than the internet is at least as harmful as bitcoin.


The illness he's referring to is pedophilia. That article addresses some wonderful points, and this is why I'm not interested in arguing back and forth, but simply ask the question
"How can we make bitcoin "safer"? , but it is not the greatest evil at play in these scenarios.

ELY5:
If we don't police ourselves, which is what the bitcoin startup is trying to do, the gubermint *will* step in and do it for us. Without asking EthanB for his consent.

What part of "decentralization does not exempt Bitcoin from currency laws, which means decentralization is neither here nor there" are you failing to grasp, EthanB?

I didn't see that post, have not replied to it, and thus was not a part of a conversation. Will read and reply.

"Internationally acknowledged laws" WTF would those be, and how is this relevant to our conversation? We're talking about a bitcoin startup partnering with a non-profit to fight child porn.

Sure. It made it much easier to create scam companies (see securities section of this forum), steal people's money (Pirateatfourty, TradeFortress, Mt.Gox, etc.), enabled illegal internet gambling (which preys on the poorest and dumbest), is consuming as much energy as a small country, etc., etc. And, of course, there's the topic of this thread: child porn.

Now you tell me the good things Bitcoin has done, and I want specifics.

Nonsense. Every serial killer and child molester is some mother's child. By your logic, those women are evil too.

The article is not trying to cure pedophilia, it is trying to curb child porn. How is this difficult to understand?
Feel free to go and work with the pedos, and, as soon as they stop molesting kids and making/distributing child porn, aforementioned bitcoin sturtup will become irrelevant. Easy.

Ethan I am playing devil's advocate here. I would burn a pedophile in a fire as quick as anyone. But it is a tricky thing when you get into the details. For example I would be appalled at a website that connects grown men with 13 year old girls. But what if that practice was the norm in some country? Should my ideas about how people should live be imposed on the rest of the world? Why, cause I'm a rich white American? And should women here be arrested for not covering their hair because it is a law somewhere else? What if in their country it is far worse a crime than child porn?
Our own (U.S.) history is also filled with immoral laws. When I was born you could be jailed for marrying a black person. Therefore this argument would have supported tracking bitcoins so that no one buys a marriage licenses outside of their race.  Addressing the worst things on the darknet is going to be difficult if we are to preserve our rights.  


EDIT: @MayorMccheese about the post below.

All good points. I agree with those methods. My concern is any system that devolves into a which hunt.

Activity illegal in my country, e.g. raping prepubescent children on camera.
You're comparing religious freedom with raping loli?
Let me explain how this goes: Neither the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic nor the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, have enforcement wings. This means that at best, they could report child rape to relevant authorities.
Now, you may feel that child abuse laws are random and arbitrary, and, in a way, they are, but that's a different conversation altogether.

Guns and drugs bought legally are legal guns and drugs, thus neither the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic nor the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, have any fricking thing to do with them. Simple.

We're talking about fighting child-porn entirely, through policing ourselves (bitcoin community / protocol) and you seem to be stuck on a single non-profit organization.. which is actually a great example of somebody doing something. I don't understand your need to insult or to be hostile, when I'm agreeing that it's a very convenient medium for this activity and asking you what you think should be done. It seems as though your only response is "The government is gonna take care of it, because we're incapable".


I keep asking you, What would you like to see changed within bitcoin that would make it "safer" and fight child-pornography? In an attempt to "police ourselves"


No part of it, I'm just wondering why you're directly contradicting yourself within 15-minutes of conversation, talking in circles when I'm asking a very direct question.


You keep going on and on about how bitcoin needs to comply with the same laws that other currencies do, because it would help fight child-pornography and illegal activity, and I'm asking, What laws specifically are you talking about?




 By that logic we should dismantle the entire idea of currency, because it mediates between every profitable criminal act ever committed. Is USD / EUR somehow a moral high-ground?


 Wrong, the criminals you speak of are independent of their mother. If the mother carried the serial killer and child molesters while they carried out this evil, then they are evil. If the mother knew of the evil being committed and that is was entirely dependent upon her, yet she continued to allow it, then yes she is evil.

Watching an image (or a film) is not the same as "making it" (this does not mean I am condoning that).

The serious issue here is not at all associated with the selling of images or videos but with the making of them.
(as bad as such things are you can't claim that 1K people watching such a thing hurt the child more than 1 person watching it)

And I think everyone here knows that the vast majority of such material has been paid for in USD (so ban that first please).

You, as "a rich white American," should keep your ideas of right and wrong to yourself, and stop sticking your nose into other people's business. If beheading non-believers is what they do, that's none of your rich white American business.

You should also let the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic and the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, do what they do, and keep your ethics to yourself.
Is that what you want to hear?

No it is not. And that's why the punishments are different.
Knowingly buying stolen goods is also not the same as stealing, and that's why the punishment is different there too.
Now you know.
A factory that makes widgets which no one buys is a bankrupt factory, there's that. If child porn can't be monetized, it removes money as an incentive for making it. Sure, it would still exist, there are sick people out there, but fewer kids will get fucked up.

So show us the "proof" that factories based upon BTC (and not USD) are the major creators of child porn please.

(my guess is you can't do that because it is just bullshit that you have made up)

^
Non-sequitur?
Did I say there are "factories based upon BTC (and not USD) are the major creators of child porn"?
Do you know what an analogy is?

So what exactly is it that you are saying?

You know that USD is the major currency for child porn but you think that people should hate BTC because it "possibly could be used" for the same thing?

Your point has no point - it is just stupid (perhaps you are paid to make such stupid posts here).

Anyone culturally /ethically / religiously different should have no part in the rest of humanity's affairs? We should let non-profit organizations "do what they do, and keep our ethics to ourselves", is there no accountability on their behalf or limit to their reach of discretion?

I'm a very poor white american, 90% of the people I have ever known don't even make Poverty wages. I come from a ghetto in New York where multiple people are shot and killed every single month over drugs and pocket-change. I personally know multiple woman who were raped and abused by the hands of family members or friends. I know too well what it's like to lose someone to violence, or to lose someone psychologically to abuse. It's insulting as hell to make assumptions about "white americans".

As a white-american who knows women who are ruined emotionally/psychologically from rape and abuse as a little girl, I definitely see child-pornography and how it's monitored/prosecuted as my damn business.

Humanity , Civility is ALL our business, especially when it comes to how we treat the children of the world.

Oh - "the humanity" and "what about the children". :D

Guys - do you know that gold can be used as a medium of payment for "child porn".

I suggest you try and get gold banned immediately worldwide!
(and in fact all money - as surely any money could be used to procure child porn)

ELY5: If he feels that it is not his rich white American place to dictate what constitutes child rape, it is also not his rich white American place to tell others which laws are *UN*just, e.g. beheading non-believers.
Because intrinsic consistency.


And that's fine. As long as you understand that you're imposing your cultural bias and arbitrary mores on others, which Rodeo finds so abhorrent.

Don't be cruel .  ::)
My point is that human beings should be able to live without feeling like they're a monetize-able object from birth (girls), and no one should fear a be-heading for seeking wisdom/knowledge.

To say we have no right to regulate monitoring/prosecuting, yet those who monitor/prosecute can regulate all that we do.. Is just a damn scary idea to me.

You are making zero sense.

If you want to control everything then you should control the USD and all other cash - is that your goal?

(and if that is not your goal then why on earth are you picking on Bitcoin that is a fraction of the USD being used for "child porn" and any other illegal thing you can think of)

I'm probably "making zero sense" because that quote was for MayorMccheese telling us to leave the Non-profit monitoring organization to their own devices without imposition of ethics. I've agreed with everything you have said so far, so...  ???

Is that what you're getting from me?! That's ... amazing ::)

This is a seriously flawed topic.

Bitcoin's economy is not even a sizeable fraction of the USD or any other major currency so to try and imply that it has somehow had some major affect upon something like "child porn" (with zero evidence) is just crap.

If the OP has actual "proof" that Bitcoin is used more than USD or other major currencies then please provide it.

1. Child porn has lower market cap than bitcoin.
2. plenty of evidence.
During his nine years of offending, he forced victims to pose with horrific slogans advertising his foul images, which he sold for Bitcoins on a notorious paedophile website on the dark web - the encrypted version of the internet.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620004/Britain-s-worst-paedophile-Richard-Huckle-admits-scores-attack-children.html#ixzz4Dq9N5AKA
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https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcoin+pedophile&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

What I'm getting from you is avoidance..
I've asked you at least 3-times at this point, What laws is bitcoin not currently abiding by that other currencies abide by which make them less likely to be used for illegal activity (e.g. Child-porn)?

I'm not trying to be clever, I can not think of any and I'd like to know if there are any.

And where are all the links to people that have sold child porn for USD (or you seemingly have *none* of those at all)?

If you want to be taken seriously then why not try and be honest for a start (you are not)?

Yes you are trying to be clever because you are trying to insinuate that no child porn has been sold for USD (and I don't think that anyone on this forum is going to believe that).

AML/KYC laws, for starters. But Bitcoin is more than a currency, it is also a payment processor. So this: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-security-financing-idUSKCN0ZL1RH is another step in the right direction.

I'm not sure why you've fixating on this, I merely pointed out that Bitcoin is not exempt from currency laws by virtue of being decentralized.
Which part of that don't you agree with?

You enjoy taking statements out of context (like me calling out Rodeo for being inconsistent), and asking me to defend them.

ELY5:
1. I didn't suggest that child porn would vanish if Bitcoin complied with laws applicable to other currencies.
2. I said that Bitcoin is not exempt from those laws by virtue of being decentralized.

Do you see the difference, or should I clarify further?

should terrorists and child pornography are spreading only because of bitcoin.i don't think so they where present before it and now atleast we know which system and how they are dealing so it gives a chance to stop them

I agree it isn't exempt by virtue of being decentralized. Although I also notice that the most reputable bitcoin exchanges, at least half a dozen follow AML / KYC compliance. These laws can't be pushed into the bitcoin protocol feasibly, so it makes sense that these exchanges are compliant. Any exchange that is not compliant is subject to the AML / KYC laws within their jurisdiction. So where's the problem?

Do you believe that it needs to be centralized in order for it to be properly regulated, that bitcoin mining need be AML / KYC Complicit, or that countries be more strict with their approach towards bitcoin and it's components?

What exactly is your gripe about the state of bitcoin in relation to KYC / AML laws?
The reuter's link you sent was decent, but it seems like it doesn't actually address the issue, it simply minimizes it or makes it slightly more inconvenient to perform. While I agree this is a step in the right direction, those regulations were for only EU companies unless I'm mistaken.. So unless we can enforce the same rules globally, there will always be a country that is a Laundering-Haven.

Seriously - if you think all transactions in the world should be traceable then you surely think that the major focus should be upon uncut diamonds and precious metals (they are of far more significance than Bitcoin is).

So once you have succeeded in preventing all other money laundering then maybe we look at Bitcoin (as there is no evidence to suggest that Bitcoin is used much for that at all).

It is pretty clear that the idiots making these posts are working for authorities (who don't mind staying corrupt but just don't want to risk losing power).

Of course "These laws can't be pushed into the bitcoin protocol feasibly," that's the gist of Bitcoin's appeal.
And while there are exchanges that comply with AML / KYC laws within their jurisdictions, that's a small comfort -- Bitcoin is borderless, so compliance with Somali laws doesn't help me much in US.

Neither. Centralized Bitcoin is grossly insecure, and, as such, a pointless exercise in waste and goldbergian complexity.
And I don't think that countries *should* tighten Bitcoin regulations, but if we fail to police ourselves, there *will be* stricter regulations.
Do you not see the difference between "should" and "will"?

Again, you are asking me to defend a statement that I have never made.
Again:
I have no "gripe about the state of bitcoin in relation to KYC / AML laws." I said that decentralization does not make it exempt from those laws, thus is "neither here nor there." Centralization is irrelevant to this discussion. It's a non-issue, and should have never been brought up by you.

How else can I explain this? What remains unclear? Please point to a single specific thing I could clarify, phrase it as a single question, and I will try to answer it so that we could move on.
Now then:

Complete nonsense posted above.

There are simply "no universally agreed upon laws" so you can't try and apply such a non-existent concept to Bitcoin.
(are you a government lacky of some sort?)

Again - where are these universal laws about gold?
(surely they would form the basis of what you are wanting to see)

What do you think should be done to make bitcoin less appealing or unusable for illegal activity such as child-porn?

You brought up a valid point about the non-profit reporting incidents they sniff out, and I'm just looking for elaboration & collaboration on how we take it far enough to police ourselves, so it is not imposed upon us. It's unfortunate they cannot enforce the laws of local jurisdictions, but only report it to undoubtedly over-worked law-enforcement.

How can we act upon their intelligence better as a community / currency ?
What can we do to police ourselves?

I'd hate to hear arguments against everything, and answers to nothing.

What are the people that find gold doing in this regard?

Why are you expecting that Bitcoin should have more responsibility than *any* fiat currency that exists?

Basically you should be calling for the end of the internet as those nasty images you are complaining about are sent using it!
(oh - not going to blame the internet?)

Exactly, blamind bitcoin here is insane, its not even anonymous way of payment. Its very not anonymous :D opposite to FIAT which is almost 100% anonymous.
Bitcoin was blamed for drugs first now child porn :/

The government uses as a pretext bitcoin to associate it with all of the shi t that happens in dark net or deep web (call it like you like). The government try to make bitcoin look bad as they don't want the people to have full control of their money, they just want to have persons under control by using banks which can tell you that you cannot spend for example 1 mln USD overnight without a very good explanation. With Bitcoin you can do that and no one will ask a thing to you.

All of the sh it of dark net used to exist in clear net before then when TOR appeared around end of 2001 to 2003 all the online criminals moved to this platform. Government should try to stop criminals and not blame bitcoin if they choose to use it as a currency. Its not bitcoin fault, its the criminals fault.

MayorMccheese is the one expecting these responsibilities, claiming that fiat has already enforced laws and refusing to reference what those laws are. I am just simply asking what, if anything, can be done to combat the pain-point of the thread.

And what I am pointing out is that the relevance that Bitcoin has to "child porn" is about as much as say "PayPal" (although in all likelihood less).

So if PayPal aren't doing anything (specifically) then why does Bitcoin need to be doing something?

For the most part people who are buying or selling BTC are using exchanges that are actually quite regulated (so it is actually not at all comparable to the "wild west" of the US during the "gold rush").

To even create a topic with "child porn" in it just indicates that this topic is nonsense (perhaps the OP likes that sort of thing).

To me, all laws are just ideas a person made up. Ideas come and go and change with the culture. There is nothing backing laws other than our sense of what we think should be law. When slavery was law it was understood that other races were inferior and needed a master. Now we would consider freeing a souther slave as an heroic act and breaking the law as a good thing. We also consider the shooting rampage in Orlando to be the hideous act of a monster. But make no mistake, our great grandparents would have hoisted the shooter on their shoulders and paraded him around as a hero. He was the only person at the club that night obeying gods laws.

Because of its anonymity a lot of people are using it for their illegal wishes, but for that we do not have to blame bitcoin and the problem is not with bitcoin but the problem is with their minds, they because of their dirty mind try to use bitcoin for that reasons, besides this a lot of people are getting benefit from bitcoin and they are using it for fair means , so if bitcoin was harmed they will lose their incomes.

Bitcoin shouldn't have to change if Paypal, fiat and everything else is not held to the same regard. In fact fiat should be expected to go the extra mile because of the simple magnitude of which it is used.

That's why I told ya earlier we agree  ;D

The problem: bitcoin's anonymity and what people here call "censorship resistance" -- difficulties it presents to regulatory intervention -- are the very things making it attractive to us and pedos. So any solution which removes anonymity/frangibility is going to be a non-starter.
1. Not denying that problems exist.
2. Not turning a thread about a bitcoin company working with a non-profit into "OMG, dey toork r freedomz!!"

You're starting with a faulty assumption: all problems have (attractive) solutions. This is not the case.
I don't see any obvious solutions. Which does not mean that it's OK to lie by pretending there's no problem, or attacking those who try to ameliorate it (bitcoin startup).
Taunting Teh Man ("popo can't stop Bitcoin because disruptive blogchain technology!") is an equally bad idea.
TL;DR: no one cares if you move weight from your apartment. Jackboots only show up when your neighbors call them about crack hoes shooting up in the elevators at 3 in the morning.
If we stop assraping each other and tone down pushing ponzis, illegal gambling, dealing carded shit and pirated software *right on this forum,* things would start to get *better*. Nothing would get solved, mind you, but primum non nocere, which, according to Google, means "first, do no harm."
Baby steps.

You know why pedos and DNMs don't use PayPal? Can you guess?
inb4 PayPal rapes with fees: that's not it, try again.

Well ya. When a bunch of people live in close proximity to each other, they come up with laws which are acceptable to them. Those who break those are punished. When these people, henceforth "society," change, the laws change too. In the mean time, they get along without killing each other, which is, arguably, a good thing.

Laws are, by definition, restrictive, so you can't always do what you want. This is a bummer, but it beats coming home and finding some bro raping your television because anarchy.

There are horrible, unjust laws. The people who fight those laws and break them are rebels, heroes.
This does not mean that we do not need laws, or that every douche who breaks laws is a hero.
Just like there are foods that will give you the runs like you won't believe, but this doesn't mean that all food is bad and we should just stop eating.

Mayor, you and I are in agreement. Hell, my Dad was a cop. I believe in laws, but I do not think we need moire of them.

Oh, please. It's wrong to blame money for what is done with its help

I agree with others, we shouldn't blame bitcoin for something wrong, the main problem is sick people with wrong minds and unmoral behaviour, goverment intervene will not help.

But child pornography and sexual abuse have existed for years and even centuries before the existence of bitcoin. Of course all those illegal activities can take advantage of cryptocurrencies to carry out these criminal activities, but even if bitcoin would disappear, these activities would continue because any currency is to blame by itself, but the existence of a huge demand.

I dont think there is any relation between child pornography with existense of bitcoin there are completely different things and bitcoin have no relation with the child pornography

Wait, what? You think freaks and perverts will stop raping children if crypto currency is heavily controlled and Bitcoin has created more of them? Bitcoin has increased the spread of child pornography? I bow to the troll master. I'm in the presence of greatness. Matthew, is that you? LOL

Its not because of bitcoin. Bitcoin have facilitated such things as drug, arms, and illegal prostitution or raping but these things were already happening before and will continue to happen even if bitcoin is controlled. Bitcoin got nothing to do with it.

we can not blame bitcoin for this. bitcoin is just a money processing system and it depends on us that how we use this. its the same thing like a terrorist used bitcoin for his transaction and people thinks everyone who use bitcoin is a terrorist.

Here we go again, so now I should be ashamed to be user of bitcoin network or whatever?
Because bitcoin is evil invention designed  to support illegal activities like watching child porn or buying drugs or illegal weapons.

Let me tell you something, there always were and always will be some sick perversion of any kind.
If you think that because bitcoin is now leading cryptocurrency and it can be used to purchase some illegal content so the market will grow bigger?

Blame guns for every death caused by firearms, blame drugs for everyone who overdosed, and never blame people for their stupidity.
This ideology will kill us someday.

In as much I respect your opinion , I wwill want to disagree with you on that in the sense that irrespective of Bitcoin all these social vices has been there even before the advent of Bitcoin but I agree that government should just keep watch and quench all these threats against the society but not to ban Bitcoin or control it because in as much as people are using it in a negative way, thousands are still making income through this means... My 2cents...

Ah it's just a small contribution though; take for example the new Pokemon GO augmented reality game; indirectly it's causing a danger to kids and people everywhere because they are venturing in places they shouldnt go and taking risks. Its just the same for Bitcoin; it wasnt intended to increase the spread of child porn rather its used for trade exchange.

People have been sexualizing kids since the dawn of time. The true issue is how much easier it is to proliferate shit like this around the world, due to the advances in communication technology. This isn't a bitcoin issue, this is an internet issue. And God knows how much differently things would be if this all encompassing technology had never came to be. For better and worse; it's a necessary evil, the internet.

This is why idealistic assholes always go on and on about "privacy" and anon coin projects, even Bitcoin was once hailed because of its privacy (that started to fade because it was actually harmful). The way I see it, there should privacy but there shouldn't be anonymity. Gun/drug dealers, pedophile, money launderers, tax evaders, etc, those are the ones that benefit and that's always the bottomline.