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Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

I dont think this is the case at all. If the world we lived in today died for whatever reason then in thousands of year syou would still find remnants of what we have today. theres so much waste produced like plastics loads of cars and electronics. If sophisticated things like these existed many years ago then something would have been found by now but it hasnt.

I dont think this is the case at all. If the world we lived in today died for whatever reason then in thousands of year syou would still find remnants of what we have today. theres so much waste produced like plastics loads of cars and electronics. If sophisticated things like these existed many years ago then something would have been found by now but it hasnt.

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?

I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

Actually, Graham Hancock and others are showing that people had great technology in the past. For example. Moving 300 ton to 1,000 ton chunks of rock is something that is cost prohibitive for us to do. But the ancients moved multitudes of them.

I live up the road from a quarry. I've seen exactly how "cost prohibitive" it is to move huge amounts of rock: not at all. ::) Furthermore, it never has been very hard to move big rocks at any time in history. While I understand how such magical devices as wheels, ropes, and pulleys may seem like "great technology" to the simple-minded, I can assure you they're not.

Actually, Graham Hancock and others are showing that people had great technology in the past. For example. Moving 300 ton to 1,000 ton chunks of rock is something that is cost prohibitive for us to do. But the ancients moved multitudes of them.

Just because the ancients didn't use plastics doesn't mean they didn't have technology. Youtube search on "Graham Hancock" and watch some of his videos. Also, Google and Youtube search on "pyramids Bosnia." There are the red bearded miners who mind copper in the Great Lakes area of the United States in the ancient past. Ancient peoples were way smarter than we give them credit for, maybe smarter than we are.

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I think you highly underestimate what slave labour can acheive. The techniques to move these massive stones have been proven before using simple tools like wooden rollers. And back in this day life was a lot cheaper than it is now, You could easily throw as many slaves as you wanted at building whatever you want. Technology had nothing to do with it.

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

Please stop talking nonsense LEARN SOMETHING ..RELIGION IS MAKING YOU STUPID..
THIS IS HOW THEY MOVED BIG BLOCKS 1 MAN IS DOING THIS..
Now imagine a 1000 men..YOU MUST WATCH AND YOU WILL SEE HOW IT COULD BE DONE..
No MACHINES..

Man Moves Huge Blocks! - YouTube
Video for Man Moves Huge Blocks!▶ 6:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

Its possible as there are documentary. Maybe because of nuclear wars, our civilization reduced to ashes and was reset to stone age. I think theres one  :Battle of Gilgamesh"?

No time in the earths history as technology been like today's technology..
Now prove your documentary..So i can rip it to shreds ;D

And you wonder why this planet is at constant war..THICK PEOPLE..
Why does everyone think life was like HARRY POTTER... LORD OF THE RINGS..

GROW UP YOU FUCKING DICK BRAINS >:( >:(

AND YOU BADECKER I SWEAR YOU ARE A FUCKING DICK BRAIN TWAT
I CANNOT BARE IT NO MORE THE SHIT THAT COMES OUT YOUR MOUTH..

FUCKING PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKING THIS PLANET SHIT >:( >:( >:(
NOW GO KILL YOURSELF YOU STUPID TWAT ;D ;D..

NOW FUCK OFF  BADECKER WITH YOUR STUPID THOUGHTS DAFT TWAT ;D..

Muslims reading what Christians say and then they say even worse bullshit..
STOP IT :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Do you know what MUSLIMS GO AND KILL CHRISTIANS.. CHRISTIANS GO AND KILL MUSLIMS
And do us all a favour and kill each other NOW FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SHITTY BACKWARD FAIRY TALES..
I HAVE HAD IT WITH RELIGION ..HOW CAN HUMANS BE SO THICK..
I hate it when people talk bullshit..We got a planet to run and people speak like BADECKER.. >:( >:(..
I am off this forum TO MUCH BULLSHIT RELIGION..Seems to be getting worse not better..
Yes we know BTC IS AMAZING ..But it was invented by a human not GOD..
You think Badecker was from ungabunga land :)..

And fuck you with newtons law..Is that the only science you got told about thick shit..
NOW FUCK YOU AND YOUR BELIEFS DAFT CUNT ;D

THANK FUCK WE GOT OUT THE EU..We would of had all these backward thinkers coming to the uk
to spread there bullshit backward thoughts amongst our people..NO WAY FUCK OFF..

It's so fun watching you stammer around in your inability to cope with contradiction. LOL!

It remains to be seen who will last, Britain or the EU. But the people will lose if they focus on either.

So show me how your modern technology is doing anything greater than that of the ancients.

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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(..The fact that many more humans can survive better and the fact people are living longer ;) ;)..
You don't think you can argue your facts by saying at the end of all your answers
AND GOD SAID :D :D..Who give a shit what god said GET REAL DUMB ASS >:(

WE THE UK WILL SURVIVE ANYTHING WE ARE TO SMART FOR BULLSHIT ;D ;D

It is NOT a fact that people are surviving better and longer. And we can all see from your posts that people are becoming stupider... well, at least some people.

 ;D

The bible clearly stated that in the time of Noah and even after, there were giants (hybrids formed from women and demons).

These giants - of course being strong -  could have done all those things that we need machines for nowadays.

The bible clearly stated that in the time of Noah and even after, there were giants (hybrids formed from women and demons).

These giants - of course being strong -  could have done all those things that we need machines for nowadays.

Yes only we've never found the remains of these giants,  there s more likelihood that we where using jcbs to do all the work back then.  Probably the more realistic idea to be honest.

WHAT?..Man you must live in a cave..Go and enjoy your corn flakes brought to you by a tractor..
Are you for real people are living longer and the fact people will live till there 150 years old in the future in the near future..
YOU ARE SO STUPID IT'S UNREAL..GO DO SOME HISTORY ..AND NOT BIBLE HISTORY ;D

At the beginning of the 20th century, worldwide life expectancy was less than 40 years of age. Today the world average stands at around 70. The single biggest reason for this miraculous leap in longevity has been our ability to cure diseases. Vaccines, antibiotics and advances in medical technology have changed the game. We are still in an arms race against many diseases, but we stand at a unique period in human history where it's possible to imagine a day when we have conquered disease.

Cures have been found for several of history's most feared diseases, and a few diseases have been eradicated. Here's our list of deadly diseases cured by modern science.

Tetanus
Though most commonly associated with rust and infections caused by rusty nails, tetanus is actually not caused by rust itself. Rather, tetanus comes from the bacterium Clostridium tetani, the spores for which can often be found on rusty surfaces. The disease is characterized by painful muscle spasms, most often in the jaw (thus the term "lockjaw").

Luckily, the disease can be prevented with regular vaccination. In places where regular tetanus shots are given, such as in the United States, the disease has been nearly eliminated. According to the CDC, only 233 cases of tetanus were reported in the United States between 2001 and 2008, mostly the fault of people late to get their scheduled booster shot.

Rabies
Capable of being transmitted across the species barrier, usually through biting, rabies is a threat to virtually every species of mammal. It is characterized by nervous system conditions such as excitation, paranoia, anxiety, confusion and even fear of water. Hypersalivation is also a common symptom, making the sight of any animal foaming at the mouth a terrifying experience.

The good news is, the disease can be prevented by vaccination, even if the injection occurs shortly after initial infection. Since it is most commonly transmitted via biting, there's usually little doubt about when transmission occurs.

Though the disease can be difficult to control among wild animals, it has been successfully eliminated from the dog population in the United States.

Polio
The triumph over polio is one of the great success stories of modern medical science. Once among the most dreaded of childhood diseases, it has now been eradicated throughout most of the developed world. Though epidemics do still occur in the developing world, a global eradication campaign remains underway. A polio-free world is likely only a few years from becoming a reality.

One of the most famous people to have had polio was President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was diagnosed with the disease when he was 39. He is shown here at the Yalta Conference in 1945 with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill (left) and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin.

Yellow fever
Transmitted by mosquitoes, yellow fever gets its name from the yellowing of the skin and eyes (or jaundice) that is a symptom of infection. Jaundice is also an indication of liver damage, which can lead to death. Though there is no known treatment for the disease once it is contracted, it can be completely prevented through vaccination. Today it has been eliminated from the United States, but still occurs in tropical South America and Africa. Travelers to these regions are often required to get the vaccine.

Rinderpest
Rinderpest is essentially the cattle equivalent of the measles virus. Though it is not a danger to humans (it only afflicts cattle and other ruminants, such as buffalo and deer), the virus has nevertheless been a major threat to humanity because of our reliance on these creatures as farm animals. After a vaccine was developed, the disease was targeted for global eradication by the World Organization for Animal Health in 1994.

The last confirmed case of the disease was in 2001, and in 2011 was officially deemed eradicated.

Whooping cough
Named after the "whooping" sounds made during the uncontrollable coughing symptomatic of this disease, whooping cough is caused by the highly contagious Bordetella pertussis bacteria. Coughing fits can often last for weeks.

Though the disease can be completely prevented through vaccination, it has tragically made a comeback in recent years.

Measles
Most commonly characterized by a rash that begins on the face and spreads throughout the body, measles is a serious condition that can lead to brain infection and death. Though historically a devastating disease, it has experienced steep decline ever since the early 1960s, when the measles vaccine was first developed. Today it is administered to most children in the United States via the MMR vaccination.

In 2011, 222 measles cases were reported in the United States, the highest level in 15 years. Previous to that, only about 50 cases of measles were reported annually in the U.S., most of which were contracted outside of the country.

This thin-section transmission electron micrograph (TEM) shows a single virus particle, or virion, of measles virus.

Smallpox
Responsible for an estimated 300 million to 500 million deaths during the 20th century alone, smallpox has been one of humanity's most merciless scourges. The virus primarily attacks skin cells, which leads to characteristic bumps, or macules, that form all over the body.

The smallpox vaccine was the first successful vaccine to be developed. It was discovered by Edward Jenner in 1796, after he noticed that people who caught the more innocuous cowpox virus seemed to be immune to the smallpox virus. A worldwide eradication campaign in the 20th century eventually led to the destruction of the smallpox virus. To this day, it remains the only virus that afflicted humans that has been 100 percent eradicated. The last known case of the disease occurred in Somalia in 1977.

NOW instead of reading bullshit BIBLE BOLLOCKS read what i just posted and LEARN SOMETHING DUMB ASS..
NASA do talks nearly everyday on science and technology I suggest you watch some of NASA
programmes and you will see what the future holds ;D..

YOU SPEND YOUR TIME READING BULLSHIT..READ TRUE FACTS..YOUR MIND IS WARPED..

NASA AS SOME OPEN SOURCED PROJECTS.. Anyone can join the space race ;D ;D
GET REAL BADECKER ..
Use your reading skills to read facts science and you will help us more..
You read bullshit and then go on to talk bullshit..NO HELP WHAT SO EVER ;D ;D

So who done all the things for the giants bigger giants :D :D :D..So the giants done all the work for the little people then slept on the floor
outside with no shelter :D :D :D :D..DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BRAIN..

Most of the big stuff done in the past, that was not done by the giants, was done by harnessed mastodons, mammoths, and dinosaurs. The earth is only about 6,200 years old. And Noah's ark was large enough to hold even the dinosaurs.

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You are the one reading the BS. Much of NASA and the medical are simply lies. For example, we are finding out that NASA for a fact posted fake pictures about their moon landings back whenever. And most of the epidemics that vaccines supposedly cured by the medical, had all but run their course, anyway.

Wake up and see that you are being royally lied to by those in authority. And the bit of truth that they maintain, makes their lie all the worse.

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:D :D :D..Projects you can get involved with so how do they lie..Also medical science you can see with your own eyes it works and how it works..

I watch NASA everyday go around the earth..Now yes they do cover things up..WHY.. Secrets..I know why but that's for you to find out why
It's to do with technology that's 1 clue ;D ;D..
And the way your mind thinks your far from ready knowing why ;D ;D..
We have to learn our selves rule of law..SO GET REAL..

Mwahahahahahaha.

Medial works. Just give them your money and hope and pray. Heart disease was going to be cured in the 1920s. Did they lie?

Wake up, bud. They have you so entrenched in believing the lie that you can't even think outside the box.



The fact is that you don't know what you watch when you watch NASA go around the earth everyday. Hop on a rocket and go up there and take a look, so that you know just exactly how much you are being shown the truth, and how much they are lying to you.

Flat earth people are nuts. But in their craziness, they have revealed the lies that NASA, the government, the medical, and the taxation people are throwing at us everyday.

You and your faith in the occult! Masons are the biggest lie of all.

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Have you ever wondered how space exploration can impact your daily life? Many of the products in your home exist on account of the advancements made through NASA technology and research. These are inventions that highlight how space exploration spreads through our lives in a positive way, enhancing our well-being and daily activities.

NASA’s main objective has always been to explore and better understand the cosmos, but a large amount of the technology that has been developed by NASA for space exploration has been introduced and utilized here on Earth, benefiting the public in a multitude of ways. We come in contact with these products everyday, products that you probably didn’t know were created and/or influenced by NASA’s research and development.

It’s no secret that a number of countries have invested a good portion of tax payers’ money into space programs, leaving some people questioning whether their money could be spent in better areas instead of investing in space exploration… But the fact is, there have been many inventions developed by NASA that we use every day, inventions that improve our quality of life here on Earth, and technologies that have awakened our economy. NASA has over 6,300 patents to its name,

Memory Foam..Insulation..Ribbed Swimsuits..Portable Cordless Vacuum..Water Filters..Invisible teeth Braces..Scratch Resistant Lenses..
Freeze Drying..Workout Machines..Insulin Pumps..Infrared Ear Thermometers..CatScans.. Better Software..Aircraft Anti-Icing System..
Cochlear Implants..Land Mine Removal..Solar Energy..Smoke Detectors..Artificial Limbs..

Some invention from NASA..Plus USA and Russia were at a technology war with each other so i imagine lies come from both sides..
But now they are on the same space station sharing knowledge..YES THEY DO..They both get a wake up call 7am to 7.30am to discuss the days work and what they will be doing threw out the day..

A good government wont tell the public everything..IT'S HOW THEY TRY AND KEEP YOU SAFE..
You know so you can walk up your stairs and get a bath and then come down to switch your tv on and watch your Sunday Worship program and then come on here and talk BULLSHIT just like your worship program...

You talk that much BULLSHIT I think your starting to believe your own BULLSHIT ;D ;D

How in the world retarded can you get? Google "pollution" and look at the images of it. Part of the images are what NASA produces with its ungodly and unholy advancements.

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Yes only we've never found the remains of these giants,  there s more likelihood that we where using jcbs to do all the work back then.  Probably the more realistic idea to be honest.

whats jcbs? I might just buy that giants actually. giants had been written on the bible and there were remains of giants being discovered as i can see on youtube. :)
even today there are giants.  Aren't tigers giant form of cats?  ;D

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

whats jcbs? I might just buy that giants actually. giants had been written on the bible and there were remains of giants being discovered as i can see on youtube. :)
even today there are giants.  Aren't tigers giant form of cats?  ;D

Yes only we've never found the remains of these giants,  there s more likelihood that we where using jcbs to do all the work back then.  Probably the more realistic idea to be honest.

JCB is the most common brand of mechanical diggers availible. Those videos on giants that you may have seen on youtube have been proven to be fake for sometime now. Theres no doubt that we had people back then that some would tyhink as of giants just like we do in this day and age but not to the extent that they would make moving large rocks any easier. For this you need either hydraulics or mass slavery. Both work quite well.

But the argument still stands that if we had this advanced technology in the past then why do we not have any remnants of it now? Nothing has been dug up containing electronics metal or any other kind of advanced machines.

I got it :) Its not popular in our country. its usually the Caterpillar that  I notice most of what the construction companies.
its been said that the granite stones as big as those blocks of the pyramids can't be lifted by these heavy lifting inventions really. so yeh i still believe giants exists. the environment before is healthier than today infact people live up to 800 years old.

People didn't live till they where 800 years old back then.  They would have been extremely lucky to reach 30, in fact 30 would have been considored old.  I think you should not take the Bible or any religious text as your main source of facts,  it is extremely outdated and even more inaccurate than it is outdated.  The conditions we live in now are far healthier than they have ever been and generically our age is limited. 

People didn't live till they where 800 years old back then.  They would have been extremely lucky to reach 30, in fact 30 would have been considored old.  I think you should not take the Bible or any religious text as your main source of facts,  it is extremely outdated and even more inaccurate than it is outdated.  The conditions we live in now are far healthier than they have ever been and generically our age is limited. 

I think it's you who looks the retard ;)..People only got to read what i been saying compared to what you been saying..And it's not looking good for you..
Also pollution i thinks that all the people in the world FARTING causes more pollution than a rocket going into space..
So you need to keep your mouth shut because all the farts that come out your mouth is causing POLLUTION ;D

You are the one reading the BS. Much of NASA and the medical are simply lies. For example, we are finding out that NASA for a fact posted fake pictures about their moon landings back whenever. And most of the epidemics that vaccines supposedly cured by the medical, had all but run their course, anyway.

Wake up and see that you are being royally lied to by those in authority. And the bit of truth that they maintain, makes their lie all the worse.

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The Bible says that people lived that long back then. Why can we trust the Bible? Because it hasn't changed.

The Book of Isaiah in the Bible was written about 2,500 years ago. We have found copies of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls. These copies have been dated to around 2,300 years ago. They are almost the same as the copies we have today. What is the significance of this? Here's what.

The Bible was copied accurately by the stubborn people of Israel over thousands of years. Moses, who wrote about the people who lived 800 years wrote accurately. Israel scribes copied what he wrote accurately. What he wrote was important enough for them to copy because the things they wrote about him were truth - the miracles in Egypt, and the things that he said and did when he met with God.

Moses, being a prince of Egypt, wrote from the records that Egypt had 3,500 years ago. Those records have fallen to dust long ago. But Israel scribes preserved it accurately for us for all time in the Bible record.

In addition, even our science that shows that entropy is working in everything, shows that our age limits are breaking down, just as all complexity does.

In addition, there are 3 or 4 places around the world (Hunzas and Vilcabamba are 2 of them) where people live well over 100 years, all without modern technology. Rather, Google "pollution" and look at the pictures to see how we are destroying the earth with our modern technology.

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Woah woah woah, so you think medicine is not real? Then you should stick on what the bible says about curing a certain disease, sacrifice a bird and splash it on the patient or in yourself.

Woah woah woah, so you think medicine is not real? Then you should stick on what the bible says about curing a certain disease, sacrifice a bird and splash it on the patient or in yourself.

The Bible says that people lived that long back then. Why can we trust the Bible? Because it hasn't changed.

The Book of Isaiah in the Bible was written about 2,500 years ago. We have found copies of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls. These copies have been dated to around 2,300 years ago. They are almost the same as the copies we have today. What is the significance of this? Here's what.

The Bible was copied accurately by the stubborn people of Israel over thousands of years. Moses, who wrote about the people who lived 800 years wrote accurately. Israel scribes copied what he wrote accurately. What he wrote was important enough for them to copy because the things they wrote about him were truth - the miracles in Egypt, and the things that he said and did when he met with God.

Moses, being a prince of Egypt, wrote from the records that Egypt had 3,500 years ago. Those records have fallen to dust long ago. But Israel scribes preserved it accurately for us for all time in the Bible record.

In addition, even our science that shows that entropy is working in everything, shows that our age limits are breaking down, just as all complexity does.

In addition, there are 3 or 4 places around the world (Hunzas and Vilcabamba are 2 of them) where people live well over 100 years, all without modern technology. Rather, Google "pollution" and look at the pictures to see how we are destroying the earth with our modern technology.

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because its so old is the reason you should be discrediting everything in it. the people from that time where uneducated compared with todays standards .  Absolutly anyone could have written that book and chances are it would have been someone in power who would just write what he wants which means making up whatever he wants. Its absolutely shocking that the bible can even be taught as fact, In this day and age people should not be taught false information. Anything taught should be based on hard facts which the bible contains none.

Why can we trust the Bible? Because it hasn't changed.

The Book of Isaiah in the Bible was written about 2,500 years ago. We have found copies of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls. These copies have been dated to around 2,300 years ago. They are almost the same as the copies we have today.

What is the significance of this?

Yes it has. You even admit it.

But not exactly the same. You'd think God would send a proofreader.

Not much. After all, what difference does it make if there are 150 Psalms or 151? Or 155? It's close enough, right? And the Longer Ending of Mark 16 is just superfluous extra detail, right? It's not like anyone would make it a major part (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling) of their church service in an attempt to get closer to God (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling#Deaths). Nope, all the changes in the Bible are only minor and not significant at all. ::)

The people of today, even combined, are totally ignorant when compared with God.

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And that's a totally ignorant comment to make.

Your blindly assuming on "faith" that such a god exists. And all you have to back up your claim is a completely outdated story book written in a time when things where far different than they are now.

Its time to give up your gods and move on.

If the bible is proof of god then the comic book is proof of the super hero.

Man made the comic book. God made the Bible through man. God made the super hero.

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One simple example that bears out what I say is this:

People can't make life. People can barely make robots that can reproduce a little... if they are given enough "stuff" that it takes for them to reproduce. So far, the closest that people have come to making reproduction is in some computer programs - all virtual.

Now, look at nature and see the countless thousands of varieties of life that abound all over the place, and reproduce in vast multitudes so great as to virtually make it even impossible for man to erradicate it all should man so decide.

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Science is the story book that proves God exists. If God didn't exist we wouldn't have at least one of the three (but really, none of them). The three are:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

You have a brain, right? Think it through. Since the above 3 items of science exist, God must exist. I am not talking about God as described by any religion. I am simply talking the real God.

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If your not talking about god as described by religion then what god are you talking about? are you just talking about nature? Because in the religious sense of what a god is science only proves that there is most likely no god. And the bible is proof of nothing other than humans being good story tellers.

I'm simply not explaining God from any religious point of view. Don't forget, science is religion.

Because cause and effect exist with entropy, there must have been a beginning to this universe. Before there was a beginning, there must have been something able to configure the universe before it existed. This something was highly intelligent to be able to make cause and effect produce the intelligence of man after thousand of years of cause and effect activity.

Think it through. Whatever IT is, IT matches our definitions of "God."

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Id have to disagree. I wouldnt consider something like the big bang as a god.

A god would have to be a sentient being with some intelligence like you say and if it was around to create the universe as you use in your arguments then its logical to think that something must have created this being because it couldnt have made itself. So does your god have a God? It must do.

And if your god denies it has a god then perhaps your god will burn in a hell for eternity?

Anyone who thinks there is GOD will always feel there is God.
If you don't believe there is GOd, who do you wish what you wish? Aren't fairies considered god?
I worship a celeb...can't I consider this celeb a god?

The people of today, even combined, are totally ignorant when compared with God.

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Woah wait, if people are so ignorant then we should be progressing in our lives like what we're actually experiencing. Open your eyes dude, those people that stuck their head in religious views see how their country develop(they progress so slow).

People can barely make robots that can reproduce a little... if they are given enough "stuff" that it takes for them to reproduce. So far, the closest that people have come to making reproduction is in some computer programs - all virtual.

Science is the story book that proves God exists.

Robots literally means worker, not copy of human. Robots are created because greedy boss think your salary costs to much  :D.
The life science is what you should focus on: cloning,  growth of organs from cells..

The goal of science is to discover more about the world, not to prove god exist or not. Example of scientific problem, how to cure malaria?

The point wasn't robots. The point was reproduction. People are barely developing robotic form of reproduction a little. God developed it all around us in nature in many forms in quantity and quality.

I think we should focus on God. Why? Shortcut. If we focus on God, He just might tell us how to make our robotic forms of reproduction really work.



The goal of science is to seek knowledge. If that knowledge shows us God, the creator of all things, we are especially blessed. Why? Because God made all the things that science looks for. Ways to cure diseases are in nature that God created. Malaria is easy and cheap to cure. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jY2yab0uLc. Youtube search on "MMS Jim Humble malaria."

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So your god created something only to create something to destroy it..

Well am not god?..would you not create it in the first place ::)
So now your telling me your god is a DUMB ASS ;D

God is love. In love He created the thing we asked for - corruption - because we asked for it. Then, when we found out that we didn't like corruption, and asked for the cure, God created the cure, as well.

He's your God, too. Hopefully you will willingly accept Him before the Judgment. Because you WILL accept His existence and authority in the Judgment, but then it will be too late to switch sides.



You said it, not me. Change, while you still have time.

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I never asked for MALARIA  ???..
ALL ABOUT THE MONEY ALMOST EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE MONEY..
So me and my family can have the best things in life..
People will do anything for money just go and ask that nutter who as got that online peep show she or he do anything for 10 rubles..
Imagine there was a god you must harass him every 2 minutes..He be pissed at you let him at least have his dinner..Yer he so big it takes 20 years to eat it..So any chance you can shut up and leave god to eat his dinner..20 years no more god he pissed at you wasting his time with all these daft questions..And also he said FUCK NEWTON ;D

There we some scientific claims in the bible which science had only confirm few years ago. And i guess what was written on the bible were better than today. if it were true that science weren't that progressive during bronze age then bible authors must have learned more during that time than what we've come up lately.

There we some scientific claims in the bible which science had only confirm few years ago. And i guess what was written on the bible were better than today. if it were true that science weren't that progressive during bronze age then bible authors must have learned more during that time than what we've come up lately.

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

i think you watch the video of ancient aliens. ahahhaa. there so many theories and documentaries about that. buy they dont have a strong supporting to their claims. for me it is important on what happening. i dont care about what happened in the past

There couldn't have been devices and computers because there was no microchip  :)  Technology of 5000 years ago is all mechanical movements (weapons of Greek, Egypt)

Computers that other peopls saying is a simple machine that is needs energy of human, so it is still not a technology that we use to think that's better than technology that we currently have.

What about a sonar computer? We don't have this. But it could be developed, where sound traveling through various materials changed rates in such a way to move levers at the other end. Without electricity.

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But such a thing might not even be possible. The point still stands that if we did have an abundance of this technology back in the day then where is it now? Why hasnt a shred of evidence been dug up over the years? Weve found dinosaur fossils that are older than any human technology, weve found ancient weapons and cooking paraphernalia but never have we found anything that could be classed as superior technology.

But such a thing might not even be possible. The point still stands that if we did have an abundance of this technology back in the day then where is it now? Why hasnt a shred of evidence been dug up over the years? Weve found dinosaur fossils that are older than any human technology, weve found ancient weapons and cooking paraphernalia but never have we found anything that could be classed as superior technology.

Maybe they have such machines, but levers are much slower than electricity.

Maybe they have such machines, but levers are much slower than electricity.

If we didn't have levers connected to the electricity, nothing would be done except when we got a few big lighting-like blasts now and again.

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But such a thing might not even be possible. The point still stands that if we did have an abundance of this technology back in the day then where is it now? Why hasnt a shred of evidence been dug up over the years? Weve found dinosaur fossils that are older than any human technology, weve found ancient weapons and cooking paraphernalia but never have we found anything that could be classed as superior technology.

The form that the "rooms" under the great pyramid take, is something that produces specific sound vibrations all over the pyramid, but especially through the tiny channels that travel through the pyramid walls.

But, to see that electricity was used in the Great Pyramid, watch this - The Mystery Resolved - Pyramids Of Giza - Incredible!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrT82n4rhaU. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrT82n4rhaU)

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I've actually seen videos before on harmonics and how some Beleive that sound was channeled to move stones and make cuts since some stone structures are so finely built but these could quite have really been constructed not necessarily using technology that we've lost but more techniques to Build.

You can find modern science that uses sound to levitate, in some simple experiments. However, in nature, that's the way many insects fly. Bees levitate themselves on the sound vibration that their wings make.

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I have seen many experiments now using certain tones to levitate small objects this is true but nature does not possess such abilitys.  Bees and other small insects fly by creating low pressure over thier wings which in turn gives them lift.  A bees flying is actually quite complex but it's certainly not harmonics that keeps it  a float.

i have no knowledge about this thing. i do not know any thing about this. buy may be possible. because some time the ruins and remains of the ancient people make us wonder when when do study about their constructions. for example the pyramid hoe does they built what kind of technology used for constructing it.

Many advanced machines where used to build structures such as the pyramids. All someone needed was a lot of money to buy these machines and give them food and water to keep them running. Whips im sure would also increase effectiveness of the machines until they reached their end of practical use.

http://www.7continents5oceans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pyramid-6.jpg

You can find modern science that uses sound to levitate, in some simple experiments. However, in nature, that's the way many insects fly. Bees levitate themselves on the sound vibration that their wings make.

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Yeah. Sure. About as accurate as this dumb picture:http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/191315_xMPuIMZCKlC1uGHIh91Gfwu8g.jpg (http://www.evoanth.net/2012/06/12/did-our-ancestors-knuckle-walk/)

Like, your picture doesn't show the more important thing, like how to cut the blocks so accurately, and how to transport them without all the chips necessary to "hook" the ropes.

Get real. It wasn't slave labor. It was paid labor, and paid well so that the workers had enough strength and motivation to go on. Paid labor, just like today. And then there's the science part...

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It could be paid labour that built them i doubt it but for sake of the argument we could say it was definitely paid,  it would still take thousands of "employees"  to create the structures and as for cutting them i don't know,  probably just a larger stone Chisled down to spec but however it was done i bet it was very basic,  no advanced tools of machines,  just trades that have been lost in time.

Yes only we've never found the remains of these giants,  there s more likelihood that we where using jcbs to do all the work back then.  Probably the more realistic idea to be honest.

You can't find the remains of something that has died more than 3000 years ago unless it was buried in ice. They are not dinosaurs you know.

It could be paid labour that built them i doubt it but for sake of the argument we could say it was definitely paid,  it would still take thousands of "employees"  to create the structures and as for cutting them i don't know,  probably just a larger stone Chisled down to spec but however it was done i bet it was very basic,  no advanced tools of machines,  just trades that have been lost in time.

You can't find the remains of something that has died more than 3000 years ago unless it was buried in ice. They are not dinosaurs you know.

But Wikipedia says you can go back several billion years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil. Of course, the dating methods are arbitrary figures, and the dates that have been set are just guesses. But they do say it.

When you consider that there might not have been any C-14 in the atmosphere prior to about 4,500 years ago, the ages might be over by billions of years.

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There were actually BBC documentaries about giants existing millions of years and that they've found fossils of them but then seized by government authorities and cover it up. This actually make sense if you don't want people to ask more questions about the giants, and if more and more people get to prove they are real then history must all be rewritten again.  Isn't Goliath  just one proof?

Goliath is a fictional character though, and even if hes based loosely on a real person he might not have even been that tall. The bible is well known of its exagerated stories but the facts are that back in those days the average person was much shorter than they are today so goliath might have been a giant in those days but simply a tall person if we saw him nowadays . Also why would every government hide the fact that giants used to exist ?  Its of no advantage to them if people knew or not so its not some big cover up.

Except for one minor detail. The idea that the Bible is full of exaggerations is a lie.

Isaiah in the The Dead Sea Scrolls from around 2,400 years ago, is almost exactly the same as the last of the Hebrew copies done by scribes recently. This shows that the Hebrew people were very particular about copying the Bible accurately down through the ages.

Add to that the fact that the Bible itself says that the Hebrew people were to execute false prophets. This shows that there was accuracy maintained in the Bible, because if the scribes messed it up, they would be punished or executed themselves for falsifying a prophet. Copies weren't made by only one or two scribes. Many scribes copied the Bible so the people could see the accuracy.

Now that we have the accuracy of the Bible settled, the Biblical Age of the Earth website (http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm), coupled with info from the Old Testament, shows us that Goliath lived around 3,100 years ago. The accuracy of the Hebrew people told the truth about the size of Goliath... truth written in the Bible.

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The camels were without number as the sand of the sea.
- Judges 7:12

Their slain shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
- Isaiah 34:3

In one plague with which the Lord smote Egypt “all the cattle of Egypt died.” But a few days after that, “all the firstborn cattle died.”
- Exodus 9:6 & 12:29

I saw a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.
- Daniel 4:10-11

Funny these people discredit the bible when even the NASA take a look at it for references.
The book is thousands of years old, its been written by the witnesses of how the world turned out during bronze age. WARS of countries like Palestine are even written there. when Jesus mentioned about giving back what belongs to agustus, they give back what belongs to the government of agustus ceasar.  And only years ago a news break that an archeologist found a coin with the name Agustus Ceasar.

Alright lets see.


Thats a lot of camels.



This one doesnt even make sense


I could list many more of these . Just because the bible was supposedly accurately copied doesnt mean its not exaggerated, Besides its been altered many times from day 1 until now.



I hope you realise the whole missing day thing with nasa was a hoax, Also you say witnesses wrote the bible, this means nothing. I dont know if your aware about the percentage of humans that are absolute liars. Unfortunately i know many and they cant help themselves but lie about everyday things yet you put your faith in these witnesses to tell the truth. If youve read the bible then surely your not naive enough to take what it says as fact.

Idiom: a manner of speaking that is natural to native speakers of a language

Every language has its own collection of wise sayings. They offer advice about how to live and also transfer some underlying ideas, principles and values of a given culture / society. These sayings are called "idioms" - or proverbs if they are longer. These combinations of words have (rarely complete sentences) a "figurative meaning" meaning, they basically work with "pictures".

This List of commonly used idioms and sayings (in everyday conversational English), can help to speak English by learning English idiomatic expressions. This is a list, which contains exactly 66 of the most commonly used idioms and their meaning.

10 These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous.

11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.

Do you also think that before we progress like how we are today had happened years ago?
I saw a documentary which they mentioned before great flood of Noah there was already some sophisticated technology like huge machines, devices and computers and were destroyed along after the flood?

In the past they all had MAGIC WANDS ... Zap anything there minds wanted they got :D :D :D :D
This BITCOIN TALK THREAD as become like the TWILIGHT ZONE :D :D :D :D..

Science is the key to life ;D ;D.And lots and lots more to discover  ;D..
Sometimes i wonder if this thread are all 8 year old children..

The science religion politics all seem to be all talked by 8 year old's with no clue as to how the real world works...Not everyone by the way ;D BUT enough to make me think this world is
FUCKING CRAZY :)..

Science absolutely is the key to life. But it isn't the science that scientists talk about which is this key.

Consider all the scientific advancements made. Yet, if we live any longer on average than the people of the past, it is very little longer. In fact, there are 3 or 4 places on earth where people naturally live longer than our scientifically advanced peoples of North America and Europe. Two of these are the Hunzas of the Himalayas, and the people of the Vilcabamba area in Ecuador.

The big question is, why is science the key to life? The answer is that God holds everything in place so that it operates according to the science He created. Even the devil who is recorded in the Revelation in the Bible to have swept a third of the stars out of the sky (essentially destroying a third of the physics of the universe, thinking that thereby he would crash God's universe), was held at bay by the strength of God through Jesus, and the salvation Jesus wrought on the cross. Jesus upholds the universe and the scientific laws in the face of there being no reason for them to be upheld.

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Now if god is the key to science then name 1 invention that's in the BIBLE ?

Only the biggest, most important invention. Eternal life.

The second is the New Universe that God will be creating for us to spend our wonderful eternal life in.

The third is the lake of fire, which will consume this corrupted universe and all who won't follow God, so that there will be corruption no longer.

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WOW :D Eternal life.. How do you know this ?

New Universe that God will be creating for us..How can god do this if he cannot cure dying children
war poverty..
Very strange god you have. Can create a universe but cannot..Well i leave the rest to everyone's imagination..

The third is the lake of fire, which will consume this corrupted universe :o :o..
Not very nice your god i only smoke weed and have a bet..
And is that it a lake of fire..No thunder no wind or nothing..Not very good your god is he..
Lakes of fire seen loads of them lakes of fire after a volcano..

No wonder he no good at science he never invented anything in the bible..
He must of had one of those magic wands everybody had in the stone age..
Yer everyone had one to move and cut rocks how else did we build all these ancient buildings..
WITH A MAGIC WAND...

Also 2 or 3 pages back you were saying that we humans haven't invented much BUT now you say this....Consider all the scientific advancements made...So now you admit we have progressed in
science and technology...
MAKE YOUR MIND UP..Religious people always contradicting them selves as always :D :D..

And this is why religion should be kept out of politics and law..
Say one thing and mean another ;D just like a politician...

You quoted..It is NOT a fact that people are surviving better and longer. And we can all see from your posts that people are becoming stupider..
So you call your own god stupid after all he is or as invented eternal life  ;D ;D
TUT TUT TUT..So looks like your burning with us :D :D :D

Sorry. It has taken me this long to understand how weak of mind you are. I apologize for this. I place it out there for you to see, and you gloss right over it.

God IS healing not only the children who want to be healed, but the adults, as well. How is He doing this? As I said. Eternal life. Right there for you to see and read.

And where is God making the eternal life to be? Right there in the New Universe He is creating.



Well, hey. Isn't thinking, intelligence, understanding, faith, wisdom, knowledge, and a whole lot of other things that we know about, part of this universe? If you won't use the whole of your being to seek God, and then acknowledge Him when He shows Himself to you, no wonder you are heading for the Lake of fire with the rest of the corruption in this universe.

Keep on going like you are. Your choice, but only because God thought you important enough to give you the choice.

You want to choose to stay with the sinking ship? Hey, man, have at it. Enjoy the little time you have left.

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So the sinking ship as been sinking as long as this..

What your preaching don't you see the troubles it could cause..
To put love before your own family is a problem..Only none believers can set the path to a good life..HOW..well we will love our family and friends before fairy tales making us better humans.
YES i am right
how many true stories have you heard what people have done to there own family and friends for there god like burn stone chop...

Your religions are cave men thoughts not good for humanity..

So your gods love to KILL..
Plus why does he want me to follow his rules what does god get out it if i follow him?..
Arrr i get it love he gets love..So if i don't love god he will burn me in a river of fire forever..

Don't you see that the things of this universe will last only for about less than 100 years for you? And this life generally, even with all its pain and troubles, is far less painful and troublesome than it might be.

Go ahead and place love of God into some other position than top position. But your reward for doing this will be a place in the burning torment of the lake of fire... burning without ever stopping.

Love of family is second. And love of others is third. Doing bad or wrong to them is not love. If I didn't warn you of your impending potential doom, it would not be love.

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Hmmmmmm might try saying this to the next girl i meet..WHAT..It's ok for gods to do this but not me...
Oh i see i have to be a MUSLIM and i can do it to my family wife none believers and gays..
Arrrr i am getting this religion stuff now so can i do anything god said as long as i love god..

That's ridiculous,  eternity is an awful long time.  What's the point in that unless your a sadistic twisted god.  Burning for eternity wouldnt teach any lessons its completely pointless.  Id give you more credit if your god had a point in the things he does,  maybe burn in hell for a week lesson learned.  You need to face it some day that your God is flawed.  Hes man made nothing more.

There are no lessons being taught in eternal destruction in the lake of fire. Teaching lessons isn't the point of eternal destruction.

Since you said "lessons," consider school. If you do a good job in school, you can go out and get a good job and make money and live a reasonable life. If you fail in school, your whole life might be a failure.

The point is, when the school of this life is done for you, you are out on the street, so to speak. You either get the good job of eternal life, or, who needs you? The lake of fire isn't about lessons. Those are over. The lake of fire is about dissolution of your eternal soul, so that God can get His energy back out of you. It's eternal because it takes eternity for your eternal soul to be completely dissolved.

God IS eternal, but He is beyond eternity as well. He'll get your parts back, purified in the lake of fire, so He can use the parts for whatever else He desires. But, they won't be you any longer.

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School isn't the best example to compare with because as it stands there are too many religions and if only 1 is right then chances of picking the correct one are pretty slim.  I mean no offence by this but religion is an accepted mental illness, there's no other way of describing it.  Dedicating your whole life and putting it above everything else as a priority is not good,  one day you might understand but i doubt it,  I'm sure people use it as comfort due to fearing life and death but there's no need.  When your dead your dead and that's it.  Don't worry about it.

School isn't the best example to compare with because as it stands there are too many religions and if only 1 is right then chances of picking the correct one are pretty slim.  I mean no offence by this but religion is an accepted mental illness, there's no other way of describing it.  Dedicating your whole life and putting it above everything else as a priority is not good,  one day you might understand but i doubt it,  I'm sure people use it as comfort due to fearing life and death but there's no need.  When your dead your dead and that's it.  Don't worry about it.

well said ;D...
And now to everyone who wonders how all these big stones were cut in ancient times here is a very good lesson on how they did this..If you want to learn something then i suggest you watch this video I promise you will find it very interesting and it's good for your BRAINS..
PLEASE WATCH AND LEARN..Saves all the mystery on how they cut and shaped big rock..
It's a very good video i give it a 10 out 10 rating..

WHAT THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS KNEW - History Discovery Egypt ...
Video for what the egyptian Knew history▶ 48:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMc53_SNAvA

Neat video^^. Kind of for the children, though... perhaps as a starter videos, for videos with more details.

Watch this Graham Hancock video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGpUVcXUWw. It is an hour and 50 minutes long.

Personally, I don't go for the intro that lasts for about 5 minutes. Neither do I agree with the length of time of the past history of the earth. But, the point is that there are lots of unexplained mysteries of the past.

Regarding Egypt more directly, Hancock has found that the whole of ancient Egypt was "taught" by a race that was far advance beyond them. This happened thousands of years ago according to records in some of Hancock's videos.

Anyway, watch the first 20 minutes of the video to see where the first ancient Egyptians came from. Standard archaeology leaves a lot of history out, and doesn't answer many of the questions.

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Neat video^^. Kind of for the children, though... perhaps as a starter videos, for videos with more details.

Watch this Graham Hancock video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGpUVcXUWw. It is an hour and 50 minutes long.

Personally, I don't go for the intro that lasts for about 5 minutes. Neither do I agree with the length of time of the past history of the earth. But, the point is that there are lots of unexplained mysteries of the past.

Regarding Egypt more directly, Hancock has found that the whole of ancient Egypt was "taught" by a race that was far advance beyond them. This happened thousands of years ago according to records in some of Hancock's videos.

Anyway, watch the first 20 minutes of the video to see where the first ancient Egyptians came from. Standard archaeology leaves a lot of history out, and doesn't answer many of the questions.

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^^^The most important fact that the Graham Hancock video showed is that the standard picture that archeology has of the distant past is a bunch of rubbish.

I agree that Hancock doesn't have many answers, but the things he shows tell us that nobody really does. At least Hancock is willing to tell us this, while standard archeology is telling us a bunch of lies, and giving us the impression that they know way more than they do.

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Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist and author, is best known for his hypothesis of morphic fields and morphic resonance, which leads to a vision of a living, developing universe with its own inherent memory. He worked in developmental biology at Cambridge University, where he was a Fellow of Clare College. He was then Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT), in Hyderabad, India. From 2005 to 2010 he was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, funded from Trinity College, Cambridge.


The 10 Science Dogmas
Here are the ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted.

1.Everything is essentially mechanical. Dogs, for example, are complex mechanisms, rather than living organisms with goals of their own. Even people are machines, 'lumbering robots', in Richard Dawkins's vivid phrase, with brains that are like genetically programmed computers.

2. All matter is unconscious. It has no inner life or subjectivity or point of view. Even human consciousness is an illusion produced by the material activities of brains.

3. The total amount of matter and energy is always the same (with the exception of the Big Bang, when all the matter and energy of the universe suddenly appeared).

4. The laws of nature are fixed. They are the same today as they were at the beginning, and they will stay the same for ever.

5. Nature is purposeless, and evolution has no goal or direction.

6. All biological inheritance is material, carried in the genetic material, DNA, and in other material structures.

7. Minds are inside heads and are nothing but the activities of brains. When you look at a tree, the image of the tree you are seeing is not 'out there', where it seems to be, but inside your brain.

8. Memories are stored as material traces in brains and are wiped out at death.

9. Unexplained phenomena like telepathy are illusory.

10.Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works.

Banned TED Talk: The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake at TEDx Whitechapel
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1TerTgDEgUE/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=320&h=180&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=8qzlDcAQGSeTSowVRKrsrDUjRl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TerTgDEgUE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TerTgDEgUE)

Together, these beliefs make up the philosophy or ideology of materialism, whose central assumption is that everything is essentially material or physical, even minds. This belief-system became dominant within science in the late nineteenth century, and is now taken for granted. Many scientists are unaware that materialism is an assumption: they simply think of it as science, or the scientific view of reality, or the scientific worldview. They are not actually taught about it, or given a chance to discuss it. They absorb it by a kind of intellectual osmosis.

In everyday usage, materialism refers to a way of life devoted entirely to material interests, a preoccupation with wealth, possessions and luxury. These attitudes are no doubt encouraged by the materialist philosophy, which denies the existence of any spiritual realities or non-material goals, but in this book I am concerned with materialism's scientific claims, rather than its eff ects on lifestyles.

In the spirit of radical scepticism, I turn each of these ten doctrines into a question. Entirely new vistas open up when a widely accepted assumption is taken as the beginning of an enquiry, rather than as an unquestionable truth. For example, the assumption that nature is machine-like or mechanical becomes a question: 'Is nature mechanical?' The assumption that matter is unconscious becomes 'Is matter unconscious?' And so on.

In the Prologue I look at the interactions of science, religion and power, and then in Chapters 1 to 10, I examine each of the ten dogmas. At the end of each chapter, I discuss what difference this topic makes and how it affects the way we live our lives. I also pose several further questions, so that any readers who want to discuss these subjects with friends or colleagues will have some useful starting points. Each chapter is followed by a summary. The credibility crunch for the 'scientific worldview'

For more than two hundred years, materialists have promised that science will eventually explain everything in terms of physics and chemistry. Science will prove that living organisms are complex machines, minds are nothing but brain activity and nature is purposeless. Believers are sustained by the faith that scientific discoveries will justify their beliefs. The philosopher of science Karl Popper called this stance 'promissory materialism' because it depends on issuing promissory notes for discoveries not yet made. Despite all the achievements of science and technology, materialism is now facing a credibility crunch that was unimaginable in the twentieth century.

In 1963, when I was studying biochemistry at Cambridge University, I was invited to a series of private meetings with Francis Crick and Sydney Brenner in Brenner's rooms in King's College, along with a few of my classmates. Crick and Brenner had recently helped to 'crack' the genetic code. Both were ardent materialists and Crick was also a militant atheist. They explained there were two major unsolved problems in biology: development and consciousness. They had not been solved because the people who worked on them were not molecular biologists – or very bright. Crick and Brenner were going to find the answers within ten years, or maybe twenty. Brenner would take developmental biology, and Crick consciousness. They invited us to join them.

Both tried their best. Brenner was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2002 for his work on the development of a tiny worm, Caenorhabdytis elegans. Crick corrected the manuscript of his final paper on the brain the day before he died in 2004. At his funeral, his son Michael said that what made him tick was not the desire to be famous, wealthy or popular, but 'to knock the final nail into the coffin of vitalism'. (Vitalism is the theory that living organisms are truly alive, and not explicable in terms of physics and chemistry alone.)

Crick and Brenner failed. The problems of development and consciousness remain unsolved. Many details have been discovered, dozens of genomes have been sequenced, and brain scans are ever more precise. But there is still no proof that life and minds can be explained by physics and chemistry alone (see Chapters 1, 4 and 8).

The fundamental proposition of materialism is that matter is the only reality. Therefore consciousness is nothing but brain activity. It is either like a shadow, an 'epiphenomenon', that does nothing, or it is just another way of talking about brain activity. However, among contemporary researchers in neuroscience and consciousness studies there is no consensus about the nature of minds. Leading journals such as Behavioural and Brain Sciences and the Journal of Consciousness Studies publish many articles that reveal deep problems with the materialist doctrine. The philosopher David Chalmers has called the very existence of subjective experience the 'hard problem'. It is hard because it defies explanation in terms of mechanisms. Even if we understand how eyes and brains respond to red light, the experience of redness is not accounted for.

In biology and psychology the credibility rating of materialism is falling. Can physics ride to the rescue? Some materialists prefer to call themselves physicalists, to emphasise that their hopes depend on modern physics, not nineteenth-century theories of matter. But physicalism's own credibility rating has been reduced by physics itself, for four reasons.

First, some physicists insist that quantum mechanics cannot be formulated without taking into account the minds of observers. They argue that minds cannot be reduced to physics because physics presupposes the minds of physicists.

Second, the most ambitious unified theories of physical reality, string and M-theories, with ten and eleven dimensions respectively, take science into completely new territory. Strangely, as Stephen Hawking tells us in his book The Grand Design (2010), 'No one seems to know what the "M" stands for, but it may be "master", "miracle" or "mystery".' According to what Hawking calls 'model-dependent realism', different theories may have to be applied in different situations. 'Each theory may have its own version of reality, but according to model-dependent realism, that is acceptable so long as the theories agree in their predictions whenever they overlap, that is, whenever they can both be applied.'

String theories and M-theories are currently untestable so 'model-dependent realism' can only be judged by reference to other models, rather than by experiment. It also applies to countless other universes, none of which has ever been observed. As Hawking points out,

M-theory has solutions that allow for different universes with different apparent laws, depending on how the internal space is curled. M-theory has solutions that allow for many different internal spaces, perhaps as many as 10500, which means it allows for 10500 diff erent universes, each with its own laws … The original hope of physics to produce a single theory explaining the apparent laws of our universe as the unique possible consequence of a few simple assumptions may have to be abandoned.

Some physicists are deeply sceptical about this entire approach, as the theoretical physicist Lee Smolin shows in his book The Trouble with Physics: The Rise of String Theory, the Fall of a Science and What Comes Next (2008). String theories, M-theories and 'modeldependent realism' are a shaky foundation for materialism or physicalism or any other belief system, as discussed in Chapter 1.

Third, since the beginning of the twenty-first century, it has become apparent that the known kinds of matter and energy make up only about four per cent of the universe. The rest consists of 'dark matter' and 'dark energy'. The nature of 96 per cent of physical reality is literally obscure (see Chapter 2).

Fourth, the Cosmological Anthropic Principle asserts that if the laws and constants of nature had been slightly different at the moment of the Big Bang, biological life could never have emerged, and hence we would not be here to think about it (see Chapter 3). So did a divine mind fine-tune the laws and constants in the beginning? To avoid a creator God emerging in a new guise, most leading cosmologists prefer to believe that our universe is one of a vast, and perhaps infinite, number of parallel universes, all with different laws and constants, as M-theory also suggests. We just happen to exist in the one that has the right conditions for us.

This multiverse theory is the ultimate violation of Occam's Razor, the philosophical principle that 'entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity', or in other words, that we should make as few assumptions as possible. It also has the major disadvantage of being untestable. And it does not even succeed in getting rid of God. An infinite God could be the God of an infinite number of universes.

Materialism provided a seemingly simple, straightforward worldview in the late nineteenth century, but twenty-first-century science has left it behind. Its promises have not been fulfilled, and its promissory notes have been devalued by hyperinflation.

I am convinced that the sciences are being held back by assumptions that have hardened into dogmas, maintained by powerful taboos. These beliefs protect the citadel of established science, but act as barriers against open-minded thinking.

^^ :D :D :D :D..Why can't you just post something that's fact the truth :D :D :D..
Show me something REAL ..Like when i say to you get real you still find it hard to get real don't you badecker.. :D :D :D..I want to see the proof of your science and how it works ;)..

Like i could say this..Aliens don't want us to get to technical because they are taking us and doing experiments on us... we are aliens slaves..Now i expect you to say where is your proof..
Well i got none but it's fact...Now do you believe what i say?

It's why i keep saying science is the key to life you have to prove it to be so...
Stop with the MYSTIC STUFF..

banned TED talk i am not surprised  ;D ;D He is a nutter..
First Badecker you must ask for proof to show you how it works..Then you can believe..

Well, mostly I haven't been showing or talking about MY science. Why do you want to get so personal about this? Are you that hard up for a relationship?


You are doing quite well. After all, you have to start somewhere - like this little section of your post, here - so that you can start to understand proof when it slaps you in the face.


Well... you always were the one with the mystic, occult, Freemason stuff. And since science theory is an integral part of science, and many major scientists believe science theory to be fact when it is not, science is essentially self-contradictory.



Martin Luther and many others reformed the religion of the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC hangs on, but it has been shown to not be the Biblical truth.

Same said with science. Sheldrake and Hancock and others are re-forming science into what science, itself, claims that it is. This does not mean that science will not go on in some form that it has right now, but people are waking up to the truth of the science scam that exists right in science, although many will keep on worshiping it as the religion that it currently is.

What are you going to do? Continue to worship? Or join the reformation and find the truth?

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Are you that hard up for a relationship?..NO.I just felt sorry for you because no one listens
to you because the BS you post..I got a wife for my relationship..
But never mind keep posting BS instead of keeping it real..

You study anything you want and add science to what you study but you still need to prove it to be so..And not just once you need to prove it many times over..
Carry on with the BS your making yourself look stupid.. And most of all no one is learning anything from the BS you post..

Surely you jest. Do you think that I care what people believe in or why they believe in it?

If I promote God, it is for selfish reasons... at least two of them... even though I like to think that it is for reasons that are selfless:
1. He has His reasons for wanting more people with Him in Heaven. I get eternal rewards for those I help save;
2. Eternity is a long time (actually, it is different than time) and God and all the others in Heaven need as many as we can get to be with us there, both to keep from any boredom whatsoever having a chance of getting started, and so that we can all share in each others' wonderful, joyful ideas.

Play your games of science here... science, a thing that occupies much uselessness. Then die, just like all the rest of the people. Then wake up at the command of Jesus when He returns, coming in the clouds.

What ya gonna do when He comes for you... bad boy, bad boy ???

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A priest prays all his life and then god gets his throat slit..Remind me not to pray ;D

frankenstein.. 50 years ago would you of thought it possible?

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Science is the key to life ;D..Gods are for backward thinkers..
Always an answer with science you just got to discover it then prove it to be so ;D