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Title: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 08:32:43 AM We believe that Voxelus cant become the Youtube Of VR with its ico scam reputation. The price is down to 1/14th and its been a huge scam. If you are an investor, join us and demand a refund.
We were also lied to that Vox will be the only crypto other than Bitcoin in Uphold. This was projected a positive thing for Vox during the ico and it helped them sell. They can be held legally liable for this lie. https://i.imgur.com/QVF1e9T.png Voxels is a scam. Slack is dead Forum is dead No responses to questions and no updates Vox will never recover to its ICO price. Maybe it will in 5 years, but it is unlikely. That is just to RECOVER our investment. Forget about making a return with this below par closed source private blockchain with devs that don't even care to release updates. When they were asked about an update recently, they showed us an update from May and claimed to have "no time" to waste on Slack because they were working. It is unlikely that Voxels as a currency will gain even if Voxelus platform gets popular. Who is going to use a privately checkpointed chain with closed source with a bad reputation from running a scam ico? They might use Uphold API for their payments instead anyway. Voxels as a crypto is irrelevant and of no future use. I don't want to wait 5 years for the price to recover (very small chance and unlikely). 5 years is a lot of time, so I better get my investment out and invest in more reliable places. All the hype about Halsey Minor and Uphold has been just to keep this sinking ship going for longer and keeping ICO investors fooled, but it won't be possible anymore. They hope to build the future Youtube of VR and I can assure you that it won't be possible with this SCAM Reputation, as you have scammed so many investors with fake VR / Halsey Minor hype. Its been a while you have been keeping us in the dark. If you really believe Voxelus is going to be the Youtube of VR, you should issue refunds to everyone at the original ICO price. Put up a buy wall at any exchange so that people can sell Vox back to you at the original ico price. We are not asking for a premium but just our money back. Then you can save yourselves from the scammy reputation and have better odds of the Youtube of VR getting successful, otherwise no one is going to trust and use Voxelus. Refunding investors is a small cost to pay for saving your reputation among future Voxelus users. With that said, given the experience I have had with the Voxelus team, I highly doubt these people can make Voxelus a huge success even in 5 years. Therefore, it is likely that we will never see our Voxelus investment back. However, the Voxelus team believes in their idea, so they should refund us and save their reputation. For all the above reasons, I would urge all of you investors who have been fooled by Halsey Minor hype to ask for a refund from Voxelus. This is the only way we can recover our investment and park it in better investment opportunities, as this project isn't going anywhere even in 5 years which is a long time of our life. Halsey Minor, Martin Repetto, Jim Blasko and whoever else has some say, please refund our investment as we don't want to be part of this Scam anymore. We can then go our separate ways. Maybe you guys should give away all the bought back Voxels to every bitcoin holder for free just like Stellar did recently. Various investors on this forum, twitter and slack are of the opinion that Voxelus should refund their ICO investors. We do not want to be a part of this anymore. Save yourselves the embarrassment and we really hope you become the Youtube of VR in 5 years (I assure you that you will never be there with reputation of running a scam ICO) It is time to undo your wrongdoing. We want our investment back (no more, no less). I hope you understand this and initiate the refund process. Thank you Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: traumschiff on August 17, 2016, 08:35:59 AM Does it state somewhere in the ICO terms that you can demand a refund? Also does it state somewhere that they have certain liabilities towards you?
Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 08:47:19 AM Does it state somewhere in the ICO terms that you can demand a refund? Also does it state somewhere that they have certain liabilities towards you? I am not capable of answering that question so will let more intelligent and better informed people answer it A better question to ask is, can they build the Youtube of VR, or the Fiverr of VR, or Steam of VR after scamming investors with this petty ico scam? I'm sure they can't. Halsey Minor, who boasts of transparency and honesty, with the way he runs his platform Uphold should know this very well. So, its good for them to refund and start over Voxels cryptocurrency with a clean reputation. Maybe offer the bought back Voxels to every bitcoin holder for free, just like Stellar did. I can't wait to recover my investment, just want a refund. Want out of this scam. So do hundreds of other Voxelus investors, I'm pretty sure. Please post here if you are an investor and would like a refund Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: dmarine on August 17, 2016, 08:48:24 AM This is a controversial currency, I'm not buying until better information.
Edit: "The price is down to 1/14th" (Wow, a second opinion on that?) Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: traumschiff on August 17, 2016, 09:16:00 AM Does it state somewhere in the ICO terms that you can demand a refund? Also does it state somewhere that they have certain liabilities towards you? I am not capable of answering that question so will let more intelligent and better informed people answer it A better question to ask is, can they build the Youtube of VR, or the Fiverr of VR, or Steam of VR after scamming investors with this petty ico scam? I'm sure they can't. Halsey Minor, who boasts of transparency and honesty, with the way he runs his platform Uphold should know this very well. So, its good for them to refund and start over Voxels cryptocurrency with a clean reputation. Maybe offer the bought back Voxels to every bitcoin holder for free, just like Stellar did. I can't wait to recover my investment, just want a refund. Want out of this scam. So do hundreds of other Voxelus investors, I'm pretty sure. Please post here if you are an investor and would like a refund You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX, while trying to move it mainstream and supporting it (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: rocketsTmac on August 17, 2016, 09:19:09 AM It depends on rules, but it is so long, I think they won't do this, because the scammer dev has spent all of the money of hookers and drugs, bad sign!
Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 09:20:33 AM You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX while trying to move it mainstream (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. Voxels was a crowdsale, not an ICO, and I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam. But I believe that it is still above the crowdsale's price (though it was pumped & dumped 4-5 months ago)? Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: traumschiff on August 17, 2016, 09:27:29 AM I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam Outside the US there is almost no regulation to these kind of investments. Good luck with trying to sue them with a bitcointalk ICO/Crowdsale or whatever. My point stands, people who demand a refund on ICOs hosted here are delusional. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 09:30:48 AM I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam My point stands, people who demand a refund on ICOs hosted here are delusional.You're right about this one. P.S. Btw, Halsey Minor is a US citizen so... :) Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: bedskills on August 17, 2016, 09:54:47 AM You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX while trying to move it mainstream (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. Voxels was a crowdsale, not an ICO, and I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam. But I believe that it is still above the crowdsale's price (though it was pumped & dumped 4-5 months ago)? No, it was not above, it is below, the price was 0.001+btc in crowdsale, and now is 0.00007 btc. Miserable ico for players :( Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 10:19:22 AM Does it state somewhere in the ICO terms that you can demand a refund? Also does it state somewhere that they have certain liabilities towards you? I am not capable of answering that question so will let more intelligent and better informed people answer it A better question to ask is, can they build the Youtube of VR, or the Fiverr of VR, or Steam of VR after scamming investors with this petty ico scam? I'm sure they can't. Halsey Minor, who boasts of transparency and honesty, with the way he runs his platform Uphold should know this very well. So, its good for them to refund and start over Voxels cryptocurrency with a clean reputation. Maybe offer the bought back Voxels to every bitcoin holder for free, just like Stellar did. I can't wait to recover my investment, just want a refund. Want out of this scam. So do hundreds of other Voxelus investors, I'm pretty sure. Please post here if you are an investor and would like a refund You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX, while trying to move it mainstream and supporting it (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. It is up to the more informed persons to tell what it is like from a legal perspective but I can tell you it is a scam from the way things turned out. Voxelus is going nowhere and it is definitely not going to climb back to ICO price, not in 5 years, the way things are going. There are zero updates and investors are being kept in the dark. Good luck waiting 5 years for this one when you could put your money elsewhere and live your life. Halsey Minor stands for transparency and honesty, as you can tell after reading his plan about Uphold and its transparent business model. Now, on the other hand, if he is scamming people with Voxelus, it doesn't help his reputation and that of Voxelus which aspires to become the Youtube of VR. They are not legally required to be transparent with Uphold, but they really are. Check this out https://uphold.com/en/transparency Stop thinking about legal consequences for a minute. Halsey Minor is a capitalist who very well knows the value of reputation that has been spoiled because of this failed ICO. I hope they are bothered about the potential costs of bad reputation of Voxelus and realize that the cost of refunding is too little for him and his VCs in comparison Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: dandroid on August 17, 2016, 10:24:00 AM You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX while trying to move it mainstream (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. Voxels was a crowdsale, not an ICO, and I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam. But I believe that it is still above the crowdsale's price (though it was pumped & dumped 4-5 months ago)? No, it was not above, it is below, the price was 0.001+btc in crowdsale, and now is 0.00007 btc. Miserable ico for players :( I was about to ask, thank you. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 10:24:26 AM You understand hopefully that there is probably 0 liability towards investors from an ICO hosted with Bitcoins. This is the reason it's called the new wild west and this is the reason why some ICOs multiply peoples investment, but some go to 0 on the long run. Acting hurt and demanding money back will you get nowhere, I can guarantee you this. There is no government or regulations protecting you here. Either take the loss and move on or hold on to your investment. Also keep in mind that the only promises that were made, were about making a VR marketplace a reality and that they will accept VOX while trying to move it mainstream (if I recall correctly, since the last time I read about VOX was pre-launch). They can not promise you a profit or that the price will rise. Voxels was a crowdsale, not an ICO, and I think that there are some laws, which could be implemented if it is a scam. But I believe that it is still above the crowdsale's price (though it was pumped & dumped 4-5 months ago)? No, it was not above, it is below, the price was 0.001+btc in crowdsale, and now is 0.00007 btc. Miserable ico for players :( 0.00008 now but yeah, truly miserable the way things turned out :( The devs were coming back to work on Aug 14 after vacation I heard, and I waited for an update but haven't heard anything so.. We have been neglected. I can't wait anymore and no longer hope for recovery to 0.001, therefore i just want a refund at this point. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 10:30:48 AM How much BTC they gathered via the crowdsale?
Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: hollandvan on August 17, 2016, 10:35:25 AM How much BTC they gathered via the crowdsale? Voxelus, the world’s first end-to-end virtual reality content creation platform and marketplace, has completed its private pre-sale of 1.2 million Voxels (VOX) for a total of 1,022 BTC ($350,000 USD at the close of the pre-sale). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1235683.0 1022BTC, you can read it above. Fortunately I didn't join this site, because I didn't trust the google voice founder hype, and my decision was turned out to be correct. Sorry for others. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 10:47:39 AM Did anyone notice that the following is no longer true. Uphold has Litecoin and Ethereum too.
Voxels will be the only cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin supported by Uphold (https://uphold.com/). They also claimed that Voxels will be the only way for buying and selling stuff on Voxelus platform. I'm pretty sure they will back out of that promise too, as it has happened in case of Uphold already. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 10:53:34 AM How much BTC they gathered via the crowdsale? Voxelus, the world’s first end-to-end virtual reality content creation platform and marketplace, has completed its private pre-sale of 1.2 million Voxels (VOX) for a total of 1,022 BTC ($350,000 USD at the close of the pre-sale). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1235683.0 1022BTC, you can read it above. Fortunately I didn't join this site, because I didn't trust the google voice founder hype, and my decision was turned out to be correct. Sorry for others. Jesus! I've noticed when the crowdsale started and I knew that they gathered $300-$400,000 from it, but I didn't knew that only 1.2 million coins were sold. ??? This means that the VOX market cap should be about 26,827 BTC (or about $15.6Mn). Basically, it was never near its crowdsale price (even when there was a pump 4-5 months ago)? That's a quite big failure... Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: jaesonma on August 17, 2016, 10:58:09 AM How much BTC they gathered via the crowdsale? Voxelus, the world’s first end-to-end virtual reality content creation platform and marketplace, has completed its private pre-sale of 1.2 million Voxels (VOX) for a total of 1,022 BTC ($350,000 USD at the close of the pre-sale). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1235683.0 1022BTC, you can read it above. Fortunately I didn't join this site, because I didn't trust the google voice founder hype, and my decision was turned out to be correct. Sorry for others. Jesus! I've noticed when the crowdsale started and I knew that they gathered $300-$400,000 from it, but I didn't knew that only 1.2 million coins were sold. ??? This means that the VOX market cap should be about 26,827 BTC (or about $15.6Mn). Basically, it was never near its crowdsale price (even when there was a pump 4-5 months ago)? That's a quite big failure... There was pump, but never pumped above ico price, so I consider it was not a "pump", it should be called as "recover a little loss" I heard one guy lost 50BTC on this shit. :( Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: BitcoinNational on August 17, 2016, 11:13:11 AM "That's a quite big failure..." ok i laughed
----------- "Halsey Minor's $20 Million Mansion Sells for $4 Million Less" http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/07/halsey-minors-20-million-mansion-finally-sells-for-a-4-million-loss.html and that turdpin guy too! this looks like a case of VC guys trying to flip a fast buck, and with little creative efforts. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 11:22:40 AM "That's a quite big failure..." ok i laughed ----------- "Halsey Minor's $20 Million Mansion Sells for $4 Million Less" http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/07/halsey-minors-20-million-mansion-finally-sells-for-a-4-million-loss.html and that turdpin guy too! this looks like a case of VC guys trying to flip a fast buck, and with little creative efforts. I'm talking about people who "invested" in VOX. The fact that Minor squandered probably over a billion $ in the years following CNET's sale is another (and painful one) story. :) Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: durrrrdwan on August 17, 2016, 11:36:55 AM "That's a quite big failure..." ok i laughed ----------- "Halsey Minor's $20 Million Mansion Sells for $4 Million Less" http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2016/07/halsey-minors-20-million-mansion-finally-sells-for-a-4-million-loss.html and that turdpin guy too! this looks like a case of VC guys trying to flip a fast buck, and with little creative efforts. Hoho, if he is so wealthy why he created those sites(uphold) for ico, hardly to understand, and he never helped this project if the price is so low. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 11:37:57 AM Hi gentlemen please go through this. I think this may be something serious worth looking into. They made this promise, which turned out to be a lie as we can see now. It obviously affected Vox price because they supported more than just Vox and Bitcoin unlike what was promsied to us during ICO. Anyone with more legal knowledge can tell how serious this is?
Did anyone notice that the following is no longer true. Uphold has Litecoin and Ethereum too. Voxels will be the only cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin supported by Uphold (https://uphold.com/). They also claimed that Voxels will be the only way for buying and selling stuff on Voxelus platform. I'm pretty sure they will back out of that promise too, as it has happened in case of Uphold already. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: spartak_t on August 17, 2016, 11:42:54 AM Hoho, if he is so wealthy why he created those sites(uphold) for ico, hardly to understand, and he never helped this project if the price is so low. Wealthy? According to some (old) sources he's at least $50 million in debt... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-30/cnet-founder-minor-files-for-bankruptcy-after-selling-art http://celebritynetworths.org/halsey-minor-net-worth/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1893457-cnet-founder-halsey-minor-i-had-no-ability-to-manage-my-life/ Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 17, 2016, 04:21:27 PM Hoho, if he is so wealthy why he created those sites(uphold) for ico, hardly to understand, and he never helped this project if the price is so low. Wealthy? According to some (old) sources he's at least $50 million in debt... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-30/cnet-founder-minor-files-for-bankruptcy-after-selling-art http://celebritynetworths.org/halsey-minor-net-worth/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1893457-cnet-founder-halsey-minor-i-had-no-ability-to-manage-my-life/ Yeah, I think Voxelus and Uphold are his two biggest companies currently. Uphold boasts of honesty and transparency while Voxelus is a scam Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: gfwdown on August 17, 2016, 04:27:17 PM Hoho, if he is so wealthy why he created those sites(uphold) for ico, hardly to understand, and he never helped this project if the price is so low. Wealthy? According to some (old) sources he's at least $50 million in debt... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-30/cnet-founder-minor-files-for-bankruptcy-after-selling-art http://celebritynetworths.org/halsey-minor-net-worth/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1893457-cnet-founder-halsey-minor-i-had-no-ability-to-manage-my-life/ Yeah, I think Voxelus and Uphold are his two biggest companies currently. Uphold boasts of honesty and transparency while Voxelus is a scam Wow, he is -50M now, no wonder he created a scam ico to make money. Maybe he can get high commission of this project. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: freequant on August 24, 2016, 06:05:34 AM How is Voxelus a scam? They built a VR market place, a 3D engine and a 3D modeler, didn't they?
Hasley Minor has a track record of building legit businesses, doesn't he? Businesses fail all the time, that's the thing. Time is of the essence. Voxelus made its ICOs at the wrong time when there wasn't much hot money to get in. They raised 300k USD, that's too little to get anywhere, they had to take from the remaining premined funds to get going, and that obviously affected the price. They also went for VR too early, a typical killer for businesses. Too early is as bad as too late. Timing is key. VR still very much is a fringe technology, and although it starts to pick up steam, it's still a very long way before mainstream, and together with the failed fundraiser, Voxelus didn't have enough funds to survive until the VR really takes off. Investors are also responsible for doing due diligence. Although Hasley Minor has been doing well during the Dotcom bubble, this was a long time ago, and recent history show that he has managed to blow 200M USD of personal wealth and make 50M USD of debts since then. So obviously this was a risky bet. From my perspective, there is very little that can be reproached to Voxelus. And it's fair game for Uphold to try to diversify with ETH and other currencies even though they initially promised to give exclusivity to VOX. VOX has failed. Should Uphold fail too? If Uphold can survive by diversifying, power to them. OP, you should be happy that VOX still has a price at all on the market. You can still get out now and recoup at least some of your initial investments while you still can. Crypto businesses fail slowly by becoming irrelevant while the equity is still liquid enough to be traded, that's still a very sweet deal compared to real life businesses that fail brutally letting investors with no way out and a 100% loss. Making libelious threads against Minor and his projects doesn't help the price. Ultimately, you are shooting yourself in the foot by doing that. At the very least, be rational and keep your vitriol for after you sold your position. And remember that although failing a business isn't illegal, slander is, so please remain factual in your accusations. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 24, 2016, 02:55:55 PM How is Voxelus a scam? They built a VR market place, a 3D engine and a 3D modeler, didn't they? Hasley Minor has a track record of building legit businesses, doesn't he? Businesses fail all the time, that's the thing. Time is of the essence. Voxelus made its ICOs at the wrong time when there wasn't much hot money to get in. They raised 300k USD, that's too little to get anywhere, they had to take from the remaining premined funds to get going, and that obviously affected the price. They also went for VR too early, a typical killer for businesses. Too early is as bad as too late. Timing is key. VR still very much is a fringe technology, and although it starts to pick up steam, it's still a very long way before mainstream, and together with the failed fundraiser, Voxelus didn't have enough funds to survive until the VR really takes off. Investors are also responsible for doing due diligence. Although Hasley Minor has been doing well during the Dotcom bubble, this was a long time ago, and recent history show that he has managed to blow 200M USD of personal wealth and make 50M USD of debts since then. So obviously this was a risky bet. From my perspective, there is very little that can be reproached to Voxelus. And it's fair game for Uphold to try to diversify with ETH and other currencies even though they initially promised to give exclusivity to VOX. VOX has failed. Should Uphold fail too? If Uphold can survive by diversifying, power to them. OP, you should be happy that VOX still has a price at all on the market. You can still get out now and recoup at least some of your initial investments while you still can. Crypto businesses fail slowly by becoming irrelevant while the equity is still liquid enough to be traded, that's still a very sweet deal compared to real life businesses that fail brutally letting investors with no way out and a 100% loss. Making libelious threads against Minor and his projects doesn't help the price. Ultimately, you are shooting yourself in the foot by doing that. At the very least, be rational and keep your vitriol for after you sold your position. And remember that although failing a business isn't illegal, slander is, so please remain factual in your accusations. If they are scamming me, I care more about telling everyone about the scam than my own diminishing investment so what you said is unimportant to me. They obviously lied to raise the ico funds. This project is getting stale because of quiet devs not bothered about the investors. If everyone knows Halsey Minor is a scammer, it is good because it will be harder to raise phase 2 of the ico as they have only sold 15% of the premined coins so far. How are they going to get people excited about buying the rest of premined coins? I do feel the rest of the premine is getting dumped anyway, I would like to see the address with 85% unsold coins (can't find it on block explorer) Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: European Central Bank on August 24, 2016, 04:18:14 PM damn. I was already turned off uphold by the founder telling us bitcoin was gonna die plus their reserves being made up of some private coin i'd never heard of. I really didn't think they'd reduce themselves to participating in some bullshit crowdsale.
they are quite clearly nowhere near being a legit business of any type . Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: Febo on August 24, 2016, 04:27:46 PM They also went for VR too early, a typical killer for businesses. Too early is as bad as too late. Timing is key. VR still very much is a fringe technology, and although it starts to pick up steam, it's still a very long way before mainstream, and together with the failed fundraiser, Voxelus didn't have enough funds to survive until the VR really takes off. Secondlife should start with Sansar , what is code name for Second Life 2 that base on VR. , in first half of 2016. But was no news about it so far. So yes it is way to early. people are just not equipped enough with it to make it a huge success. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 24, 2016, 05:57:53 PM although it starts to pick up steam, it's still a very long way before mainstream I believe its spelled "steem" The following is no longer true. Uphold has Litecoin and Ethereum too. Voxels will be the only cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin supported by Uphold (https://uphold.com/). Let's clear this one up. Back in November, Uphold themselves stated that Voxels would be the only other crypto besides Bitcoin used on the site. When I stated it here at the end of last year, it was true . It was originally stated by Anthony the CEO of uphold in a letter they sent out to all their investors. 5 months later Uphold decided to add ETH and LTC. I'm not sure why that's a problem because it allows you to trade LTC and ETH for VOX. See, VOX holders should be happy that Uphold is supporting more and more different coins every day! No. If supporting more and more currencies was a better idea, why would they sell Uphold's plan of supporting only Bitcion and Vox to us as a positive during ico? Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: freequant on August 25, 2016, 05:50:54 AM No. If supporting more and more currencies was a better idea, why would they sell Uphold's plan of supporting only Bitcion and Vox to us as a positive during ico? Uphold never commited to support only VOX and BTC ever, that would make no business sense, and actually suck for everyone including VOX holders because nobody would be using Uphold and VOX would have much less exposure.What they said is that by the time of VOX launch, Uphold was only going to be supporting VOX and BTC. You seem to have a personal axe to grind with Minor. Please get that offline, or state your true reasons instead of making a mountain out of a molehill. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: bbc.reporter on August 25, 2016, 06:01:43 AM If you get a refund then this will be a first in the cryptosphere. But it is very doubtful that you will. If VOX is a scam then say goodbye to your BTC. There will be know way scammer will return the BTC to the scammee. It does not work that way.
Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 25, 2016, 10:36:50 AM No. If supporting more and more currencies was a better idea, why would they sell Uphold's plan of supporting only Bitcion and Vox to us as a positive during ico? Uphold never commited to support only VOX and BTC ever, that would make no business sense, and actually suck for everyone including VOX holders because nobody would be using Uphold and VOX would have much less exposure.What they said is that by the time of VOX launch, Uphold was only going to be supporting VOX and BTC. You seem to have a personal axe to grind with Minor. Please get that offline, or state your true reasons instead of making a mountain out of a molehill. You are wrong but feel free to keep repeating I have quoted the actual words from original ICO topic. Premines getting slowly dumped and fake promises have been made. Price is down over 1/14th. Devs are silent, no open slack, private blockchain, no actual progress reports, just look around what it is like. The scam is obvious, unless you are part of the ico team Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: freequant on August 25, 2016, 04:16:33 PM I have quoted the actual words from original ICO topic Yes, and these words don't say "never". They said back then when there was only BTC that it would be only BTC and VOX and back then it was true. But they didn't say that this would be only BTC and VOX ever. Again, that would make no sense to make that kind of promise. Interpreting correctly ambiguous sentences requires common sense and good faith. I for one never assumed that Uphold would have only BTC and VOX forever. But probably you won't see it that way because you have a bias. You haven't even explained why it's such a big deal anyway. Do you think listing other coins have had any negative impact on VOX? Get real... Price is down over 1/14th Oh, it's a scam because price went down?Devs are silent They aren't silent at all. They are posting everyday on twitter (https://twitter.com/voxelus), getting featured on VR websites (http://uploadvr.com/voxelus-now-lets-build-vr-worlds-inside-headset/), speaking at conferences (https://twitter.com/Voxelus/status/755869880243531777), posting new videos (https://vimeo.com/177688794)on Vimeo... Took me a 10mn Google search to find updates... You must not be searching very hard. Too busy whining on Bitcointalk I guess...no open slack I don't see how that's a problem so long as you can request for an invite, and get one. You are completely making up problems where there are none. Obviously you have an axe to grind.no actual progress reports That's the only point that you have that's not complete hot air. They should be making more progress reports, that I agree, and if you focused on that point instead of jumping at their throat like an angry pitbull, maybe they'd listen to you...The scam is obvious How is that a scam? They built the software, didn't they? They issued a crypto currency and distributed it, didn't they? They created a market place didn't they? They haven't pulled a runner at all, they are still running the blockchain, they are still working on the project albeit apparently with limited resources and slow progress. How is that a scam? A struggling project, certainly. A scam, absolutely not. What kind of scammers actually do what they say they would and spend hundreds of hours developing all the software and are still around one year later? Or is it that you are salty because you made a bad investment decision and instead of blaming yourself, you blame others because you lack the depth of character to suck it up like a man? Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: wtman on August 25, 2016, 05:21:03 PM I have quoted the actual words from original ICO topic Yes, and these words don't say "never". They said back then when there was only BTC that it would be only BTC and VOX and back then it was true. But they didn't say that this would be only BTC and VOX ever. Again, that would make no sense to make that kind of promise. Interpreting correctly ambiguous sentences requires common sense and good faith. I for one never assumed that Uphold would have only BTC and VOX forever. But probably you won't see it that way because you have a bias. You haven't even explained why it's such a big deal anyway. Do you think listing other coins have had any negative impact on VOX? Get real... Price is down over 1/14th Oh, it's a scam because price went down?Devs are silent They aren't silent at all. They are posting everyday on twitter (https://twitter.com/voxelus), getting featured on VR websites (http://uploadvr.com/voxelus-now-lets-build-vr-worlds-inside-headset/), speaking at conferences (https://twitter.com/Voxelus/status/755869880243531777), posting new videos (https://vimeo.com/177688794)on Vimeo... Took me a 10mn Google search to find updates... You must not be searching very hard. Too busy whining on Bitcointalk I guess...no open slack I don't see how that's a problem so long as you can request for an invite, and get one. You are completely making up problems where there are none. Obviously you have an axe to grind.no actual progress reports That's the only point that you have that's not complete hot air. They should be making more progress reports, that I agree, and if you focused on that point instead of jumping at their throat like an angry pitbull, maybe they'd listen to you...The scam is obvious How is that a scam? They built the software, didn't they? They issued a crypto currency and distributed it, didn't they? They created a market place didn't they? They haven't pulled a runner at all, they are still running the blockchain, they are still working on the project albeit apparently with limited resources and slow progress. How is that a scam? A struggling project, certainly. A scam, absolutely not. What kind of scammers actually do what they say they would and spend hundreds of hours developing all the software and are still around one year later? Or is it that you are salty because you made a bad investment decision and instead of blaming yourself, you blame others because you lack the depth of character to suck it up like a man? They did lie that Uphold will only support Vox and Btc. I'm pretty sure someone will sue them for this. It may not matter to you (we don't care) but it matters to me because they lied. Uphold supporting just bitcoin and Vox was a huge statement of trust, but Vox just ended up being a tier 4 currency there - not in line with the others. An year later you will say that they never claimed Voxels will be the only mode of payment on Voxelus.com Don't fool investors. I wouldn't be surprised if they get sued any day now Price is down because they have been dumping the premine quietly when it was supposed to be released slowly as the platform progresses. They are just scamming initial investors shamelessly. No one was told how it was being dumped. They know it is a scam and no one will buy their premine again, therefore there have been (and there won't be) any more 15% releases, they are just dumping it on poor people quietly instead. What a scam No updates because they don't have much to show. Its the same stuff they are rehashing / making videos of. No open Slack because again its a scam. Nobody wants scrutiny, hence all this pain when questions are being asked. Every legit coin has an open Slack Their forum is dead. This is a million dollar scam. It was a scam by design from the start I think. Halsey Minor is a scamster for this reason. Title: Re: Voxelus Investors Unite To Ask For A Refund Post by: hcbfs on March 20, 2017, 12:38:39 PM For now, it is a joke,lol
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