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I am confused. Still mining ETH / ETC (one at a time). Would like to see them for long time. Please tell me, will etc / eth die soon ? I have seen good volumes in different exchanges, lot of debates, and I am confused. What is actually going on ? Are they dead already ? Or just greedy people are publishing false news to dump the price and greedy traders will buy them to sell at high afterwards?
Please do not confuse me anymore

It's all about money. As long as ETC will continue with generating loads of volume and profit for the big boys, then there is no reason for it to vanish.

It's quite amazing that people actually show big interest in a fork that is just there to cause confusion and to disrupt the original coin.

"Are they dead?"
no

"are they dying?"
apparently, but who would know?

"false news to dump"
Most of the news aren't false, things are not good for them. but i'm still betting on ETC.

They are the most active coins on the altcoin market. ETH is technical dead since its a broken project. When they go to PoS it will be the final nail in the coffin and ETC holders will make massive profit. Whales are accumulating in the 30 to 35 range and it may stay like this for months. Then of course we will have the idiots that cry about missing the ETC boat when they had months to buy cheap.

Etherum Classic have around 8% from all crypto market, so this is very good. Second place after Bitcoin, so I think it will stay in the crypto market at least 2 - 3 years. To make profit, you must buy ETH Classic at right time and sale it also at right time.  ;D

WOW amazing are you clueless and obviously a pointless cancerous profiteer.

Let's address the horrible NOOB advice you handed out..

The fork was made to correct a problem.
The problem is a common one in crypto too.. know what that is ?
I hope so you are the one handing out advice smart guy.

It's all about money you say ?
NO IT IS NOT .
It's about creating a digital currency that will get adopted and used.
The making profitz off coinz is a secondary matter.
NOT SURE WHY YOU ALL HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME GRASPING THIS CONCEPT

AND ETC generating profits for the "big boys" ?
ALL of these scammy ICO "coins" are generating profits for the BIG and LITTLE guys.
That is how they are actually able to get going and stay running.
With out the little guys involved there would be no coin profit scene you call "crypto"

And HOW is ETC or any coin generating profits ?
Someone is buying them !
And often like the OP here is a naive noob that ACTUALLY THINKS these coins have some massive bright future.
They are actually suckered in by predators spouting off about "one day"
Mean while a new coin (1 of thousands) keep rolling out with a new gimmick / tech-excuse
..that takes the majority of users away from the last flavor of the month coin
and the whole process repeats all over again.

Jumping from ship to ship to drain each "promising project" of profits.. then leave it for dead !
And it's not just the "BIG BOYS" doing this it's all of you guys commenting here on this topic !
All of you are a cancer to this scene and bring nothing to the table.
You might as well be digital panhandlers leeching off crypto for chump change.
You SHOULD GTFO !
Your not welcome here in my crypto-scene.. leave.

All the profiteer dick-holster jiggling in the world is not going to magically transform a Pyramid scheme scam into some legit project with a bright future.
Quit being retards. or GTFO.

Go learn what a Pyramid scheme is kidiots.
Most of you really should leave.. crying FUD for bucks $$$ ..is not a reputable occupation.
And you dare argue with me ?
Then take it up with the SEC and their INVESTOR FRAUD WARNING ALERT
https://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf

Go tack a block chain and a scammy token onto a fucking tampon and ICO it you sleazy fucking profit whores !

LOL, please, no one takes you seriously. Go crawl back under the rock where you belong.

The points I came up with are legit and a perfect display of what is happening. Don't come up with loads of crap once again.

Perfect.  ;D

I don't think so, i think it is just fluctuating of price because they are still new coins and i use analysis tecnical for making prediction of price and i don't too thinking about analysis fundamental. Today it is time for wait and see because ETC is going down.

We can say ETC/ETH drama is quite silent for last few days but i am quite sure big boys/whales will soon gonna move market to make profits on swing in price. I think both ETC and ETH will survive in terms of volume for few more days.

they are not dead yet but they will both die one day because it is a flawed project from the base up.

I believe that ETH will die slowly and later because it is manipulated by the devs and the foundation and they have limitless money to throw at it.

ETC will also die slow and can even go higher, and even enter a bubble phase because people who were interested in ethereum and/or are looking for profit and can't find it in the manipulated version (eth) will move to ETC and pump it.

If the Ethereum Classic can survive in the next two months, it could be very good investment for the longer term.

that is irrelevant i think.
Ethereum Classic will surely survive in the next two months and more and will surely see some pumps to the moon and dumps back down but that doesn't make it a good investment for long term since ethereum is not good in first place to begin with!

They just started less than a year ago at least for ETH so with all the hype surrounding it how can it be dead? :(

This is what i am talking about..

Noobs have NO CLUE what they are talking about.
And are here for no other reason that to worm some profits off of ANYTHING they can.
All of you need to work on your shit !

ETH came out less than a year ago you just said ?
Why did i create s scam topic in 2014 then ?
What year is it NOOB ?  ::)

Reality..
You can interchange the coin names and it makes no difference to 90% of the scene..
What does that tell you ?
Anything ?

blah blah blah white paper.. blah blah ROI.. blah blah investment.. blah blah blah..

PS:
Yeah as dead as they get anyway.
Destined to toil around here as another of the thousands of pissy ass gay scam coins.
That never truly never die but loiter at the bottom of the barrel..
Accomplishing nothing ever.

ETc and eth in still run and work and good price
you can see comunity ethereum hard fork(ETH) and ethereum classic is high community
effect high community in volume transaction in market placed exchanger ETH and ETC still high

I take him seriously  :)


Although im kind of confused with that particular post. Its pretty apparent that most people care more about lining their pockets then doing something for the greater good.


Went back and re-read it as im typing this and now I understand.

ROFL. I'm usually on the same page with Spoet, it's just hard to follow his tone sometimes. You start reading and you are ike 'Naw, no one gets this mad' then three all caps paragraphs later, you are like 'oh shit bro he is oh so serious'. But, he makes perfect sense most of the time, people feign not understanding him to be dismissive.

Sorry, friends, I don't think there will be what good things between ETC and ETH, all interests at work

Exactly! People tend to see the "wall o text" and dismiss it as rantings. But if you read it you gain an appreciation of Spoetnik and what he says by reading between the lines.

Yes I speculate a sudden rise in hashing power of ETC in anticipation of parity with ETH. This will happen after the ETC hard fork to remove the difficulty bomb and fix the replay attack issue.

That took me off guard.. i started LOL'ing for real with a super loud snort HAHHAHAHAH
What part ?
The whole "i'm angry" part.

God i can't even..  ::)

Are you fuckers still trying to troll me with that years later ?
For the love of fucking god come up with new material.
Ya all harp & whine and caw & grind away like crows hammering away on the same retorts here.
Yup mmmmhhhhmmm i terribly ANGRY !!!!!!
Ohhhh so god damn cotton pickin' angry i just ..i just.. i dunno wanna buy Altcoins ? LOL

Not everyone is an emotional little cow who goes online to "make friends" and cry like a bitch about their feelings.

I was good at trading why ?
Because i am not emotional but analytical.

There is absolutely nothing what so ever i do in my life that is not done for a good logical reason.
As a kid my Dad died and i said OK.. and went back to playing with my toys.
Little Sister ? Same.
Grandpa ? same.
......
I am a monster ..i am a machine of FUD  8)

I post what i do because it needs to be said.
Because morons need to be straitened out.
Because idiots ruining crypto should not logically be allowed to do it.
Especially when it's the NOOBS who just got here fucking it all bad.

Especially when i keep saying they will make a mess then wander off leaving us that STAY to clean it up for them.
Which has been happening..

The only explanation i can possibly think of is people accuse me of things THEY are guilty of.

You all pull your pants down and run around shitting all over everything then act dumb about it.
Why should i kiss your ass or be nice to you ?
You all don't deserve it.
You all the (the overwhelming majority *in control*) play dumb with the context of the entire situation.
..and your own actions that are causing it all.

All i see & hear here on the forum is a growing amount of dipshitery from worthless cancer head greedy pathetic loser moron profiteers and the advice is now coming from 1 post new accounts.. and 99% REALLY bad advice.
Am i suppose to drop to my knees and kiss their ass for their blatant shilling stupidity ?

The only commentary i ever see is "how much will my shitcoins be worth in a few years" type comments..
NOT "What are the long term effects of what we are doing ?"
..because you all don't care if there is negative consequences.
As long as you get PAID BITCOIN or FIAT $$$ short term.

THAT *IS* stupid.
So you deserve to be called stupid ..logically.
You earned it !

Rants ?
Because you all have nothing to say.
Nothing but the same cliche'd 4 or 5 retorts repeated all year round.
Dipped & denial and soaked in greed with a side of ICO white papers.

When people are frauds and push Pyramid schemes so they can make 45 cents should i be
super happy go lucky Asian guy ?
Do you feel proud of yourselves suckering in victims to a scam ?
..just so you can profit off it ?

You all try and bend over backwards trying to justify it all and stretch the links to your door.
And the majority (not here) KNOWS BETTER and are not suckered by scam coins.
Most of you participate in all this crap on purpose knowing they are bad.
I care about the 0.01% who are vulnerable and who get suckered by shit talking shill SPAMMERS.
Who are relentless here trying to "legitimatize bad"

Don't forget MOST OF YOU have not even been around to see how fucking shitty this has gotten.
Were you here in this forum section in 2012 or 2013 ?
I was.
So you show up late trying to lower the bar even after it's already scraping on the ground firing sparks all over the place.. then get lippy defending what ever new scammy ass Pyramid scheme bullshit you will to shill / profit with.
Then you go silent and drop it.

AND THAT IS WHEN THE PEOPLE GET BURNED !

After you dumped quietly when no one was looking and wandered off.
All of a sudden the chants of "FUD" go quiet and you all went gallivanting off to your next flavor of the month scam.. over & over year after year.. wanna buy some Doge or AUR or URO ? or.. ?
TRYING to pop up again later like you have some sort of cred in the scene  ::)

All i ever said was you all want to create a scene that is nothing but a massive Pyramid scheme system?
then fine.. own it.
Admit it and quit trying to play dumb about it.

Grow a pair for christ sakes and quit playing dumb.. it's not working.
You guys are are not fooling anyone.. the world thinks it's scammy and avoids this crap.
Even if you want to deny it.
Are you all as a majority going to address the no. 1 glaring problem ?
Hell no !
You don't care.
You all don't care if a coin is even a currency or if it gets adopted.
Or if REAL supports (users of a currency) show up.
You're happy just as long as more greedy profiteers like yourself keep piling in to keep the ponzi profiteer pyramid scheme system running.

All you (the majority) in the Altcoin scene do is talk shit non stop.
Actions speak louder than words and your words betray the verbal diarrhea you spew 24/7.
Look at the popularity of Ethereum..
Who here has made topic on DAPPS made etc ?
Nobody.
How many topics are there on Centralized Exchange prices ?
ALL OF THEM.

Actions speak louder than words.
And you are all (as a majority) caught busted red handed talking out your ass.
So fuck yeah someone should call you out on it !

And am i mad ?
Hell no i invested 0 cents and made like 12 grand and cashed out and spent it.

I had my fun (before it got bad) and cashed out because it was the logical thing to do.
I *COULD* have continued on easily but i choose to decline participation in a scammy scene.
I CHOSE to have some integrity & class when others sold it for altcoin profits.

Mad ?
You all are because you don't have my skills and lack of emotions trading.
I made money off any coin i wanted.
I don't have to get in on the ground floor of scam coins waiting for pumps etc.
You all proven you have ZERO trading skills.

Took me ages to make 1 single Litecoin and i turned that later in to 12 thousand dollars.
When i bet most of you simply went to the bank and took out cash.. REAL money $$$
Gimme a break you're not in my league clowns. LOL
I am far above you greedy little noob profiteers kidiots.

YOU make 12 grand with 0 cents invested while NEVER owning 1 single ICO scam coin ?
I did fuckers !
Can you say the same ?
Nope.. mad ?
Ya.. YOU ARE !

Because you know i am right and i have more skill and i am smarter.
Stupid & lazy wanna whine at me ?
Go for it.. don't bother me none.
I made my money and even lit some on fire and posted pic's of it to mock you all. hahhahahaha

Does watching an exchange add Ethereum and not Litecoin make me ANGRY ?
No ..it disgusts me big time.
I am disappointed in what the scene has done.. not mad about it.
If you watched it spiral out of control like i did you would understand.

ETH is dead and the current high price is the result of manipulation and the whales of etehreum pumping it to the max they can afford to.

but ETC is a growing coin and although it will end up in the same place as ETH but it has still some life left in it.

It was nice of Elaine to code the light wallet. Does ETH have a light wallet? I do not think they do after all this time. That shows how disconnected the Ethereum foundation is with their community. But I could be wrong. If I am please show me where the ETH light wallet is.

If there is no manipulation of the ETC, the price will be low than 0.1 dollars.  I think it could be scam to entrap many investors.

Price and volume is going under sea water. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER HARD FORK FOR ETC? IS IT GOOD FOR Etc?

There is a vote about the top altcoins.

The Ethereum has about 14% of the votes. The number 2 is Monero has 7%. It is quite usual to see so many ETH supporter

The magic keeping the ETH price high is a ton of people that bought in at 15$ plus levels.
The next great fiasco will be devastating, those into schadenfreude won't be dissapointed.

For ETC, yes. A hard fork to remove the difficulty bomb and to fix the replay attack issue will be really good. This will make ETC truly diverge from ETH and it will make the platform more attractive to miners because by removing the difficulty bomb it is like saying that POW will stay for a long time. ETH will switch to POS so that will make the miners look for other coins to mine. The easy choice will be ETC.

These votes are always stupid. What is the criteria? How much money that particular alt can make someone?

I think ETH best but now ETC and ETH will the same time

Synereo is coming. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995987.0)

I saw that a few weeks ago.

There are many other developers have declared that they will support the ETH 100%.

But ETC = Old ETH chain and ETH = fork of the chain. Then ETH should dry up soon, correct me if I am wrong

There are not people who know is ETC/ETH dead(there are not people who know about future), they just can make prediction about that. I just will make prediction about price of ETC because i was traded it. And for today price of ETC is still going down.

Because of price ETC going down doesn't mean it is dead, in my opinion it is just fluctuating and it is normal. Today is time for buy ETC hold until price going up again. But that is my way of trading ETC.

i don't really understand who in his right mind would choose ethereum as a good altcoin when there are many better coins.
of course this is unless they are getting paid to choose ethereum as their vote!

ETH /ETC has most amazing volume and supports. Those 2 important factors can change the scenerio.

I believe ETH/ETC will definitely bounce back  and soon the price will rise big time without a doubt. 

It seems most people think differently from your thoughts.

That could be due to the fact the Ethereum is quite unique as it is not a clone of bitcoin.

That is logical way of thinking, ETC also has a lot of support with the community and the market to handle the sells.

But Logic does not fit the agenda of fudsters

thats true, only etc can grow from now on, to be honest and make us some good money over time but i would still be careful with it

The ETC price has reduced a lot in the last few weeks.

So the fuds are taking effect on the price of the ETC for the time being.

ETC is fine, right now there is more sellers than buyers and the reversal will occur after DTHs get their ETC which might not be that big of a drop if any for the ETC price when it occurs given that most DTHs are disgruntled with ETH and Dao after being played for suckers. The real sell offs have likely already occurred as an anticipation for this. We'll just have to wait and see when the WHGs finally release the hostage they tried to smuggle through the borders of Polo.

Exaggerations on markets goes both ways and ETC will go through the same cycles as other markets. Every new case tends to be slightly different but in a nut shell rather similar.

The real sell off has not started yet for the ETC. The hacker has 3% of the total ETC to sell.
The Etheruem Foundation also has a lot to sell.

That hacker can manipulate the ETC price without selling the ETC by himself. He can raise the price by saying he is not going to sell.

Anything may happen in crypto. Some TH fanboys are dreaming of high price due to some upcoming project in ETH. ETC fanboys are ignoring ETH as ETH is nothing but a fork. many men Many mind. So, i think we should research first and should not invest the money beyond our limit, the lose we can not tolerate.

It does not matter if a coin is a fork. As long as it is developed properly, the people will support it and the price will rise.

it seems both coins are alive and shining. Good volume, good community.

several days ago i was thought price for ETC will not rise up again and last night my friend has suggest to me that buy more ETC has very good so i'm listen to him and bought several ETH and seems his predictions was very correct because today ETC price has rise up and i was already got profit for that

If you Bought ETH then you are not in a profit. But if it was ETC then yes you are making some profit

I think the Ethereum price is consolidating at the moment. The whales are accumulating. When they get enough, the price will rise a lot soon.

Either ETH or ETC will go high soon. But it is unlikely that both of them will ruin. If ETC gets enough support they may over take ETH. But ETH has awesome community and financial support.

I think ETH, ETC and other upcoming forks will stay alive for some time because there's so many believers.

I do not think so. If there is another fork of ETC, then the ETC will be dead coin as the mining hash will be even lower.

ETC will most likely die but I think ETH will be around for many years to come.

With the ongoing price resurgence of ETH it's very likely ETC will also follow.

until now ethereum eth and ethereum clasicc etc
still good coin solid community use eth and etc, solid still big community
you can see volume transaction ethereum classic and ethereum still big
so i think not die

That is right. The Ethereum is still under good development and it is good community support in the past.

it's actually matter, or everyone would only make clone of a clone and you will only see ethereum clone lol, clone of clone are not seen very well it's better to start a new project with some different features to make it unique

That is true. The Etheruem price is lower than the price before the hard fork. So it has bad effect.

I think there will be a blood bath for the eth. ETH, ETC and new clone will come in future. Some may find it as scam. If people loose trust , there will be massive dump in ETC and ETH too. Coin with unique feature will get massive pump soon. And mining will see THE END soon

good answer..

Ethereum has always been an accident going somewhere to happen right from the start. It has too many shady stories for it to last very long unlike litecoin which still stands against all odds.

Litecoin stands, but lets be honest, it is as good as dead now.

Ethereum stories of shady dealings is just rhetoric from the Bitcoin fanatics.  Ethereum has achieved more than any other blockchain in the past year.  Ups and downs will need to happen to everyone before it hits mainstream, the same has happened to Bitcoin as well.

Maybe just because the person itself is greedy, he/she want etc/eth be gone in the cryptocurrency. But in my assessment even its a clone of bitcoin their both establish a good community in bitcoin world.

ETH was getting numerous small and big attacks from last few months. Is it getting too much attacks from enemies or they are buggy , I do not know. Price and volume of both coins are going down. They are suffering a lot. BTW i made decent profit from eth and etc and hope they will live long .

I do not think its bad or that its gonna die, I think we just need some patient it will get back up without any doubts.
It has a pretty okay future if you are asking me.

Its indeed not bad but the fact is that its hard to say what is gonna happen with it, I think that it has a great future and that it can even win from the bitcoin on a long term.
It maybe sounds crazy but I really have this feeling.

So far, these two alts ETC and ETH there price right now can be considerate as good, they're also build both good community here in bitcoin world, so I don't think they're be dead. as long as there investor buying there coins it will continually exist.

http://coincidental.eu/2016/10/10/the-ethereum-era-is-over-for-now/

Will they go to POS soon ? What if these coins turn into POS and gpu mining will be not viable as it is now. In a day or two , mining new coin will not be profitable due to sky high difficulties and network hashrate. I will miss these 2 coin.

WHY ?

Notice how you are all lining up to say that over & over ?
Yet how many of you have said you *USED* Ethereum ?

0.

All of you are checking scam coin "prices" on Poloniex etc.

Sitting there as dumb fuck bag holders with some retarded optimistic vision that your scam coin ICO scheme tokens will magically for some reason suddenly shoot up in value..

But WHY would it ?

I don't suppose it would have anything to do with it's usage would it ?

And isn't that the point of you guys "investing" like they are "Penny Stocks" ?
Let me pose a scenario for you little mensa geniuses.

I start a company then say it will make magical doodad's.
Then i go public with my company then rake in millions of dollars..
Then as the leader i admit publicly that i dumped much of my "holdings" for a million dollars.
Ok so now look around.. who is using the doodad's ?

NOBODY !

What has happened is the SAME people who bought into the ICO are the SAME ones creating a facade of fake usage.
Those little lists of APP's / Smart Contracts that you all post occasionally are just an attempt by crypto nerd profiteer bag holders to prop up their scam..
They are NOT real world usage by common folk who came onto the scene and decided to USE the doodad thingamabobber because they wanted to "use it"

In other words Ethereum..

That is the TRUTH and you can deny it all you want it makes no difference.
At the end of the day you are all just acting like greedy deceitful bag holders.
Most of whom bought in high and are now trapped hoping to eventually break even.

I suggest you all use better judgement in the future and get out of it when you can.
Supporting ICO scheme's for profit is not a sensible "investment"  ::)

Etc/ eth is not dead, as verified the market is still active.
As we notice eth still active in the market, traders still
doing buy/sell this coins. As long there is traders
the market is still active.

I am not sure about the ETC. But the ETH still has quite active development. So it will survive at lease in the short term.

It seems to me that ETH will survive , at least for short times. But ETC price is falling sharply and we are having least response from the community. Slow progress, low volumes in exchanges and whatever progress it makes has no effect on large scale.

not dead but may be soon,you never know

Both the ETC and ETH are under some kinds of attack. The ETH can hard fork easily, so it might survive.

i read and it was true. Zcash affect the price of ETH and ETC badly. But what is new in ZEC ? Why the price is sky high ? I saw someone bought ZEC @1000 btc , even more. Are they insane ?

I think it's done due to bloated chain and being overly complex (read: overly attackable). It'll never be a healthy coin for that reason.
They'll have to fork once or twice a month for years to come. There is not the slightest chance of actual adoption in business and commerce. It's useless from an economic standpoint because money needs to be reliable.  

Since there are some fanboys and believers left it'll likely die the slow death. There might be a pump for the pos implementation but afterwards it's certainly deader than dead.

The Ethereum system is too complex. So it cannot be designed from the beginning. More repairs are needed.

Yeah just like OS X and Windows. Too complex, cannot be designed from the beginning. More repairs needed. Holy fuck maybe you're onto something.