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Title: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
Here I am going to keep an updated list of Bitcoin casinos. If you know of any site that is not here, please let me know and I'll add it.

Site  Status  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Announcement  Comments
Betcoin.ag  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424598.0)  Refused to pay a jackpot because it was won during free spins.
This was against their Terms. Player reached a settlement with them. Reference (http://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/)

Cloudbet  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS      Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.0)  *Some players report not receiving their payments until they
actively open a Scam Accusation against them. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0), Reference #3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1497105.0)

999dice  SCAM        DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.0)  Not provably fair (and they claim they are). Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0)

Betcoin.tm  SCAM  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.0)  Does not pay out winnings. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0)

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This list is not meant to be your only resource to help fight scams while using bitcoin casinos. Make sure you do your own research before depositing into any site. This includes googling the site and reading the last few pages of their BitcoinTalk.org announcement threads.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: numanoid on August 22, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
999dice, you can find more reason why this is a scam and rigged site in this thread (link) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bitkilo on August 22, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
I'm not sure if there is already a thread for this but great idea if not.

Betcoin.ag may be paying out everyday wins but reading about the guy that won a jackpot during free spins and not being paid out in full has put me off them for life.
He was even betting max which is way out of my price range (probably my bankroll per spin) and their site did not specify that the jackpot could not be won during free spins.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
999dice, you can find more reason why this is a scam and rigged site in this thread (link) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0
Thanks a lot. I will add them now.
I'm not sure if there is already a thread for this but great idea if not.

Betcoin.ag may be paying out everyday wins but reading about the guy that won a jackpot during free spins and not being paid out in full has put me off them for life.
He was even betting max which is way out of my price range (probably my bankroll per spin) and their site did not specify that the jackpot could not be won during free spins.
Do you have a link? That'd be extremely worrying at least - making excuses not to pay big wins. Some casinos do indeed have limits of free winnings on free spins, but if they don't then they outright stole from him.

EDIT: it seems they reached a settlement: http://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/

Shall I add them with a note?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on August 22, 2016, 11:29:42 AM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: EdenHazard on August 22, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
there a lot of similar thread like this , but feel free to create a new one as long as it has real different topic.

for example , this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1326821.0 discussed about bitcoin scam sites including bitcoin casino , you can refer to that thread to create your own casino scam list. goodluck.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: olubams on August 22, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
This is a good idea, but i will like to add that the list should not just be updated as soon as someone makes an allegation. I think there should be a sublist which will represent pending that the site admin or representative can respond within a period of time before being moved to the list of scam sites. This will give room for proper understanding of what actually transpired between both parties... My opinion though...


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 11:41:19 AM
This is a good idea, but i will like to add that the list should not just be updated as soon as someone makes an allegation. I think there should be a sublist which will represent pending that the site admin or representative can respond within a period of time before being moved to the list of scam sites. This will give room for proper understanding of what actually transpired between both parties... My opinion though...
This was my idea, however so far all the sites that have been brought up are obvious scams. For example, in the case of 999dice, the fact that the intentionally generate the hash after knowing the bet details couldn't be any more obvious.

Of course, for other accusations where nothing has been proven and there has been no scam accusation thread (so the other party can defend themselves) it will only stay as "pending" or something like that.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bitkilo on August 22, 2016, 11:41:33 AM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received.
The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos.
I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take.
(Sorry to hijack your thread, i will try to find another place to ask these questions)


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 11:50:36 AM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received.
The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos.
I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take.
It seems no such rule existed beforehand. Have a look here, he posted all the transcripts to their forum:

https://www.betcoin.ag/non-payment-jackpot-glam-life-my-support-ticket-transcript

(this was before they reached the settlement). So I consider it a SCAM. It's obviously Betcoin.ag's fault for not knowing how their provider's games work, so they promised a win that couldn't exist in that situation.

(Sorry to hijack your thread, i will try to find another place to ask these questions)
Hijack? We're trying to make a decent list of scammers. If we don't discuss about who is and who isn't one, how are we supposed to do it? :)


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bitkilo on August 22, 2016, 12:06:57 PM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received.
The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos.
I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take.
It seems no such rule existed beforehand. Have a look here, he posted all the transcripts to their forum:

https://www.betcoin.ag/non-payment-jackpot-glam-life-my-support-ticket-transcript

(this was before they reached the settlement). So I consider it a SCAM. It's obviously Betcoin.ag's fault for not knowing how their provider's games work, so they promised a win that couldn't exist in that situation.
Thats right no rule at betcoin existed before this incident so they were at fault, but was it that they did not read the terms and conditions of the game from BetSoft and therefore fucked up 100% or did BetSoft not tell betcoin that the jackpot could not be won during the free spins?

If BetSoft did tell betcoin.ag about the clause then why did they involve themselves with this case, just because the game was played on their servers?
Maybe they just provide great support but it just seemed strange to me.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 12:28:10 PM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received.
The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos.
I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take.
It seems no such rule existed beforehand. Have a look here, he posted all the transcripts to their forum:

https://www.betcoin.ag/non-payment-jackpot-glam-life-my-support-ticket-transcript

(this was before they reached the settlement). So I consider it a SCAM. It's obviously Betcoin.ag's fault for not knowing how their provider's games work, so they promised a win that couldn't exist in that situation.
Thats right no rule at betcoin existed before this incident so they were at fault, but was it that they did not read the terms and conditions of the game from BetSoft and therefore fucked up 100% or did BetSoft not tell betcoin that the jackpot could not be won during the free spins?

If BetSoft did tell betcoin.ag about the clause then why did they involve themselves with this case, just because the game was played on their servers?
Maybe they just provide great support but it just seemed strange to me.
They do state "Hello jasonort, we sent this to the software provider for review and we are reviewing it internally. There are a few reasons why this may happen including this was a free spin or bonus round which was not mentioned here but we will see what the software provider states very shortly."

So I'say they knew.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Dyatrev on August 22, 2016, 12:37:28 PM
add fortune jack to the list while they refused to pay video contest prizes


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
add fortune jack to the list while they refused to pay video contest prizes
Do you have a link I can check out?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Aleister Crowley on August 22, 2016, 12:51:48 PM
i think someone need to create a scam casino list thread with a very good english , and very good thread design.
and the thread must be stickied so noone will ask or create a same thread over and over again about scam casino list.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Dyatrev on August 22, 2016, 01:06:38 PM
add fortune jack to the list while they refused to pay video contest prizes
Do you have a link I can check out?

check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.0


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: septian44 on August 22, 2016, 01:41:42 PM
add fortune jack to the list while they refused to pay video contest prizes
Do you have a link I can check out?

check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.0
whether op will add to the list I do not think so everyone had done bad things replying with a smile.
all sites do not pay people want to know and they never get into the site again warning before play small prize to pay is good for site


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: philiveyjr on August 22, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
I would suggest adding a note in the op for any sites not covered in the list.

"If You are new to gambling and don't know about a particular site being a scam or not. Then do you own research by googling the name and going to the ANN thread on btctalk and looking at the last few comments on the thread to see the state of the site"


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.0
Okay, waiting for other's opinions on this one, since it doesn't involve the casino bets themselves.

I would suggest adding a note in the op for any sites not covered in the list.

"If You are new to gambling and don't know about a particular site being a scam or not. Then do you own research by googling the name and going to the ANN thread on btctalk and looking at the last few comments on the thread to see the state of the site"
This is a great idea. I will add something like this.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: iv4n on August 22, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
Nice idea to make list about not paying or scam casinos. I support idea, and I hope this can be useful to everyone who wish to gamble with bitcoins.
I followed a bit situation around betcoin.ag, seems that in the end betsoft made a deal with Jason. I'm not sure what happened there, casino said its betsoft mistake, some members here accused betcoin.ag. Last I remember is that Jason got some money from them, I'm not sure how much.
I recommend that every information be checked twice, with bad reputation we can harm some site without any need for that.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 22, 2016, 02:01:10 PM
Nice idea to make list about not paying or scam casinos. I support idea, and I hope this can be useful to everyone who wish to gamble with bitcoins.
I followed a bit situation around betcoin.ag, seems that in the end betsoft made a deal with Jason. I'm not sure what happened there, casino said its betsoft mistake, some members here accused betcoin.ag. Last I remember is that Jason got some money from them, I'm not sure how much.
I recommend that every information be checked twice, with bad reputation we can harm some site without any need for that.
Okay, I think I am going to add those who pay but have had problems historically in another, separated section. That way people can make an informed decision.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 04:36:40 PM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bitkilo on August 22, 2016, 09:37:17 PM
check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1434612.0
Okay, waiting for other's opinions on this one, since it doesn't involve the casino bets themselves.
I would not add Fortune Jack to the list.
The situation mentioned above is about the payout problems with a youtube contest and not the casino payouts.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: ralle14 on August 22, 2016, 10:40:36 PM
You might want to add cloudbet in the list of not paying I see some gamblers having a hard time to withdraw their balance from the site. Here's a few scam accusation about them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 23, 2016, 12:59:19 AM
You might want to add cloudbet in the list of not paying I see some gamblers having a hard time to withdraw their balance from the site. Here's a few scam accusation about them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0

Hmm. Looks like sometimes there are very considerable delays on withdrawals, or maybe in those cases they don't send it until the player opens a scam accusation thread.

Adding it to the "with problems" list pending further action. I think we need input from the site admin - so if it happens more times, we know they're actively "missing" withdrawals.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: tsaroz on August 23, 2016, 03:53:10 AM
Wow I never expected something like betcoin would degrade their name this way. The thread would be an important tool for monitoring Casinos.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Superhitech on August 23, 2016, 04:30:24 AM
I wouldn't say betcoin reached a settlement; they kind of forced the guy to accept it in exchange for his silence; which is why trusted users on the forum have left negative trust on betcoin's profile. They also have more issues you can read about here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261


I think you should be fine playing on betcoin, it's just that there are way more added risks of losing money.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: tabas on August 23, 2016, 04:58:46 AM
I wouldn't say betcoin reached a settlement; they kind of forced the guy to accept it in exchange for his silence; which is why trusted users on the forum have left negative trust on betcoin's profile. They also have more issues you can read about here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261


I think you should be fine playing on betcoin, it's just that there are way more added risks of losing money.


Well I didn't thought that betcoin.ag is going to be on this list but I think as of now they are getting back the reputation they already have from the past. And not just the only issue of betcoin well it is going to depend on you guys if you are going to keep on trusting that site or you are going to stay away from it.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: XERES on August 23, 2016, 05:26:37 AM
Please add betcoin.tm to scam list, they didn't pay withdrawals from the user that winning and having luck while playing in their casinos but they refuse to pay.
Some link Scam Accusations against betcoin.tm: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0
Also regarding 999dice.com seuntjie explain something about 999dice scam it was not long ago check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.msg15896691#msg15896691 he said it's provably fair and he verified all the rolls.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Bitcoin Marketing on August 23, 2016, 06:47:41 AM
There are review websites presenting this info on daily basis



Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: LoyceV on August 23, 2016, 07:06:41 AM
999dice, you can find more reason why this is a scam and rigged site in this thread (link) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0
They used to show the site's profit along with the total wagered. Dividing wagered by profit showed the house edge was about 4 times higher than advertised.
Now they stopped showing their profit.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: plpbtc1526 on August 23, 2016, 09:16:23 AM
They are not gonna stop scamming people until they are not reported. Luckily, some victims are post their complain here. These sites cuold be dead if they are not gonna stop doing bullshits. This also a reminder to all gambling sites that play fair as the costumers do. Your reputation is at stake here, if you scam your customer no onw will trust you again.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: norsklaks on August 23, 2016, 09:28:27 AM
Betcoin is decent I like use it, but if the jackpot was hit not in the free spins, would they pay? Just curious.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: zend7 on August 23, 2016, 10:17:41 AM
Betcoin is decent I like use it, but if the jackpot was hit not in the free spins, would they pay? Just curious.

Yeah betcoin was decent however now if you like betcoin I am sure you will love satoshigames as they have much more slots than betcoin offering you much more possibilities to win. You can even try the games for free by playing for fun in satoshigames a feature which is lately removed from betcoin. You can play with small minimum bet in satoshigames in certain slots compared to betcoin so I think you should really switch for your own good.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: olympicwinner on August 23, 2016, 10:46:07 AM
Please add betcoin.tm to scam list, they didn't pay withdrawals from the user that winning and having luck while playing in their casinos but they refuse to pay.
Some link Scam Accusations against betcoin.tm: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0
Also regarding 999dice.com seuntjie explain something about 999dice scam it was not long ago check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.msg15896691#msg15896691 he said it's provably fair and he verified all the rolls.


This betcoin.tm is an old scam for a long time, but betcoin.ag is legit, only the jackpot thing is controversial.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Cuhua-hua on August 23, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
They are not gonna stop scamming people until they are not reported. Luckily, some victims are post their complain here. These sites cuold be dead if they are not gonna stop doing bullshits. This also a reminder to all gambling sites that play fair as the costumers do. Your reputation is at stake here, if you scam your customer no onw will trust you again.

Yeah, something good will definitely not announced by users annoyed to those sites. So I think the cloud is indeed this site would be a bad thing for you. the best sites are sites that remain consistent to run something that was once he was talking about


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 23, 2016, 03:05:01 PM
Please add betcoin.tm to scam list, they didn't pay withdrawals from the user that winning and having luck while playing in their casinos but they refuse to pay.
Some link Scam Accusations against betcoin.tm: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0
Also regarding 999dice.com seuntjie explain something about 999dice scam it was not long ago check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.msg15896691#msg15896691 he said it's provably fair and he verified all the rolls.

Adding Betcoin.tm. Also going to check out the 999dice problem.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Yutikas_11920 on August 23, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on August 23, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Really nice thread. Little by little the list is being added up with sh it casinos that want to suck our money. Let's keep this thread always to the top or a sticky in the gambling section if it isn't already a sticky. Any problem that we will report will have a huge impact in the bitcoin casino. If they don't fix it for sure they will lose a heck of a lot of number of customers and thats what not good for a casino. As with everything in life if you play fair you will be OK but if you try to cheat sooner or later you will regret this way of living.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 23, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Superhitech on August 24, 2016, 05:10:39 AM
There are review websites presenting this info on daily basis



Could you please link us to some of these websites? Maybe they'd help OP to update his thread with the relevant information needed.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: XERES on August 24, 2016, 05:27:24 AM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: tabas on August 24, 2016, 05:29:58 AM
Please add betcoin.tm to scam list, they didn't pay withdrawals from the user that winning and having luck while playing in their casinos but they refuse to pay.
Some link Scam Accusations against betcoin.tm: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0
Also regarding 999dice.com seuntjie explain something about 999dice scam it was not long ago check here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.msg15896691#msg15896691 he said it's provably fair and he verified all the rolls.


This betcoin.tm is an old scam for a long time, but betcoin.ag is legit, only the jackpot thing is controversial.

Well that is going to put some slash to their trust and reputation for the people who are using their website. Especially when another jackpot is going to get by a new gambler. For sure there is going to be another problem from it. But they said that they have settled things already but still I'm curious and doubtful about it.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Script3d on August 24, 2016, 07:48:43 AM
this is very useful information for those new to gambling

thanks for the information


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Jasad on August 24, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
this is very useful information for those new to gambling

thanks for the information
the thread like "scam casino list" are popping up every year ,
none of them refered as a useful thread unless there is a moderator created this one ,
the source of scam site must valid and come from trustable person ,
i believe this thread will not survive for long time enough.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 24, 2016, 01:08:13 PM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.
My bad. The button's name is "Get Server Seed Hash ". It is in the fair bets tab.

If you don't click it, there is no way to prove that 999dice couldn't manipulate the results. You have to explicitly ask them for the bet to be probably fair.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Superhitech on August 26, 2016, 12:01:58 AM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.
My bad. The button's name is "Get Server Seed Hash ". It is in the fair bets tab.

If you don't click it, there is no way to prove that 999dice couldn't manipulate the results. You have to explicitly ask them for the bet to be probably fair.

I'm still surprised 999dice even has any players after being exposed for not being provably fair. They're just getting their money taken away from them.

On the other hand, would it be fair every single time we ask them for the hash? Betting would be really slow, but if it's provably fair every time you ask them for the hash, it would really have the lowest house edge in the industry.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 26, 2016, 12:05:30 AM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.
My bad. The button's name is "Get Server Seed Hash ". It is in the fair bets tab.

If you don't click it, there is no way to prove that 999dice couldn't manipulate the results. You have to explicitly ask them for the bet to be probably fair.

I'm still surprised 999dice even has any players after being exposed for not being provably fair. They're just getting their money taken away from them.

On the other hand, would it be fair every single time we ask them for the hash? Betting would be really slow, but if it's provably fair every time you ask them for the hash, it would really have the lowest house edge in the industry.
I wouldn't personally trust a casino who does this. They have proven that they are actively trying to deceive users (they've taken no action to correct the problem) so basically anything could be expected from them.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: maku on August 26, 2016, 12:09:10 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bitkilo on August 26, 2016, 02:29:57 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.
It probably just comes down to advertising, if they can get a players attention then that's all they need.
Most people won't bother to check if any scam accusations exists before gambling at an online casino which is crazy really, especially in the bitcoin world.
 


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: malcovixeffect on August 26, 2016, 03:19:10 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.

Give rain for the beggars and those beggars would defend the site for free cos they dont want their beloved scum site to be gone. Also those beggars would refer their other beggar friends.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Bitinity on August 26, 2016, 04:03:03 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.

Give rain for the beggars and those beggars would defend the site for free cos they dont want their beloved scum site to be gone. Also those beggars would refer their other beggar friends.

That's the main reason why 999dice still have great traffic than other dice site. The admin always giving away some mbtc, and many of those people who get the free mbtc saying that they are the best site to play. Those people will never care about the fake provably fair as long as they can earn some bits without doing nothing.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: casinobonusgiveaway on August 26, 2016, 04:28:30 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.

Give rain for the beggars and those beggars would defend the site for free cos they dont want their beloved scum site to be gone. Also those beggars would refer their other beggar friends.

That's the main reason why 999dice still have great traffic than other dice site. The admin always giving away some mbtc, and many of those people who get the free mbtc saying that they are the best site to play. Those people will never care about the fake provably fair as long as they can earn some bits without doing nothing.

They scam people's bitcoin, and they paid the btc to new players, and new players lost money there. Which is a very elaborate scam. The another example is betcoin.tm(not .ag), they offer 888 btc no deposit bonus, sane people would know this is a joke and scam, but still some moron people got scammed there, sad.  :'(


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: marketone on August 26, 2016, 04:29:51 AM
Cloudbet pays but they always try to find a way not to pay out settled bet for their sports book bets.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on August 31, 2016, 10:36:18 PM
Thinking about adding CoinRoyale. There seems to be zero support which leads to situations like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1603185.0


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on September 03, 2016, 07:43:16 AM
Cloudbet pays but they always try to find a way not to pay out settled bet for their sports book bets.
What do you mean?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: bajing on September 03, 2016, 08:28:04 AM
What is really amazing here is that 999dice.com despite being discovered as a scam with fake Provably Fair system is alive and apparently is rather popular.
They don't give a damn about our rating and we as a community can't do anything to influence their actions.

Give rain for the beggars and those beggars would defend the site for free cos they dont want their beloved scum site to be gone. Also those beggars would refer their other beggar friends.

That's the main reason why 999dice still have great traffic than other dice site. The admin always giving away some mbtc, and many of those people who get the free mbtc saying that they are the best site to play. Those people will never care about the fake provably fair as long as they can earn some bits without doing nothing.
Yes i guess it makes not a lot of evidence to say that 999dice is scam though many feel like it including me. 999dice never give free mbtc to the player only a little satoshi.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: BitMaxz on September 03, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
I thought that betcoin.ag is also one of them scammers because i saw the owner's account here that he receive lots of negative trust.
But he still running in continue his campaign.. well if he still paying i think there is some mistake or misunderstanding about the issue when there is someone got jackpot in the game and free spin. and i think if they continue they will build reputation again..


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: septian44 on September 03, 2016, 12:01:54 PM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.
My bad. The button's name is "Get Server Seed Hash ". It is in the fair bets tab.

If you don't click it, there is no way to prove that 999dice couldn't manipulate the results. You have to explicitly ask them for the bet to be probably fair.
Lack of Payment - You play to have fun, but you also play to win money. So when you do hit a payday, you want to get your hands on your cash quickly. Some casinos pay pretty instantly. Other casinos can take 30 days or so to pay. That's acceptable in some instances. But when a casino leaves you hanging and the check never shows up in the mail? That's not cool. Not all bad online casinos that are blacklisted lie about sending you money. In fact, most don't. Instead, they'll tell you straight up that you don't qualify for a withdrawal because you violated certain bonus conditions or didn't meet the deposit requirements.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Sidas_Crew669 on September 03, 2016, 01:10:35 PM
Yeah, now I really hate 999dice.com. I think now they do a game system that is not provably fair, because whenever I do bets will surely get different defeat with primedice. When I use a trick that I use in 999dice.com to play in the WORLD WAR I get pretty good results. Hopefully the Admin 99dice can fix the system or replace the new system more provably fair
Their system is not probably fair. When you enter their site, you must click a button to "request" the next bet's hash. This means that if you do not click that button, the result is not probably fair.

That is why I added it to the SCAM list.
Sorry but I don't get your point here the button request I just visit their website now but I don't see any "request" button, Can you please explain more about that button you're talking ? if you can know the next bet hash isn't that weird ? If you take a look on Fair Bets tabs it's clearly said the formula.
My bad. The button's name is "Get Server Seed Hash ". It is in the fair bets tab.

If you don't click it, there is no way to prove that 999dice couldn't manipulate the results. You have to explicitly ask them for the bet to be probably fair.
Lack of Payment - You play to have fun, but you also play to win money. So when you do hit a payday, you want to get your hands on your cash quickly. Some casinos pay pretty instantly. Other casinos can take 30 days or so to pay. That's acceptable in some instances. But when a casino leaves you hanging and the check never shows up in the mail? That's not cool. Not all bad online casinos that are blacklisted lie about sending you money. In fact, most don't. Instead, they'll tell you straight up that you don't qualify for a withdrawal because you violated certain bonus conditions or didn't meet the deposit requirements.

It's all very true and we can't do anything bad to the accusations of the Casino who has done his job well. Because I am sure that most of the existing casino, brand worked very well. And usually the things that make our funding could not be in withdrawal because indeed we have violated applicable provisions


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on September 03, 2016, 08:36:23 PM
As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received.
The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos.
I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take.
It seems no such rule existed beforehand. Have a look here, he posted all the transcripts to their forum:

https://www.betcoin.ag/non-payment-jackpot-glam-life-my-support-ticket-transcript

(this was before they reached the settlement). So I consider it a SCAM. It's obviously Betcoin.ag's fault for not knowing how their provider's games work, so they promised a win that couldn't exist in that situation.
Thats right no rule at betcoin existed before this incident so they were at fault, but was it that they did not read the terms and conditions of the game from BetSoft and therefore fucked up 100% or did BetSoft not tell betcoin that the jackpot could not be won during the free spins?

If BetSoft did tell betcoin.ag about the clause then why did they involve themselves with this case, just because the game was played on their servers?
Maybe they just provide great support but it just seemed strange to me.
The payout structure of the game "the Glam Life" is directly stated in the paytable of the game and provided by Betsoft. Free spins were not excluded in the paytable of the game and were therefore eligible for the jackpot.

Who owes the jackpot is explained here: https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/

There is no juridical valid settlement, they owe the full jackpot. Therefore, betcoin.ag and Betsoft is clearly a scam!


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: fullypak on September 04, 2016, 02:50:55 AM
Thinking about adding CoinRoyale. There seems to be zero support which leads to situations like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1603185.0

Have you read that thread thoroughly? Finally, admin realised his mistake and doubled his deposit means player made 100% profit just for waiting few days without playing anything.

I agree the support is quite bad nowadays but that is not to say that site is a SCAM. Admin didn't run with money, but he has delayed deposit and compensated for his mistake.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Bestwishes745 on September 04, 2016, 11:37:16 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: poordeveloper on September 04, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on March 01, 2017, 01:58:44 AM
Online Gambling Scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)

Input from everyone wanted?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Oilacris on March 01, 2017, 03:25:45 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You are right listing 4 casinos is really not enough and its really limited,much better to contribute all of members here so that the list would be filled and would really benefits us all because if we do have a list we could make a preference in future regarding on what game wed like to play.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: shapeshiftscam on March 01, 2017, 04:03:25 AM
Online Gambling Scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)

Input from everyone wanted...

What is BetBTC.co scam? Any more info please, this site runs many years, so far I never seen any scam accusation against them.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on March 01, 2017, 04:49:36 AM
Online Gambling Scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)

Input from everyone wanted...

What is BetBTC.co scam? Any more info please, this site runs many years, so far I never seen any scam accusation against them.
They are excluded from Game Protect consumer protection service, because they hide the operator and commit the criminal offense of fraud since years!

BetBTC.co state on their website " Licensed in San Jose, Costa Rica", but they do not state who is licensed in Costa Rica and they also do not state the operator of the website in their alleged terms and conditions = misrepresentation!

I informed BetBTC to fix this misrepresentation, but they had no interest. You can read it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856175.msg17674810#msg17674810).


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: 1982dre on March 01, 2017, 07:17:53 AM
Why isn't this topic sticky?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: NLNico on March 01, 2017, 07:28:47 AM
Online Gambling Scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)

Input from everyone wanted...

What is BetBTC.co scam? Any more info please, this site runs many years, so far I never seen any scam accusation against them.
They are excluded from Game Protect consumer protection service, because they hide the operator and commit the criminal offense of fraud since years!

BetBTC.co state on their website " Licensed in San Jose, Costa Rica", but they do not state who is licensed in Costa Rica and they also do not state the operator of the website in their alleged terms and conditions = misrepresentation!

I informed BetBTC to fix this misrepresentation, but they had no interest. You can read it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856175.msg17674810#msg17674810).
Interesting. I personally don't care much about licenses or TOS. But I am 100% sure they faked their dice bets/stats too to make it look like they are 1 of the most popular dice sites. See reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg15852859#msg15852859). Note that I made a pretty decent analysis of their bet data that I never shared (as I rather use the same method for other sites too), so my "proof" is definitely more than in my topic.

Seems they have a habit of misrepresenting things. I personally wouldn't be able to conclude they are a scam though, even though I think faking stats/bets is bad.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on March 01, 2017, 04:58:49 PM
Interesting. I personally don't care much about licenses or TOS. But I am 100% sure they faked their dice bets/stats too to make it look like they are 1 of the most popular dice sites. See reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg15852859#msg15852859). Note that I made a pretty decent analysis of their bet data that I never shared (as I rather use the same method for other sites too), so my "proof" is definitely more than in my topic.

Seems they have a habit of misrepresenting things. I personally wouldn't be able to conclude they are a scam though, even though I think faking stats/bets is bad.
Thank you for your input, think will write an article.

Misrepresentation is a criminal offense! The problem is that they can build up their business over years (implying their identity would be known) and then make an exit scam.

However, they are now excluded from Game Protect consumer protection service, so I personally do not care what they are and what not and if people love to drive without an insurance, it is basically their problem and not mine. :)

2 Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/contents)

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: adaseb on March 02, 2017, 07:50:05 AM
Im going to add this guy

http://crazybtrade.com/

Here is his link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1666167.0

The site is down but you gotta becareful because he in the past ran another scam site. We caught him because he reused the same wallet with a different change address. But next time he might be even more careful.



Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: anon4250158 on March 02, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
I believe the info here about 999dice is out of date.  The reference is from 2 years ago, and if anyone bothered to check the site, the hash is now displayed before each bet WITHOUT needing to hit a button.  As far as I can tell, the problem has been addressed, and the site is fair.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: yrreg ger on April 10, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
Here I am going to keep an updated list of Bitcoin casinos. If you know of any site that is not here, please let me know and I'll add it.

Site  Status  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Announcement  Comments
Betcoin.ag  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424598.0)  Refused to pay a jackpot because it was won during free spins.
This was against their Terms. Player reached a settlement with them. Reference (http://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/)

Cloudbet  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS      Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.0)  *Some players report not receiving their payments until they
actively open a Scam Accusation against them. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0), Reference #3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1497105.0)

999dice  SCAM        DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.0)  Not provably fair (and they claim they are). Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0)

Betcoin.tm  SCAM  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.0)  Does not pay out winnings. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0)

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This list is not meant to be your only resource to help fight scams while using bitcoin casinos. Make sure you do your own research before depositing into any site. This includes googling the site and reading the last few pages of their BitcoinTalk.org announcement threads.



Thank you for this and great idea for this thread by the way. This will be a great help to all who might want to use their money and to try their luck in earning bitcoin through casinos. Earning bitcoin through casino sites is not guaranteed but sometimes it is worth the try. I just hope that this thread and this list will be updated since some members have already given their reviews and share some experiences regarding the bitcoin casinos. There are mentioned casino sites  that are not on the first list created which are also scams and not paying.




Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: doomistake on April 10, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.

I know right, this kind of gambling sites that are scamming players shouldn't be here in the crypto world in the first place, because just like what you have said, it is not that easy to win in gambling, because most of the time we lose, and we are always playing fair, so they should be fair also by not fooling people, convincing us to gamble in their site saying that they are legit but the truth is they are not.

In order to avoid being scam, of course we should also investigate their backgrounds, like if they do really pays their players something like that, for our time not to be wasted on playing.



Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: milewilda on April 11, 2017, 02:07:17 AM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.

I know right, this kind of gambling sites that are scamming players shouldn't be here in the crypto world in the first place, because just like what you have said, it is not that easy to win in gambling, because most of the time we lose, and we are always playing fair, so they should be fair also by not fooling people, convincing us to gamble in their site saying that they are legit but the truth is they are not.

In order to avoid being scam, of course we should also investigate their backgrounds, like if they do really pays their players something like that, for our time not to be wasted on playing.


Not only time have been wasted but also on our precious money we do have on playing gambling and whose people who do really love to be scammed? None. We cant really change the reality since there are really people do love to scam for thf sake of money.There are lots of scam gambling sites in the past i dont know if theres compilation on this one.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: pinggoki on April 11, 2017, 06:59:03 AM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.

I know right, this kind of gambling sites that are scamming players shouldn't be here in the crypto world in the first place, because just like what you have said, it is not that easy to win in gambling, because most of the time we lose, and we are always playing fair, so they should be fair also by not fooling people, convincing us to gamble in their site saying that they are legit but the truth is they are not.

In order to avoid being scam, of course we should also investigate their backgrounds, like if they do really pays their players something like that, for our time not to be wasted on playing.


We have the same thoughts, posting this this list with scam gambling sites would be a great help for others to avoid losing their money. It will be a great help to prevent us or to give some idea in choosing your gambling sites.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: AicecreaME on April 11, 2017, 10:32:04 AM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.

I know right, this kind of gambling sites that are scamming players shouldn't be here in the crypto world in the first place, because just like what you have said, it is not that easy to win in gambling, because most of the time we lose, and we are always playing fair, so they should be fair also by not fooling people, convincing us to gamble in their site saying that they are legit but the truth is they are not.

In order to avoid being scam, of course we should also investigate their backgrounds, like if they do really pays their players something like that, for our time not to be wasted on playing.


Not only time have been wasted but also on our precious money we do have on playing gambling and whose people who do really love to be scammed? None. We cant really change the reality since there are really people do love to scam for thf sake of money.There are lots of scam gambling sites in the past i dont know if theres compilation on this one.

There is a lot of people that are being scammed everyday because of being greedy about money, they just want to earn money in an easy way which is not possible since we are talking gambling here, it is possible if we are going to do it in the other way around, I mean, those ways that we could earn bitcoin in a safe way, like doing this Signature Campaign, and Trading, which we could really earn big if we are just going to be patience about it.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: doomistake on April 11, 2017, 10:55:26 AM
Nice idea to make list about not paying or scam casinos. I support idea, and I hope this can be useful to everyone who wish to gamble with bitcoins.
I followed a bit situation around betcoin.ag, seems that in the end betsoft made a deal with Jason. I'm not sure what happened there, casino said its betsoft mistake, some members here accused betcoin.ag. Last I remember is that Jason got some money from them, I'm not sure how much.
I recommend that every information be checked twice, with bad reputation we can harm some site without any need for that.

Correct, since everyone is asking a lot of things like this because some of the gambling sites out there are scamming most of us, though it is just rare to a gambling site that could be a scam in the end because their Developers are running of with all their money that is why they are always ending bankrupt and other people thought that they did it on purpose, but the truth is, they didn't.

Of course before we accuse a certain gambling site that they are a scam, then we must need proof, because it could be a mess, if we are just going to accuse a gambling site without a solid proof.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: BTCLovingDude on April 11, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
This is good ! We must name and shame these thieving bastards. Winning in gambling is difficult enough then they won't pay up ? Winning is very rare and they make massive amounts of btc before they suffer a loss. Even though it's still so rare we must still fight with the casino for what is rightfully ours. I mean like winning wasn't enough now this. They should be happy to just pay they make lots.

I know right, this kind of gambling sites that are scamming players shouldn't be here in the crypto world in the first place, because just like what you have said, it is not that easy to win in gambling, because most of the time we lose, and we are always playing fair, so they should be fair also by not fooling people, convincing us to gamble in their site saying that they are legit but the truth is they are not.

In order to avoid being scam, of course we should also investigate their backgrounds, like if they do really pays their players something like that, for our time not to be wasted on playing.

they will always have a very short lifetime. they never can stay around for a long term because there are always a lot of good observant members who go through everything in details and check to see what these sites are really doing in the background and will report it to the public.
and the bigger the sites are the more people will check them.
you can see the scam accusation board for the list of all of these sites. go to old pages and see how long did it take for them to disappear when the scam accusation is for real.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: ubercool on April 11, 2017, 11:43:25 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Distinctin on April 11, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.
I love to see that as well, more detailed review gives the gamblers a complete understanding on a specific site.
Good thing you made a list of scam casinos, this will help us not to lose our money without any chance of wining it.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: evilgreed on April 11, 2017, 01:26:40 PM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.
I love to see that as well, more detailed review gives the gamblers a complete understanding on a specific site.
Good thing you made a list of scam casinos, this will help us not to lose our money without any chance of wining it.

Yeah it would be great and it should be a great help, In other words add more sites that you think its a scam or not. I would like also to read some other peoples feed backs according to their experiences so that it will be fair.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Natalim on April 18, 2017, 01:47:29 AM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: abel1337 on April 18, 2017, 02:00:35 AM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.
I agree , there site is profitable because they can afford to have a siganture campaign that pays monthly. They have just an issue about there account here having a redtrust in their account here in the forum. They have made Two or three accounts here and I see them all red tagged. Thats just the only issue on their gambling site I think.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: AicecreaME on April 18, 2017, 07:57:53 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.
I love to see that as well, more detailed review gives the gamblers a complete understanding on a specific site.
Good thing you made a list of scam casinos, this will help us not to lose our money without any chance of wining it.

Then OP should lock this thread and make another one entitled "Not paying Casinos and Trusted Casinos", because it would be more accurate that way. And even though it is not a scam, still, we can't avoid to lose because it is normal in gambling. The only thing that we should do always is to not recklessly gamble in a certain gambling site if we don't know if they are legit or not.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: HKGolden on April 18, 2017, 08:04:07 AM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.
I agree , there site is profitable because they can afford to have a siganture campaign that pays monthly. They have just an issue about there account here having a redtrust in their account here in the forum. They have made Two or three accounts here and I see them all red tagged. Thats just the only issue on their gambling site I think.

The reason that they got Red Trust is because a member here (or not, can't remember) won a Jackpot from the free games,
however, Betcoin.ag refused to pay the prize as the Jackpot was hit during Free Games. (Most members here think they should pay for the Jackpot)

Anyway, that player are settled with Betcoin.ag at the end.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: soul-impact on April 18, 2017, 08:13:32 AM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.

Although they still pay for signature campaigns, they only pay a very low amount, it is very low compared to most other campaigns, the campaign that I am participating in is an example. The amount that betcoin.ag pays is only a quarter of the money I get from my campaign. Betcoin.ag still pays for everyone, but the worry is that they refuse to pay for a person who won the free contest. They are not really reputable.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: carlfebz2 on April 18, 2017, 08:33:00 AM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.
I love to see that as well, more detailed review gives the gamblers a complete understanding on a specific site.
Good thing you made a list of scam casinos, this will help us not to lose our money without any chance of wining it.

Then OP should lock this thread and make another one entitled "Not paying Casinos and Trusted Casinos", because it would be more accurate that way. And even though it is not a scam, still, we can't avoid to lose because it is normal in gambling. The only thing that we should do always is to not recklessly gamble in a certain gambling site if we don't know if they are legit or not.
That should be an accurate or relevant title since the discussion around on this thread arent directly connected to title. Listing scam casino site would be a long job since no one bothercto think of on compiling them.As a player we can always search through web when we are seeking gambling sites reputation.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: dustboy on April 18, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.

So whats the point of your saying? You have not heard any complains about their service, did you miss the news abouy unpaid big jackpot on their site some time ago? It was a trending topic on this bitcoin gambling industry, you should try to search for it and you may change your opinion.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: joksim299 on April 18, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Betcoin.ag is still very active and I think they are getting bigger now, they can accord to pay the signature campaigners  to
promote their sits so that means they are profitable, I have not played into their site but so far I haven't heard any complains also.

So whats the point of your saying? You have not heard any complains about their service, did you miss the news abouy unpaid big jackpot on their site some time ago? It was a trending topic on this bitcoin gambling industry, you should try to search for it and you may change your opinion.

Here is the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Jacob211 on April 18, 2017, 01:41:47 PM
I don't think 999dice is a scame one. I see a lot of people are still playing in this site.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: doomistake on April 18, 2017, 05:25:02 PM
Why, there is only four sites in the list? you should have to put about all so that we know that where to play and where to not. you should have to invite everyone to help you in collecting that list.
You mean adding trustable sites as well? I will consider it. Sounds like a great idea.

It would be better if you keep on listing the accusations and the result of what actions have been taken from the owner or admin of that site.
That way we can have a better look at a casino and the management of that.
I love to see that as well, more detailed review gives the gamblers a complete understanding on a specific site.
Good thing you made a list of scam casinos, this will help us not to lose our money without any chance of wining it.

Then OP should lock this thread and make another one entitled "Not paying Casinos and Trusted Casinos", because it would be more accurate that way. And even though it is not a scam, still, we can't avoid to lose because it is normal in gambling. The only thing that we should do always is to not recklessly gamble in a certain gambling site if we don't know if they are legit or not.
That should be an accurate or relevant title since the discussion around on this thread arent directly connected to title. Listing scam casino site would be a long job since no one bothercto think of on compiling them.As a player we can always search through web when we are seeking gambling sites reputation.

I agree, because we can't get something in return if we are going to list down all of the gambling sites that scammed us, I mean, we should just move on, because what is done is done, we can't take back what happened, all we have to do is accept the fact that we have been scammed and take it a lesson, for us to avoid scam sites again. And you could easily notice if a certain gambling site is a scam or not by its appearance to be honest.

Not paying casinos appearance is a little bit odd, because its like it was made by an amateur that just want to fool people and scam people, and they don't have that much players, also a lot of misspelled words, and lack of information about their site.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: panjul07 on April 18, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
I don't think 999dice is a scame one. I see a lot of people are still playing in this site.

They were lying about their huge bankroll but they could not prove it so they were tagged as scam site IIRC. Indeed there is no issues about withdrawal at 999dice, but scam is not only about that thing. Scam is about the behaviour, once they lied about something which they cant prove it then they deserves the scam title IMO.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: olushakes on April 18, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
After checking through the first page, OP I think you should take a look at Powerbets.io to be added there it seems some issues are being raised and the admin is no where to be found couple with a bounty that is being placed on who could found the owner of the site in the Service section of the forum. References below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.220
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1866761.msg18559082#msg18559082


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on April 18, 2017, 07:57:02 PM
After checking through the first page, OP I think you should take a look at Powerbets.io to be added there it seems some issues are being raised and the admin is no where to be found couple with a bounty that is being placed on who could found the owner of the site in the Service section of the forum. References below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.220
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1866761.msg18559082#msg18559082
The powerbet scam is already on the list: Online Gambling Scams (http://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/)

And the bounty offer is a fake, as you can read in the thread!


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: socks435 on April 18, 2017, 09:35:14 PM
Op is not adding other scam casino site just to see all scam casino who already posted here in this thread..

Also i would like to ask to you guys if this site is still active or not https://pocketdice.io/
Do you think this site is scam?


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Kizaki on April 18, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
Good topic and thread op,this will help lots of future gamblers that will gamble in bitcoins in the future,let this serve as warning to upcoming new gamblers.There are alot of new scam gambling casino now i think you must have updated this post


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: steampunkz on April 19, 2017, 03:12:28 AM
Op is not adding other scam casino site just to see all scam casino who already posted here in this thread..

Also i would like to ask to you guys if this site is still active or not https://pocketdice.io/
Do you think this site is scam?


I think "pocketdice.io" is legit and still paying. They have been established for many years. Correct me if I'm wrong I think the owner of pocketdice.io is from Bonusbitcoin.co  This site is really famous and legit, paying site for more than many years now. This is one of my favorite faucet sites today. Just go to there multiply your bitcoin page and you will see there betting page is in pocketdice.io. Hope I help you sir..


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: coinplus on April 19, 2017, 07:04:33 AM
Op is not adding other scam casino site just to see all scam casino who already posted here in this thread..

Also i would like to ask to you guys if this site is still active or not https://pocketdice.io/
Do you think this site is scam?
OP is not adding anymore but if you check game-protects website you can see many scam websites.

He is sometimes adding non-scam websites to scam list which hurts those websites but considering he does that if he says a website is legit it is well and beyond legit. For example primedice is as legit as ANY dice website can get.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: doomistake on April 19, 2017, 07:14:39 AM
Good topic and thread op,this will help lots of future gamblers that will gamble in bitcoins in the future,let this serve as warning to upcoming new gamblers.There are alot of new scam gambling casino now i think you must have updated this post

OP is working on that, all we have to do is to wait for the updates about this Scam Casinos out there, because it is the most popular way nowadays on how you could earn a lot of money in an easy way, by scamming people, convincing something that is not true in the first place. But the other noob people will bite on this bait since they are just new in this cryptocurrency world, and they are not aware by this scam thingy.

And this thread will be really helpful, if people are going to find out what are those scam casinos out there, for them to avoid scams.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Ewox on April 19, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
This is actually a very useful topic especially for newcomers and newbies. Mostly now, there are a lot of newbies who wants to invest their money through casino sites, I've read some newbies stating they mostly go for casino sites. So this is actually very informative for them to know which sites they wouldn't get paid or something. I would highly recommend my newbie friends to read this thread, I just hope this'll be updated from time to time.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Lecam on April 19, 2017, 03:34:42 PM
This thread are a big help to those gamblers they can read here about the scam site so that all people here are aware to those not legit site especially in gambling casinos. Those dev to that scam site maybe they are all unknown identity.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: abel1337 on April 19, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
This thread are a big help to those gamblers they can read here about the scam site so that all people here are aware to those not legit site especially in gambling casinos. Those dev to that scam site maybe they are all unknown identity.
Yes this is a great help on a gamblers or new gamblers that want to play gambling on a new site. Because most of the scam gambling sites are only made to scam people not by just let it play by other people. It is essential to to make this thread active or make this thread active.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: game-protect on April 19, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
This thread are a big help to those gamblers they can read here about the scam site so that all people here are aware to those not legit site especially in gambling casinos. Those dev to that scam site maybe they are all unknown identity.
No, they are not all unknown identities! But most victims have no interest to spend anything to enforce their claim.

They love to lose $ millions to scams, but do not want to enforce their damage for some Bitcoins more!

Even if it could be precautionary and cost free, there is not much interest: ONLINE GAMING CONSUMER PROTECTION cost free? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755226.0)  



Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Wowcoin on April 20, 2017, 07:57:35 AM
Here I am going to keep an updated list of Bitcoin casinos. If you know of any site that is not here, please let me know and I'll add it.

Site  Status  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Announcement  Comments
Betcoin.ag  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424598.0)  Refused to pay a jackpot because it was won during free spins.
This was against their Terms. Player reached a settlement with them. Reference (http://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/)

Cloudbet  PAYING  CASINO  SPORTS      Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.0)  *Some players report not receiving their payments until they
actively open a Scam Accusation against them. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0), Reference #3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1497105.0)

999dice  SCAM        DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386238.0)  Not provably fair (and they claim they are). Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0)

Betcoin.tm  SCAM  CASINO  SPORTS  POKER  DICE  Link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283187.0)  Does not pay out winnings. Reference #1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564608.0), Reference #2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1437638.0)

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This list is not meant to be your only resource to help fight scams while using bitcoin casinos. Make sure you do your own research before depositing into any site. This includes googling the site and reading the last few pages of their BitcoinTalk.org announcement threads.
Good job OP now we can share this to our friend that always playing in casinos to stay away to this site. A very good one that you have patience to search all this site and share it here.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: numanoid on April 20, 2017, 12:39:09 PM
Good job OP now we can share this to our friend that always playing in casinos to stay away to this site. A very good one that you have patience to search all this site and share it here.
What good job? OP never updated this thread and also he still didn't remove Betcoin.ag from his list, we know if betcoin.ag is a SCAM site. You are also quoted old post from OP (August 22). FYI those sites aren't all gambling sites, there are still a lot of gambling sites out there. I have no idea why you think this is an useful thread.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Lecam on April 20, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
Good job OP now we can share this to our friend that always playing in casinos to stay away to this site. A very good one that you have patience to search all this site and share it here.
What good job? OP never updated this thread and also he still didn't remove Betcoin.ag from his list, we know if betcoin.ag is a SCAM site. You are also quoted old post from OP (August 22). FYI those sites aren't all gambling sites, there are still a lot of gambling sites out there. I have no idea why you think this is an useful thread.
I think is useful because we can get the idea about scam site. I see that also that its a old post but i think he quoted it to see some people that have any posible that some gambling site are scam.


Title: Re: Scam casinos list / not paying casinos
Post by: Gotottack on April 20, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
Good job OP now we can share this to our friend that always playing in casinos to stay away to this site. A very good one that you have patience to search all this site and share it here.
What good job? OP never updated this thread and also he still didn't remove Betcoin.ag from his list, we know if betcoin.ag is a SCAM site. You are also quoted old post from OP (August 22). FYI those sites aren't all gambling sites, there are still a lot of gambling sites out there. I have no idea why you think this is an useful thread.
I think is useful because we can get the idea about scam site. I see that also that its a old post but i think he quoted it to see some people that have any posible that some gambling site are scam.

Well I think OP has not been updating this and people just tend to just comment whatever they want. For the opinion about Betcoin, pretty much their reputation has been tarnished since the time they had a problem with paying out winnings. Even if Betcoin has proved itself to be reputable, it can't erase its history.