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Guys,

I bought 2 (two) Avalons IN MY NAME, on 2nd batch, MY orders number:

#3345
#3917

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140716.msg1697487#msg1697487

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The order #3345, I paid with MY Bitcoins.

The order #3917, I paid with the Bitcoins from Rodrigo (loan) (VIDE: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149851.msg1697185).
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Now, that I have Rodrigo's Bitcoins (60.00 to pay the loan) since the middle of the day but, Rodrigo is going crazy all day... He doesn't want my Bitcoins, he wants MY Avalon!!

AND, he talked with Yifu to delivery my Avalon to him!!


Rodrigo is trying to SELL MY Avalon!!

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160020.0


The Avalon I bought under MY NAME. Are you guys from AVALON HEARING?? Yifu ?? BitSyncom ??

I'll repeat: I talked with Rodrigo a lot trough Skype today and yesterday, he doesn't want the Bitcoins...


Here we go:

Order #3345:

1- Confirmation I received from wallebit:

https://i.imgur.com/V3HChmZ.png

2- Confirmation I received from Avalon:

https://i.imgur.com/T9SS8jy.png

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Order #3917

1- Confirmation I received from walletbit:

https://i.imgur.com/grtdEcW.png

2- Confirmation I received from Avalon:

https://i.imgur.com/T9SS8jy.png

....

So, Yifu, ButSyncom, are you guys about to delivery MY Avalon to Rodrigo, REALLY? I'm waiting for your answer, ASAP.


Because you guys (Yifu, ButSyncom) doesn't respond any e-mail, any support ticket, nothing. I need to ask this here:

* Do I'll lose my Avalon (#3345) to this Rodrigo guy because he is playing with you guys?

** Do I'll lose my Avalon (#3917) to this Rodrigo guy because he doesn't want my 60.00 Bitcoins back and you, Yifu, will delivery MY Avalon to him?


Why I'm sking this??
A.: Simple, because I do not want Rodrigo touching my Avalons, so, I changed the `shipping address' TODAY back to me. But apparently, as Rodrigo said, Yifu will NOT delivery my Avalon to me, as I asked on its own support ticket.


The main problem is: I want at least, my Avalon (#3345) in my address, but again apparently, Avalon will ship MY (2?) Avalons to Rodrigo!! And I can let this happen.

I was stupid enough to change my first USA shipping address to Rodrigo, in good faith in our partnership to build a ASIC rig in China but, he just screwed everything up.

So, now, I want at least, the order #3345 be shipped to my address. - Please Avalon, let this clear for me Since Rodrigo doesn't want my payment and Avalon is about to delivery (#3917) to him.

Avalon, don't let this be true.

BITCOIN POLICE!! HELP!!

Without further ado,
Thiago

 :P

Trust no one!

Yes. But, about Avalon?

Mail sent to (again): yifu.guo@avalon-asic.com pointing to here.

What I want from Avalon?

A.: This:

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Thiago,

 Avalon will ship your order #3345 to your `shipping address' reported here: http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/505

 And about your order #3917, we'll give it to Rodrigo since we like him and you do not pay him in time.

Best,
Avalon
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That will be enough.

Best,
Thiago

Woow! This can't be true!!

Wait. Avalon II shipping? O_O

I think we should all watch this one unfold.

Avalon's delivered product to someone they had not contract with.... and then fails to deliver to someone they DID have a contract.

This will look great in court... for the Plaintiff.

I'd give the guy his package.

How do the batch 3 buyer feel about this?

Hmmmm.....

This was a supposition I made, okay?

It is what I, at least, "want to" hear from Avalon.

If fact, I want my two Avalons that I order in my name, be delivered in my address. Am I asking too much?!

The loan with Rodrigo (and his lost with BitcoinRain) does have NOTHING TO DO with my 2 Avalons orders and my shipping, am I right?

Tks!
Thiago

PRECISELY!!

Look:

Spreading around: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140716.msg1697487#msg1697487

ThiagoCMC: so when you ordered it, did you put your shipping address or Rodrigo's?

"No Address Change - Unless it is a special case no address change will be allowed, please allocate time correctly to handle the delivery of these units, There has been too many people attempting to sell these units and changing their shipping address. You can choose what to do with them after you receive them, but whilst they are still in our hands they will go to the address the order was originally intended for."

I can't see the Avalon team changing your address to his address suddenly, or has it been confirmed already?

I put my USA address when I bought it.

Later, Rodrigo and I was talking about a small data center in China, to run our Avalons and avoid the customs and all the international troubles (and BTC lost).

So, I asked Rodrigo to borrow me the Bitcoins to buy 1 more Avalon (#3917)...

Partnership concluded, couple weeks ago, I changed my `shipping address' from USA, to China, to Rodrigo's house...

Tickets:

* http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/505 (#3345)
* http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/506 (#3917)


But now, after all this Rodrigo drama, remember, he doesn't give me his Bitcoin Address, he refuses to receive my payment! Because now he wants more Bitcoins! To cover his lost (another 60.00 BTC) with Bitcoin Rain... My ass brother!!

I know that Avalon talked with Rodrigo (and vice-versa), because, after this drama, what I must do? Simple: change my `shipping address' back to me, of coooourse, right?

Than, right after I change my address, Rodrigo come with this: "but the machine is coming to MY address. Yifu is aware of this situation."

****** What situation??

It's me!!! Changing my own `shipping address' and, probably, the Avalon Team told Rodrigo about it!!

Otherwise, how Rodrigo can start talking, "out of nothing": "but the machine is coming to MY address. Yifu is aware of this situation."... I'm not a freaking retard...

(popcorn)

It seems like Avalon has a policy of not changing addresses once entered, but I hope the best for you that it's resolved properly.

I believe he talked...

And, not a single answer from Avalon (support doesn't exist)...

Plus, how could Rodrigo start talking about "the shipping address" if I didn't tell him about what I was doing with my freaking orders?
A.: Avalon told him.

What a crazy world...

Thanks!

Thiago, you forget something important you cant have it.


I  paid the avalon from My  btc address. I can prove it.


you failed to pay me back my btcs for more than one month. i gave you 35 for days of interest free loan and u kept trying to talk  bullshit to me
dont try to put the community against me



you are playing the scammer here

:)

Please ship one of them to me :)

SO, WHY YOU PAID FOR MY AVALON?

Because I told you: "Hey, Rodrigo, please, send 56.01201196 to 14pezcae7jUcHddWKnUAMDnwQ2UAyt2mfD"... And you did!! Get over it.

You give the Bitcoins to me because I told you do to that. The Avalon I bought does have NOTHING to do with this "crazy loan" I did with you.

Now, I'm trying to return your Bitcoins all day long, as we agreed at Skype couple hours before and you start ALL this shit because of, couple hours? Pleeeease...

You're trying to recover yourself from your lost from Bitcoin Rain with MY AVALON! No... no... no...

SCAMMER!

If you play nice, I buy your freaking Bitcoin Rain account with the Bitcoins I'll mine with MY TWO Avalons.

Yes, you'll have your Bitcoins too. Let me work on this.

I paid from my address because I knew something like this could happen :)
and looks like Im not alone here

So, get over it... OR, give me your freaking Bitcoin Address so I can pay you back.

No way in hell you'll receive my Avalon (#3917).

You have no power to break my contract with Avalon / WalletBit.

your time is over thiago, sorry

I dont want your bitcoins

I want my machine then Ill decide what to do.

looks like you prefer a machine than to keep your loans in time.

if its the case, I can only affirm that you are trying to get free loans everywhere and pay back when u  get your  avalons.

Don't talk shit.

long ago before asics existed  we met , I got his business card and with contact info and all... nothing outrageous..

Still does not mean that you paid for Thiago's order, which you insist you did out of your own wallet (whatever that means).

You sent coins to Thiago? And Thiago used coins to buy an Avalon?

I don't see a problem.. only FUD. @Thiago, if what Rudrigo says is true, then Avalon is massively corrupt. But I don't buy it.

Not sure if I understand this right. Thiago is ordering two avalons, one paid by himself and one funded by Rodrigo.

Now that the price exploded, Rodrigo wants the avalon instead of the loan he gave Thiago. Not sure what the exact terms of your agreement were but claiming the device now would not work with me. Seems a bit unfair.

I gave many loans to Thiago (50 BTC and up) and he never failed to pay me back. He was late sometimes but he's not a scammer.

Why so?  I paid Thiago`s avalon second wave order trusting him to pay me 3 days after, was friday or something, he claimed to be withdrawing some coins from some investment and that we would have the coins on monday,  never got the coins, then i gave him more 20 days, no coins.  

the problem is here: Before this mess, I offered Thiago avalon hosting so he could have machines as fast as possible with no worries with shipping or taxation. After we agreed we changed the address of both to my address.


Now that address change and the TX id from my wallet are the only thing that I can rely on.

I am not hiding anything. I never do.

Yes, Rodrigo paid for my Avalon. Since we made a deal (loan).

I need to pay 60.00 Bitcoins to Rodrigo, to cover the loan. He doesn't accept because he wants 120.00 Bitcoins now!!!  WTF!!  LOL

He DOES NOT OWN that Avalon (#3917), simple because I bought it under my name.

I have a contract with Avalon / Walletbit, no matter where that coins come from, the order is my.

But, at the same time, I have this shit in my boot.

We made a new deal and you have accepted it. That new deal expired few hours ago, I have you 60 Bticoins, you don't want it, because you want MY Avalon.

Thant you so much!!   ^_^

I paid the order from my wallet to protect against something like this.
Thiago opened a ticket himself to change the order addresses.(after we agree on that)
But he failed with me twice. Then other variables came into play, this is me repositioning so I dont get burned.

what are you trying to say?

Both of you..

http://www.legaljuice.com/Duel%20cats.jpg

Hmm, I think I'll contact them to ship them both to my address.
 ;D

suppose we consider this as loan, you were supposed to give back 3 days later, you did not, then i gave you >20 days, no coins. no word.

you requested the address change yourself! you agreed on contract change by that

http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/506
http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/505

dont put me in bad situation, dont threat anyone!  just keep your word man.

How can you say that if our new agreement ended up few hours ago, as we can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149851.0

Them, I come, hey Rodrigo, I have your Bitcoins, you said no. You broke the new deal... A few hours doesn't hurt anyone.

^_^

Maybe I'm too worried about this... Avalon will honor my `shipment address', that I put on `support.avalon-asic.com' for each order, for sure....

Otherwise, I'll bring WalletBit and Avalon into this, no doubt.

The MAIN problem is that Avalon does not answer any of my tickes, I just want confirm my `shipment address'.

Rodrigo will have his Bitcoins and everyone else that still have some coins with me (previous loans). I do not forget anyone.

I afraid that Rodrigo can claim that the hardware belongs to him, because of the Bitcoins of my WalletBit transaction, come out from his wallet. He can does that? I don't know...

Avalon will not honor with me? Yes, they will. Right?     :P

Cheers!
Thiago

LOLOLOL

That is MY own tickets, ticket 505 is about my order #3345, ticket 506 is about #3917. My latest messages there, is about: `new shipping address'.

My 2 Avalons will not be shipped to your home. Get over it.

And accept your damn 60.00 Bitcoins that you borrow to me!

http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg

The way I see it, the ball is on your side Rudrigo. He has the coins (on time) according to your second deal and what he says but you refuse to give him an address ?! Claiming 120 BTC is just ridiculous. Even if he's late. That makes you look bad in my eyes. Sick how greed turns people...

Turbor, he wants 120.00 Bitcoins now because he lost about 60.00 Bitcoins with the `Bitcoin Rain' fiasco...

I lost some Bitcoins there too, with Bitcoin Rain but, I'll trust that Leandro (BitcoinRain owner) will send me my remaining Bitcoins, one day...

But now, who will give to Rodrigo 120.00 Bitcoins to buy my Avalon?      LOL

He is trying to sell my hardware, without my authorization. Don't fall for that...

Watching this thread intensly.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gTDTbJgUHDE/UBwkzvGqtpI/AAAAAAAAAjg/E219BIt--QQ/s1600/Loulou-at-the-Late-Show.gif

LOLOLOLOL

The avs is not yours, dont talk BS, I paid one, you paid other, you yourself authorized to ship both here.



you dont know what is going on in brazil please dont judge. Wait for the facts, cause they are coming and will make this thread a lot more interesting.  Grab your popcorns.

"FEAR"...

Just change the address back to ThiagoMC and rudrigorc2 accept your loan repayment and all is solved!
Don't be a Prick.

rudrigorc2:

Unless you have proof that he agreed to use the unit or units as collateral for the loan, in other words do you have emails, PMs, IM logs, etc. that shows him saying that he agreed to collateralize the loan with one or more units then by your own admission this was an uncollateralized loan.  Did you agree to an interest rate?  Did you agree to payment terms and date?  What was the agreed to penalty for being late?  Did he agree that the units would be yours if he was late?  Please show us all the terms of your agreements with him by publishing the emails, PMs, IM logs etc.  If the units were never mentioned as collateral then they are not yours, take your BTC with whatever interest and penalties you two agreed to and stop all this fuss.

ThiagoCMC:

You should publish here the parts of the emails, PMs, IM logs, etc. where all agreements were made.  For example publish where you two agree to the terms of each and every loan and to the change of shipping address.  If you can prove that the change of shipping address was in no way related to collateralizing the loan (they were separate agreements) then he should not be able to take the units even if you were to default on the loan.  You said the terms of the loan were no interest so show where that agreement was made.  If there was no late payment penalty agreed to then you technically don’t owe him anything but the principal but it would be nice to pay him a little extra because you were late, if you were late.

This all boils down to exactly what agreements where made and then whoever is breaking the agreements and/or making up new things on the fly is the scammer.

If you don't realize it, this whole forum runs on greed.

After thinking about it a bit more the whole issue of collateral does not matter because ThiagoCMC has expressed the intention, willingness and ability to pay the debt.  Once the debt (principal, agreed to interest, and agreed to penalties if any) is paid all claims to the collateral are wiped out.

Assuming you do have a collateral agreement, once the debt is paid you have no claim or right to the collateral so if you keep it you are a thief.

You must accept his payment.  Upon receipt of the payment you must release all claims to the collateral.

Please publish a signed repayment address so he can pay you.

Sweet! +1

So be it. Im ready to accept that offer.

After you confirm here I will put my address to get the first 60 btc and  after the I get those coins I will put another address in this same topic.

The first avalon was paid from thiago. He has a contract with avalon. The second was bought from thiago and paid by rudrigor. If he pays for another person that person still has the contract with avalon. And he paid for thiago because he had a contract with him about a loan. Even when the loan isnt paid back after the timeframe he cant force avalon to give him the avalon because he has no contract with them. He only has the right to demand the money back. And only the money that was agreed with the loan contract. Eventually some more as a reminder fee.

So there is no connection between rudrigor to avalon. He cant demand anything from avalon and avalon would breach the contract if they deliver to rudrigor.

That would be the rule in real world. Of course only if i dont miss some info.

There are laws for this on specific time periods people have to pay a debt before their collateral is reposessed. But a fair warning to repay the loan before confiscation, in any case, would seem like a rational thing.

Though, let's face it, this situation is quite irrational. Both parties want the machine that makes money.

Thing is, nobody is going to really care about Avalon's role in this mess. Like I said, they want their printing presses. As long as they get theirs, screwing over others is fine.

Holy shit, rudrigorc2 should be slapped with a scammer tag right now. I'm surprised logic fails to overcome his greed.

Go read whats going on within the brazilian community. then come back and edit your post.

This was sent as MP I think theymos can recover it anytime:

So that was for the cheaper power there isnt it? But the machines are still his? If so he can send it where he wants. Or did you have a contract so that the machines are yours too or that you earn from their earnings too?

yes cheaper power. I was going to host and give remote access and charge for the service, obviously, but signs of abuse made me create this thread

my post still stands:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160527.msg1699815#msg1699815

rudrigorc2 = epic fail  >:(

Glad I got to know this guy through this thread before ever conducting any business with him. Man!  :o

just because you paid for his second order does not make it yours.

ThiagoCMC had better recieve the property that he paied for...

thats the problem dude, he only paid one, I paid other.

once again, he will get what he paid for, from me(after mine to cover shipment costs) or direct from manufacturer
and I shall get the other one.

or he can stand up and come here to make what hes talked here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160527.msg1699815#msg1699815

Btw, Thiago, one thing remains untold, you did not have the coins to pay me back day 27, where did you get your coins from to pay me now?

From what i've read (and im not taking sides just yet) You Funded Thiago's purchase of the second Avalon via a Loan.
Then when Thiago attempted to repay you, You refused repayment because he was (according to you) Drastically late.
Then you feel the right to ask for DOUBLE the bitcoins in repayment, That alone is fucked up since coin value has been increasing rapidly.
Since thats Not Gonna Happen, He then offers to buy your Bitcoin Rain account, But then you state:
"After you confirm here I will put my address to get the first 60 btc and  after the I get those coins I will put another address in this same topic."
Implying that he is going to pay you more than 60btc (wich is all fine and dandy if the rain account has some value/balace to it) wich is beyond the agreed upon Debt of 60btc!

You DID NOT PAY for an Avalon FOR YOURSELF, You FUNDED A LOAN FOR ThiagoCMC TO PURCHASE AN AVALON FOR HIMSELF.
You have No Rights to the Avalon unless there is an outstanding debt that is greater than 50% of the avalons value that YOU ARE UNABLE TO COLLECT
So far you are refusing to accept a bitcoin payment from ThiagoCMC who is constantly trying to settle this debt by sending you the amount owed!

His money is none of your business!
If he got your money shutup and take it!
Dont ask stupid things like "Oh did your paycheck come in today?, you didnt have money yesterday so where did that money come from?"
Keep you hands out of other peoples finances!

Even if he played Hitman for a day and killed someone for the money, ITS NOBODYS BUSINESS OTHER THAN HIS, AND HIS BUSINESS PARTNERS

I don't think that's a fair assumption. You can have a healthy desire to accrue wealth without being greedy. It's a fine line but it's there.

I think the forum has a lot of both, but the good outweighs the bad. If it was the other way around the forum couldn't sustain itself. It would overrun by shit and no one would bother visit.

apparently thats the game Thiago is trying to play with everyone he gets loans from, pay late, delay as much as he can, then pay somehow.
Curious enough this thread tells me Im not the one he owes at the moment.

thiago, day 28 you dont have the coins, now you have, how can u manage to get them so fast?

edit: still waiting you come here Ill post my address to get 60, after that I will post another to wait the other 60.

dude be thankfull if u get an asic
and rodrigo should be happy 2 dont be greedy

those at basic primeasic bfl are not so luuky

see the glass full what im saying

huehuehuehue I don't care what is happening in Brazil. Countries do not matter in this dispute. Take your BTC and stop trying to scam your way into a money printing machine.

I already own one and a half avalon. bought with my mined coins. Thanks.
That one I was going to slice in shares to folks in brazil that dont have the chance to mine.

thiago are you there?

I just caught up to these tickets. this is not Avalons problem nor we will aid in resolving it.

In this case, We are simply not going to honor the change of address, because this is a reselling/hosting/loan deal and this happens outside of Avalon control and must deal with the person who ORDERED these units.

as in, this unit will go to the original address Thaigo put on this order, which is neither rodigorc2's address, or the current "new" address he is changing to. Avalon does not "aid" the reselling of these orders, especially for reasons like this.

said ticket is referenced here: -redacted for privacy details-

BOTTOMLINE: if you want to resell. buy it first, have it delivered and ship it elsewhere yourselves.

If you came together so that you get paid for the service of hosting it then it should be done this way. Otherwise, if he gets the machines and you cant host it anymore so that you lose the service fee then its not fair from thyago because you lose money because he broke a promise. Unfortunately you dont have any right on the machines he paid at avalon. Because its his contract.
He broke your other contract regarding the hosting so you deserve something for it. He has to pay the loan back to you.

So thygo gets both machines.
You should get the loan back (but not the double loan), maybe a fee for paying late if its his fault. And you should get something in exchange for your lost service fee. Because that was a contract too it looks.

I hope i understood your situations now... :)

Excellent response, Yifu. I was also thinking "what does this have to do with Avalon? They should just ship to the original address."

Also I am pleased that thiago is getting his units.

I've only ready this far in the thread but unless you had it in writing that the avalon was colateral you really have no grounds here to hijack the dudes machine. I understand where your coming from but morally what your doing is wrong. You invested in a coins for coins return. Not a miner in return

+10

What does the brazilian community have to do with you being a gready dude?

+infinity.

Right thing to do. Kudos.

thanks now everyone knows my address :)


its good ending, indeed.

I like how Thiago managed to change the address back on day 28 without paying me the coins.
But I should not worry about that.

His plan is almost done, like he said, now that he has one machine he will mine them and pay me 60 plus my account on insolvent bitcoinrain.com of 60.

  

Oh man, you really like to extort people's money, don't you?

On day 28 Thiago asked me if I could buy him 2 more avalons :)

wait: that was day 26.

The question is who depends the address to that was before the first and second change?

I think thiago should pay something to rudrigorc because he broke the hosting contract with which rudrigorc would have earned money.

And all this started when I had this amazing evil idea offering him hosting with better electricity, management and no shipping delays.
No coins yet.

15tKRB4Le3LZ7Qje9PUFAMGyMKSH8Fmc7U

This was supposed to be friendship stuff and I got burned. I want my 60 and give up any extra coins.
Thanks everyone.

Thank you! I'm sorry about this! There is nothing more to say on this thread. It can be locked.

Original address is fine.

Please BitSyncom, can you remove the contents of the ticket 506 (i.e. remove this file: -redacted for privacy details- from public access)? There is too much private information there.

Again, thank you so much for taking your time to clarify this for me. What a buzz!!  lol

I would like to thank everyone else for supporting me!

People should talk even more, we can stop wars talking!    ;)

Best Regards,
Thiago

I removed the link containing the addresses etc.