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Hello !

I still Shocked after Hashocean Scam , I dont Trust the Mining anymore !
I whant know other ways to exploit and invest the Bictcoin without mining

or best thing for some one how dont have long time to work in his PC to earn BTC ?

do mining by your own. Buy some good graphic cards and mine ethereum or other altcoins.

What do you mean by "investing in Bitcoin without mining"? Do you want to make more BTC I guess... well its simple, you can buy monthly with extra money you may end up having at the end of the month.

If you want passive gains like investing in hashocean... I think its not going to happen. There's no way to make passive gains.

So either buy BTC, or buy alts and sell for BTC.

methods:
1) invest in stock:
buy products/novelties with fiat, sell it for bitcoin. keep profit as bitcoin and use the rest to rebuy stock (alpaca socks, bitcoin cupcakes business plan)
2) bitcoin broker:
buy bitcoin sell it at a couple percent increase to local people in your area (localbitcoin, BitcoinATM business model)
3) conferences:
hire a meeting room or large floorplan area, invite people to come, charge a ticket fee (devcon, expos, conference business model)
4) hardware:
invent a new ASIC, hardware wallet or other bitcoin tool (antminer, keepkey business model)

but im guessing you are probably more hands-off and just want to throw money at something and let it earn you returns without breaking a sweat, and so

1) VC investing in legit(corporate registered that have real office locations you can visit) bitcoin businesses
2) do any of the 4 hands on idea's but give a percentage of profits/salary to a person who would do the hands-on stuff for you

but im guessing you are probably going to say your not a whale investor and dont have that kind of amount to do any of the above

1) your better off continuing your own normal job and just buying up bitcoin each payday,

2) reduce your outgoings and use the money you save to buy bitcoin
EG if you spend $15 an evening on pizza, a beer and a couple cigarettes, while stresing out at the scams.. just eat a grilled cheeze sandwich with meat and sauce slapped ontop and get a cheaper brand of beer, allowing you to put $10 into bitcoin

All the bitcoin related investment programs are only ponzi or are like to scam only so chance of lossing all you invested there is high. Better buy own physical mining device if you have enough money to buy latest antminer and also if you can get cheap electricity you can earn good daily income over your investment mining bitcoin/altcoins.

even with "free" electric you wont break even.
the reason is the retail price bitmain sells at is 4x higher then their cost of production. EG $1600 retail is ~ $400 cost.
electricity at 5cents/kwh its about $285 over 6 months
electricity at 10cents/kwh its about $570 over 6 months
electricity at 20cents/kwh its about $1140 over 6 months

so even at 0 electric.. its still costing you $1600 retail for the unit,
where as bitmain/antpool costs is $685(unit and 5cent/kwh 6 month payment)

which no one can beat because bitmain wont sell a rig for $400 to outsiders.

infact bitmain costs are only $285 for 6 months use..
this is because every retail unit they sell. bitmain deliver 1 unit to the customer and 3 units to theirselves(antpool) for free

invested by mining is a great idea, but we need a lot of capital is enough to do a job like this. Other alternatives in my opinion is to invest in trading. we can benefit from the buying and selling bitcoin / altcoin. and you do not need to purchase a mining hardware !

Your sentences are referred into cloud mining and you don't ever try for mining for gather bitcoin directly, well franky is already giving your answer and that is just on your intention for choosing the method is suitable for you.

There is no magic answer to this, because different people have different skill sets and we all need to play to our strengths to maximize our profits.

We have learned from experience that Cloud mining are not the way to go, and actual mining are not profitable with the high difficulty and the energy

cost associated with that. I think your best bet would be to buy Bitcoin at a low cost and to sell it for a profit when it's high. It works for me..  ;D

Try to invest on liqui (https://liqui.io/), it is a new exchanger that's currently officially launched (they are in beta before), they have this interest feature where you let your coin sit for 24 hours (can be claimed back at anytime though you won't get the profit unless you let it sit for the whole 24 hours) and gain some amount as a bonus.

I'm not.  It was obviously a scam from the very beginning.


Real mining doesn't require any trust at all.

Giving your money to someone else that promises to do the mining for you requires a LOT of trust.  Why would you trust a complete stranger that you know nothing about?


Get a job?

You can either get a job that will pay you with bitcoins, or you can get a job that will pay you with your local currency and then exchange that local currency for bitcoins.

Start a business?

You can either start a business that will accept bitcoins as payment, or you can start a business that will accept your local currency and then exchange that local currency for bitcoins.

No one 'invested' in mining with such companies. They invested in a scheme that was taking money from other people to keep you fooled until there were no fools left. Had any of these people bothered to ask around before doing so then they could've been informed and saved themselves their loss. It's not a tricky one to work out.

Do some research on altcoins running in the markets and start trading altcoins with the bitcoins you have, choose the right ones which are mostly being traded by others and you will make some profits with the time.

Hashocean owner tells that they are going back online and i don't know when hoping that they're going to fulfill their promise so that many investors are going to trust them again, If not well it's lesson learned for us who investing in scheme website because some of us are greedy in wealth  :D :D

Cloud mining honestly are scam almost all they are just the same as investment site so beware for those investment schemes..
The only thing that i can suggest to you better to study trading and try to test your self and learn in any trading site like in my signature.. small amount can help you learn to trade and how trading works. after that check coinmarket cap and choose top 20 there those altcoin are profitable but it takes a long time before you can make a goof profit..
Unlike new release coin that you didnt know if it will stay long in the market.. you will be lose if those altcoin in buy wall almost many.

Honestly, Cloud Mining makes me tired off with their ROI in 2 to 3 months. If you are looking for a risk investment, invest some BTC in Bitcoin Gambling Bankroll.
Besides that, if you are still not satisfied, store your BTC in a cold wallet on a small hard disk and wait & forget a few years.

I can`t figure out a  way to invest bitocins that is safe enough to be recommended.

There is always risk involved.

Maybe peer-to-peer lending platforms. :(

firstly, they are not going to come back again but in a possible scenario, even if they come back they will not get any investor to invest in them again. now you tell me, are you going to trust a past scammer if he promises to be a good guy in the future ? obviously no. lol.@op is asking for another way of investing btc and i am sure that he already knows what investment actually means. every investment has certain risks. if there were any safer way to multiply your bits then the word "investment" would not exist. lol. btw, @op, the best way to invest and earn more bits is to hold your bits for long time, maybe 2 years or more, and see the blowing results. if you are too impatient then you can also do short term trading regularly and earn small profits.

I can confirm that for newbie it is very difficult to find ways how to invest Bitcoins. Nowadays also mining can be overhelmed with scam sites. May be you can try investing in Forex or for example, in just-dice site - this gambling site works with clam altcoin and have dedicated players group. But keep in mind, that in Forex you need a lot of experience.  ;D

Another way to invest is not to do anything. Just buy bitcoins with your own money and save.
Now while you are saving and continuing to add more bitcoin to your wallet, study trading and altcoins.

you must to learn from your experience that even big could mining sites has been scam and runaway with huge money and do not trust any longer for another cloud mining sites because they had only try scam attempt to you and my advice to you is just save all of your bitcoin into your PC and stay away from all kind of investment sites

Have you thought about mining an altcoin and then converting it to bitcoin?  ether is a good option but i am sure there are other.

Most of the investment stuffs are scam, it's like 80% of them are trying to scam you so it's very risky. If you have the money just do mining on your own and buy the right equipment, The only problem is your electric bill cause mining takes a lot of time so GOOD LUCK OP!

If someone can afford to buy bitcoins then nothing can be better than that because once he guys bitcoins then he can easily use them in altcoin markets to grow them with the time, if he does not know anything about trading he should learn it from google or from this forum.

I was planning to invest in cloud mining but as a part of my usual research about anything that is new to me, I asked about it on this community and got advice ‘not to invest’ in any cloud mining service so I decided to invest elsewhere.

You can invest in lending (on sites like bitbond, btcjam or even on bitcointalk), you can try long term investments in alternate crypto currencies. You can also invest in gold, stocks and forex using your bitcoins through portals like 1Broker. Please do your own research before investing.

don't invest in mining as its not really profitable i think as too much china rigs are mining it.

Perhaps invest in btc casino? loan them and long term your portfolio will grow :)

Nope, both of these options are not good investments. These gambling investments are just as dodgy as some of these cloud mining sites. You will

never know if these people are taking you for a ride, and just need to have blind faith that the operator are not manipulating the system. I would

just buy the bitcoins and hold on to them for a while.  ;)

you can buy bitcoin mining hardware and mining bitcoin in your house, the other way only with trading but there is the risk of loss.

you can try to lending your bitcoin on market exchange or if you have altcoins like eth, dash, xmr, ltc, and else, you can lend it to because for me its really work and help me although the result is far away from my expectation but its work for me. i am lend on poloniex and the rate is base on the market price. i think you can trying too.

I don't know what skills do you have but the best way to earn bitcoins is to work and sell your services.
If you are interested only in "investing" there are not many safe options to choose especially for a newbie,maybe you should look at altcoin trading but you have to put a lot of effort in this and do a lot of research before you start.Another option that some members of this forum recommend is to invest on an online casino bankroll but I don't have any experience with this maybe you should ask at gambling forum for more info if you are interested.
Good luck.

Well it depends in what you are mining or what your kilowattage in your place if it is  low in 0.10 cents it is more profitable if you are choosen ant miner s9.  Also you can mine altcoin using GPU mining there is other altcoin that are also profitable to mine.

I think only trading is the best place to invest but if you have some skills in marketing there is many affiliate online but it needs marketing knowledge so i think if you really want to earn high online better to try those affiliate like affiliate in amazon and use your bitcoin and convert it in usd to use in advertising like adwords..  and earn for every leads also earn commision if someone are buying a product.

you could invest in real mining(buying rigs/asics and installing at your house)
you could learn about trading and make profit by simple buying and selling.
you could gamble and MAYBE have some profit(but that definitelly isnt a investment).
you could work to buy more bitcoin.

there's no other ways to "make" more bitcoins.

You must be forgetting that bitcoin is the one of the best investment option.

Cloud mining or any other similar investments are ways to multiply your bitcoin investments. When you are going for multiplying your bitcoin investment, you may face high risks.

If you want to be secured with your investment, then simply buy bitcoins and hold it for long term. The best ever investment opportunity of the century.

I'm mining with my laptop via MinerGate. Mined 1 Monero, they are worth 12 dollars around now. Only do it when I'm using it. Moneros can be sold for Bitcoin at shapeshift.io

you are right, just put your money into bitcoins and then do nothing with it in order to not spend it and make profit in a longer run

You can join any signature campaign available for your rank and start earnings bitcoin.Once you earn some btv,you can try to invest them in some decent Altcoin

Cloud mining was and is always a kind of scamming at the end, I haven't seen any good cloud mining that has been operated for long, you can see cointellect or anyother cloudmining which had a very large popularity but the end was scamming the users. Reading franky1's post #4 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608776.msg16155226#msg16155226) is funny and very true at the same time. What you can do is joining the altcoin trading world and for the beginning you should experiment with your money, you will learn from mistakes and ask people how to trade. Otherwise if you have the opportunity trading bitcoin to fiat that would be good too.

Probably the simplest thing you can do is take what Bitcoin you have and go and invest in a casino bankroll or something similar, as those can net you money but it might be less of a return. Typically casino bankrolls are less risky than mining contracts, but it depends on where you invest.

First of all, I think you need to move on. For me, it's been a long time since HashOcean scammed people.  Second, I think it's not a good idea to depend your earnings on investments or like easy money ways. Just work for it, use your skills and do some services or sell some stuffs for bitcoin.

The other best way to invest in bitcoin and to get a higher profit is to start trade with your bitcoin with fiat or altcoins, with that you will have the chance to become rich soon if you were a good traders and if you invested in some good altcoins.

if you want to work in your PC without long time, you are better to join signature campaign. but if you want tobearn more, you need to rank up your account to sr member or hero member. you just need to post max 7 posts/day or depends on the signature rules, then you can do another activities. besides, you don't need to worry about losing your bitcoin.

You should try omicron, omicron was good investment for you. They will give you at least 0.00001% share of dividend pool,per omicron ,every two weeks. Thats for all assets owner. Min deposit is 10000 imocron.

In bitcoin you are already invested just having some of it. Dont make it more complicated by joining those scumbags. Work it out. There are trading discussions herr and more on how you can grow it the other way, I mean with your own way.

do trading bestr way to invest

The best way to invest your bitcoin is put it into casino investment, nowaday there are a lot of casino accepting investment from third party, but dont expect the result is going to be fast because eventhough the casino is full of user doesn't mean they make profit everyday and remember there is always a risk when you invest

The best way to invest your bitcoin is through trading! I cannot say that there is no risk from trading but if you will have enough knowledge about it, you can minimize the risk and I assure you that you can really earn from it.

I do not see much ways of investing bitcoins without mining.
I think that bitcoin was created to be mined, and to be transferred as payment.
If you use it for something it was not ment to be, maybe its the wrong way of using it and the chances are high it will be to your disadvantage.
All those "investment opportunities" out there are a kind of payment, but you simply get nothing in return.
I would consider bitcoin itself be the investment, but that's it.

i agree. Trading is the best choice ever :D if you want to invest then try trading if you do have a luck then go to the gambling :D or try betting games but i do prefer trading at all :D before entering trading is you should know about more in coins crypto altcoins so that you could earn profits :D

Well, if you don't want to spend a lot of time on your PC, then I think the best thing you can do is selling things. Because "selling things" doesn't need a lot of time on a PC, you don't have to always online. Except if you have a lot of customers and a lot of transactions to do.

I think the most decent way would be doing cryptocurrency trading with altcoins and investing in gambling sites overall bankroll, there are some projects running stock sales in bitcoin stock exchanges.. Gambling is of course not an investment in anyway IMO..

Gambling the amount by thinking that you will earn profits from it is a foolish thing, though investing in a bankroll might earn you some profits but i never heard if how much profits do they give you if you invest in their bankroll.

You have taken right decision to stay away from cloud mining sites because they all are scam and gonna scam surely one day.
The other ways where i invest my bitcoins is,investing in the casino sites.I invested in moneypot.com and in profit right now so you can try that.Or you can try altcoins trading if that interests you.

Trading is better and blablabla.... are you never think for giving the another suggestion is better than just recurring the people for suggesting the mainstream suggestion like trading? because a lot of people is already suggested about that LOL

Just blatant spammer and directly advertising, LOL.

I would prefer to earn bitcoin instead of investing your money.. may be there is some good ways to investment. like altcoin trading. etc. but if you can earn bitcoin with your skills and in free times then you should go with free ways instead of risking your money.

What kind of things do you suggest? Well, you need to first think of what might be popular to the customers and what kind of customers are you trying to aim selling for.

another way to invest bitcoin:
if you have enough experience exchange trading forex
You can invest money and earn bitcoin on the exchange and a nice interest rate.
Do you have any experience ask advice from an experienced trader who will explain to you what is possible.
I do this every day it is my job.
Make an appointment face to face or call the person for more information.
good contact is very important !

Trading is the best way to invest in bitcoin and as well as if you are going to be businessman in bitcoin. Like selling some digital goods or products then that is going to be a good way to start your own investment with bitcoin. And as well as you can try to build up your own gambling site so that you are going be the house edge of it.

i dont have any clue how you should work out your bitcoins, in my opinion it is the best to put your fiat into bitcoins and thats it

Nowadays to earn with bitcoin there is only one way and that is to hold your bitcoins in your wallet as we are seeing that the price of bitcoin is increasing faster so with that we will get a good profit, and after that I will suggest you to invest in trade with altcoins .

I think you can try using some bitcoin advertising platform if you have a website or a blog.
It works generally like AdSense but it was created for the Bitcoin niche mostly  :)

Yes every body who made investment on HashOcean had shocked include me, but i have made investment on there with a little amount of bitcoin so it is not becoming problem although it has be scamed. I think you can start making investment on trading, trading altcoins or trading bitcoin to fiat money.

there shouldn't have been any shock from anybody who invested, you all have been warned a lot by other members and the topic about cloudminings in the services discussion board but nobody listens and they always regret it when they run away.

many ways to get free bitcoin. such as investing, in addition to mining, we can also make trades. with our trading can benefit from selling and buying bitcoin.

I would do trade with altcoin first instead of saving them for long time. this time is trading time not saving time. bitcoin price is not increasing that much it is quite stable.
but trading market have huge potential to get profit. specially altcoin trading.

you are right, in my opinion it is the best to be just hold your bitcoins in order to make money over time and you shouldnt use it

I think you can start learning about trading, although it will need much time until you get profit constanly from trading. On trading you can choose to becoming daily traders or weekly traders with using time prime 15M,1D and 1W in analysis tecnical for making prediction price. And you don't need always online.

Holding coins for future is the safe way to earn profits but there is no guarantee of it as price may even fall in future so it can really waste your time, best option is to use them in trading and try to multiply your coins.

you will never find out any investment that's risk-free ,it's nearly impossible,and if you're investing on the right site the risk and the profit you will earn will be fair enough so I think it's not going to be a problem, a risk-free investment is just a delusional thing

That is so full of work. Business and more to think about. Yes, gambling website is a good way to earn but can you take the responsibility? The work, the advertisements need to be paid and a lot more. Capital will still took over in it. Needs a lot of money to complete it.

Why someone should trade them after holding but not before holding? It would rather be better if someone do trading before to gain some extra bitcoins from what they have and then keep holding the profits so that they can earn more later on if the price grows higher.

That's exactly what people prefer to do to take the number of bitcoins to a higher level, as only holding will never increase the number count of your coins in future.

Indeed everyone wants bitcoin became better and give an advantage to us. But it is not good when we don't have enough good roles in the growth of the bitcoin. Investment is very profitable, but it is now dominated by investment scammers who use the system, so ponzi and hyip things best done is save

It's a great plan, but it depends on him or what steps he will do for this business ,i think if he do focus on one goal at the time he can achieve what is his plan/goal to have .the work is not the problem the willingness makes it .
That's the question there if he can support that bitcoin buy and sell things ,products . Business always needs a capital to support and make the business flow.

purchase alt coins using ur btc and trade them.. there are lots of trading platforms.. ;)

Now there is no point in investing in any ponzi sites as everyone is aware that they will not get anything in return from there and that is the reason majority of users are diverting themselves towards trading and that is the right thing to do.

there are many investment here but for sure all of them.is scam like hashocean, so if I were you just start mining so that they didnt scam you,  or try to invest in bitcoin gambling companies but make sure you should know them so that if they scammed you, you can report them to police.

Its not a good idea to go in forex honestly you need a large of capital there to start and you can makea large of profit but you can lose also large amount so its so risky better to go instead in trading for small companies.. or better to build your own GPU miner for altcoin its more safe than risking a large amount in forex.

My honest and genuine suggestion for investment is go for altcoin, ICO and IPO.

Every week there are new altcoin entering into crytpo market with innovative concepts which is taking world toward digitization.

So investment in such a good altcoin can give good ROI.

HashOcean Scammed me too, I invested all my last bitcoin in there mining website and they promising that they are going back to normal but nothing happens im still praying that one they realize how much people need their money another way to make profit is to trade its easy to understand buy and sell only.  :)

Yes investing in altcoin seems to be promising at a moment as there are many potential coins available which can give us good returns if we invest at the right time.

I think many members here are experience of scammed also me are scam by that site but just small amount because sometimes they are paying but in the end they will scam.. but its ok because i already made a profit there even a small amount.

My best suggestion for you is to go and get some initial capital from something like signature campaigns or freelancing jobs on here, and then you can go and invest in something like a casino bankroll to get some additional money off of whatever you're doing.

Since you don't trust mining or anything and you say you're on your PC a lot, freelancing is probably the best path for you to go down for a while.

Yeah investing in casino sites is a good investment to make but you need to make sure that its an trusted site and operating since long time and paying its investors regularly.

In my idea,  invest some bitcoins and start trading.But remember to do a thorough market survey because trading involves huge risks

You could join the signature campaign and earn bitcoins through posting.  When you have your earnings, you could put it on investment sites, legit one.  Try to join a group that do some investments.  You could also trade your bitcoins for money to people who want some bitcoins.  You could sell some of your bitcoins when you need it.  Just keep on earning and do not gamble.

I always do tell everyone that the best investment for me was saving. I guess in my own perspective that this is really the safest fun the longer process tho but for me this does not matter anymore because in the end it would always be worth waiting.

I want to agree with you. because it is my own experience.  I got double profit from new coins which was being ICO that time..
specially Xaurum. I didn't bought any of them but I was in their signature camapign. I got 1400 xaur which was equal to 0.1btc that time but right now these are equal to 0.25btc. you can imagine how much profitable working with an altcoin now.

If i may say that trading is also include one of the ways . I am really prefer trading as well. Trading is my favourite because sometimes i get a big profit but when i fail to predict the price will up or down i lost some of my balance. But the pleasure of trading lies on that thing.

Trading have huge risk but still its best options for many because its give some good profit doing trading with alt coins is also good options but need some good research and time if some one can work in these both options he can make some good profit

Holding bitcoin will be definitely a profitable but that will not give you any active income whenever you need them. If you are wealthy enough and you are afford to hold a large amount of bitcoins, then holding bitcoin for profit making is possible. Maybe we must look for some other opportunity to have active income.

Right. Holding bitcoin will not guarantee a regular income from it. But it will definitely multiply our networth value in future. If you look for benefits for your daily needs, then holding is not a way to invest.

With a lot of their creative ideas and that is not closing the possibilities about the scam ico, because the creative ideas just for make their ico is looked different with another but in my minds the basic of all ico is same.

I think buying bitcoin and altcoin is the good one to invest in not investing of mining sites, though sometimes I get tempting to do it but in the its not happening because I often remembered most of the time who invested there got lost their investment.

At this stage no one will prefer to invest in mining sites as everyone is aware what would be the end result in long term, and that is the reason people are switching their investments in alt coins.

it has been this way for as long as i can remember, cloudmining was never profitable and could never last long enough for people to make profit from it.
this is why you can't find a cloudmining that is an old service like from 2013. there are so many other businesses like you signature (bitmixer) that have been around for so long and it shows that they are profitable that they could survive.

For some reasons sad to say that in trading we really need to have a bigger capital, the higher your capital the higher profit you can get of course plus when you are lucky then you might be able to double your capital.

Though some ICOs are worth investing as they might double your investments after the ICO finishes but as i heard from other users that is not the case all the time but sometimes the coins die immediately after the ICO finishes so in that case someone might lose his investment.

Are there better offers? In general, I have always believed that it is better to extract and then invest, you buy cryptocurrency. I do not know what benefit is valid.

there are so many other ways where you can invest your bitcoins, like you can invest your bitcoin in alt coins. you can also invest your bitcoin in gambling where you can make money in a very very short time but too risky way of making money and there are so many other ways where you can invest your money.

there is never a better offer in the cloudmining field because they can never profit themselves if they have actual real mining equipment. and the problems which is common among cloudmining sites is that they don't have any mining equipment which makes them a ponzi scheme aka scam.

Yes and nowadays its hard to trust any cloud mining site and there is no guarantee that they will pay in long run, once their target is achieved they will simply disappear from the market.

cloudmining industry has never been profitable. for as long as i can remember there were only one or two cloudmining sites in the past 3 years that were really mining something with real hashpower and even they have gone down in flames.
you can see this topic started from 2014 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.0 and check the history to see how many cloudmining sites have come and claimed to be legit but they were in fact ponzi scheme.

Every site will claim that they are genuine and will pay on regular basis and that is their technique to trap the newbies and people who are new to bitcoin will get attracted towards it very easily.

In my point of view, investing mining is also risk.
Maybe you can gain profit or afterall its scam.
Best, if you can do trade in altcoins which the rule
is buy low and sell at a higher price.
Like me, i do trading altcoins.!

it has nothing to do with being new to bitcoin, it is about being stupid or better said naïve. and it looks like many of bitcoin users are newbies maybe young people who think if the website is nice then it must be legit.

but instead if people start using their brains and logic, even if they know nothing about bitcoin and it is their first day using bitcoin they can see there is something shady about all those cloudmining sites when they fail to provide evidence.

and also we all have access to search engines like google and by a quick search you can find topics on forums like here talking about these sites being scam.

Trading altcoins is the best choice at a moment as it allows you to make huge profits in a quick time and now investing in mining site is really not worth as it will not pay you anything in long run.

Kinda sorta off topic..unless you paid for this with your mining profits or trading profits with BTC

But...if you use a bit of electric...(say a family of 5 or 6) and you are looking at say 15 years of this (kids) and maybe even better you have land
in at least a hobby farm kinda way.

The way to look at mining imho then is Solar

In other words if (with rebates) someone told you you could go Solar for say a 30k Investment and it would pay for itself in 10 years say.....and
you are looking at the above scenario with kids/electric etc for 15 plus years at the place you were at

well..that would be like saying ..buy BTC equip....and ROI in 10 years and from then on your in profit (over elec use) assuming you are in a state

like Minnesota where they buy back 14c kwh at 12c kwh (I think)

win/win

only other home mining that may work that is 'kinda' w/o mining is attic mining

you take crap out of attic (in my case likely 5k of stuff) and you sell it on eBay and convert such junk to BTC

just saying...both are no really mining and are a way to invest in bitcoin or in solar's case a BTC type of endeavor (toy) to play with

no way would solar make enough to run a mnier..but you could look like it like mining /dorking with equip / and return to roi for those 10 years

stuff to do

Whoa! He gave up his secrets. ;D those are cool stuffs to invest in. But how much would it cost. Can a simple worker who earns a basic salary can make a capital for this stuffs? Just asking.

We can invest in another coin which is altcoin that can convert into bitcoin, or joining in the altcoin signature campaign. Because give a bounty reward into it after the campaign. which we can trade it then once has sold out we can convert have or gain bitcoin as well.

Yeah there really is no other way to earn more and more Bitcoin by doing nothing. You should just buy Bitcoin, and if you want, you can get an account on this forum and post for a signature campaign.

You can invest in potential altcoins or good casino sites where you can expect guaranteed profits if you invest in right and genuine site as many users are earning descent profits from those sites.

Cloud mining is anyways a gamble. First cldmine and now hashocean..All of them will go down eventually. Also there will be new programs keep coming in the market. So avoid those scammers.

The best way to invest bitcoin is trading. That is the most rewarding as well as safe if you know how to place a bet. Trading can give you a very high return in a very short period of time. So try it!

If you need daily benefits, you must work for it. Investing will not give you guaranteed profits all the time and might get losses to time to time. If anybody promising you for a regular income out of your investment, it might mean they are running a ponzi. Or it is highly is equal to bitcoin mining.

the best investment is trading altcoins these days.

you are your own boss and there is nobody else when it comes to taking back your money.

also the altcoins have been rising good and the profit is a lot to be made there.

Yes, it is easy to increase your BTC if you understand trading but most people that I see don't have the discipline and the technical understanding required to be a successful trader.

You will surely loose money at initial stage when you are new to it but experience and knowledge will make you better trader in future and investing in trading is the best move to make.

Well the best way for me so far has been trading in alt coins.. All these new alt coins are coming and going if you choose the right time and am out to invest you can get nice profit out of it. But one thing I have learned is not not keep alt coins for long as soon as the price rises sell them back for btc.

yes alt coin trading is the best ways but also you can try to do staking, as many alt now design to generate passive income by storing the coin inside your wallet and wait for it to generate income, earning while waiting for the price to rise up good ways to earn btc.

It will be a worst decision to hold altcoins for a long term as you never know when it will disappear, so whenever its allowing you to make profits, simply sell them off and move on.

that's like just waste a lot of your time if at the same time you can doing anything for growing your bitcoin and can get a more, for choosing the potential a new coin it's will need a log time. too many a new coins are just giving a bullshit promising for a lot of investors.

Altcoins are slowly emerging and getting popularity from the deep.
It is a good investment only if you have enough knowledge about trading and the coin's economy.
You must always choose wisely which coin to invest to.

Trading is one of the way to invest and earn bitcoin  but we could say that it is very risky but it is not risky if you learn more about altcoins because trading is not all about bitcoin it is all about altcoin that has a potential price that could make you earn more . Try trading.

Do you mean to say there are no other opportunity we can get similar to bitcoin mining ?
In my opinion, cloud mining with a reputed company must be a great opportunity to grow our bitcoins with peace of mind. But unfortunately, there are a lot of fake cloud mining companies and spoiling the total industry.

But I believe, that is no other similar opportunity we can get with strong business idea. There are only very few business could get investments from public, cloud mining must be that kind as it needs more has power so public investments are possible.

Another way to invest bitcoin without mining is joining ICO with early bonus, study and learn trading and venture in it.  Buy a hosting site, a domain and create an online store that accept bitcoin.  this are the few that will give our bitcoin a  good amount of  earning.  HYIPS  and Ponzi is a no no.

At this stage none will prefer to have faith in cloud mining sites as everyone holds bad experience in the past where they have lost descent amount of coins so they will prefer to stay away from those sites.

In my opinion, cloud mining or rig rental doesn't make economic sense. If the owner of the rig was charging you less money for the rental than the bitcoin the rig would be expected to generate, then they would be better off just mining for themselves. The only real benefit I can see to rig rental is a way to test out how specific hardware actually performs if you were contemplating a purchase.

many ways to get bitcoin besides trading. we can do a signature campaign, to invest in trading and also play gambling.
it's very easy, and we just to need courage.

Cloud mining is almost scam as many of big names goes behind wall. Hashocean , cloudminer.io are some of them.
Well mining is only way to generate bitcoin constantly. But for that need investment in mining hardware.

Another way is altcoin trading. Many of new cryptocurrencies are coming with new vision and innovative concepts which have great features and future too. Investing in such altcoins can give good profit.

Buying bitcoins on a lower price and intending to sell it when the price rises is another great way of investing and getting profit. It takes time to get something out of it but it's way better instead of using machines to generate you dust (if you don't have the hardware capability to mine bitcoins on a large scale). However, mining can still be profitable if you mine other low diff coins that has the potential to make it big and then just sell it off for bitcoin.

Currently buying and selling is best option but its very risky and need too much intention because any late decision or mistake give you big shock mining bitcoin is going not good for any one some are enjoying altcoins mining and its giving very good profit which is best option

Signature campaign you get a payment(earning) = investing.
Gambling (betting) except trying bankroll = investing.
I don't think but all of that is included into investing list, and maybe real estate, real property, trading, building your business, or trying for buying a gold bar that is already including into the investing list.

I guess this is going to be a good way to invest without mining. You are just going to be a trader and as well as holder of bitcoins. And mining is really somehow expensive, you need to invest for your mining hardware rig and as well as you are going to get laid off with the electricity consuming of your hardware.

no. actually these days you can't trust any of the mining sites. because of the difficulty and the cost of mining bitcoin for those sites they can never stay alive especially if they are in countries with high electricity cost. so they turn into ponzi instead.

i think only buying it? Or maybe earn it thru btc cpa programs :D

If you just hold and let the price appreciate overtime, that's already considered an investment. All you need is patience if you want to invest for the long haul. There will be times when you'd be tempted to sell for the short term, but it is still better to hold for longer period, depending on what and how much profit you want to achieve.

Cloud mining is not real mining.well if you have interested in mining you will try real mining.most of the cloud mining are scam.I invest on forex besides cryptocurrencies.Also I invest stocks market in our country.I saw many people invest many different site.I find many others opportunity to invest my money.

Even if a mining site is not a scam it would still take too much time to reach ROI and before reaching ROI you wont see any profits or even after you reach ROI you will not earn any good returns from there, better to invest your coins somewhere else like on trading or somewhere.

This way it’s one of the best one. We can buy and hold, we can make trades and etc.
Nowadays I’d prefer buy and hold, because I really believe in a strong valorisation.

Base on my experience, the best way to invest bitcoin without mining is Buy a large amount of bitcoin in a low price, then hold it until the right time will come,  you may sell all your btc when the bitcoin price was double or higher from the price when you bought your btc. In that way you will gain high profits and the most important was your bitcoin is safe and never scam by someone..

You must be right as per present scenarios, holding bitcoin must be a better business model of investment than risking in cloud mining sites. Still, holding bitcoin will not grow your bitcoins but only making value appreciation for your holding.

Other than holding bitcoin, I agree trading bitcoin must be good alternative to cloud mining still trading requires a lot of initial skill developments and emotion control. But, one good alternate to cloud mining to have passive income must be investing in gambling sites' bankroll.

Offer  skills like programming, web design, etc in exchange for bitcoin.There are lots of site that do online jobs.Buy bitcoin with fiat.Invest in trading but you must have a good knowledge on how to trade, quite risky though...Join bitcoin affiliate programs.Purchase product in fiat and sell them for bitcoin.

I don't have any faith in mining sites so I will prefer to invest them in altcoin trading as my profits will depend on the actions that I take and I don't have to depend on others to make profits.

Another way to invest bitcoin without mining is through
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1625061.0

You can try invest on gambling sites and casinos, it's more safety than invest on mining imo. Mining is not good anymore, especially after the halving. It's better to invest it on gambling sites imo.

 i think the best is trading, in trading you teach your self how to get the best décision...

I keep saying this to every newbie that ask for ways to earn Bitcoin online. As a senior member of Bitcointalk, you have the opportunity to earn up to 50 USD per month just by posting online. All you need to do is to make some solid and good posts at Bitcointalk during your free time (not much time needed, does it?).

The stats that I said is last year signature campaign payout rate. The rates today may be lower to last year but the payout in term of USD is still about the same. Last year Bitcoin price is only about 200 USD.

Keep posting and soon you will be earning 50 USD per month for just posting online. Look good on your portfolio, isn't it?

There so many alternative way to earn bitcoin, first if you are a newbie you can start for freebitcoin.com, and you can also do joining in the signature campaign in the potential ico you think were you can invest in or lastly play trading in the exchange.

I think the easiest way to invest in bitcoin is holding bitcoin. You can buy some of bitcoin and hold it in some time until the bitcoin price is increase. Therefore you can earn much profit from it. But it may take some time to earn it.

Another way and easiest way is to wait for the price dump and buy Bitcoins. Wait for the price increase and then sell your coins. Wait again for the price dump so you could buy Bitcoins. This is just a repeating process. This is very advisable to do to those who cannot stay online 24/7 but this isn't advisable to those people who expect high returns and profit in a short time.

Yes I was too shocked after hashocean scam I don't trust any sites related to bitcoin mining and agar hashocean scan coince is also going to run because already they stopped paying the user.

I too want to know if any other legit site is available in which i can't invest bitcoin without any fear. But still i have a feae of losing my bitcoin

I suppose you can buy bitcoins and just keep them until the price rises and then sell the bitcoins, invest into a gambling site's bankroll, or invest into altcoins, but it's all really a matter of preference and where you want to invest. Just do your due diligence when investing and search up scam accusations.

I think the other way to earn bitcoin without mining, is that we should join in the signature campaign which is potential ico of course so that our investment will not turn into waste. or sometimes we can do faucets sites.

buying bitcoin and holding it until the price rise is the best and easiest way that anybody can do even with no trading or investing experience it can be done. and as for other methods i only like investing in the altcoins and trading them because the profit lies there.

and investing in casino bankroll is sometimes even riskier than gambling itself.

That's a good idea of yours dude, aside from that we can also do trading to buy other coins for us to multiply our coins faster. Moreover, holding bitcoin is really such a good way as always,but while waiting we need to think of some earnings were it cannot affect our routine here but can an add on into it.

If you are going to mine, the only way to do it is to mine on your own.  If you are looking for other ways to make BTC without mining, then invest into something.  I have small investments out there everywhere.  None of them are worth much but they are there building value.  Look around for small investments.

Invest in what? In forum? What do you mean?

This link is to threaad about forum which pay for ideas/help to other users - how you want to invest there?

The best way to earn is through trading. But it is something that requires understanding of trends and have access to insider information. Manual traders are going to lose out. Probably need some kind of trading bots.

Mine yourself or buy bitcoins and store them in your core wallet. Never trust anyone. This is internet, you can get scammed anytime. If bitcoin devs say the core wallet is the best, then i would follow that advice.

Alternatively, you can do another business and collect your payments as bitcoins. I don't know anything else.

Investing in cloud mining sites is not trustworthy at a moment as majority  of them will scam in you in long run so the best choice is to for altcoin trading and stat making regular profits.

Since you are fed up with cloudmining investment, even scammed by one of the company that is offering it, why not invest your money in Casino Houses?  Or in a trading exchange.  Some exchange sells share and give dividends depends on their rule.  Giving an example is alcurex that give dividends every week.  Halibit is managing it and one of the trusted legendary member here.

And if you don't have knowledge of trading then better way is to simply hold them for future and sell when you see higher price of bitcoins, the only risk in holding is that you won't make profits if price falls.

I think everyone would have knowledge about trading, for we all will not be separated from the trading. All the people would ever do this, we only need the adjustments themselves against all the things that exist in the trading bitcoin. If we can't do it, then we can do it in a way that free or simulation

I would say forget mining altogether. Mining itself is expensive time-consuming, and uses a lot of electricity. I would leave that for the pros. The best suggestion is to use your earnings that you get in real life and just buy bitcoin and hold it.

Just be an investor for new forums? and maybe I wanna for calling this like a troll....  maybe he think with investing in their forum and he is sure if the future of his forum will like bctalk and can returning the money back but that is just my assumption but I not sure about the real implementation about his mind.

Same here pal, i do have a hard time to move on  after the  hashocean scam incident which i lost almost 7btc  total which is really upsetting  when they ran  completely our money and  all of its investors until now  there are no trace  behind that ponzi site. Earning bitcoin wouldnt be easy as you said  you have  to work for it  in able to earn decent amounts of bitcoin, there no easy money here.

Yeah and its very disappointing when we loose our hard earned money as we know how much hard work we need to do even to earn a small amount of bitcoins and loosing a big amount is always irritating.

Best way is to build your own rig, instead of depending on cloud mining

yeah also we can  join altcoin investment although it is so risky becouse so many altcoin was dissapear after a few month. but it still good if we know that the developer is have a good credibility. so we can grow up our bitcoin in altcoin investment. i suggest to all bitcoin users to think twice before join minning site.

Yes mining sites are no more legit now so its better to stay away from those sites, and if you are investing in altcoins then  make sure that you don't hold them for long term, sell them as soon as price pumps.

One great site to invest bitcoin is giftobit. Invest small amount 0.06 BTC one time and secure spots in bitcoin earnings. Plus for this investment you will give 20+ videos whit hours and hours of video content about crypto currency and bitcoins in general. Trust me it is worth every μBTC. Join from my signature link and I will guide you to setup all.

It also depends what you follow mines. If you follow cloud mining is a very good thing in the near future and it would be a bad thing in a long time. because cloud mining system uses a ponzi or hyip, so if they will just give you an advantage in a short time after that they will bring a run for all the money invested in

No one needs any bot for trading, anyone can do it manually if they learn the things needed in it, no one was expert from starting but they learnt the things and tried them and then they got experienced, before learning something we need to keep trying and slowly we grow.

I a, also a victim of this mining scam. They dont lasts as far as they have profited, they closed down and register another site buy just editing their front page. I learned my lesson a lot,now I am studying trading of altcoins.

I never look for any investment opportunities that too without any proper recommendation from reputed people. I believe there is no need to look for any other investments similar to bitcoin mining. I believe only with bitcoin investments as it has unlimited opportunities to bring unlimited returns for our investments.

you can still get into mining but not "cloud" mining since they are all scammy sites. you can also start mining altcoins if you are so interested in the mining process. there is only a need for a rather medium investment and then only a cheap electricity. so you can make profit from mining some of the altcoins and sell for profit.

It's OK that you say so. Today are many Scam site all over the web. But these is something diffrent. I highly recommend that you go to their website and look at the video's what it is. I'm not trying to force anybody to join the program but I want to help other people like someone of them helped me. Guy's this is geat site and has a great community of members. Site is new true but Withdraw proof ar here https://blockchain.info/tx/5a48aae04e348d21b7580d15da06964dd7bc337c4696baf485c44181f680b327 and if you interesting link for registration is bellow on my signature box.

if you do mining bitcoin and with a very limited hardware sources ,
and then it is meaningless , you will never get any profit doing that ,
but you can always looking for a promising altcoin , you can mine them ,
or just put a little investment on it , there is no harm.

Yes. I agree with you. I try this on my older computer and did'n earn anything. I give up when I see there ar no earnings.

Nice catch. Since I'm ready to lose some money anyways, why not invest it to a site that is closest to legit?
I mean, there can't be a trading site that has a possibility of bankruptcy. But since there is someone who manages it and is a resident of bitcointalk, it makes it more trustworthy.

Be sure to check my post on page before this. Great site to get you earn bitcoins. Link is on my description box. Check his video and if like what you see I will heip to setup everything to start earn.   

There are many way to start investing without using cloud mining there are some investment casino's website that offer good services or offer good percentage of bitcoin per month you can just look at the gambling discussion thread and put your investment there if you choose one gambling casino

A lot of them ar also scam site. So need to be carreful.

There are many way like- casino,gambling and so on.
OR just buy bitcoins with your own money and save. 8)
Now while you are saving and continuing to add more bitcoin to your wallet, study trading and altcoins.

always trading is there learning deep from trading will make you earn big coming from btc since mining is already not profitable because of generation cost much better to invest your time to learn trading and master the skills.

start your own business in bitcoin. this is the only best option that you can have for earning bitcoin in good quantities.

since bitcoin is still young there is not enough businesses associated with bitcoin in different fields so there is a lot of room for being the number one just like big sites like eBay and Amazon were someday small and now are number one.

Yes trading is always better in compare to mining, as in mining you also need to invest your money and  it may not profitable if electricity cost is higher in  your country.

so if you can not afford to spend million dollar to build a mining farm ,
why you did not just put your a little amount money on a high potential altcoin?
there a lot of altcoin popping up lately , you just need to watching them ,
and make a decision which one you should invested to.

Investing is always connected with risk. If you don't have knowledge about investment target there is very high possibility that you can lost even all your invested money (in internet is a lot of scam offers).

Mining and especially cloud mining that also is very high risk investment, but if you do good investigation you can find legit service or partner that will help you do first steps in this subject.

One of the most faster groving Bitcoin service is gambling, so in my opinion investing in casino, or some gambling service can be one from the best options at this moment.

what if gambling or trading? it is another alternative to double bitcoin..  8)

yes to both but as long as you understand the following:

in gambling you can lose all of your investment the same way as you can double it.

in trading you can never lose "all" of your investment if you open your eyes, you can sell even if you have bought in a bad time and the prices go down so you don't lose much.

Yeah I will prefer to go for trading instead of gambling because in gambling if I loose I will loose everything, but in trading there is always a chance of making profits if you are actively monitoring the market.

Another way to invest in Bitcoin without mining is spending time
in trading. In trading you can earn profit well as long you know how
to managed your investment. Thus, trading gives you an also excitement,
fun to trade an altcoins.

In the first place hashocean is already a scam ponzi cloud mining where you can lose your bitcoin lot's of investors are loose there bitcoin and money because of this , Just don't invest your money you're just loosing it try trading or other activities that you can grow your money with.

Don't invest in any ponzi schemes.

There are many good projects coming this year.

In march i will invest in Cardstack (https://cardstack.com/).

Don't consider it as investment suggestion.

Do your own investment before you invest.

We all know that bitcoin is the main crypto currency of digital coins. Other cryptocoins just depends on bitcoin's value so it greatly affects them. Since bitcoin is accepted worldwide, people are starting to invest in it without mining through holding any amount of it because it will give more profit when its value rises.

There are several ways to generate bitcoin, and if judged from the profit generated then the sequence is mining (not including cloud mining), buying and holding, trading, and bounty or signature campaign. Mining has the highest profitability than others. If you're looking for other ways than mining bitcoin, maybe you can try the second rank.

Cardstark is a very good project and I am prepared to invest in it. This project is developing very well and DEV always follow the roadmap that is very good.

you mentioned it is not mining, but no more just HYIP mining actually have to use their own equipment, you can mining from home of you want.
Ok, back to your question. Invest bitcoin in addition to HYIP
You can buy altcoin for trading or just keep it as a long term investment, or you can invest your btc into ICO project

participating in bounty can be one way for you to get BTC, this work is not too time consuming. but if you do not have time to be in front of your computer screen this will be difficult. you have to sacrifice your time to work in front of your monitor for 1 to 2 hours in 1 day

Airdrop and buying bitcoin.

You could join the signature campaign and earn bitcoins through posting.  When you have your earnings, you could put it on investment sites, legit one.  Try to join a group that do some investments.

Try researching and investing in other coins, it would be more profitable if you will not stick to only one kind of coins

the best thing that you can do to invest bitcoin is by buying bitcoin at many places especially in the exchange but I don't think that there is any exploit or another way that allow you to have bitcoin by free except play the faucet. and if you don't trust with mining especially cloud mining, maybe you need to try to mining with the hardware, you can use s9, d3, l3, or gpu like rx580 or 1080ti. I think if you have tried this, you will see that you can mining bitcoin and you don't need to use cloud mining.

Alternative way to earn Bitcoin is invest in exchange or trading, there is no scam here but you need learn and techniques in trading because you will invest high amounts of fiats and need also to focus here, it is up to you whether you will HODL it or buy and sell it.

I don't know. It's highly likely that there'll be some kind of faucets or something like that because it's unlikely that you'll be able to make money without investing or cryptocurrency mining.

To earn bitcoin you can mining or trading. Investing is for long term.
if you don't want to mining anymore, than just trading. just buy some bitcoins when the price red, and hold it.
then sell it when the price is green.

I am doing by being a bounty hunter to invest in bitcoin because bitcoin mining is a lot of a scam. One of the safest ways is to become a bounty hunter like bounty social media and signature.

Actually there are several ways you can take advantage of Bitcoin, like you become a Bitcoin trader, you buy Bitcoin when it is cheap and sell it when the price goes up or you can follow ICO project, you just need some Bitcoin (BTC) or eye other digital money received by the manager of an ICO.

Thank you !

seems legit. investing in a long run is definelty the best alternative to do if you dont like mining. however there were also few methods that you can try aside from investing and that is trading but trading isnt for everyone especially if your a newbie and dont have enough experience on how crypto works. much better if you can just buy bitcoins and keep it hodling for a longer time because you can avoid all those hassel of doing a trade.

If you cannot mine as it is now harder to mine bitcoins, just buy when there is a dip in the price, put it in your wallet then wait for the bull market to roll around then you can sell and make profit.

You can invest Bitcoin in trade site and you gonna make an important profit if you know when you sell and when you buy

By buying in. Use money which you can afford to lose and buy into the market and hold your coins for the long run. This is the better choice to me and mining is no longer an easy task as it used to be and you don't make that much anymore.

You can try trading if you have some capital to put but first search first what is bitcoin trading then study some basics techniques and strategies. Second is look what coin in the market is best to gain profit, you must also learn the coin first before attempting to buy it. Lastly go to any trading sites and carefully examine the movements of the coins you want to buy. It is risky but once you adopt the system, you will earn huge amount of money.

I use solely the stock exchanges and everything, and I do not need mining, especially in our country if they find it, they'll immediately take it away, and this is a big loss for me, it's not profitable for me!

Hi, investing bitcoin needs patience, i dont mine, i buy bitcoins in lower price then i wait days or weeks until it rise and you can your profit,thats the i sell it then wait again until the price goes down again. Patience is important. Good luck to us bro.

Dont trust some mining site. instead build your own mining rig. But there still ways to invest without getting scams, try to invest in a trusted ICO. You could gain more profit in investing ICO.

If you want to invest in bitcoin but you don't want to do mining then you can just directly buy bitcoin from the market and that is how you can get started in investing your money into bitcoin and you can also do trading which is better than mining and still can give you profits and the best part is, you can earn your potential whole month profit in mining on trading in just a few days.

Buy. Just buy bitcoins on trading websites and be done with it. With buying, you don't have to invest on an expensive miner anymore. Just a simple PC with internet connection or a phone on data is enough to keep track of your investments in bitcoins.

This is actually beauty of bitcoins that wherever you are, it really doesn’t matter. You don’t need to have huge setups and arrangements for them to be operated. Rather get a laptop or computer, get internet access and let’s start the party. You can buy them, sell them, and see their run going high and low. But yes, this isn’t as easy as it seems. Good skills and well decision making can make this positive.

Well another way to invest in bitcoin if you do not wish to mine is to just buy directly into the market with your own and it is the easiest way to get bitcoins in my opinion. Just take your money, buy coins, get the equivalent of your money in bitcoins, transfer it to your wallet and hold, then wait for the market to go back up. Also you could try bounty campaigns and see how they work out for you

Trading is the best way to earn more bitcoin easily so you can start trading.You can easily get a profit from trading and no need to work on your pc .I have no idea about mining but i have little knowledge about trading so research and know on the trading platform.If you control emotional and tight holder just buy bitcoin and hold until 3x profit.

Trading is good way of earning but I think it is not good to trade if you have not aware of the trading ups and down at first priority you should learn about it after that you can go for trading, trading can be good but for this it is very important to get knowledge at what time you should trade and when not, try to trade for the long term as it reduce the risk of lose,. But the most suggested investment for me it to invest in bitcoin and hold it for long time as it will be risk free earning, mining is very expensive ways of earning at high price you will have to buy the equipment's then after that you will have to pay for the electricity bills as well.

You can just buy bitcoins, you know? You don't have to trouble yourself to buying, paying, and maintaining an ant miner or a gaming pc/minig rig. Just pay up front at the coin exchange and you get instant bitcoins for trading, buying, and selling. No need for high investments and electric bills.

You can invest in BTC and start daily trading. It takes a lot of time but I think it's a lot more profitable than mining. Or participate in various bounty campaigns and then buy a BTC.  ???

Now mining is no longer effective because you have to pay a large cost. On the other hand the value of bitcoin is decreasing and you will not make much profit from mining. It is best to join a signature campaign to earn bitcoin. In addition, you should buy into bitcoin to accumulate for the future.

It's good to trade and mine bitcoins your self not with the recommendation of any other apps and agencies because we can't recognise froad that much easily. Other wise you may earn bitcoins through sinsiare work on bitcoin campaign. You may earn through this way. Let me give you an advise in todays world no one will help you to become billionaire without expecting anything from you, so don't trust anyone more than you otherwise you may cheered by anyone.

I think the other way to earn bitcoin without mining, is that we should join in the signature campaign which is potential ico of course so that our investment will not turn into waste. or sometimes we can do faucets sites. In an investment environment where the risks from investing in ico's or crypto trading (https://celticcrypto.com/) can be as big as the opportunities, the ability to access opportunities that have some level of independent validation would be a major benefit to investors.

There are many scammers now a days

Don't invest in any ponzi schemes.

There are many good projects coming this year.

Recently i was doing some research and find out that Egretia project is damn intersting.

Have a look at their website, whitepaper before you take any decission.

Don't consider it as investment suggestion.Do your own investment before you invest.

Acrually you can do some bounty to earn bitcoin or etherium and its dont need any investments at all! But need a lot of time:")

Holding coins for future is the safe way to earn profits but there is no guarantee of it as price may even fall in future so it can really waste your time, best option is to use them in trading and try to multiply your coins

right. Keeping money is not the best way to grow your capital. We need to be flexible in every situation of the Crypto market. Waiting does not really yield good results if you use it the wrong way. Think smart and trade smart, you will receive a reward worthy of your efforts.

mining is one way of doubling bitcoin but if you want to invest but not with mining buy more bitcoin, trade or invest money on ico that's how i know to double the bitcoin you have now

bitcoin is a long term investment. if you want to invest in short time, you won't get much. you can get loss.
as you can see now bitcoin price is starting to look good. its need patience.

I do not think bitcoin is a long term investment. In my opinion, bitcoin should be a short term investment. Because its price is always so great and we should take advantage of that opportunity to make a lot of money from buying and selling fast.
I've been doing it for a long time and I've never had a loss.

Will  there so many different ways on how to earn or invest bitcoin without mining,but its depend of what passion you would like to invest in different branches of cryptocurrency investment,maybe you can choose ICO investment,trading,or being a bounty hunters of this community,faucet or airdrops,actually all of this is an digital currency investment that you can exploit without the presence of mining investment,but all of this is depend of your passion of  which one would you choose.

Yes. I agree with you. I try this on my older computer and did'n earn anything. I give up when I see there ar no earnings.

if you dont trust cloud mining anymore you can try the hardware mining. buy some asic miner like antminer or other and start miining in your home by yourself, it will has a lower risk than you investing your mony in the cloudmining, my friend do mining and they got big profit from it, i think you can try it too if you want

Not everyone can do bitcoin mining cause it’s not easy, takes time and costs you money. You have to understand some technicalities in bitcoin. If you want to invest in bitcoin but you don’t want to mine, then you can just buy and sell bitcoins. Since bitcoin is very volatile, holding and selling bitcoin can earn you money.Bitcoin mining is just one option among all the others.

But he's worried about trading, he's afraid that if he buys them at a high price, and then it goes down, he will be at a loss. There are many options at Crypto but they are too risky, and mining is a low-risk option, and they have a steady passive income stream.

The easiest and most obvious way is simply to buy bitcoin on the exchange. It seems very simple, but it works best.

I was also burned on the extraction and do not even want to bother with it and just buy bitcoin. Also, in parallel, I am engaged in bounty projects, also a great way to increase investment capital.

buy and sell bitcoin is the easy way to invest in bitcoin but we still need money to buy bitcoin. maybe he can try with bounty campaign which could help him to earn tokens so he can sell the tokens to earn bitcoin. from this, if he can join in another bounty after one bounty is finish, I am sure that he can collect more tokens that he can sell it. maybe only a few people that could survive in the mining crypto because it will take time and need more money to start so the choices are up to him.

You can invest in potential altcoins or good casino sites where you can expect guaranteed profits if you invest in right and genuine site as many users are earning descent profits from those sites.

You can invest your bitcoin in exchange where you can see and monitor the price. You can also get profit from it if you want to just learn some techniques how to do that. Just don't stick in one investment because you don't k ow if it will be success all the way so it is better to have a back up plan or back up investment.

in my standpoint,you can buy bitcoin with the money you saved,plus you can introducing bitcoin to your friends and locals this work will increase the value of bitcoin through team effort.

If you want to invest in bitcoin without mining - just buy it. This is the easiest and best way to invest why not everyone is taking it. Mining is really not easy.

If you have money to invest, I suggest you just buy bitcoin on the exchange. I have always done this and continue, although somehow considered the possibility of mining. But I still decided to give it up, because of the high cost of equipment.