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I already have an account, how can i be your referal? If i request to support, will they move me under yoour affiliate account?

Can I create the other account? Will they ban my 2 accounts?

Currently, please remember to login to Betcoin.ag or wallet consistently for RB to be updated in a timely fashion. 

Currently, please remember to login to Betcoin.ag or wallet consistently for RB to be updated in a timely fashion. 

Still have not gotten rb yet, looking to get in some games.

We are happy to announce the return of the Betcoin Surprise Box which will appear in your account every 12-36 hours.

The Surprise Box is a random prize that randomly appears at different times. The prize can be a number of things such as a Casino or Poker Bonus, Free Spins, Status Points, Betcoin Points and so on. To claim the prize a player must log into their Betcoin.ag account. The size of the prize depends on the VIP level and the higher the level the greater the prize.

The surprise box now updates randomly between once per day or once every two to three days max. .

When available the surprise box is locate din the upper right hand corner between between the search and the message cues.

Rakeback will be temporarily delayed for the week of 10/3 - 10/9 due to system updates.  Expect completion before Friday 7 PM EST.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

Being processed and should be done later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest. Some people may have received 2 transfers as additional data came in. Ty.

Can i get detail about how to join in your Rakeback and where should i play with your referral program as i am very much interested in poker games but same i am not able to reach any rakeback even after playing for so many times daily

I have a bronze I account, is it possible to be your referral because they only allow one account. I mean can they change my account to be your downline.

Hey bud any update on when the RB from 10/10-10/16 will be hitting our account?  Thanks.

good job on the rakeback so far.
what happened to status points, can we no longer exchange them for mbtc?

Per the site rules player affiliation cannot be re-tagged.  Apologies for the inconvenience.


Hi, this was taken care of and some players may have received 2 transfers if additional stats came in for them for that week.


Thank you.  With this newer platform there is no need to exchange status points into mbtc because mbtc is now automatically credited into the vip 'rakeback' balance which you may then transfer to the main balance.

I got it, thanks.  Do you have an estimate on when last week's RB will be credited?  Do you think later in the week is going to be the new norm?

Please process my rakeback for last week, really looking to get into some games right now, thanks man.

From what I have seen, I definitely want to try this out...

Appreciate your interest.  Yes, the poker room offered in this reward program is definitely one of the more welcoming and attractive poker rooms out there.  The game of peer-to-peer poker is one of the most beloved games on our planet, and with this reward program of additional rakeback, players that believe they are above average can finally win consistently, and the players that are inferior will have more motivation and leeway to work on their game.

Their affiliation and the existence of this rakeback program and the Betcoin Poker room has little to no relevance.  Your evidence and finding(s) are non-conclusive like always, but even if it was beyond a reasonable doubt it wouldn't really matter.  Take for instance the Cesars/Horseshoe brand; if one their business affiliates makes a ruling for one of their progressives on the gaming floor that was against the customer (which happens for more often than you'd think), it really has no affect on the poker room either at that establishment or at an affiliate establishment.  Your sabotage attempt of the poker room has no bearing. 

I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout.

I agree that I may be called upon at any time in the future to make a statement provided by Betcoin.ag on any forum, as requested, in relation to this case.
I further agree to refrain from making any more negative statements about BetCoin.ag and Betsoft in regards to the matter involving this settlement, or I will be in breach of this agreement.

We don't want nor ever asked jasonort to keep his mouth shut.  Betcoin also didn't pay jasonort off.  This was an agreement between jasonort and the software provider

Lutpin, the agreement is with the player and the software provider.  This was never a dispute with Betcoin and our player.  It was a dispute with our player and the software provider.    As far as we are concerned, he can share any specifics that he wants and we never even asked him to sign an agreement with us.  We never needed an agreement, a settlement or for him to shut up and encouraged him not to shut up and spoke to him nearly everyday about the matter.  This was a dispute with the software provider.  We actually want him to speak more about it and say whatever he wants.

Any news on when you expect to be paying RB this week?  Thanks.

Any news on when you expect to be paying RB this week?  Thanks.

I am going to try to raise awareness about the current integrity of the cash games on Betcoin during the past few months since just talking about it on the tables seems insufficient considering the cheaters still get action.

Cliff: There is none.

It has been 6 months since I try to get Betcoin management to take measures against BOTS playing on the site, to no end.
The accounts in question are: “Durrr” / “Duremar22” (“Durrr” is not playing anymore, it has been replaced by the “Duremar22” account) and “8microman”.
Durrr/Duremar22 playing 200NL and 100NL tables in the morning CET
8microman being in charge of playing 100NL and 50NL in the afternoon CET.

All those accounts are using the same based BOT (each operator can certainly tweak it but at its core the way it acts remains the same)
The accusation of them being BOTS is not a wild speculation, it is relaying on:
/.Stats on key points
/.Sizings
/.Timing tells
/.Antics at the tables.

Each alone not being enough (tho, the stats converging on a lot of key points over a large sample size is enough but you need to have a big DB), altogether them using the same based BOT is an evidence.

I would not go into specifics as I did with Betcoin management because I certainly do not want to help the BOT maker to tweak it and render it harder to spot.

The reaction of Betcoin management has simply been to do nothing.
When after a couple of months the only answer I can get is that “they are on it” and “they are still compiling data” it sadly became obvious that they didn’t intend to do anything.

We are not talking about a site with hundreds of players on average in cash games. Betcoin, according to Pokerscout, has an average of 20 cash game players.
20 players on average and they cannot spot / ban BOTS with such a low player pool.

It can only be either sheer incompetence or malicious intent.
Giving the track record of Betcoin, I would go for the former but that still not make it ok as players on Betcoin are getting cheated everyday by those BOTS.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.msg16861031#msg16861031

You probably make money out of these BOT accounts but I hope you are aware that this is bad for everyone (players, site, affiliates) that they can run wild on a site and that, in the long term, it surely means the end of online poker.

So I do hope you’re gonna push very hard the Betcoin Management so that they finally take actions against the BOT accounts that are cheating the players since months on Betcoin.

I copy/paste here what I said on the Betcoin BTC thread in case my post is being nuked there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.msg16861031#msg16861031

You probably make money out of these BOT accounts but I hope you are aware that this is bad for everyone (players, site, affiliates) that they can run wild on a site and that, in the long term, it surely means the end of online poker.

So I do hope you’re gonna push very hard the Betcoin Management so that they finally take actions against the BOT accounts that are cheating the players since months on Betcoin.

I copy/paste here what I said on the Betcoin BTC thread in case my post is being nuked there.

Xiao doesn't give a fuck and Betcoin deleted your post already...

Hello Who0CaR3s,

First of all, I appreciate your involvement and proactiveness in policing the poker room.  It is people like you and live support that make Betcoin poker one of the better and promising poker environments today.  I must note there is a decent amount of players that have NOT taken advantage of this rakeback program.  The players you bring into question are not on this rakeback program, so I am certainly not profiting off their play.  

The problem is that there are way too many careless 'bot' accusations being flung around, and most of which after close examination are not bots at all, and some of these accusations even turn out to be players having a vendetta and/or fit of rage against another player that has won against them.

I'm certainly not saying that is what you're doing as you seem to have much more care in your examination/accusation.  However, I can say that the evidence you've brought up isn't even CLOSE to being conclusive.  You would have to have a LARGE sample of hands which I doubt you have, on the player(s) in question PLUS every other telltale sign of botting has to be positive, for it to be conclusive that one is botting, and it seems like you are not at that point in your investigation.

In the past, Full Tilt poker had done a great job of eliminating bots, and they were only able to do so after having sample sizes of over 30,000 hands.  The worst thing that can happen is for an innocent player and all his/her hardwork and grind to be destroyed due to accusations.  My advice is to stay vigilant and wise at the same time, making sure the poker environment is safe as well as not making careless accusations, both of which you're quite good at, but most players are not like that; hence they throw out careless accusations and some out of malice.

Finally I think an even scarier problem in online poker in general, far scarier than bots, is the problem of collusion.  This problem is pretty much nonexistent at Betcoin Poker's cash games, due to the vigilance of people like you and live support, but it is something I hope everyone can/will focus on more, because bots certainly do not have the unfair advantage that collusion brings.  In fact, most bots avoid playing good players.  Why are there never any potential bots willing to sit with some of the high rollers at say $5/10 NL and higher?  It's because world class players, thankfully, are still greater than bots and much less exploitable than bots at this point in NL/PL.  At any rate, I've said a lot and I will certainly bring up anything that I see questionable to support.  So we are certainly on the same page in terms of wanting a clean and healthy poker environment.

Twitchy, don't put words in my mouth.  You're more of an annoyance than asset to the poker community.

The accusation of them being BOTS is not a wild speculation, it is relaying on:
/.Stats on key points
/.Sizings
/.Timing tells
/.Antics at the tables.

Each alone not being enough (tho, the stats converging on a lot of key points over a large sample size is enough but you need to have a big DB), altogether them using the same based BOT is an evidence.

I would not go into specifics as I did with Betcoin management because I certainly do not want to help the BOT maker to tweak it and render it harder to spot.

I am not the only one who is saying that, Lessu is much competent than me and he already proved that those users are bots.
They are all big winners and they have overaggressive stats, they are not strictly table selecting and often they play 3 or 4 handed vs regs.
I am big winner on 100/400 also and i cant believe that someone without great table selection, on 888 where is huge rake, is taking so much money with so much aggression.
They all have identical stats, aggression turn frequency 45-50, iso bb vs sb limp over 70%, flop bet vs missed cbet IP 75% and stab turn OOP 80%. And they are not nits, they play 28/23, 29/21...
I am playing these game for years and i've never saw any winning reg from nl20 to nl600 with turn aggression nowhere near 40.

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According to some of the players, there seems to be an issue with Jackpot Poker that is not starting the games when adequate players have registered, which may be the reason why some people have waited hours and not have games start.  Staff is looking into this. 

Xiao you might want to delete Twitchy's post above, he changed your hyperlink to something like "youranidiot.org" or something. Also can you check your email please, thanks man!

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Not really, I mainly bet on both betcoin and nitrogen, I find nitrogen has 95% odds better than betcoin, you just showed a rare example, I like betcoin, but their sports odds are not high enough, hope they will increase them.

Regarding the issue of potential botter(s) I'll get to the rest of your post tomorrow because I've got to wake up early in the morning.  Take care!

Also many people have inquired about Table Starter Rakeback.  The answer is that it is NOT going away.  It's simply being reconstructed and Betcoin will continue to be the best poker environment in all of online poker!

There is not a time table for the return of the table starter rakeback at this time, however when it does it will be during certain hours and for certain VIP levels as a bonus. We will keep you updated. Ring game traffic has been great and we are very thankful to our great players for that. Good luck everyone!

One month later, any more thoughts you want to add on the subject ?
Did you even tackle the subject with Betcoin mgmt ?


That's not at all what Andrew said on the subject.
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-starter-maintenance
They have no plan to bring it back. And even if some day they do, that would only be limited in time and only some players could benefit from it.

Time to change your OP title, you no longer can offer up to 133%RB to your players.

For the players who are ready to play HU and create action, they are just left with having to pay a ridic rake (2x CAP compares to industry std, for those who plays high enough that means up to a 2x rake - even your RB + VIP do not make it up for it) and anyway most of the time nobody wants to play you.

When you finally manage to create action on a table, a BOT might join. If like me you refuse to play it, well then you would need to wait again that someones wants to start a new table with you.

In a nutshell, you spend your time waiting without playing.

But I guess Betcoin is ok with the situation, they don't have to pay for TSR anymore and since they don't intend to do anything against the BOTs they still have them to fill the tables - without them asking for anything - during CET time which is the deadtime for US players.

I thought it was more likely to be sheer incompetence, at this point I'm starting to think it is at least a guilty silence.

Hi WhoCares,

The problem with your analysis of bots (the 2 players you mentioned in question) is that you only have about 200-300 hand sample.  Do you expect a site to ban a player because of your minute sample size and your gut instincts?

Regarding Table Starter Rakeback, sure there isn't a time table of when it'll be back, but the answer is that it will be back, inevitably.  The reason there isn't a time table is because the specs of TBSR is still being worked on and debated.  Andrew's answer wasn't set in stone.  The site has just updated to a new platform and many things are pending, from promo's to backend, etc.

I already explained myself here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1612688.msg16874992#msg16874992
And it has nothing to do with "gut instincts". But you can choose to believe I am FOS like you’re hinting I am.

As for what I expected from Betcoin is that they actually used their DB to confirm what I already knew was true.
If they thought I was FOS like you think I am, they would have told me outright. They did not. At all.

But when after 2 months, Andrew was still telling me that they were on the case and they were still compiling DATA… well, that is pure BS.
It doesn’t take months to put up all the hands you have on a player and do a security check on a suspected account. Especially when you already know what you’re looking for.
Or that speaks volume about the Betcoin “security department”.

And that’s the core of the problem. It’s either they are incompetent or that they choose not to do anything against these BOTs because all that they can see it’s them filling up tables.

We’re talking about a site, Betcoin, which used house BOTs to fill their tables during months after they launched. Those house BOTs were operated by “Gadhafi” the former owner of the scam site SatoshiPoker [Source: “Ghadafi” himself as he talked openly about it in chat, multiple times].

Giving this track record, thinking that Betcoin elects to do nothing against these new BOTs is not far-fetched…

Is that your “gut instincts” ?

Facts:
•It’s been 6 weeks TSRB has disappeared
•According to Andrew there is no timetable for it to come back

Consequence: At this time, your OP title is false advertisement.

There will be a temporary delay in rakeback this week due to update of stats.  If your rakeback is short, you will receive an additional transfer as extra data comes in.  Apologies for the inconvenience as the Betcoin platform is constantly being improved and fine-tuned.  Thanks and take care!

Hi Xiao, could you send me partial rb payment for me. I know ur busy so don't worry about the rest, thanks bud!

I haven't received rakeback in a couple weeks, any idea on when it will all be sorted out? Thank you!

Betcoin.ag is excited to announce Ethereum (Ether) deposits to bitcoin and litecoin deposit options. To deposit Ethereum (Ether) go to your profile and generate an Ethereum (Ether) address. Send your Ethereum (Ether) to your address and it will be added to your account shortly after one confirmation. The Ethereum (Ether) is converted to the bitcoin amount in real time and credited.

We thank you for playing with us and we look forward to your feedback.

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Ethereum? Decentralization taken to the new extent!

What are the fundamentals?

With current economic trends and fluctuations people have start to look into the possibility of storing their wealth in other forms of currency than just FIAT and by now most of the world if not all have heard and get some type of idea about bitcoin or litecoin at least once, now whether it is good or bad, that is a topic for another discussion.

Ethereum has the same type of working principal as does bitcoin and the niche continues to be transparency, with no central authority while operating on the blockchain. We are calling these type of funds as cryptocurrency. Networks are unique for them both, fundamentally based around money designed to be used on the blockchain.

The Blockchain itself is a public ledger in which anyone can look up every and any transaction that ever took place, starting from the very first ones Satoshi shipped out himself. Same factor is being one of the main drive in inserting trust into these type of currencies that are being used on the blockchain since there can be no secret transactions taking place as they are all being recorded and published without any salting.

Above mentioned fundamentals are similar to ethereum and bitcoin how ever that is about all that you could say about their similarity.

What is the difference in between Ethereum and Bitcoin?

As you know by know both of these inventions are developed in order to break loose from the centralized banking system, now while bitcoin is designed to only transfer value over the web then ethereum on the other hand is here for people to transfer or exchange anything that they could come up with over the web. Don't get me wrong the monetary aspect of ETH is still there but we can see the difference in which it is not being strictly limited to just being currency or trading platform.

Perhaps not the best way to describe the difference in mentioned two but simply put Bitcoin is monetary-based blockchain while Ethereum could be pictured as general-purpose blockchain.

Ethereum as smart contracts?

Here is where ethereum starts to show it true values as users and developers have options to create decentralized applications which are governed by the smart contracts. There is no significant difference in smart and normal written contracts in which two or more parties enter into the agreement, plainly spelled out.

Let us give you an example of you wanting to create application that creates legal documents. Next step is to go and spell out a contract, with the developer, that outlines the type of app being developed and who is responsible for the specific tasks in the project. Now in order for you to go and create a contract and use ethereum network for hosting of it, you must pay a fee. Price on this will vary depending on such variables but not limited to as complexity or the numbers of members.

Needless to say more simple contracts will be yielding smaller fee than the complex ones. Parties who have chosen to go into the agreement on ethereum network will pay a fee to host of people who will host your smart contract, make sure that it stays alive (active) and enforce it. Currency that will be paid out to these parties is referred to as ether. Essentially this makes contracts governed by the ethereum users and not by any single government or government organization.

We could hope that entering into agreements via ethereum network and it's own currency that is backing it, will become as possible alternative for anyone needing a lawyer and is stuck paying huge fees in order to create an enforceable contract. Certain regions in which being taken advantage of by the legal system is at higher risk than usual ethereum could serve as a safe lifeline to grab upon on.

When was Ethereum born?

It was initially conceived in early 2014, man who lead it was Vitalik Buterin, who was a developer dealing with bitcoin. His goal in crafting this network was to create a network of decentralized applications that worked in much the same way as bitcoin.

It was launched 2015 and its ether currency quickly rose in value as people saw Ethereum as a way to do everything that bitcoin does and more. The main boost came from the fact that design wasn't built solely to transfer money but people were able to transfer all sorts of services and items.

Why are you telling us about this, can we gamble with Ethereum on Betcoin?

Currently finding online casino that are utilizing Ethereum or more accurately ether is a task to one of the heroes from old Greek novels. It is due the simple fact that ether cannot operate outside of Ethereum network which means that in order for casino to utilize this they must create house within the network itself. Unlike with bitcoin where many sites have developed their banking methods to accept Bitcoin, Ether does not present them with such option.

How ever if you have been subscribed to private insider's newsletter then you might have heard a little whisper of soon Ether being added to the Betcoin financing options also.

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At Betcoin the opportunity to live the poker dream is alive and real.  We've all witnessed the journeys of poker superstars that have started out with nothing but have amassed an empire.  Betcoin poker gives players the most opportunities to get started.

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Once you inevitably win chips, you have the opportunity to grind at cash games with 58-83% rakeback with BetcoinRakeback.com (http://betcoinrakeback.com).

Does anyone know if theres ongoing promos for the 250 ticket? They just closed the thread that gave it away.

There will continue to be promotions if you follow the forums.  It doesn't seem like the 250 mBTC freerolls are going away anytime soon.

Totally approve of this rb service. I'm at gold now so that's 63% and climbing! The great thing is that Xiao helps me out when support is backed up, and he's always answered my messages within 24hrs.

All players that deposit will have their account funded instantly with their deposits, however players at Bronze I and less VIP level will have a restricted account where transfers to poker and p2p transfers are disabled. You will immediately have access to your funds for dice, casino and sports action. Once the deposit has 1 confirmation all account restrictions will be lifted.

Players Silver III and higher will have full access to your funds throughout the Betcoin casino gaming environment with no restrictions. We appreciate those of you that have built up your VIP and we are going to be continually adding in features to make your gameplay the very best possible here at Betcoin.ag.

Players that abuse this system in anyway will have their accounts immediately closed and terminated. We will continue to listen to your feedback and work very hard to provide an exceptional place to play. We look forward to your feedback and are thankful of your support.

Just wanted to post and say that Xiao has provided me with great and prompt service for a year and a half. I have made probably five figures in rakeback in this time and he has always been there to resolve any issues I had. Highly recommend this service if you play on betcoin.

There will be a slight delay for last week's rakeback for the majority of players due to data errors, which will be resolved within the next few days.  Thanks for your patience and understanding.

When do you see this getting resolved?

There are some delays for BetcoinRakeback.com stats due to updates of the platform and everything will be resolved and up to date by the 19th of March.  Thanks so much for your patience and understanding!

update?

We have heard about some rather insane blockchain inventions from the moment that Satoshi made it all possible with his innovative decentralized vision but Liberstad might be the craziest one yet!

still waiting on 3/20-3/26?

I have not gotten rb or affiliate rb in several weeks and have not been able to get you to answer a pm.  Can we get an update on what is going on with this service?

Some players were overpaid in the last few months and some were grossly overpaid due to system errors.  Only those that have been grossly overpaid by more than 40% will have to wait until they've accumulated what they were overpaid before receiving further RB from BetcoinRakeback.com.  Everything will be sorted out within the next 7-10 business days.

Sincere apologies for the inconvenience and delays.  If your rakeback hasn't grossly deviated from your expectations, then you are not affected.

In other news, keep in mind the $5.7 million GTD OSS is coming up soon.  Expect games to increase during this time of year, and it is a great time for both cash game and tournaments.

Also there are many ways to get into tournaments and cash game and ultimately building a bankroll without ever having to make a deposit.  Please visit Betcoin.ag forums to get a piece of freerolls with relatively high prizepools and low entrants.

I hope you all could see that this delay of player rakeback was not the result of any malicious intent.