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EDIT:  This is a record,  most likely (after you read this thread)  you'll see that I had the world's first Bitcoin Kickstarter project approved, and most likely I will be deleting it tommrow (after I sleep on it to make sure).

My vision was that one day Kickstarter would be a viable option for developers to make innovative bitcoin projects.   However my vision wasn't shared by the bitcoin community (at least the ones in this thread).

Unless someone can convince me otherwise I think there is a 90% chance it's going to get deleted.

Thanks for your contributions (time and criticisms)

- Roger

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adagency/mobile-bitcoin-app-for-ios



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Kickstarter has approved its first Bitcoin Project

This is big deal people, bigger than just the value of this project.

If this is successful, I believe it will be a first for the Bitcoin Community. It also will help pave the way for other Bitcoin innovations to be funded though Kickstarter.

http://www.adaptiveglass.com/?p=711

it's -> its

fixed :)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adagency/mobile-bitcoin-app-for-ios

How many other IOS apps exist for Bitcoin right now?

zero funded by kickstarter.

Thanks for fixing the apostrophe issue. More importantly, BIG GRATS!!!  Also, many thanks from the rest of us. This is an important step in establishing Bitcoin as a means of exchange.

I'm only trying to help :).  If it gets picked up by other mainstream media, we don't want to look like unprofessional bunch (not implying anything :)).

I like the concept, but it needs over $5k to develop?

Mhmm it's a very very easy app. Nothing big.

But $5,750 goal?
Such an iOS-App cost just around $100.

It will cost me that much...    I need to most likely have some people help me (and that costs money)  though I will be building it myself,  I built for Android Mobile, HTML5 webapps but this needs more...  plus I will need to scale up the infrastructure as well (better servers, ect) in reality that most likely will be where a big part of the money is going.

I really hope the community supports this...  it will pave the way for everyone....   overall increasing the value of Bitcoins themselves as now they can be funded via traditional means as well...   

who needs ios?

i dont want apple kiddos using bitcoin :)

I'm not sure how this is done, but on kickstarter and indiegogo, I'm pretty sure you just submit any batshit crazy project you want and as long as it's not illegal it's automatically accepted. That, and as a mobile developer, an HTML5 *all browser* automated updating site doesn't cost $5,000. This just doesn't look right.

I will never own an iOS device... but I threw in for 5 anyhoo.

Whoops--I forgot to mention this before, as it hadn't crossed my mind.

Apple doesn't like anything to do with Bitcoin apparently.  So I hope you didn't plan on doing anything that PayPal currently does, or it's likely to be rejected.  :(  They've already pulled a few iOS apps related to Bitcoin.

how about a kickstarter to kickstart a bitcoin kickstarter

does not work like that at Kickstarter... they go though a whole process.  hence why almost all bitcoin kickstarters were denied prior.

I agree  :P

hey thats awesome, ill have to check out your site.

I agree $5,000 to make a basic app.  It sounds like there just trying to bounce some money off bitcoins popularity.  I'm always backing things on Kickstarter for a dollar here and there but I don't like what this app is offering.  A simple bookmark would be of as much use.  If it was for a wallet or something useful I'd throw it a dollar.


To true but not that I like or use Apple products but it is a big market share.

Lol thanks ;-)  launching a fairly known project on the site in the next hour or so.

I can't believe this is the response I am getting...  

That's what you guys think?  I shopped around for hosting for 1 year to support about 70,000 pageviews a day ,  help for building an iOS port of the existing Android and webapp,  and then added it together and that's the figure I got...

It's not "awesome this paved the way for bitcoin kickstarter projects, now there will be tons of innovation in the community"

It's "he wants to pay too much for webhosting"



It's just going to be roughly similar to the Android and Webapp...   I need it to be approved on the App Store...  can't do too much with their rule set so I will have to keep it simple.




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Doing this *after* receiving funding is a bit...eh...

Why not make it HTML5 and just say "fuck you Apple"?

I have that already, if you "add to homepage" it puts up a nice button and everything.

it's designed to run on an iphone 5...

try it..  http://www.ounce.me

I really was hoping the community would support this as it will pave the way for everyone.

I appreciate what you're trying to do and hope you'll get it done one way or the other.

Can you please explain in more detail how you would use the money should the project be funded? Why does this project need the money that you're asking? Saying that you need almost 6k for "development" isn't clear enough.

So, why not just do that and save $5000?   I'm not trying to rain on your parade here, and I realise you seem to want to be the first Bitcoin kickstarter person, but personally I think you'll need something a bit more impressive than this to start the ball rolling.

Just my opinion though, feel free to ignore it :)

I was planning on using http://www.inetu.net for webhosting =  $500/month ($6000 a year) for a dedicated server

I needed help for the iOS development, though I will be doing most of the coding myself, I still needed help for some parts of it - I was told that will run about $1200

Application fees and ect to Apple's App Store is 100 dollars a year  (which blows my mind because someone earlier said the whole project is less than the app store charge??)
https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/

Total fees for the first year,  $7,300

What I am asking is $5.750

Meaning I am going to eat $1,550  because I thought I was helping the whole bitcoin community...


I'm not going to ignore it at all,  I just wanted to have a limited successful kickstarter bitcoin project to pave the way for everyone else...  honestly that's why I am still in shock by some of the responses...

70k pageviews should be bringing some decent income.

$5700 for an APP that you're building yourself with a little outsourcing..
Are you paying yourself $100/h to make this APP?

You claim that the server $500 month is whats eating the cost..

So you want everyone to donate money to pay for your webhost.. While the rest of the year you make all profit with your adsense?

I think the main issue is that Kickstarter, in general, is all about innovation.  A lot of the successful stuff on there is quite groundbreaking (3D pens, touchscreen routers etc), so essentially rebadging an already existing webapp (which already has the ability to be saved as an "app" icon anyway), just seems like a bit of a waste of cash (yours and ours).

You have the right idea about "kickstarting" (excuse the pun) the Bitcoin train over there, but maybe sit back and have a think about what you can come up with that's a bit more unique (see BridgeWalker as an example).

Bridgewalker won't get into the app store (though I FULLY support that idea!)

It's the first bitcoin project approved on Kickstarter...  it most likely will be a standard bearer in terms of Bitcoin projects approved or not approved at Kickstarter in the future.   It was like pulling teeth just to get this approved... 3 submissions,  2 rejections ... only discussions via e-mail with their staff...


If you think a whopping 4 to 7 dollars a day is decent.....

Everyone else:

Honestly I am doing it for you, myself and everyone else that wants the bitcoin community to grow.   If you don't like it don't support it.  If you think I am doing the right thing than do support it.

I won't be able to please everyone...  but I know I'm doing the right thing.

Okay. I have no idea what kind of requirements you would have for a server, but that sounds pretty darn expensive - can't you do with anything less?

http://www.hostgator.com/dedicated

Even their most expensive package is $374/month, and you could probably start with a lesser package and upgrade if necessary.

I don't have sufficient knowledge about iOS development to comment on the rest, but I can tell you that the key to a succesfully funded project is to keep the costs as low as possible (unless you're a celebrity like Tim Schafer).

$250 a month is pretty good actually.. You cant be using the bandwidth needed for $500 server... more like $50 server.

Never use hostgater. They lock your accounts randomly and require you to send them government issued ID over unsecured email before unlocking them (worse than Paypal).

That's something I would like to avoid.

Look guys, end result.. please back it...   not because you like the project...  but because it will pave the way for yours and everyone elses project to get approved.

Wait, you want us to pay you $5000 so that projects will be approved in the future? If you've gotten yours up, and that was supposed to be the challenge, then isn't the work already done?

$5 is simply WAY too high. Maybe for a buck I would consider it.

I like the idea. Even tough I don't have any iOS stuff nor would I like to get apple stuff in the forseeable future, I support it and I might give some money. It has to be very hard to be such kind of 'pioneer'. Your Kickstarter page is not fully finished, however. Here are some tips for your Kickstarter page:
-The big photo is pixelated. Use a .png instead, but 100x better to create a promotional video.
-Post the breakdown of what the money is used for on the Kickstarter page as well.
-Possibly add some more rewards. People like crazy stuff. I don't know, ounce.me stickers, maybe real cascasius bitcoins for people that buy enough and possibly other items that promote bitcoin and your site/app. Having a sliding scale of cost for the rewards makes people with different amounts of money more eager to throw their leftover savings at you.

Have a great time,

~W-M

That's good advice.  I don't know how much still allow me to tweak that page because it's a ready submitted and approved but I will try

No interest in giving you $5700 for you to spend what ever on it. $500 a month for server space you should be paying for your website isn't something the community needs to fork up, especially since you're making $250 a month and only need a server that cost less than $50 a month to maintain. No one else gets their server space paid for.. You want the community to pay $5700 while by the end of the year you make $3000+ profit.

You telling me this

    OS: Linux CentOS 64-Bit
    CPU: Intel® Core™ i3 - 2 cores
    RAM: 2 GB
    Storage: 2 x 160 GB hard drives
    Bandwidth: 5 TB per month

Isn't enough to run your site?
That's $100 at godaddy.

You say 70k hits a day..?

Maybe if you had 70k visitors at any given time..

It's ok farlack,  I really don't need your 5 bucks.    I was excited as today I did make history on this... but clearly SOME of you guys believe otherwise..

Anything I say or do will be wrong in your eyes,  though I am right, and fully believe in what I am trying to do.

Yea also Matt Wright ...  for once you are correct.. I paved the way for you... go take advantage of it.  Thanks for the help.

$500/month for a dedicated server for starting out is absolutely ridiculous. Also I know MNW had a bad experience with HostGator, and there is a chance you'd be hit with a verification requirement as well, I think this is a positive aspect of the company. They take their customer's security very seriously. It is obviously not for everyone though and it's fine that he is not a fan. I respect his opinion but will maintain that it is the best webhost in the world and its track record and competition crushing customer satisfaction stands behind this statement.

http://www.hostgator.com/reviews

The app fee alone for the Apple App Store is $100


I don't know hostgator well,  I will call them.   Though based on the feedback so far it appears that this project wont' get done.

I work there if you have any questions I would be happy to answer.

I would love to,  honestly though you're reading this thread...  we got uber troll Matt Wright,  farlack "i know everything" and  timfah the "100 dollar app guy"

I really hope this isn't representative of the whole community or else we're all screwed.  not just me, everyone... 

No one is denying you made an accomplishment, everyone is agreeing you're trying to mooch funds off the community to pay for your costs. What you're asking for is no different than asking for a donation to buy a car, to advertise bitcoin websites for a profit... but the catch is.. you don't want a beater car, you want a Porsche.

Why the hell would anyone want to donate money for you to make money? Kickstarter is for innovation... not for you to buy unwarranted server space.. By the time you need a $500 server you'll be making $100 a day profit.

Greed is greed.

Founder figure out exactly what your server needs are (modules etc, are you an able SSH user? Are you capable of managing your own dedicated server in the first place? Do you need it to be managed?) and I will find you a realistic quote for how much you need starting out. 500/mo dedicated server is so much overkill it's not even funny.

Just out of interest can you send me the specifications of that dedicated server?

90% of people starting out with web businesses vastly overestimate their needs.

I don't have it off the top of my head,  but it was a cloud server is what I was quoted,  I was told to support that level of growth it would be in the range of 500-1000 / month

It's a PHP / Mysql setup

+1 I'm pretty sure you're getting ripped off

Edit

Here is my proposal:

16GB of Ram
8 Cores
160GB SSD
6TB of Bandwidth

for 1.5BTC/Month or $200/Month

Here is my budget proposal:

8GB of Ram
4 Cores
80GB SSD Disk
5TB Transfer

for 0.75BTC/Month or $100

A VPS is probably enough for starting out and at host gator at least you can upgrade VPS Instantly without having to do a migration. Why not start out with a level 3 and upgrade as needed until you actually need a dedicated server?

I sincerely hope it *is* representative of the whole community to remain skeptical and recognize that someone is making a substandard copycat service that doesn't need an app and then requesting that they "pay even if they don't like it" (way more than necessary at that), and logically deciding to pass on the offer. You need to rethink your position on some things if you expect "the community" to support you, or you will be the only one screwed my friend.

There are numerous free projects made by many generous people in this community. None of them spam their page every either post, none of them make narcissistic comments about their own work on a regular basis, and none of them are "shocked" when people criticize their work. I have often wondered about you (remember when we argued about your reasoning behind having the name "The Founder", but not bothering to clarify what you are the founder of exactly?) being a bit of a manchild, but after the blackmail and claims of stolen funds without any comment from the affected parties, you're beginning to look like me last year, starved for attention. Just calm down, accept the criticism, ask for advice, and move on. It doesn't take a "master troll" to recognize when someone is acting foul.

EDIT: While we're on the subject, getting accepted to Indiegogo or Kickstarter is not complicated or particularly difficult. I don't know why you keep saying it is. As long as it's not illegal or overly self-serving content, it's fine.

That is most likely true.   But now that price is submitted I don't know if I can change!

"Funding goal can not be changed after you launch your project."

and honestly I don't want to change my funding goal..  because just as you stated  

"90% of people starting out with web businesses vastly overestimate their needs."

it's also true

"90% of people starting out with web businesses vastly underestimate their funding needs.

It has to stand as is,  and if it's not funded it's not funded... if it what it is.


are you done Matt?  Seriously?  For 3 years now you constantly have been bitching at me for everything I do, starting with founding flexcoin then wondering why I called myself the founder for some reason I seem to be the center of your attention on this forum?   Now I setup a bitcoin app that get's approved on kickstarter and you belittle everything... seriously..  I really had it with you.

the total project cost is about 35 bitcoins  (roughly depending on the price)

It's not a years salary, it's roughly the cost of a decade old used car.

Did you even read my novel? There were some really good points in there. I feel they might have fallen on deaf ears though.

Criticism, skepticism and professionalism are not the same thing as trolling. Begging the community to fund your project that no one thinks is worth it is the free market. You not agreeing with it and calling everyone names (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167436.msg1744503#msg1744503) when they don't pay you what you claim they should even if they don't like it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167436.msg1744057#msg1744057) is sure to catch people's eye in a negative light. Why are you surprised it has received the result it has with the presentation that is being given?

And the demand for their product/service.  And their competence.

I have no problem with the OP saying "help me out if you like the idea".  It's the "help me out even if you don't like the idea" and the "I'm doing the community a favour" statements which are raising people's hackles.

"Fund my app" is the 21st century's "fund my videogame" equivalent.  The vast majority of apps will never make a return on the initial investment.  Both development and funding should probably be done more as a labour of love than anything else.

There is no project.. You just want everyone to pay your server space so you make more money... In the end your site gives zero value to the community popular yes, a nice place to check prices, yes.. Cost to the community so you can make more profit.. no

What you should have done was started a business, and sold shares, and give dividends.


You need to look into fixing your google ads..

First.. Their positions suck ass.
Second you can put 3 on your page.
Third you have one that scrolls, which is a waste.
Fourth you should be getting at least 1%-3% click rate
At 70k hits a day you should be looking at 140+ a day in adsense revenue minimum.


Sell me your site, with a contract you wont re-create, and I'll give you cash + 25% commission for life.

I'm in OP! Go for it! I should bring back my iOS program for monitoring Bitcoin addresses. With the btc price increases, I can afford it now.

While I am happy that theres a kickstarter project around bitcoin.  This isn't one I'll be paying into.

Plenty of people would make an app like this for free in their spare time, not sure why a project like this needs to get kickstarted. I agree with others that this seems more like someone trying to make money off the BTC hype than anything unique or cool.

Although I wont be donating money for this project I wish this guy the best of luck and hope he achieves his funding goals.

I am going to sleep on it tonight... and most likely in the morning withdraw my Kickstarter Project.

Clearly my project was shitty,  I thought I was trying to do the right thing, I believed was trying to further the bitcoin community as a whole..  It was my opinon that by doing this it would open a whole new set of funding ...  people would put up projects that would yank control from Visa or Mastercard,  or throw Paypal and Square under the rug using Bitcoin.   That 3 million dollar project would have been funded easy because there was a long list of bitcoin successful projects prior to that... at least that was my vision.

thanks for all the feedback.... and I do mean it... if i ever try to do a kickstarter again,  I'll try to get some opinions prior to launching it.

You should sell it to farlack

Your website itself isn't shitty, if you're getting 70k hits daily your site is a gold mine.

Asking for 5700 so you don't have to pay for hosting yourself is a shitty idea.
Asking for $5600 for 12 months of hosting is terrible donation when you can get 56 months for what you need.

A project is needing the funding for the next handheld bitcoin trading platform, or debit card. A project isn't getting money so you don't pay anything but make all the money.

Like I said before, your adsense should be at least 1-4% clicks.. You need to fix positions of your ads, have 3 on there. There are DOZENS AND DOZENS of things you can do to make more profit with your site and not need funding.


For $5700 you might as well pay for business class internet 300mbs and buy your own server and run it from your house and have blazing fast internet for yourself.

Like I said, I'll buy it with 25% commission for life.

I'm inclined to agree.

That number wildly varies between 20,000 and 70,000 ...   like when mtgox was down everyone showed up at http://www.ounce.me because the system dollar averaged from the other exchanges .. so people were still able to get some sort of reasonably accurate quote.

Today it was closer to 20,000 ...  


Thursday   20,399    
Wednesday 78,662
Tuesday    31,013
Monday    65,057    
Sunday     22,587

I'm not sure about the price of a fiber optic leased line in the US but here in the UK he would have to pay at least £500/month for a 100mb up and down connection.

Interesting thread.  How quickly someone went from being really excited, to wanting to pull his project.

I do tend to agree that this isn't anything too innovative and it's not something I personally would pay for. 

Live your dreams though if this is something you want to do and you feel this is a way to cover costs, go for it.

On a side note, lets not try to hype this up as some innovative new thing. There have been projects that revolve around bitcoin before on kickstarter, this isn't a first and to be honest (not trying to be mean) it's just a simple app.  I wouldnt say this paving the way for the future of bitcoin or anything like that.  It's simple web app that people may enjoy, nothing more and nothing less.

Best of luck to you, don't let peoples negative thoughts impact you so much though. Dream big and do what you want, regarldess of what others say.  Guys like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc etc would never of had success if they had listened to all the negative voices who told them their projects were stupid.

300Up 65Down for $250 at Verizon:
The benefit of doing this would be you get free fast as hell internet that's a tax writeoff in full. That's "If" you need that.. His site has 1 thing on it, doubtful you need 300up or 65down anyway.

It might be good to withdraw for now, bud.  Read up a bit more on objective-C and see if that can cut down the cost of making the app, yeah?

He doesn't need funds to make an app, he needs funds to host it for a year on everyone elses dime.

Your website once.me takes ~22kb per page , 70000*0.022mb = 1.54gb per day or 46gb a month

~95% of the information on your site I don't care about,,, no, I'm not actually flowing platinum price.
Pizza index,,, oh so funny, I guess some people will get the reference.

I would like to point out that I pay 10$ for a VPS solely for the purpose of seeding the blochain, it's consuming ~500gb in upload per month, unfortunately that's only half of my allocated traffic.

Why does this thread need 4 page ? isn't that enough said that there is already about 3000 places that offer btc price quotes for free ?

What exactly is the app? Is it running processes for everyone who visits the page or just static values displayed to everyone and only pulled once to update them? If it's the latter and you won't be running up processes/cpu like a lunatic I will the host damn thing for you. If nothing else I'll give you a cpanel to put it on and we can see how it performs/how much usage you actually have.

This is laughable

Don't listen to people in this thread. When Casascius released his first version of his coins, he had a typo, and people who contribute nothing to the advancement of Bitcoin were really harsh. Screw the freeloaders. Give it a go.  See what happens.

I appreciate it but just reading through this thread again is less then helpful.  leave it there and if it ends in a month with a total of $10 contributed to it like where is right now then it went down in bitter failure

I think you should withdraw, if not now then maybe in a couple of days if it's not getting any additional backers. Having a project like this listed with $10 will not help Bitcoin or Kickstarter or you.

Again, I'm not trying to discourage you in any way, but you should get back to the drawing board and see if you could get it done without Kickstarter backing - as we've mentioned here it can probably be done for a lot less than what you're asking for, maybe you can pay for it yourself and you should be profitable in a few months. You will also learn a lot about iOS development in the process that will help you in the future, I'm sure you will find the information that you need online or from books for cheap if not for free.

If you want to get back on Kickstarter for a future project, you need to think about your goals more clearly. Especially the price needs to be the lowest price possible (remember that it can go well over that if people like it) and you need to explain where you're going to spend that money and why it is absolutely necessary. You can't just throw a random sum out there and see if people are willing to give you that (they aren't).

Good luck with this and your future projects.

If it were not an Apple thingy, then I would invest.  Sorry, but I can't stand Apple.  Good luck on your project.

This thread makes a perfect occasion to re-read "Digital Maoism".
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lanier06/lanier06_index.html

"Sent from my iPhone"

Anybody posting innovated ideas on this forum needs a thick skin. There are large numbers of ideas here, most of which are crazy, stupid, fraudulent, unworkable, etc. Consequently there are people who go around calling nearly everything crazy/stupid/fraudulent/unworkable and they feel pretty good about themselves because they are right most of the time.

I've been through the cycle several times now, and I've learned to just read through the comments looking for anything which gives ME doubt about my idea. Then, if I'm still happy with my idea, I just thank people profusely for their intelligent comments (whether or not they were intelligent) and announce that I haven't seen anything to convince me my idea won't work, and that I am proceeding. That usually quiets the criticism. You might post your response to a couple valid criticisms that other people might be wondering about, but don't get into arguments which distract you and the community from your goal.

Thanks for doing this, whether or not you succeed.

+1. Yep. Ignore the haters or people who think its expensive. $6k is not that much and you'll probably spend over 100 hours on this (and I'm not even including server costs/setup). All software project planning is guessing and kind of worthless, no matter how simple the app seems from the start; there are hidden costs and time sinks you will never know about beforehand (like this thread of holier than thous). You should get a decent pay out of this especially for the time and risk exposure. Everybody's a naysayer and wishes they could do it too. Let them. Talk is cheap, and so are cheap services and people who can say "I can do it cheaper." Just forge ahead despite the criticism.

I'm a professional iOS developer, and the app you're trying to make would take me about a week.  It's incredibly simple and ~$5,500 is an insane amount of money to develop it.  In fact, depending on how bored I am this weekend, I may just make it myself for free, just for fun. 

Also, take a look at www.ovh.ie for servers. You can get a dedicated quad core server with 2x2TB sata drives, 16GB of ram, 100 Megabit unlimited bandwidth, for about $65 a month.  I have one there with an uptime of 168 days right now.  $500 a month is insane, even for 70k pageviews a day.

You most likely are right,  but it is sitting at 10 dollars.  (even in this thread) if everyone that supported it pledged 5 bucks (they would not even have to pay 5 dollars if it didn't reach the goal)  it would be roughly 4% there...

2 people did.. and I do thank you for pledging 5 bucks each for that.

---  EDIT ----

Who ever just contributed big like that THANK YOU!!!

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I agree with the haters gonna hate comment. I disagree about the second part - investors aren't supposed to pay him salary so that he can work on his own project during his free time, especially when investors aren't getting back anything other than thank you's. He will have his salary paid once the project is finished (if it's any good). Of course it would be a bit different if the project would require many months of full-time commitment.

Another way to look at it is that an investor could pay him monthly salary + expenses, but then the end results (and profits generated) would belong to the investor.

Have you thought about making bitcoin tshirt's?It could be a good way of getting extra investors and you can easily make like $5 or more per tshirt.

Couple of things:
1) Why are you trying to get support in US dollars instead of bitcoins?  Seems like if you're asking the community to support you, it makes sense to ask them for the assets they have rather than to cash out US dollars in order to pay higher fees to support you
2) What are you doing to promote your campaign outside of the community?   If you've chosen Kickstarter over the other options, it's because you want to appeal to a more mainstream crowd, so what have you done?
3) Your campaign page is not really up to standards - You *NEED* a video, it's not negotiable.  Most people who fund projects on kickstarter watch the video first, and only if the pitch and passion gets their attention do they read the content.  You have no pitch, just a picture of numbers - not very compelling to someone who does not have the context to understand it

4) Your reward tiers are really out of whack, you're not offering anything besides a thank-you even at 100 dollars, and then you jump straight to 1000 for adding a new metric, which although a fine goal, leaves a major gap in your incentive structure where you're not really getting anything until you spend 1000, and then you're getting something major that you might not care about.

There's more, but you get the idea - If you'd like help re-thinking your kickstarter, it's a passion topic for me (helping people make campaigns that could actually work) so feel free to hit me up at adam@mindtomatter.org

Best of luck any way it goes, your project is not exciting but it is important.

Hey...great idea!!

I wonder if Kickstarter will accept that as a project  :o

Bitcoinstarter.com is actually a thing lol

I think this is a really interesting idea and I actually started writing a bitcoin app for iOS until I got too busy. Basically I was porting the reference bitcoin app to Objective-C.

Here are my thoughts:

- I've downloaded pretty much ever bitcoin app on the iphone. They all do pretty much the same thing. They are mostly bitcoin tickers, some of which will should other kinds of useful charts. Not really very useful.

- What would really be interesting would be a bitcoin wallet. A way to store bitcoins on your phone and send and receive them and keep a simple address book. You'd have to implement a bit of the bitcoin protocol and keep a minimal part of the block chain on the phone. Perhaps just the blocks that are relevant to the coins you are sending or receiving. Eventually add in a QR code writer and reader so you can share your bitcoin address with other people easily.

The big problem with this is there is a good chance that Apple will not allow it. Read about the problems that Blockchain had with their "wallet" app. I think they were approved, then declined, then approved a small subset of their original app. Apple might be more open to bitcoin apps now.

I'm not sure it's really worth investing any money or time in a bitcoin app for iphone until apple shows that they are willing to allow the interesting ones.

Blockchain app works just fine, I accept payments with it regularly.

I have sent founder a PM asking for information so I can give him an account. Based on the math done earlier I would have no problem hosting this thing indefinitely and probably completely free. I have hosting just sitting around doing nothing.

Good on ya

Well, not to be a dick, but I literally just created this app and submitted it to the app store.  I'm waiting on approval right now.  It took me all of 4 hours.  If people actually use it, I'll add features like historical graphs.  Here's a screenshot:

http://www.chrisvc.com/BSSS.png


What did you want the ~$5,500 for again?  Maybe the person who donated $100 to your kickstarter can send the money to me.  I do usually get paid $25 an hour so 4 hours work would be exactly $100.  Donation address: 12K4k51XmDJCw1797tRm2uQPc6ZpJmyZz5

I'm almost *positive* that's being a dick

But I like your hustle, may the best man win.

Yeah I'm not gonna lie, whenever I say "I'm not trying to be a dick" I'm definitely about to be a dick. Haha

You should start a new thread about your app ...
also the ability to switch between fiat & BTC prices for PM would be interesting.
i.e. Gold (oz) 11.2112 BTC

maybe an option to show it is mBTC instead:
Gold (oz) 11,2112 mBTC

Also I would love to see an app which shows the reverse mBTC price.
$1 = 7.353 mBTC

I think http://preev.com does that. Just enter the price in either box. (Unless you meant actually labeling it as "mBTC", which I don't think it does.)

Ohh I like those features, I'll add that now.  I'm gonna wait to create a new thread until the app is approved by Apple, that way people can immediately download it when they hear about it.

Also anyone who has an iOS device and wants to beta test, please PM me or email me at glitch0@gmail.com and we can get the app onto your device.  Thanks!

Edit: I added the feature to view everything in BTC and resubmitted to Apple.  It usually takes them about a week to approve apps, so if you want the app now, contact me for a beta version.

Looking for projects?  I'm always looking for collaborators

I also don't understand why a simple app to display pricing would cost $5k. Watch  these videos (https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/coding-together-developing/id593208016?l=en) in your spare time and slap one together, or just bookmark the normal bitcoin market data sites and check them on your phone whenever you want.

I'd donate to a phone that doubles as a tazer though (: or a hardware wallet I can hook up to a network that won't get stolen

Thats kinda the thing about crowdfunding - the idea has to be compelling to the people you're talking to.  Seems like the OP made an app he thought would be useful for apple product users (which does not generally describe bitcoin early adopters), but then only marketed his project to the hardcore community like the forums explaining that they "should" back him because it would make it easier for other projects to come after.

Not selling the project on its merits, but its status as "first", that was the fatal flaw.   Then he didn't get the response he expected so got discouraged and started visibly moping because people weren't giving him money. 

If you want to build something real, you need to start with a concept that will sell and then throw EVERYTHING YOU ARE into it, you need to become the project, it's chief evangelist and head spokesman.  Talk to everybody about it, explain to them why it's valuable to their life and how come they can't live without it.

Then they give you their money. 

Seriously, if anyone here is thinking about going to kickstarter or another crowdfunding platform and would like a marketers perspective PLEASE contact me, I am very tired of seeing projects blow up because the creators made poor assumptions based on their own perspective instead of their would-be customers.  adam@mindtomatter.org

^^this^^

Going to be interesting to see how this plays out .... for exampe:
Goal to reach $100,000 .

Regular fiat at Indiegogo ?
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bailout 2 (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bailout-2?show_todos=true)
2 backers - $150 so far.

or

Bitcoins at BitcoinStarter ?
https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/24 (https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/24)
2 backers - $223 so far.

Who is going to win first?

To be honest, I have real issues with preordering *any* product with money denominated in bitcoin.  I'm one of a whole lot of people who were more than a little screwed out of huge gains by BFL accepting pre-orders, saying they'd deliver in 3 months, and still not having delivered.  If I hadn't pre-ordered a jalepeno in August for 24btc, I could now purchase two or three of their 60GH/s units with the same amount of coins.  When I tried to get my coins back after they were more than three months past their shipping deadline, they gave me about half back - current market rate. 

Lucky I did though, because since they still haven't delivered now 4 months later the 11 coins I got back from them for my Jalepeno could buy me 1 of their 60ghz units again.

Moral of the story (for me at least) :  NEVER PREORDER ANYTHING WITH BITCOIN.  Buying this is fine.  Pre-ordering is f'ing retarded, especially when you don't actually know how long it'll take them to deliver.

I'm happy you did that!!!!

 as I noted earlier I am not sure how to code for iOS it's also strongly mentioned on the kickstarter page....   and honestly I don't think you're being a dick. Well since I am not getting funded most likely,   I'll send you the ~100 bucks for the app!

Just please make sure it's using the RSS feeds from ounce.me ,   the 4 hour skin you made is awesome.. but those feeds tweeked right took longer than they appear..   like the weighted average and stuff was more difficult than I was hoping for  (it takes the average volume every 24 hours and readjusts the weight from each exchange),  it's very helpful when mt.gox get's DDS'ed every two weeks.   It must include failovers if there is excessive lag for example.

Also,  if you can add that price ticker that would be awesome .This needs to be editable via a secure https control panel

The control panel needs to have autentication (username , password)  also has to have the ability to add and remove users.  

It would be also awesome if you can add the secondary ticker for the news as well.  This needs to be editable via a secure https control panel.  I need to be able to choose additional news sources as well remove news sources.   I don't want to be including a specific bitcoin blog for example and the owner stops updating it or decides to start blogging about his cat.

I'll also need a panel in the back end for reporting,  so I can track rough number of views so I can adjust infrastructure to match.  It would need to include both unique and pageviews and any relevant information so I can keep the infrastructure to match.

While you are at it,  it can't have a manual slide to refresh like that.  When I did that prior it was literally getting autorobot hit every second.   So instead of 70,000 page views.. it was getting 700,000 page views... all bots.   That's not helpful for anyone.   You'll need to build a auto refresh type system in there so that every minute or two it refreshes for them.   Otherwise you'll both charge the end users too much bandwidth they don't need.. and you'll overtax the system internally.

I will also need a way to add differing types of messages up there.   Like where it scrolls across the top for the ticker and the news,   I would like to be able to put an emergency message there if something is happening.  that way I can notify the people in the real time of whatever is needed.

I'll also need some sort of control panel in the back end so I can add and remove advertisements.  This needs to be the same via a secure control panel.

I will need a way to be able to remove and add metrics .  This needs to be the same via a secure control panel.

I can't say this enough the control panel needs to be secured,   my biggest fear is someone throwing up bogus pricing and causing problems.

I actually have about a 6 page spec sheet for this,   I can mail it to you if you want... where do you want the $100 dollars sent to finish that job as specified both above (and in the 6 page spec sheet).

I am so happy you did this,  for $100 dollars.    That's amazing.  Just tell me where to send it...  

If it's over scope of what you did or will do for the 100 bucks as you quoted as the price,  then in all seriousness I am extremely happy you did it,  just make sure to cite ounce.me for the feeds.