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Need I say more?

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2013 and 2014 are long gone. Usually (as VIA dev Romano implied: https://twitter.com/RNR_0/status/811619132730970112) some alts were going up along with Bitcoin, but now situation is a bit different. Some alts suffered from the recent Bitcoin uptrend (which most likely is over: https://twitter.com/bulgar1an/status/811609603595079680) and some ETH whale/s decided to provide buy support for Ethereum. This can't be pulled out by the average Joe and looks like this buy wall was 945 BTC (https://twitter.com/alistairmilne/status/811572744018137088), which is $779,625 at current BTC price (~$825). That is why I will never ever like Ethereum or ZCash for that matter. These guys are Bitcoin's ecosystem 1% richest.

We need to work more in order to regain the trust in altcoins and I believe that the market should be free of these speculators (i.e. to be with genuine interest).   

Yes you need to say more as you are well known as an ETH hating shitpost troll with nothing to say. 

I renamed you to Minlesscache for a reason.

The silliest post of the year... from someone who usually does better.

If you are a BTC whale and think the BTC rally is topping out...
What on earth is there to buy other than something like ETH where there is blood in the streets.

Snowflake hobo-cut is the most obvious boring ETH hating shitposter. Best ignored by all.

Bitcoin is unquestionable here (if we put 'trading strategies' aside). It had a fair launch and all people on Earth had the chance to 'get on the boat'. I get your point, but you're not getting mine. Things like this did not happened before.

How do you propose we do that? I thought the whole point of a free market was so there wasn't this type of intervention. We can't have our cake and eat it too.

You can't save people from themselves. A truly free market will devour the weak and empower the strong. It's what we asked for in this little experiment. It'd majorly lose it's appeal to me if it was regulated out the ass lol.

You really are full of shit. No wonder your barber ends up giving you a crap cut. He's so bored with your bullshit he wants you out his chair asap.

that's how manipulation works...
this order will never be filled.

it's probably being "held" by a bot, and it will be removed if someone tries to execute.

I need a valid evidence for this, or you can try to execute it and tell me about the result.  :D
try a real act.
I have misguided about it.  8) :P

Putting up buy/sell walls may be marginally effective (and perfectly ethical, I've hit those walls countless times)...
But real manipulation involves buying your own sell orders to drive up or support the price (at close to zero risk)...
A privilege I'm sure Polo extends to their special friends after they "disable" the wallet.

Polo doesn't even go through the motions of pretending they are legit any more (they just openly cheat)...
The net effect of is to delegitimize the alt markets and turn them into a casino (the end game, of course, is Cryptsy).

majority exchange manipulation whales
not only poloniex, but all exchanger is playing manipulation wall in market
because not manipulation , can stangnant price if stagnant price is very bad volume transaction

you are 100% right! i keep say its come from eth team!
they make milions before they did DAO hach then have a lot of money for walls! fuckers!

Sure but "Free Market" translates into Scam Market.
Where no matter how corrupt a thief you are ..you get away with it.
There is no parallel.

I did not sign on for a Scam fest where people are free to be scammy.
We started doing this by key points pretending to exercise morality.
Such as Cryptsy and all their long winded speeches about Morality and security etc.
Which in the end meant.. another thief. (like GOX)

ETH is historically scammy from top to bottom.
Nothing like this had been pulled scam wise.

By the way i never ever chanted "Free Market" the scam defenders did all along.
I wonder why..

Monumentally stupid OP post that says absolutely nothing about Ethereum.

nice catch and posting here. good job,
but it really doesn't matter how many times you say it, again people are going to start falling for all the bullshit in a short while and buy into the whales sell orders and get dumped on.

and when they decide to pump ethereum again they wait for bitcoin rise to stop like every other time so far then they are going to pay someone else like Gavin Andereson like last time to start talking crap about bitcoin and praise ethereum,.... and you know the rest.

Nobody is falling for anything.

The reality is the majority knows better.. they know exactly what they are doing.
This topic will just end up being an advertisement for them to pile in..
more so than all the pitiful stupid shill rhetoric we hear regularly.
Which to the greedy profiteers means NOTHING.
Money talks and bullshit walks.

But do take note people.. we seen a picture of a buy order, THAT'S IT !
I see no picture of the buy order completing.
I also have seen plenty of manipulation in the past where whales will simply move the buy order or cancel it over and over so it does not get filled in full.

Let that greed be your driving force.. but do exercise caution.

The more money you have the more you own this game and make all the rules.

Best way i can get that $10 out of your hand is to put a dollar in it.. get it ?

945 BTC were put as a buy order and about 300 of them got eaten.


Busting scams earlier is a good start.


I mean market, which is not speculated like that. This buy order was just an example. We all know that many coins are pumped and dumped on Polo. Some others are abandoned, pumped and you have Jesus coming and saying: I'm gonna take over the coin and make it better than Bitcoin. Guess what his incentives are...

Looks like you're not reading. The initial buy order was for 945 BTC! Take a better look at the screenshot.

If enough gets bought up i am not looking forward to the hype shill spamming to come.
And yeah i see now what you mean Spartak.. my bad ;)

Question is.. is this the same whale that was responsible fro the JAN 2016 bullshit pumping crap ?

There are a lot of whales, which are supporting ETH, so its hard to tell. But this was without a doubt a solid proof that Ethereum's market is being manipulated. 

Well if i saw the order sell on the picture, i think ETH is be manipulated by the bagholders of ETH.
And my reasons they did it because of the developers of ETH will make other innovation on 2017,
And The investors think ETH price will going up again. So they Start buy large of ETH.

This was a buy wall...

Yes, i think the aim of buy wall is for keeps ETH price is not more going down.
And i think ETH be manipulated by bagholders with much money.

I won't say they're bagholders since they probably bought ETH when it was less than $1. Some people already made millions of $ profits.

In order to say such a thing perhaps you should clearly define what a whale is.

Otherwise someone with 1 btc, 10 btc, or 100 btc could be a whale.

It's all in your perspective.

Markets gonna market, speculators gonna speculate, manipulators gonna manipulate.

Every alts and bitcoin are manipulated by whales, so your point is right, but only whales can pump a coin, they make money, so it is normal.

Well, it was a single buy order and I estimated it at around $780k, so I think it's safe to say that the buyer is probably a millionaire. I think this qualifies him as a whale (at least in my vision). :)

Well i don't know about that, are they bagholders or not because usually the ETH lovers, they always doing pumping.
I must beware with this condition, when trade ETH to BTC.
Thanks for your opinions.

i'm trying to understand this.

So it's a whale that puts up a massive buy order of ETH.
And the price he's buying at is .00945  btc?

This was yesterday and i saw ETH raise, so is this someone trying to get the price of ETH up by basically putting a huge buy order and paying higher than the market price?

Lol, funny. And now that there's a clear sign that eth price is suppressed by whales, not allowing it to organically grow so that they can accumulate more ETH while it is still cheap, you dont have anything to say about that ? There was a 3k eth sell wall on poloniex, clearly intended to either shake weak hands or to suppress the price so they can acumulate more. No way anyone that wants to dump, dumps all at once.

You have been saying this from eth @ $19.  This fairy dust coin will die because, simply put, no one needs it...

"Perhaps" smart ass you should quit playing dumb about buy-walls and educate the noobs here on the dangers of them as a responsible and mature crypto user with integrity ?

Where is the proof of this price suppression? I might not see the whole picture, but why whales would want to keep the price low - when they are ALREADY owning shitload of ETH?
Higher price will mainly benefit whales after all! I feel like this is more like a conspiracy theory trying to explain why ETH price is stuck.

They aren't really keeping the price low. It just require a lot of time for the market to absorb an high quantity when they want to sell. You can't yolo dump with one click if you expect to sell an high quantity.

It was on poloniex for a few days, 2.5k btc sell wall or around that amount, didn't follow it 24/7 to tell it more acurate and didn't screen it either because i don't care. Now it was removed.
It's simple, if you want to sell, you sell smaller pieces to avoid price dropping / tanking. Showing off your cards like that means you don't really want to sell, otherwise you'd do it slowly and quietly without causing a price drop, and get more profit. Simple. ETH price now is low mostly because in the short term, up to 1 month, there won't be big news untill they anounce metropolis, and the BTC pump. The price will easily double with metropolis, but on the other hand currently there's FOMO in btc world.

Can't believe i am agreeing with mining1  :o
(about the small amounts)
Which just shows manipulation..
Someone is not going to do that to show off..
They are doing it for a reason.
Walls are put up to control the price.

For example a dev of a coin was blatant about it and kept saying he was doing it on Cryptsy chat a couple yrs ago.
So no you can't sit there and bullshit about it.
The dev's admit it.

The dev's have in fact admitted to precisely what Spartak was pointing out.
Dev's said they did it for that exact same reason too.

You guys have no room to argue.
And if i have to i will name the dev and have him come and tell you himself LOL

And i was right. The wall was removed. Also a big portion of the wall was eaten. And as i was right, the point was to suppress the price, because nobovy really wants to buy into a sell wall, because if for any reason the wall is real, the price cannot increase but decrease. And in a day the price increased by 1$.

Gud analysis. Gud times to buy more ETH.

Yeah duh of course walls get pulled..
That does not negate the intention or the conclusion.
Nor does that justify buying "Cheap ETH coins"

It is in fact proof of manipulation.

And guess what fucktards ?
I have been telling you they were doing this with walls since day one.
What you think this is new ?

What is new is the guy Spartak caught them doing it screen capped it then posted a picture.

ETH = Whale Manipulator PONZI ICO SCAM GIMMICK THINGYMABOBBER APP'S DEALY WHATCHYAMACALLIT

..for profits

and at the moment 0.0065. more than 1000btc. this is almost 1 million $ sitting on polo just for ETH.

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who tell hell is committing that amount of money to poloniex.

thats why i am asking myself: are these BTC real or just placed from poloniex itself?

I have try several times to analysis bitcoin/ethereum but it seen that its has defile technical analysis underlined trending laws. It's seen ethereum has been over stretched to the point were only fundamental issues can pull it upwards.

poloniex itself has a hand in this, and i always suspected them for most of the manipulations and specially manipulating ETC to prevent it from going up.

anyways i was sure ETH is a manipulated coin from the beginning and i became 100% sure when it was hacked and price could even go down properly!

since I am ignored in troolbox and i di dnto monitor ETH much last few days.

What happened with that huge ETH sell wall that was placed fro few days. Was it bought or moved or, ...?

Which coin is not manipulated , you douchebag newb?

Do you think BTC is going much further then 1K 2016?!

& Talk about manipulation ; Poloniex takes the crown?!

Who are you talking to? Me?

All altcoins are being manipulated. If there is no manipulation, price will not rise or drop this quickly. You can also say any trading market are manipulated but it should not stop you from trading the market.

I see. And can you name just one other digital currency who had $1M buy wall?

It appears many of you fail to grasp my point here. Ethereum was (and still is) heavily supported with buy walls, which doesn't allow it to fell much in price. Maybe it is a supporting strategy, which goal is to keep the price relatively stable, until ETH start working without flaws. This doesn't make it right though.

BIG difference is shills like Minecache loitering around here spamming for a whole year+
Saying Microsoft and IBM are "using" ETH.. then saying "Big Banks are buying shitloads of ETH"
Then after the DAO attack saying ETH with be $100 a coin in 12 months.

Get it ?

It's about people paid to come here and lie to you ..the greedy.
It's about an army of fucking frauds loitering around the crypto scene bullshitting.
Check out the keywords ETH + IBM + Microsoft on www.polonibox.com for 1,000 examples.

And why ? Simple.

To masquerade a massive facade.. which is ?
A "money making opportunity" presented to the greedy leeches here in Crypto.
Who are in search of nothing but cash profits (not being a project supporter)

It's fraud and it's deception.. designed so Butters can dump on you again (he already admitted to it before)

Which coin is not manipulated ?

NONE.

No other coin in history was manipulated like this ever.
See page 1 on the scam topic i created in 2014 to see why.
Ya the one i made 2 years before you got here profiteer shit-stains.  :D

ETH was bank rolled on launch and in cahoots with Coindesk and others.
This was exposed on day one and scared off users for 2 years until..
The massive gigantic super pump and ultra hype campaign was unleashed rocking the crypto world in early 2016..
Where mysterious rich figures showed up to buy it up to $20+ a coin.
To this day no one ever did own up to doing it  ..so we have to assume it was the ETH guys & Friends.
After all they WERE the ones buying the 100 BTC blocks non stop on launch.
Put 2 & 2 together..

Don't forget the great pump way back guys..
That happened because it was PUMPED by a whale.
Not because users randomly out of the blue decided for no apparent reason to collectively pour money on ETH.
Nope..
The users followed the whale pumping.. not the other way around.

AKA: Manipulation.

Why ? How well adopted and used is it on JAN 1st 2017 ? ..it's been years guys  ::)

why do you need trollbox for knowing what happened?!!
just open poloniex and check the charts and the orderbook and you see what is going on with that manipulated coin.
that wall was somewhat bought, and also moved further down and then again up and right now they have been pumping the coin hard.


lets come back to this in 6 months.

Lol, you guys are stupid. Ofcourse every crypto is being manipulated, since not a single one of them reached mainstream adoption. Ethereum has bigger buy / sell walls than other cryptos because it has much bigger volume. You dumbasses expect coins with 100k-1mil daily average volume to have high buy or sell walls ? And in the past few weeks ethereum price was mostly suppressed, i dont believe there ever was a 2.5million $ sell wall. Now, the more time will pass, the more buy walls you will see, because the more BTC price will rise, the LESS people WILL further bet on it, and instead diversify their funds into other projects, based on their potential. And first in line is ethereum, then the others.

@mining1
The picture Spartak posted contradicts what you are saying.

And you and your Mining-Buddy "Fraudcache" have no credibility around here.
You are both horrendous shills lying your ass off here all the time defending ETH.
No one would believe your excuses..

If i ran a poll asking people if they believed you id' go far more no than yes guaranteed.
I ran a poll before asking if people believed in ETH.. they all said NO.
I ran a poll here asking if people thought minecache was a fraud and they all said YES.

I mean go hard if you think it''s working.  :D

Well thats a pretty bad buy order when you compare that price to where ETH is at today.

why bad? i'd say it is pretty good since that buy order with many others like it are the reason for this recent price rise.

and who do you think is dumping now? that is right those whales with those buy orders who bought cheap coins is now dumping on those who join in the rise after the pump.

Buying 0.00945 BTC = $8.89291 USD
http://bitcoinexchangerate.org/c/USD/0.00945
636.49269693 BTC = $599,009.64199 USD

Good luck with that dumb fuck (Who ever you are)  :D

PS:
It was about $7.20 and only just now hovering at around $8
Dumb ass LOL


YOU ..when you break even and get your "ROI"


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Yes. ETHUSD is ok, but ETHBTC is not.

Love to read it guys ! Eth is good project but over priced! One day when big fish will go out sith thst buy all price will come where its need to be 2-3$!

And apparently i was right, eth price was indeed supressed. The sentiment was positive for months and the price was decreasing under the pressure of huge sell walls ( 2-3k btc only on polo alone ) and the fact that it was also being oversold by day traders ( speculators ) since they knew the biggest pump would be weeks to months away ( metropolis update ).
But ofcourse, Dollface only posts what's convenient to her, that 600btc buy wall. She didn't bother to take a pic of the 3k BTC sell wall. Oh dollface, we are so impartial ! Oh Oh Oh !
Post your hate topics and show it to your lame community of haters and followers ( if anyone actually cares about his little worthless project ), i have no doubt people like yourself will support you.

You're talking with your ass... again. Here's what my (indeed little) project doing on Facebook:

https://i.imgur.com/u618xQI.png

Good for you, rallying idiots ain't hard if you're a dishonest person with low self esteem. And yet you try hard to look impartial and fair, but you're not. That's the reason all your topics and posts are either trying to subtle questioning legitimate projects and FUD. And that's why you only post the half empty part of the glass. Because it works with rallying idiots to your project and be able to live out of it. Admit it. I don't judge you, but try to be honest for once.

So, how about you post a pic with the 3k btc wall on polo that suppressed the price, which invalidates your first post in this topic ? Please, don't tell me you haven't seen it, what you do, you do for a living so it's impossible you didnt knew about it. Yet you posted the 600BTC buy wall like 1 day after the 3k wall was taken down.
So, thanks for showing us who you really are.

Arguing with hypocrites like you won't prove my honesty.


This again proves you're talking with your ass. The buy wall was for 945 BTC, not 600 and I saw it in a tweet. I then looked at the market and saw it myself. Bye!

Ah so the all knowing fair, honest, impartial person make accusations based on random tweets without checking ? LOL. Go fuck yourself, who do you think you're fooling ?

Just see how stupid this guy is...

Okay, your arguments are so bad. The dog ate your homework. But i give you that, rallying so many idiots to your little project is not a small deal, even tho you're wrong about everything. But that's what makes you a good politician ( ever thought about it ? ). So, feel free not to respond to this post, i won't post anymore in this thread.

That's what proves my point about adoption, but you're too stupid to grasp it.

https://i.imgur.com/Orvz7n5.png

There's nothing wrong to attack my comments and everything, but when you're talking about other's people work and call it with names, then I think this becomes too personal. You're a what people call mice. Hiding behind your keyboard and bashing everything which is not ETH. If you hate me (or whatever) this much, and you're a man, we can continue this discussion via PMs (or you choose the method) where (if its possible) we can arrange a meeting.

Coming from a guy who has made it his life's mission to defend Ethereum here by mocking Spartak about his haircut choices ?

mmmm hmmmm  :D

It's interesting how many times people mocked me about FAIL (because of my signature or whatever) and now this ETH shill changed the song. It was titled "Your tiny little worthless project" and now (when I gave him the screenshot) song is "Oh, you're lying way too many people". I'm not perfect and everything, but I DIDN'T LIED ANYONE HERE! A piece of shit "human being" you are! That's why these bastards will always lose when it comes to arguments. Because they are mouses hiding behind their keyboards while I'm open and I don't care!