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Hi guys!

We are a team of enthusiasts of crowfunding.

We believe that funding free from legacy institutions can bring a life to completely new products and services that will change the world to be a better place!
But a lot of scam and low quality projects will waste the resources and discredit the ideas.

So we're conducting a research on how a typical crypto-asset investor usually find, analyze and use information on ICOs during all of its steps (pre-ICO, ICO, post-ICO stages). We're planning to revise our current development plan to reorder features releases. The most wanted functions and services will be released ASAP in our service to help investors rate ICOs efficiently.

All tasks could be grouped into some categories:
1. information retrieval (monitoring and participating: slack, tweets, forums, news sites, github activity, blockchain data collection etc)
2. information processing and analysis (automated text analysis, data mining etc)
3. reporting and alerting
4. portfolio management
5. social interactions and knowledge sharing

A lot of these tasks are done nowadays manually or with inefficient tools.

Some of topics to discuss:
1) what is the most painful or time-consuming tasks when analyzing an ICO?
2) what should be done by a human and what could be automated?
3) how to encourage experts to share knowledge or results of analysis?
4) how to divide an ICO analysis work among experts to speed up analysis of one ICO?
5) how to prevent a scam or conflict of interests from an expert?
6) should an expert earn by sharing its profitable portfolio with [paid] followers?
and any other related topics.

If we find a strong demand we will start an ICO to be funded by early adopters which will receive service access tokens (probably a Waves Platform will be used to issue tokens).

We are welcome you to discuss what your need when dealing with ICOs!

Hello, zidorov!

How are you planning to help investors exactly?

You mentioned the tasks you're trying to solve, but no particular instruments.
What kind of service are we talking?

The most time-consuming is the study of white papers, search for the final addresses if they are not specified in the document or on the website. The creators of ICO should be more open.  ::)

It will be a decision support service. Exact tools and instruments depend on ICO investors requirements. So this post is made to gather main problems and discuss on how to solve them.
We don't want to constuct a service by using available tools (despite we have ML background), we want to construct it to meet investor's requirements.

The creators of ICO don't always think about the fact that the token is supposed to bring us money. Investor don't have enough financial planned performance

This is a nice idea but I don't really understand what you bring to the table that is different from what those ICO youtube channels do. I'm also sceptical of this because all the three post so far are all newbie accounts

ico demand can down because

1 scam coin, ico selling without escrow
2 distribution coin is very long time
2 added to exchanger very long time

What ICO youtube channels are you talking about?

and yes, I have a newbie account, because I'm newbie
I don’t recommend you buy or sell
Like a zidorov I just want to understand, how ICO investment can be effectively
what exactly are you skeptical?

There are some problem related ICO are like the founders say that they will build the structure of the company after the acquisition of financing. However, when it comes to the actual ICO, founders or promoters are left Bitcoins and Ether receive a portfolio they control and there is no legal entity that the buyer buys the tokens.
I think must there are rules for developers of ICO.

Thanks for reply! In this topic I just want to determine what should be brought to the table. I have some understanding but don't want to move a discussion to tools/product-oriented because it would be my bias.
Videos at ICO youtube channels is a result of analysis but I'm trying to discuss how to streamline analysis of ICO. So an ICO analysis could be done faster and youtube video appears earlier.
So let's talk about demand of people who is on the other side of a youtube channel.

I agree but we appreciate a decentralization benefits. So we can only have some best practice check-list.
Some of checks can be automated and some is to be filled by experts according to their opinions.
Best practices would be defined and become common only with maturing of the industry.
So up to you what check-list positions are to be filled for an ICO? And which of them can be automated and which is not?

hahah chronobank,i dont even understand the concept and they have no product

I agree but how it can be measured?
I've already mentioned a github activity monitoring. What else can be used to monitor product development activities?

The main problem is that ICOs are unregulated and most data can be easily manipulated.

very interesting idea, nice

What is the purpose of this? What are you trying to achieve/hoping to accomplish?

With big hype and little investors, the investors must pay 0.01 for every token in the ico phase and after the ico will end and they must receive their destiny like icobid's investor.

Pay 1000 satoshi for every token and the current price is 50 satoshi.  :D

Sure. It is a disaster since every the prices are always lower than the prices they have to buy in the ICO. Well, maybe in the future, in a long term, ICObid may increase it prices and will be listed on some famous trading platform. ICO is a long term investment and we all have to be patient

1.Total coins
2.Emission curve
3.Point of difference

ICOs are for so different projects that you cant compare them. IT is like comparing apples and pears.


Usually developers present timeline. You can at least measure how realistic they were.   But again projects many times totally turn sideways.   Lets look at Spells of Genesis. They basically finished half year ago all that they promised in ICO , but in year and a half of development there come new ideas how game should look like. And they develop those.

IMHO this is the main problem
as usual there is no any financial plan or structure…
but


I hope that market can correct this situation, if we will invest into logical ICO
How do you think, if we will have any standard form (not state legislation), for example ICO dashboard, which will consist of different fields and if any field is not filled, then @thepo1m should include his skepticism

Yes at least the markets have the data about developers of ICO, amount of ICO
or if be needed they can control the ICO on markets,
so wayl make better for Investment in ICO and it is not like new scam way.

Could you elaborate on what you meant?

I dont think u can automate timeline comparing, Its very subjective

You can. Some deliver on time other dont. It is easy. Well there is also third category. those that dont deliver on time and even fail to provide new timeline till that date.  ICONOMI investment found platform should be out at end of December, now is February and I still ( well i dont monitor that closely) dont know when will be out.

This is one thing that can be easily measured. But if it is really relevant I have no ideas. I guess they will measure some more relevant things and some less relevant. sometimes those small things makes a change.

You think the same as me, I juka do not understand the concept that they use for the ico. so I think it's just a waste of time to see it and understand it.

As i understand, it's some kind of ICO tracker. Sorry, but here too much project like that. As an example here this project - http://icotracker.net . Why do we need another service such like that? Maybe it will be better to develop services which already exists?)

1. He means: How many coins exist and will exist ever
2. He means: How quickly are new coins created
3. He means: ??? <- Curious for elaboration on this too

We want to streamline an ICO/post-ICO analysis for an investor: gathering of data for some metrics can be automated and for others a collaboration place could be made.
E.g. someone with a good skills in code quality assessment could share his/her estimation with someone else who is good with business model proving etc. Each could earn points/coins if his/her work is appreciated by other investors.

Here are some criteria to which I pay attention:

1) the well-known in their circles of the development team, a SEO, who does not hide his face;
2) the approval authority figures in the crypto world;
3) a clear roadmap and whitepaper;
4) ratings known publications;
5) the importance of the idea and the project as a whole;
6) capitalization, the total number of coins and issuance.

And tell me where you usually know all this information? In addition to this there is a forum where you read it all? I would be grateful for links to relevant resources.

zidorov, van0k and Sova could be from same family, that's okay.

Bullets 1. and 1) and 2) hit the point. An expert, to speak of myself, just takes a look at the so far produced code base.
A scammer always bundles all of his activities on propelling his scamm, not on writing program code. Even if they would be capable of writing code they tend to avoid that like the plague, thrieving to scamm instead.
How much of the idea made it into code versus how much is staying all smoke and mirrors on a "wipe" paper which is suitable only for your behind side once or twice a day makes the difference.

so you talking about github activity?

I use Google and all that I find in the search engine. Another look that wrote such sites as Steem, Forklog, Bitcointalk and others. Write to me in PM, give references.

Nevsky, thanks for the links to interesting sites and information about the search. Now, I hope that I will invest only in good ICO company will always have a good profit.

what a cool talk

Do not thank me. Learn to make money and not to lose. In the crypto earns one who understands well that makes .. Of course, greed should be turned off.

seriously @MarMoCoin what do you mean by "Point of difference"?
?the difference between what and what?

I didn't type "Point of Difference", I asked for elaboration about what that meant from adhitthana.

Here's the original (which is at the top of the last page and also within my quote):

That's for sure. It is because of the greed of the several times I was a loser. Now I define in advance what price to sell as soon as the coin reaches that level put a stop. But beyond looking at the course. If a coin goes up, then I change the value of the stop. If prices are falling, the coin is sold for a price that I pointed out

Guys wanted to ask where you choose to invest your BTC in which ICO campaign? Personally, I still think of the Qtum and the Cosmos. What thoughts you have and would like to know why? Thank you.

I have not heard Cosmos. But in Qtum I want invest some money. I am sure that this project will be not bad to earn money. And will have to look at Cosmos. Participate in the ICO company.

I do not argue Qtum worth of attention and investment. I also plan to invest in it. But it is worth attention obrtit and Cosmos. Here you can get more information https://icotracker.net/project/cosmos . Read the white paper.

excuse me @MarMoCoin, You really asked what this means from @adhitthana. It was my mistake, and certainly I'd like to ask @adhitthana about it


as I understand, @zidorov didn't ask about specific ICO (and it'll be seemed like spam, then somebody start to link some ICO)
He asked what your need when dealing with ICOs analyses. I already spent 2 days for humaniq WP, and a don't understand this project.
@johhnyUA recommended use ICOtraker, but there is no humaniq ICO. And meanwhile the time goes and to ICO start just a few days.
I really want to understand: how I can reduce the time which I spent on ICOs analyses. And I hope they will help me.

Personally, I am hopeful from Qtum.

It seems to be a strong actor in own class.