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Title: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2017, 05:13:59 AM Zepher recently left positive trust for TMAN (on 1/27/17) that reads as follows:
"Purchased a 1 BTC Casascius Silver/Gilt from TMAN. Sent funds direct and coin was received next day. I trust him to stick to what he agrees to." The risked amount reads 1.8BTC. There is no reference, and neither account makes any mention of attempting to engage in this kind of trade looking back a week prior to this rating being left. Zepher very heavily reuses the address 1VAULTPU7XXsB5h6pb6VdZE7ZxKHCxmVb and there was no above described transaction from this address in a relevant timeframe. I would like to see the txid of this payment from zepher to TMAN. Below is a screenshot of TMAN's recently received trust: https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png Update: based on the response I got from zepher, I now believe that he is engaging in leaving trust for fake trades that did not occur. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Vod on February 02, 2017, 08:43:25 AM Quickseller currently has 17 trusted feedback posts with no reference.
Why does a scammer demand more proof than he himself is willing to provide? Zepher very heavily reuses the address 1VAULTPU7XXsB5h6pb6VdZE7ZxKHCxmVb and there was no above described transaction from this address in a relevant timeframe. So? I would just ignore this fool until he takes care of his own affairs. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Lauda on February 02, 2017, 10:05:12 AM I don't understand you OP one bit. If we temporarily ignore what Vod said:
1) This TX could have happened at any time in the past. 2) The risked BTC amount doesn't necessarily have to represent a 1.8 BTC TX risk. 3) This is a weird (?) invasion of privacy. I can't say how it is for the others, but for me it's quite common to leave feedback after a certain amount of time has passed since the trade. Why does a scammer demand more proof than he himself is willing to provide? Quite ironic, isn't it? :-\-snip- I would just ignore this fool until he takes care of his own affairs. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: minifrij on February 02, 2017, 01:05:14 PM Why do you care? Because Zepher trusts someone that you don't?
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Zepher on February 02, 2017, 01:32:09 PM Zepher recently left positive trust for TMAN (on 1/27/17) that reads as follows: "Purchased a 1 BTC Casascius Silver/Gilt from TMAN. Sent funds direct and coin was received next day. I trust him to stick to what he agrees to." The risked amount reads 1.8BTC. There is no reference, and neither account makes any mention of attempting to engage in this kind of trade looking back a week prior to this rating being left. Firstly, hello QuickSeller. Considering that you have a history of harassing people, I was wondering when I would get your attention. You have been on this forum a LOT longer than I have, and you should know by now that the majority of deals that happen in the Collectibles section are never documented in the sense that a thread is created for each one. Go read through other high rep'd traders trust history and you will find plenty of ratings left without a reference, and a lot of the time, without an amount. This deal was done in a "backroom" style, as is often the case as I just explained. I have absolutely zero obligation to provide YOU with proof that I bought this coin from TMAN, but if another trusted member wants proof, I will happily supply it to them. I don't consider you trusted, just look at your trust rating and feedback left. Zepher very heavily reuses the address 1VAULTPU7XXsB5h6pb6VdZE7ZxKHCxmVb and there was no above described transaction from this address in a relevant timeframe. I would like to see the txid of this payment from zepher to TMAN. Below is a screenshot of TMAN's recently received trust: https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png Yes, I do use the 1VAULT address quite frequently, but I also use other addresses. Here is a screenshot I just took from Mycelium. https://i.imgur.com/prr4aJm.jpg Not every payment I make comes from my vanity address. Now, as Lauda has pointed out, I feel this is a total invasion of my privacy. Do you not have better things to do with your time? I have handled over 200 BTC of other users funds since June last year, and I have never had one issue with anyone. I am one of the most active traders around here. So you coming in here and asking for proof of a less than 2 BTC tx is beyond absurd. Once again, you have zero right to request such information anyway. Therefore I will not supply it to you. By the way, I also trade in XMR now with some users that also use it, so some of my dealings and ratings will have been a BTC equivalent of XMR at the time. Now - stay out of my business. Unless you have proof of nefarious activities, don't waste your time creating such pointless threads. I will not be responding again. Thanks. Edited to change a couple of words. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Vod on February 02, 2017, 02:42:57 PM Quickseller's default trust has dropped from -64 to -112, putting him in the top 20 least trusted members on this forum.
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2017, 04:04:48 PM Zepher recently left positive trust for TMAN (on 1/27/17) that reads as follows: "Purchased a 1 BTC Casascius Silver/Gilt from TMAN. Sent funds direct and coin was received next day. I trust him to stick to what he agrees to." The risked amount reads 1.8BTC. There is no reference, and neither account makes any mention of attempting to engage in this kind of trade looking back a week prior to this rating being left. Firstly, hello QuickSeller. Considering that you have a history of harassing people, I was wondering when I would get your attention. You have been on this forum a LOT longer than I have, and you should know by now that the majority of deals that happen in the Collectibles section are never documented in the sense that a thread is created for each one. Go read through other high rep'd traders trust history and you will find plenty of ratings left without a reference, and a lot of the time, without an amount. This deal was done in a "backroom" style, as is often the case as I just explained. I have absolutely zero obligation to provide YOU with proof that I bought this coin from TMAN, but if another trusted member wants proof, I will happily supply it to them. I don't consider you trusted, just look at your trust rating and feedback left. Zepher very heavily reuses the address 1VAULTPU7XXsB5h6pb6VdZE7ZxKHCxmVb and there was no above described transaction from this address in a relevant timeframe. I would like to see the txid of this payment from zepher to TMAN. Below is a screenshot of TMAN's recently received trust: https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png https://i.imgur.com/WsDkYki.png Yes, I do use the 1VAULT address quite frequently, but I also use other addresses. Here is a screenshot I just took from Mycelium. https://i.imgur.com/prr4aJm.jpg Not every payment I make comes from my vanity address. Now, as Lauda has pointed out, I feel this is a total invasion of my privacy. Do you not have better things to do with your time? I have handled over 200 BTC of other users funds since June last year, and I have never had one issue with anyone. I am one of the most active traders around here. So you coming in here and asking for proof of a less than 2 BTC tx is beyond absurd. Once again, you have zero right to request such information anyway. Therefore I will not supply it to you. By the way, I also trade in XMR now with some users that also use it, so some of my dealings and ratings will have been a BTC equivalent of XMR at the time. Now - stay out of my business. Unless you have proof of nefarious activities, don't waste your time creating such pointless threads. I will not be responding again. Thanks. Edited to change a couple of words. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: Sweeet on February 02, 2017, 04:13:17 PM I think everything that is considered trust and not trusted on this website is completely distorted. Yea what quickseller did was taking away towards his privacy but all he was doing was looking for scammers, wither he did it for attention or not doesn't matter that doesn't make him untrustworthy as Zepher deemed him. Bringing up that it is ironic for Quickseller to bring these things up because he has done the same thing is childish, Thats like saying if you've gone to prision you can't become a cop. I find the only reason the Zeper would add a negative is because no one would disagree with him because quickseller already has so many.
Imagine if one of you DT members made a scam accusation against someone, just trying to make the forum scammer-free. What if the result of that scam accusation was you losing your DT access and receiving a negative? An accusation can be invalid, thats why it's an "accusation". If Vod made this thread, maybe he wouldn't but just say he did, you guys wouldn't gang up on him and tell him that hes wrong unless your the victim of the negative that he gave to you. The thing I hate about DT members is because they feel like they have a duty to give people negatives, even for the slightest reason. The worst part about it is they would only give a positive to another DT member to defend them. DT members just need to relax, not everyone without three figures of green next to their name is a scammer. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN Post by: minifrij on February 02, 2017, 05:21:57 PM In other words, the rating is regarding a fake trade that you have no evidence of He has said that he will prove the trade to a member that he trusts. Find a member that the two of you see to be trusted and I expect he will be happy to give evidence of the trade. Perhaps Blazed or someone similar would be a good choice.Yea what quickseller did was taking away towards his privacy but all he was doing was looking for scammers And what authority does he have to do that? Can I request any information from anyone and simply say 'I was looking for scammers'?I think everything that is considered trust and not trusted on this website is completely distorted. Yea what quickseller did was taking away towards his privacy but all he was doing was looking for scammers, wither he did it for attention or not doesn't matter that doesn't make him untrustworthy as Zepher deemed him. All of this is only your opinion.I find the only reason the Zeper would add a negative is because no one would disagree with him because quickseller already has so many. I don't feel the same. Zepher has left several negative trusts on users to which others would disagree with. He doesn't just follow the crowd.In addition, why do you think that QS has so many negative trusts? Imagine if one of you DT members made a scam accusation against someone, just trying to make the forum scammer-free. What if the result of that scam accusation was you losing your DT access and receiving a negative? QS lost DT and received trust ratings long before any of this happened.If Vod made this thread, maybe he wouldn't but just say he did, you guys wouldn't gang up on him and tell him that hes wrong unless your the victim of the negative that he gave to you. We're telling QS that it is none of his business, and now that him saying it is a fake trade is incorrect. If someone like Vod made this thread I would expect that Zepher would be happier to hand over the proof.Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2017, 05:40:47 PM In other words, the rating is regarding a fake trade that you have no evidence of He has said that he will prove the trade to a member that he trusts. Find a member that the two of you see to be trusted and I expect he will be happy to give evidence of the trade. Perhaps Blazed or someone similar would be a good choice.I am also going to call BS in the privacy claim considering how frequently zepher reuses his vanity address implies that he is not serious about maintaining his blockchain privacy and even if this was not the. Are I don't think privacy is a good response to this inquiry. Lastly zepher made it fairly clear that he will not give proof to someone "he trusts" considering he left negative trust to the first person who questioned him; he made it clear what will happen when the next person asks for any kind of proof of any kind from him. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Rmcdermott927 on February 02, 2017, 05:57:48 PM In other words, the rating is regarding a fake trade that you have no evidence of He has said that he will prove the trade to a member that he trusts. Find a member that the two of you see to be trusted and I expect he will be happy to give evidence of the trade. Perhaps Blazed or someone similar would be a good choice.I am also going to call BS in the privacy claim considering how frequently zepher reuses his vanity address implies that he is not serious about maintaining his blockchain privacy and even if this was not the. Are I don't think privacy is a good response to this inquiry. Lastly zepher made it fairly clear that he will not give proof to someone "he trusts" considering he left negative trust to the first person who questioned him; he made it clear what will happen when the next person asks for any kind of proof of any kind from him. Trades do not need to be public. This is Bitcoin, not a tax return. Not everything is required to be transparent. With that being said, I was shown the txid for the transaction in question as well as a receipt for shipping for a zip code I know to be zephers. You can think whatever you want about the feedback, but the trade is legit. I have feedback without references from Zepher, blazed, and minerjones. Do you want someone to verify those transactions too? This is absurd. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Sweeet on February 02, 2017, 06:09:26 PM Asking for proof when looking into a possible scam = untrustworthy person.
Its not about power, or authority, its not about scamming, its the simple fact that someone will receive a negative for asking for information when looking into something. This doesn't make them untrustworthy this just makes them nosy. This doesn't mean, based only of this thread, that person shouldn't be trusted in a trade or not. Zepher should have simply declined, not deemed him untrustworthy, thats not what trust is. It makes me think a lot less of the higher powers of this forum. What I've learned is that a lot of negative trust members have a "solid head on top of their shoulders and can fight a fight" compared to some of these wacko DT's. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: wheelz1200 on February 02, 2017, 06:27:54 PM Asking for proof when looking into a possible scam = untrustworthy person. Its not about power, or authority, its not about scamming, its the simple fact that someone will receive a negative for asking for information when looking into something. This doesn't make them untrustworthy this just makes them nosy. This doesn't mean, based only of this thread, that person shouldn't be trusted in a trade or not. Zepher should have simply declined, not deemed him untrustworthy, thats not what trust is. It makes me think a lot less of the higher powers of this forum. What I've learned is that a lot of negative trust members have a "solid head on top of their shoulders and can fight a fight" compared to some of these wacko DT's. ??? So generally speaking you have more repect for people with neg trust vice those with positive? Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: klaaas on February 02, 2017, 06:31:54 PM ... This is something between Zepher and TMAN., You are not in the position to request anything. Fix your Trust: -240: -8 rating first please. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 02, 2017, 06:43:54 PM Asking for proof when looking into a possible scam = untrustworthy person. Its not about power, or authority, its not about scamming, its the simple fact that someone will receive a negative for asking for information when looking into something. This doesn't make them untrustworthy this just makes them nosy. This doesn't mean, based only of this thread, that person shouldn't be trusted in a trade or not. What the hell are you going on about? Where is there proof of me being involved in a possible scam, or being an untrustworthy person? Think before you type. QS had no business meddling in my affairs in he first place. What right does he have to this information he is requesting? Answer: He doesn't. None whatsoever. Therefore I don't have to prove anything to you, or to him. Why? Because it is none of your business!! Zepher should have simply declined, not deemed him untrustworthy, thats not what trust is. It makes me think a lot less of the higher powers of this forum. I did decline. Once again, I do not have an obligation to prove anything to you, or to Quickseller. Furthermore, I do deem Quickseller untrustworthy, he has been excluded from my trust list for at least 6 months, long before I was put into DT2. Take note that I had not left him negative rep him prior to this, even though I deemed him untrustworthy. But coming in here and trying to smear my reputation? Sorry, I won't accept that. Once again, I am happy to prove the trade happened to another DT member if this is required. I have already proven it to rmcdermott927. The point is, why should I have to do this? This has nothing to do with ANY of you. My deals are my deals. Mind your own business. What I've learned is that a lot of negative trust members have a "solid head on top of their shoulders and can fight a fight" compared to some of these wacko DT's. You mean people like Quickseller like to troll people to amuse themselves? As for "wacko DT's" - I don't even have a response for this one. I am here to trade. I have been doing so successfully for ~8 months now, and have been entrusted with hundreds of thousands of dollars of other peoples money, and not once have I EVER done anything "shady". So this whole thread from QS was just an attempt to smear my reputation, which has backfired -as it rightly should of. As for you, Sweeet, I don't even know why you stuck your nose into this in the first place. I am done. Back to Collectibles I go. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2017, 06:46:42 PM Oh wow, I have gotten an awful lot of negatives because of this thread. I clearly have pinched a nerve in making this thread.
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 02, 2017, 07:13:07 PM Disregarding the on-going discussions in here, I think it's time to correct the thread title.
Quote [Zepher engaging in fake trades With that being said, I was shown the txid for the transaction in question as well as a receipt for shipping for a zip code I know to be zephers. A third party has seen the proof of the trade, therefore the title is misleading.You can think whatever you want about the feedback, but the trade is legit. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2017, 07:22:00 PM Disregarding the on-going discussions in here, I think it's time to correct the thread title. I am unable to close the bracket due to space limitations. Quote [Zepher engaging in fake trades Quote With that being said, I was shown the txid for the transaction in question as well as a receipt for shipping for a zip code I know to be zephers. A third party has seen the proof of the trade, therefore the title is misleading.You can think whatever you want about the feedback, but the trade is legit. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 02, 2017, 07:25:25 PM I am unable to close the bracket due to space limitations. Figure out a better way to formulate it then.I previously stated that I am going to believe zepher is engaging in fake trades until proof is made public. What kind of nonsense/harassment is this? If you are going to to continue behaving in this irrational fashion, then you should not be surprised by the amount of negative ratings that you've gotten(?).Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Vod on February 03, 2017, 01:11:28 AM Oh wow, I have gotten an awful lot of negatives because of this thread. I clearly have pinched a nerve in making this thread. And you've made it into the top 10 least trusted users. Well done. :-\ TradeFortress -9999 master-P -9999 magic max -1024 Pierre11 -512 Maidak -506 Inaba -256 amaclin -256 Archerbow550 -256 GotaPauj -256 Quickseller -240 There are currently 7,909 users with negative trust. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: greenplastic on February 03, 2017, 01:25:09 AM Zepher is legit.
Case closed. Seriously. Good night. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: gorgon666 on February 03, 2017, 06:53:05 AM The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady.
Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted (http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-5315.0-5319.6) to doing this. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 03, 2017, 08:01:17 AM The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady. 'Half' of the forum is now "very shady"? ::)Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted (http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-5315.0-5319.6) to doing this. Zepher has a very clean record. They were not involved in that sting operation in the way that you've trying to imply. Continuing to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing is not going to do you any favors. :-[And you've made it into the top 10 least trusted users. Well done. :-\ I think that pretty much everyone (*) is tired of their harassment, lies and whatnot. The post above me proves my point.Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: gorgon666 on February 03, 2017, 08:13:20 AM The entire group of friends that Lauda is in is very shady. 'Half' of the forum is now "very shady"? ::)Zepher does not exactly have a clean record because he was obviously involved in extorting someone, and admitted (http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-5315.0-5319.6) to doing this. Zepher has a very clean record. They were not involved in that sting operation in the way that you've trying to imply. Continuing to falsely accuse people of wrongdoing is not going to do you any favors. :-[If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs? Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 03, 2017, 08:20:30 AM You sure do have a big ego. Half of the forum is not your friend though. It has nothing to do with ego, but the current situation with farmed accounts and alts. The latter is something that you'd know about.There appears to be many people that are afraid of you and are afraid to speak out against you... There is no reason to be afraid of someone who is benevolent. He very clearly admitted to being a part of the investigation, and to have advance knowledge of your criminal extortion, and he attempted to cover for you. The statement only confirms that they saw the evidence and the PGP message, nothing else. Therefore, that case has no relevance to this one.If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs? Do you also want me to publish my telephone calls as well? How about a full list of my private emails? ::) There are no IRC logs as there is no IRC channel. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: gorgon666 on February 03, 2017, 08:30:24 AM You sure do have a big ego. Half of the forum is not your friend though. It has nothing to do with ego, but the current situation with farmed accounts and alts. The latter is something that you'd know about.There appears to be many people that are afraid of you and are afraid to speak out against you... There is no reason to be afraid of someone who is benevolent. He very clearly admitted to being a part of the investigation, and to have advance knowledge of your criminal extortion, and he attempted to cover for you. The statement only confirms that they saw the evidence and the PGP message, nothing else. Therefore, that case has no relevance to this one.You do not just show a whole bunch of people evidence, and tell them you are about to extort someone out of the blue. He Zepher was clearly a part of your criminal attempt to forcibly take money from someone that did not belong to you. If zepher is so "innocent" then maybe you should publish the IRC logs? Do you also want me to publish my telephone calls as well? How about a full list of my private emails? ::) There are no IRC logs as there is no IRC channel. It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are.... Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 03, 2017, 08:35:55 AM Ha. You are very clearly power hungry and would make every effort to increase your power/influence. I have no idea why you would say that.He Zepher was clearly a part of your criminal attempt to forcibly take money from someone that did not belong to you. No matter how you twist the situation, factually they were not a part of it therefore any accusations would be defamation.You don't routinely "chat" in #cc-collectors? The channel is empty/dead:-snip- It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are.... https://i.imgur.com/aDvDheT.png https://i.imgur.com/xuTzbzA.png Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: shorena on February 04, 2017, 09:53:12 AM Just to get this out of the way. The additional (4th) rating by Zepher does not change how TMAN is seen, the rating by monkeynuts does.
If Zepher and QS consider me trusted enough for it, I will look at evidence of a trade, under the condition that this will end this topic. If the above "evidence must be public" still applies Im not going to waste my time on this for nothing. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 04, 2017, 01:32:51 PM Just to get this out of the way. The additional (4th) rating by Zepher does not change how TMAN is seen, the rating by monkeynuts does. This is what I think QS was implying anyway when he created this thread, that I was trying to change TMAN's trust score (effectively voiding yours) leaving him that positive rating. As we both know, this would never have worked anyway, as I have already rated TMAN in the past. Seems QS doesn't know how the trust system works. If Zepher and QS consider me trusted enough for it, I will look at evidence of a trade, under the condition that this will end this topic. If the above "evidence must be public" still applies Im not going to waste my time on this for nothing. I consider you trusted enough and would have absolutely zero problem sending you evidence of this trade if there was a legitimate reason to do so. But this goes back to my initial response. Why should I? It is none of QS business, nor is it yours (no offense intended by the way). I should not have to prove anything, as it doesn't concern any of you. I have already proven the trade to Rmcdermott927 by the way. I am done responding here (again). I only replied because you did, Shorena. If you wish to discuss this further, please PM me, but this is wasting both of our time. Thanks Missed this.... Update: based on the response I got from zepher, I now believe that he is engaging in leaving trust for fake trades that did not occur. You and your army of alt accounts can believe all you want, I really couldn't give a shit. I am not sure you are going to find other people who will agree with you on your theory that I am engaging in and leaving trust for "fake trades". As far as I am concerned, this thread is done. Laters!! :-* Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: killyou73 on February 04, 2017, 11:06:07 PM If someone else posted a thread like this, and was just requesting proof of the trade would it have gotten backlash like this?
I thought that is was fishy that Zepher got positive trust right after his negative one, but Lauda points how a few great points that the trade could have happened in the past... Because if memory serves me right, didn't Zepher buy or sell a 10 BTC Cas coin and fly the coin to meet the buyer/seller? I do not see that on his trust... Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on February 05, 2017, 01:28:04 AM This is not any of QS's business. No one here owes him any sort of proof of trade in which he played no part. If you recall, he said he never voluntarily disclosed any of his alts because it's none of anyone else's business. That's being hypocritical, but it doesn't surprise me a bit.
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: killyou73 on February 05, 2017, 02:36:29 AM This is not any of QS's business. No one here owes him any sort of proof of trade in which he played no part. If you recall, he said he never voluntarily disclosed any of his alts because it's none of anyone else's business. That's being hypocritical, but it doesn't surprise me a bit. You are comparing apples to oranges here. Because if these trades are fake or fabricated than it would be abusing the trust system. But I believe there are probably (maybe all together) dozens of trades that Zepher and TMAN have done that are not specifically listed on their trust pages. QS not disclosing his alts is not abusing the trust system. However, wouldn't all of QS's alts have to less activity than his current account? Or is QS buying older accounts and doing what with them??! Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: gorgon666 on February 05, 2017, 10:06:09 PM You don't routinely "chat" in #cc-collectors? The channel is empty/dead:-snip- It is statements like this that show just how honest you are, and how much of a liar you are.... https://i.imgur.com/aDvDheT.png https://i.imgur.com/xuTzbzA.png Your response is just another example of your dishonesty and your tendency to troll others who you view as weaker and vulnerable to you. This channel was closed last year, but you and your friends use another slack group to plan your criminal activities. I think killyou73 hit it right on the money: Quote Because if these trades are fake or fabricated than it would be abusing the trust system. The timing of the trust given by zepher is highly suspect. It looks like zepher is in fact unwilling to show proof to shorena, someone he admits to be "trusted enough" to see proof of the transaction, as he added the caveat that shorena will need a legitimate reason to ask for it. http://archive.is/TWd6x#selection-4405.105-4405.145Zepher asks why he should send proof of a trade, and the answer is simple -- because someone is calling him out on giving trust for a fake trade. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 05, 2017, 10:43:29 PM -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
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Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 06, 2017, 04:53:46 PM -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.62 Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto wcFMA3C2UgBFI0XNARAAthmI473Zd7WN2PG75fZPEYslgPkDBvk7JG2SRZzyV/Av w/1ZXYGRXcoBLKn6w0QJXXYa2OUCY+CkAJE3c2QmfAj/5G1JIsx6Xrdm1Ukt4c3M 9emH/v2Wfu2iB8Zg0gB92GmSZT9480VbCMXOV7laGbzJhgt0RzcMRE0VEjOpvqLG 91EYNnqrz/9OqMspFmcHO5OcUpY/+gkij5XGDlhFGByqrI+H/NTxkt73ubHd45sE 9Rg6685YFF6cUttVpUzD2TKvVV8oFm8vunuC6VSH0Eb0yyG+O1nqO9IBYgwdRLum Oh0+pNCn2RAxpMugNAVMO2/UlO/wtuMskYakcBY5CPcjflpqpS0zP1GPoG5OrbG9 FkDAQ78UpKQI6Fl/oerBpBDCufj37xm8/3qt+blpllZ9AVEwgSuVOwjOPGzu8hOV O0SZuaIFu4kaAtJtwD7kiIFDWBdR4cWzIRKYOPr7JuJXsZIHNC4qvyuBrqcnVOHQ xHb4Tud8szY/eY/hNT+tUfOu05ikLT8zpw7KnYMMFZvMVdzNCNU7jymf3Rh9F5sA xmFqN4l4MU/O+Ie/HykTAOzK/rMh9mk08e9BIVKPrf/5DexABdRk4LEDv41HaGi5 3q1dC0mG9t55RL9mVNKSOoxpVJGhIxPBo1s+f1iYnK0VORpeo/sgZJUTiFQzZ1nB wEwDraAg5r7prPcBB/wP519v0fudkngDtnydIPKd8kUJQ7PcEajQbIc2KHwCBnz1 +j6LlaX14ZzFryQ6/7TvBhynl7j+8mkd7Kvwj6kTIVpAbQzLjSvP50yablBwIv2a j/7ebAFdAZvv6n2UVWyCfqADyVjYkjzr+HrD7NEVL22Xs2ROs90x+HlvJFau7taY qsTqTg84hq5pd3R0sTqf2492tKvZhAHYjpngb1i/zDPoamZjA+BkFoiOoFuOd8NR rqYJ1k15o9R+xVnsNoVfjT9hnsALMBKv7sKBANOAMm/UIgdlcQ+ydoiwmWfID9A1 Yu/dG1s5wip7QdpCAuE4Qb2Wq5gSVNRicQ8L/gey0sNcAYUo9r9q7xbOtUCnAkxB QCTynVHe+PEV5H5nAjds8UC4DXG3j7KQtWgdYS9S8PwCS0mTMcwRZHR0mSWYE6Iw NseMlocxfqGdErxFsL33Grld2a90OgBJ7j/J3thrb6Sp+rW+cyiny1KaFirDXu1b hQS9U4m7WJOHex/gnOo1n5HXyKzjnBJSBCyVowWVfxwjKVNfLJ6TDM1bsY5Ra3A+ jOuUNhQ15DhnipAy1lvdY/Xp95PACmuTgpdHp6Ofytbd6symxSvBtbXasNl1Eqpx dFt4WI+1Jo2FBEy9yQDMfq33sp3700xmfUGL/ulSx7Wypjhbt7E+LFUm9n3fDWtz qExKEqk+KSWNFHaTg/eBo97XqRr6Q+kaLnuEAO0CF+2LsyOfJOrllIDVc4UCVkM2 Mr92IhikNpmjAMZtZ+U5bajoe/0jqcjPSfyU0Lq5MpbAdmhukGmzW0Bgz1D2c80q 4+nkGkNzTJd/amQtnCNHNFOjiIcddJFPZ/0V/Rb2LcUdefSzBoAhhfG/Ene7TudN oJb3OEJyCcG3OrSeJy/JofcvyDnma6wKhNRIcMYLfsVV2mZaYowEH4jA3XWcDZqF b0P00MSoN5SCpkG+qPokdEh+05KviOx9lZoITJcGhzJsQ0/kpgZOZ2YAKq/zLrKV CXQ5DSN2sBVMvNjnDnBcfD38R+neBqpzkVjNZdu+cxxjAh6lnn/7inKeUIaW70LQ vwEBoZo9hOfL57RBSK7aZ87Wc93ZC8IWyf+H1FBVn2gH2bpWe+DKB37ynOtI5R6F NPyhCYCdIY/SJ/qFUqk2bdr6TcuMmoM0ThqBvukn2YuQGdrf9S+4cqty+vWQUL51 c15sG17xeFJnYON2bktUdnk9wFozrU+gO5FzQ43R2YP0kehjeFS4Mvou5d8CV28G JZ4JFXjesVqCVqC5SYpfJLfwpZ7gBHztNMPeRWLSBS/ijT2cxjKT1gHdtuJDpaq7 pYYVseuBHM5IT1ALtZGOYdiRyX+WP/7P4YGxerxV37IghPJ0vgGp/a5hS76CTcj4 QEfSlrSHIhzLEyl91lsFy1/HhuWF9QzHaepgjHlx7O7aAm5AtsHxbCDELu9foBQH 9Lwc3VGOQg0I5D+gAyskRYuoCF/bYiGQYcYVYVzzMElQIDHYIEdt6reRrczYVyks ChGqV4C9mtCcS7dYETlPTCvV4/xuvFrNFsbOWvqeuhRuHSiZB2Vxr2QqpoHKQGHx ZcrDI8ChPKBjp3VZEnB/XBJNCwivUPHz0Eg7+proZTpfD4N41RWD8zqHbch9jwid HPJjHelH8iwyXuDBOhNynNeT566EyvKLmoeKlhQNIBWmPq2Y/hQMkuokFcdzZVmh 7ZLeSoifc2Sb4XekYQn+EQkx8/qsh7lOo+HhUoU= =+1i7 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- The above information is signed with the PGP Key on my profile, and only Shorena can decrypt it. Thanks Code: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hope this settles it. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on February 10, 2017, 06:54:38 AM Since this thread is partially about TMAN, I guess it is appropriate to post this here....
In this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762459.0;all) thread, TMAN wanted to buy up all of a coin that was offered for sale, then he proceeded to what can only be described as trolling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762459.msg17599702#msg17599702), and eventually backed out of the entire deal ~a day later when nothing really changed. Just sayin..... Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Rmcdermott927 on February 10, 2017, 09:58:57 AM Quote Reasonable evidence that zepher was the sender of said transaction? That a third party was the receipant of said transaction? Is the timeframe of the transaction at or near the time the rating was left? I told you that it was when I verified it, considering I'm sure me and shorena saw the same receipt and txid, stop beating a dead horse. Quote In this thread, TMAN wanted to buy up all of a coin that was offered for sale, then he proceeded to what can only be described as trolling, and eventually backed out of the entire deal ~a day later when nothing really changed He was trolling, so what. That's what you are doing now in this thread You are arguing a point when there is very clear evidence you are wrong and have been for quite a few days. T man literally purchases more stuff from me than anyone else on the forum. He purchased over a dozen silver bars from me, kialaras, etc. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Seattle420 on February 17, 2017, 09:25:01 AM I think that Zepher might be breaking the law. I got this PM from him:
!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! Hi, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0 If I buy your BTCC coins for 4.425 BTC then will I need to pay any customs/import taxes/duties? How quick will UPS ship to Seattle, WA? Thank you, Richard Hey there, I ship these as "Titanium Coins" or "Collectible Coins" or "Novelty Tokens" (you get the point!) with a value of $25 each. There is no mention of the word "Bitcoin". I must have shipped 100 packages containing loaded coins, and not one has ever been stopped. You won't have an issue. So, to answer your questions, no, you won't have anything extra to pay apart from the 4.425 BTC as I don't declare Bitcoin value. I will ship these on Monday via UPS Express 48hr, so you will have these by end of day on Wednesday. I'll actually pay that bit extra to guarantee delivery by 10:30am on Wednesday morning. So, you'll have these pretty quick :) Check my feedback so you know you are dealing with a serious collector and trader, and someone who has competency in what they do. I am also part of the Default Trust (DT) on the forum under Blazed. Hope that answers everything (and more haha). Kind Regards, B I think he might be lying to me because he posted this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1781493.msg17765753#msg17765753) thread :/ I don't want to get in trouble for any kind of tax evasion or anything like that. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: minifrij on February 17, 2017, 09:36:26 AM I think he might be lying to me because he posted this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1781493.msg17765753#msg17765753) thread :/ Reshipping items != selling items that you own. You're comparing two different things.I don't want to get in trouble for any kind of tax evasion or anything like that. If you're worried that you might be in trouble then ask him to declare the full value of the package. However, of you do this you should also expect hundreds of dollars in fees. The $25 "novelty token" is something that most collectors use to try and minimise shipping fees when sending coins.Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 17, 2017, 11:44:32 AM I think that Zepher might be breaking the law. I got this PM from him: !!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! Hi, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0 If I buy your BTCC coins for 4.425 BTC then will I need to pay any customs/import taxes/duties? How quick will UPS ship to Seattle, WA? Thank you, xxxxx Hey there, I ship these as "Titanium Coins" or "Collectible Coins" or "Novelty Tokens" (you get the point!) with a value of $25 each. There is no mention of the word "Bitcoin". I must have shipped 100 packages containing loaded coins, and not one has ever been stopped. You won't have an issue. So, to answer your questions, no, you won't have anything extra to pay apart from the 4.425 BTC as I don't declare Bitcoin value. I will ship these on Monday via UPS Express 48hr, so you will have these by end of day on Wednesday. I'll actually pay that bit extra to guarantee delivery by 10:30am on Wednesday morning. So, you'll have these pretty quick :) Check my feedback so you know you are dealing with a serious collector and trader, and someone who has competency in what they do. I am also part of the Default Trust (DT) on the forum under Blazed. Hope that answers everything (and more haha). Kind Regards, xxxx I think he might be lying to me because he posted this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1781493.msg17765753#msg17765753) thread :/ I don't want to get in trouble for any kind of tax evasion or anything like that. I told you in a separate message several hours later that I would not do this for you, I am not doing it for anyone. I no longer ship to the USA. I considered what I had already posted, and am sticking to it. My reshipping to the US is over. By the way, this was a personal sale, and not a case of me reshipping items. As for your "getting in trouble for tax evasion", you would have had the choice of having them declared full value, or just the basic material value. In the first case, you would be fully insured, and would likely have customs and import fees to pay. In the second, you would not be covered insurance wise, and the items would be declared at their basic metal value. Why you felt the need to post my name in a public forum, is very annoying, and it breaks my privacy. I would appreciate that being edited out. As a result, I will be tagging you for doing that. You didn't NEED to post that - hell, you didn't need to post anything, because I told you I wasn't doing it anyway. I'll post the PM soon. Hi again, After further thought I have decided that I won't be shipping to the US, not for this kind of value anyway. Sorry about that. It appears that I have a buyer but I had changed my mind anyway. Again - apologies. Good luck with getting a nice coin by BTCC. Zepher Edit: Can't help but feel I was being set up here. You gave me a weird feeling to begin with. Posting my name is out of order. This fucking forum gets worse every day. Edit 2: Also, what you wanted to buy was the coins I had personally listed for sale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0 This has nothing to do with reshipping, nor am I breaking any laws by selling my own coins. Edit 3: You posted this: I think he might be lying to me because he posted this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1781493.msg17765753#msg17765753) thread :/ A newbie to this forum does not know how to do that with the [url=. Hence, you are not a newbie. You are someone we all know quite well... Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on February 17, 2017, 01:41:25 PM Do we know someone who uses alts to manipulate others via various methods (e.g. harassment, privacy intrusion, et. al)?
http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png I think it is pretty obvious what the case here was. I got the impression of a setup as soon as I've read the post (which was long before anyone else responded). Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Seattle420 on February 19, 2017, 07:23:41 PM As for your "getting in trouble for tax evasion", you would have had the choice of having them declared full value, or just the basic material value. So you are going to lie for me so I can avoid paying taxes? That sounds like the very definition of tax evasion to me, and is not something I want to have any part of. In the first case, you would be fully insured, and would likely have customs and import fees to pay. In the second, you would not be covered insurance wise, and the items would be declared at their basic metal value. Why you felt the need to post my name in a public forum, is very annoying, and it breaks my privacy. I would appreciate that being edited out. As a result, I will be tagging you for doing that. You didn't NEED to post that - hell, you didn't need to post anything, because I told you I wasn't doing it anyway. I'll post the PM soon. I did not post anything that was not intended to be private? I think you maybe forgot to read the note at the bottom of the message: "Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages"Hi again, After further thought I have decided that I won't be shipping to the US, not for this kind of value anyway. Sorry about that. It appears that I have a buyer but I had changed my mind anyway. Again - apologies. Good luck with getting a nice coin by BTCC. Zepher Edit 2: Also, what you wanted to buy was the coins I had personally listed for sale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0 If you are lying to help someone avoid pay taxes, then I think you are engaging in tax evasion, or at least are an accessory to tax evasion. I think you are breaking the law and/or helping others break the law. Am I the only one who thinks this is not okay? This has nothing to do with reshipping, nor am I breaking any laws by selling my own coins. Edit 3: You posted this: I think he might be lying to me because he posted this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1781493.msg17765753#msg17765753) thread :/ A newbie to this forum does not know how to do that with the I am not sure what you are trying to say? There is a button on every page to insert a hyperlink. It is not like this place is the only place that BB code is used. There are thousands of forums that utilize BB code. (http://. Hence, you are not a newbie. You are someone we all know quite well... [/quote) Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on February 19, 2017, 08:38:24 PM BTCC are doing the same by not declaring the BTC value on the invoice. This is well known but yet you show interest in the coins. Aren't you being hypocritical by blaming Zepher for it?
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Seattle420 on February 20, 2017, 06:18:44 AM BTCC are doing the same by not declaring the BTC value on the invoice. This is well known but yet you show interest in the coins. Aren't you being hypocritical by blaming Zepher for it? I had no idea that BTCC was doing this too. Can you point me in the right direction to see evidence of this? I just saw Zepher selling something that I thought would look like a nice coin and sent him a message about it. Even if Zepher's employer, BTCC were to direct him to engage in tax fraud, this does not mean that Zepher did nothing wrong. If my employer told me to break the law, I would refuse to do so, and would resign if necessary if the request continued. I think that maybe Zepher was whoring himself out for his/BTCC's customers by agreeing to commit tax fraud for them. I only wanted to spend my Christmas bonus on something shiny, I don't want to get involved in any kind of illegal activity, or anything like that. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: owlcatz on February 20, 2017, 11:51:03 AM Stop being a moron and learn to read:
https://mint.btcc.com/faq Edit - Most if not all bitcoin / physical companies do the same thing, it's nothing new. :P Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 20, 2017, 09:48:42 PM Seattle420, or Qui... cough - whoever you are.
Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not, nor have I ever been, employed by BTCC. As for the rest of your crap - EVERYONE in the collectors community does not declare the Bitcoin value unless specifically asked to, this is so the receiving party does not have import duties to pay. Bitcoin is still a grey area in most countries tax wise, so until the whole community starts declaring everything at full value, then stirring shit with me is a waste of your time, as I am not going to bother responding after this. BTW, if you aren't who I strongly suspect you are, good luck getting anyone to deal with you now in the Collectibles section. You might need a new account. Take care now. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Sweeet on February 20, 2017, 09:49:58 PM This thread became a negative trust trading platform.
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on February 20, 2017, 10:00:36 PM This thread became a negative trust trading platform. It would appear so. Don't ask for things that have absolutely nothing to do with you (this isn't aimed at you by the way). If a request was fair and reasonable, and had merit behind it, then I have zero problem providing the "evidence". This was an intrusion of my privacy. (QS should know that my rating for TMAN would have no effect on the negative left before that. Why, do you ask? Because only your first ever positive rating has an affect on someone's score. QS should know this by now anyway). I don't know who finally edited my name out of that post, but thank you. Seattle420, if it was you, then let me know by PM and I will remove the negative rating I left you. Bare in mind that I will check that it was actually you who did it by checking with the mods of this section, so don't attempt to lie to me. That's me done here. Have fun. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: moooonu on February 21, 2017, 02:10:28 PM First thing first and that is privacy. It the personnel matter between traders. I think people have the right to do what they wants to do.
I understand your point but let them keep doing what they are doing unless they harm others. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: minifrij on February 21, 2017, 06:47:44 PM Even if Zepher's employer You keep making this mistake (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1778912.msg17747600#msg17747600). Zepher is not employed by BTCC and never has been.Even if Zepher's employer, BTCC were to direct him to engage in tax fraud, this does not mean that Zepher did nothing wrong. If my employer told me to break the law, I would refuse to do so, and would resign if necessary if the request continued. I think that maybe Zepher was whoring himself out for his/BTCC's customers by agreeing to commit tax fraud for them. This isn't BTCC's idea, it is common throughout the community to declare an 'incorrect' value when shipping coins. In addition, you could very easily request for the full amount to be declared on the parcel. You wouldn't do that though, since it is obvious that you had no actual intention of buying anything.Also, while we're on the topic of the value, what is the full value of a loaded coin like the ones that BTCC offer? Should you include the value of the Bitcoins on the coin? There is no Bitcoin on the coin, since Bitcoin is not a physical entity. The loaded value of the coin is nothing but letters on a piece of paper, does that mean that the 'value' of this paper should be marked? If so, what should it be marked as? If I stuck a piece of paper containing my bank details onto a piece of metal and shipped it, does that mean that I would have to declare the amount in my bank account as the value? Let's assume that you do mark the Bitcoins as part of the value, what value would you mark it as? The value of the Bitcoin at the time you are sending it? If so, let's assume that between the UK and US borders the package gets lost for 3 months. In that 3 months, the price of 1 Bitcoin rises by $200. The person shipping that coin from the UK would then be committing tax evasion because the declared price is not the actual value of the coins loaded, correct? Now let's get onto the metal. How would you value it? As far as spot price, the titanium on a BTCC coin would be worth a few dollars at absolute maximum. Do you include the workmanship put into the coin? If so, who's to value the workmanship put into that coin? BTCC values it at about 0.15BTC, which has the same problem as I mentioned previously with BTC. Also, what if I (or the person shipping it) thinks the workmanship is worth more/less? I only wanted to spend my Christmas bonus on something shiny BTCC coins aren't that shiny.I don't want to get involved in any kind of illegal activity, or anything like that. Then don't; request for the full value to be listed on the package. Not a difficult thing to if you were actually interested in buying something.Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Seattle420 on March 13, 2017, 04:28:21 AM I don't know who finally edited my name out of that post, but thank you. Seattle420, if it was you, then let me know by PM and I will remove the negative rating I left you. Bare in mind that I will check that it was actually you who did it by checking with the mods of this section, so don't attempt to lie to me. To recap: *Zepher is engaging in tax fraud. *Zepher lied about ceasing to reship coins to the USA when he was called about his tax fraud *Zepher used coercion to get people to remove information he does not want posted *Zepher lied about removing the mark on my account if I edited his name from my post *Zepher says that he is not employed by BTCC, but someone else says he was offered employment by BTCC doing the same that Zepher It looks like Zepher is dishonest and a liar who I would not think is a good idea to trust. I think he has been trying to get as much reputation as possible very quickly. I know a long term con artist when I see one.... Anyhow I guess I won't be spending my money here, so see you guys later. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Seattle420 on March 13, 2017, 04:36:56 AM Also, while we're on the topic of the value, what is the full value of a loaded coin like the ones that BTCC offer? The coins are loaded with a total of 4 BTC. Zepher was selling them for a total of 4.425 BTC with free shipping. He said that he will list the value at $25 each, I guess this means $100 total. The difference between Zepher's price of 4.425 and the face value is 0.425 BTC, and at the time this was worth about $425. Should you include the value of the Bitcoins on the coin? There is no Bitcoin on the coin, since Bitcoin is not a physical entity. The loaded value of the coin is nothing but letters on a piece of paper, does that mean that the 'value' of this paper should be marked? If so, what should it be marked as? If I stuck a piece of paper containing my bank details onto a piece of metal and shipped it, does that mean that I would have to declare the amount in my bank account as the value? Let's assume that you do mark the Bitcoins as part of the value, what value would you mark it as? The value of the Bitcoin at the time you are sending it? If so, let's assume that between the UK and US borders the package gets lost for 3 months. In that 3 months, the price of 1 Bitcoin rises by $200. The person shipping that coin from the UK would then be committing tax evasion because the declared price is not the actual value of the coins loaded, correct? Now let's get onto the metal. How would you value it? As far as spot price, the titanium on a BTCC coin would be worth a few dollars at absolute maximum. Do you include the workmanship put into the coin? If so, who's to value the workmanship put into that coin? BTCC values it at about 0.15BTC, which has the same problem as I mentioned previously with BTC. Also, what if I (or the person shipping it) thinks the workmanship is worth more/less? Your logic is wrong, and is contradictory to the law anyway. Zepher knows what he is doing is wrong because he is saying that the coins might get seized by customs. I don't want to get involved in any kind of illegal activity, or anything like that. Then don't; request for the full value to be listed on the package. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on March 13, 2017, 06:11:45 AM Wake me up once you post from your main account. Then this may be worth responding to. Some of us are well informed about long term BTCTT con artists, self escrowing and such. ::)
*Zepher says that he is not employed by BTCC, but someone else says he was offered employment by BTCC doing the same that Zepher Someone else also says I'm satoshi. :DTitle: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on March 13, 2017, 01:43:37 PM I don't know who finally edited my name out of that post, but thank you. Seattle420, if it was you, then let me know by PM and I will remove the negative rating I left you. Bare in mind that I will check that it was actually you who did it by checking with the mods of this section, so don't attempt to lie to me. Can we see this PM please? Because you most certainly didn't PM and ask me to remove the tag because you had edited out my name. You didn't do it, so I don't see why I should remove the tag. To recap: *Zepher is engaging in tax fraud. *Zepher lied about ceasing to reship coins to the USA when he was called about his tax fraud *Zepher used coercion to get people to remove information he does not want posted *Zepher lied about removing the mark on my account if I edited his name from my post *Zepher says that he is not employed by BTCC, but someone else says he was offered employment by BTCC doing the same that Zepher It looks like Zepher is dishonest and a liar who I would not think is a good idea to trust. I think he has been trying to get as much reputation as possible very quickly. Anyhow I guess I won't be spending my money here, so see you guys later. I am not going to answer all your bullshit, and I am not going to repeat what I have already posted regarding the shipping of coins internationally. Are you just dumb, or do you have selective memory? I have not done any USA reships since posting that thread. Please note that selling my own coins is not reshipping. Get that clear, okay? Idiot. Yes, I was offered employment by BTCC, and I personally declined the offer. Feel free to contact them and ask if this is the case, these words serve as my permission for them to answer - if they'll give you the time of day that is. Interesting that you obtained that information though, I only told a couple of people. Thanks for letting me know. You are doing your best to drag my name through the mud here, and all you are doing is making yourself look more delusional than you usually do. Seriously, get a life. I know a long term con artist when I see one.... I am known in real life by a couple of upstanding, reputable forum members. I have been entrusted with hundreds of thousands of dollars of others' money, and have never let anyone down. If you hadn't noticed, I have actually pretty much stopped trading on this forum due to assholes like you, who take the fun out of everything. I have better things to do with my time. Now, I suggest you find something to do that you are good at, like account farming and self escrowing. And please post from your main account next time. Thanks Edit: but someone else says he was offered employment by BTCC doing the same that Zepher was is doing, only to have his employment offer taken away after he told Zepher about this offer Now I have read that a couple of times, I realise that I had read it wrong to begin with. Lol, really?? I know of no one else who was offered employment by BTCC. I was, and I declined as I have already stated. Interesting info though.... Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: minifrij on March 13, 2017, 05:31:10 PM snip You didn't answer my question, and in general you made a pretty confusing post.The difference between Zepher's price of 4.425 and the face value is 0.425 BTC, and at the time this was worth about $425. So is this what you think the proper declared value of the parcel would be? In which case, would you not then be incorrectly declaring value due to the loaded BTC on the coin (of which makes up the majority of all value)? If we are not counting the Bitcoin loaded onto the coin, then why should anything other than the metal's spot price be declared? What's to stop someone else valuing said coin higher and shouting about tax fraud as you are now? Your logic is wrong, and is contradictory to the law anyway. I fail to see how, care to explain?Zepher knows what he is doing is wrong because he is saying that the coins might get seized by customs. That is because a certain someone may or may not have sent a tip off to said customs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1778912.msg17750154#msg17750154). Not that you'd know anything about that.Also, even if he marked his BTCC coins as $25 each there would be no reason for customs to seize the coins. The coins have no face value (in USD or any other FIAT currency) and are essentially just a hunk of metal with a sticker on it to anyone unsure on how physical bitcoins work. I think you just contradicted yourself bro :) I don't think I did bro :)You said that you didn't want to engage in any 'illegal activity', or at least what you considered to be as such. I suggested that you didn't, and instead request for the 'full value' of the coins to be marked on the shipping (whatever you and/or Zepher decide that may be). Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Rmcdermott927 on March 14, 2017, 10:27:07 PM Also, while we're on the topic of the value, what is the full value of a loaded coin like the ones that BTCC offer? The coins are loaded with a total of 4 BTC. Zepher was selling them for a total of 4.425 BTC with free shipping. He said that he will list the value at $25 each, I guess this means $100 total. The difference between Zepher's price of 4.425 and the face value is 0.425 BTC, and at the time this was worth about $425. Should you include the value of the Bitcoins on the coin? There is no Bitcoin on the coin, since Bitcoin is not a physical entity. The loaded value of the coin is nothing but letters on a piece of paper, does that mean that the 'value' of this paper should be marked? If so, what should it be marked as? If I stuck a piece of paper containing my bank details onto a piece of metal and shipped it, does that mean that I would have to declare the amount in my bank account as the value? Let's assume that you do mark the Bitcoins as part of the value, what value would you mark it as? The value of the Bitcoin at the time you are sending it? If so, let's assume that between the UK and US borders the package gets lost for 3 months. In that 3 months, the price of 1 Bitcoin rises by $200. The person shipping that coin from the UK would then be committing tax evasion because the declared price is not the actual value of the coins loaded, correct? Now let's get onto the metal. How would you value it? As far as spot price, the titanium on a BTCC coin would be worth a few dollars at absolute maximum. Do you include the workmanship put into the coin? If so, who's to value the workmanship put into that coin? BTCC values it at about 0.15BTC, which has the same problem as I mentioned previously with BTC. Also, what if I (or the person shipping it) thinks the workmanship is worth more/less? Your logic is wrong, and is contradictory to the law anyway. Zepher knows what he is doing is wrong because he is saying that the coins might get seized by customs. I don't want to get involved in any kind of illegal activity, or anything like that. Then don't; request for the full value to be listed on the package. The biggest question is, why do you care what zepher does and why is this still going on? It's an old dead issue, everyone should just ignore responses from the alt army. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Vod on March 15, 2017, 07:27:59 AM It's an old dead issue, everyone should just ignore responses from the alt army. I have no idea why Legendary members respect these newbie alt accounts enough to reply to them. If they don't have the guts to post with their main account, their words mean nothing. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on August 04, 2017, 04:45:02 AM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades.
For those who can read the Wall Street Journal, here is a very interesting and relevant editorial --> https://www.wsj.com/articles/critics-try-to-smear-trumps-election-integrity-commission-1501709170 (pay wall) I would avoid doing any kind of business with Zepher after seeing his reaction to this thread. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on August 04, 2017, 06:44:07 AM I would avoid doing any kind of business with Zepher after seeing his reaction to this thread. Why would someone care what a , proven, scammer thinks? ::)Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on August 04, 2017, 10:41:05 AM I would avoid doing any kind of business with Zepher after seeing his reaction to this thread. Why would someone care what a , proven, scammer thinks? ::)that's classic - the least trusted person on the forum advising people not to deal with one of the most trusted.. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: minifrij on August 04, 2017, 11:07:36 AM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on August 04, 2017, 11:26:02 AM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Also I require the tracking details from the package, and any documents you submitted on your tax forms to back up this trade. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on August 05, 2017, 01:02:17 PM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Also I require the tracking details from the package, and any documents you submitted on your tax forms to back up this trade. Further, please sign a message from every address you have ever posted on this forum, and include a sample of your DNA too. Only upon verification of everything above shall we deem that specific trade to be legit. :-* Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on August 05, 2017, 02:49:20 PM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Also I require the tracking details from the package, and any documents you submitted on your tax forms to back up this trade. Further, please sign a message from every address you have ever posted on this forum, and include a sample of your DNA too. Only upon verification of everything above shall we deem that specific trade to be legit. :-* One more thing, can we have the measurement of your penis/vagina? Circumference and length if penis, how many sharpies/ measurement on chopsticks if vagina... oh one more thing, QS and OG are both cunts Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: minifrij on August 09, 2017, 01:40:40 AM Unfortunately, it seems that Quickseller does not like it when people even ask questions about his trades.
I would avoid doing any kind of business with Quickseller after seeing his lack of reaction to this thread. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on August 09, 2017, 01:50:48 PM Unfortunately, it seems that Quickseller does not like it when people even ask questions about his trades. Yea too bad there is no basis for that statement. I didn't go around getting multiple people to leave you a negative rating when you asked, sending a message to anyone else who might ask in the future. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on October 17, 2017, 03:20:05 PM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Also I require the tracking details from the package, and any documents you submitted on your tax forms to back up this trade. Further, please sign a message from every address you have ever posted on this forum, and include a sample of your DNA too. Only upon verification of everything above shall we deem that specific trade to be legit. :-* One more thing, can we have the measurement of your penis/vagina? Circumference and length if penis, how many sharpies/ measurement on chopsticks if vagina... oh one more thing, QS and OG are both cunts oi QS ---- still waiting for your penis/Vag measurement... a few of us really want to know how many sharpies go inside your arse hole as well.. I will not be silenced by you ignoring me - I demand proof of how big of an arse hole you really have! Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 17, 2017, 03:24:26 PM Unfortunately, it seems that Zepher and many of his friends do not like it when people even ask questions about Zepher's trades. I notice that you have a trade with xetsr for cash in the mail (https://i.imgur.com/exDXpeu.png). The risked amount is 4BTC, and there is no reference. Due to this, I don't think that this trade happened and is a result of you farming trust with your buddies in an attempt to cover up your self escrow scandal.In order to prove this isn't the case I require arbitrary proof of the transaction so that I can make a fair judgement about you (this is completely irrelevant to absolutely everything, and serves no purpose whatsoever). Please give me the TXid along with proof that you own the address(es) that received the BTC. Also I require the tracking details from the package, and any documents you submitted on your tax forms to back up this trade. Further, please sign a message from every address you have ever posted on this forum, and include a sample of your DNA too. Only upon verification of everything above shall we deem that specific trade to be legit. :-* One more thing, can we have the measurement of your penis/vagina? Circumference and length if penis, how many sharpies/ measurement on chopsticks if vagina... oh one more thing, QS and OG are both cunts oi QS ---- still waiting for your penis/Vag measurement... a few of us really want to know how many sharpies go inside your arse hole as well.. I will not be silenced by you ignoring me - I demand proof of how big of an arse hole you really have! ...and that's what we call a 10 week bump. Happy 10th Week, QS :D Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on October 17, 2017, 03:43:03 PM Happy 10th week bro.... how many trades have we done since this kiddy porn lover went on the attack?
i've lost count - maybe we should go through them all and send some proof to QS... what you say? Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 18, 2017, 09:02:52 AM Happy 10th week bro.... how many trades have we done since this kiddy porn lover went on the attack? i've lost count - maybe we should go through them all and send some proof to QS... what you say? I think I have lost count as well. Time for an audit, maybe? :P Btw, it appears that QS is not in the mood for fun and games. Pity that. :( Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: TMAN on October 18, 2017, 05:16:29 PM Happy 10th week bro.... how many trades have we done since this kiddy porn lover went on the attack? i've lost count - maybe we should go through them all and send some proof to QS... what you say? I think I have lost count as well. Time for an audit, maybe? :P Btw, it appears that QS is not in the mood for fun and games. Pity that. :( I think I have hit a nerve.... putting the evidence together I belive QS is male and has a micro penis... and has a penchant for giant arse dildo's.. it's the only reason he wouldn't answer Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: OgNasty on October 26, 2017, 08:28:38 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)...
Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 26, 2017, 08:38:44 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... Come on, why is that? Let's hear it. I really wish you wouldn't drag me into your drama Og. I have loads of people who will back me up in saying that I have absolutely nothing to do with this drama between you and TMAN. Then yesterday you PM me accusing me of being involved - yet you cannot provide any proof whatsoever, and choose to tell me "I hope you get help" - and I was forced to block your messages going forward. I have no idea what you want from me, I certainly want nothing from you. Leave me out of this. I am not going to ask again. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: OgNasty on October 26, 2017, 09:03:37 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... Come on, why is that? Let's hear it. If you'd like me to provide you the evidence tying your name and address to TMAN, I'd be happy to do so privately. I'm open to the possibility that TMAN has been lying for nearly a year in an attempt to frame you for his future misdoings. Lets work together to figure out who here is a liar. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 26, 2017, 09:29:37 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... Come on, why is that? Let's hear it. If you'd like me to provide you the evidence tying your name and address to TMAN, I'd be happy to do so privately. I'm open to the possibility that TMAN has been lying for nearly a year in an attempt to frame you for his future misdoings. Lets work together to figure out who here is a liar. I would much rather discuss this in public, so everyone can see it. I do not want my name and address published for the world to see, that much should be clear. Apart from that, whatever you have to show me, you can show me right here. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: OgNasty on October 26, 2017, 10:18:26 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... Come on, why is that? Let's hear it. If you'd like me to provide you the evidence tying your name and address to TMAN, I'd be happy to do so privately. I'm open to the possibility that TMAN has been lying for nearly a year in an attempt to frame you for his future misdoings. Lets work together to figure out who here is a liar. I would much rather discuss this in public, so everyone can see it. I do not want my name and address published for the world to see, that much should be clear. Apart from that, whatever you have to show me, you can show me right here. I'm not going to post the link I received to TMAN's dox. That isn't right. I don't want to dox you or TMAN or anyone for that matter. I'm not evil and I'm not touching that information with a 10-foot pole. See how I don't even use his name? I guess if people want to choose to believe TMAN is an outstanding honest guy at this point, and you are an innocent reshipper/escrow agent for him, that's fine with me. I've said my piece. Good luck to you. I honestly hope you're just an innocent victim of TMAN's lies alongside me and that one day we can figure out a way to bond over our mutual interests instead of fighting for years over who had what opinion about an anonymous manipulated auction's price. EDIT: I don’t want to keep bumping this topic. The auction I’m talking about is the one where I said I agreed with Blazed that the item was overpriced. Supposedly that is why TMAN has dedicated months of his life to attacking me. I think his motivations are more sinister, but I’ll let others speculate on why he does what he does. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Lauda on October 26, 2017, 10:33:31 PM I guess if people want to choose to believe TMAN is an outstanding honest guy at this point, and you are an innocent reshipper/escrow agent for him, that's fine with me. I've said my piece. Good luck to you. I honestly hope you're just an innocent victim of TMAN's lies alongside me and that one day we can figure out a way to bond over our mutual interests instead of fighting for years over who had what opinion about an anonymous manipulated auction's price. I don't see a reason to believe otherwise. I take it that whatever you've received, if not received by someone you know, was sent by one of Quickseller's alts. Its as legitimate as the DOX/SWAT threats that I've received a few months ago. QS is the root cause of most evil on this forum, and sharing/keeping DOX is a classic move by him so that he can privately attack the relevant party if they attempt to "misbehave". Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 26, 2017, 10:38:45 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... Come on, why is that? Let's hear it. If you'd like me to provide you the evidence tying your name and address to TMAN, I'd be happy to do so privately. I'm open to the possibility that TMAN has been lying for nearly a year in an attempt to frame you for his future misdoings. Lets work together to figure out who here is a liar. I would much rather discuss this in public, so everyone can see it. I do not want my name and address published for the world to see, that much should be clear. Apart from that, whatever you have to show me, you can show me right here. I'm not going to post the link I received to TMAN's dox. That isn't right. I don't want to dox you or TMAN or anyone for that matter. I'm not evil and I'm not touching that information with a 10-foot pole. See how I don't even use his name? I guess if people want to choose to believe TMAN is an outstanding honest guy at this point, and you are an innocent reshipper/escrow agent for him, that's fine with me. I've said my piece. Good luck to you. I honestly hope you're just an innocent victim of TMAN's lies alongside me and that one day we can figure out a way to bond over our mutual interests instead of fighting for years over who had what opinion about an anonymous manipulated auction's price. That's perfectly fine, I wouldn't have been too impressed had you posted someone's dox. Let me clear one thing up here. I am not anyone's "agent". I work for myself. That's not to say that I haven't done people favours and reshipped stuff for them, because I have, and I sometimes still do. I still genuinely have no idea what you are referring to here though ??? The last time I reshipped something for TMAN was several months ago. I went to China at the beginning of this month, before that I had taken a decent break from this forum. The gap in my post history will reflect that. There were several reasons for this. First off, I had worn myself out by living on US time for too many months, and I was not getting enough sleep each night. It was starting to affect my health so I decided to take a break, a much needed one. On top of that I was also downright frustrated with all the shit and drama that always seems to happen around here. Hell, had I not taken a break, I might have left for good. This place can really wear you down after a while. In respect to the topic at hand, it has been months since I have done a reship for TMAN as mentioned above. The times I have reshipped in the past was because TMAN was having international packages returned to him without them even leaving the country. So I offered to let him ship said items to me, which I then forwarded on to whomever had bought them. I have also, on a couple of occasions, received stuff to my address in the UK, which I then forwarded to TMAN's address in Bulgaria. As for this auction you are referring to, I need you to fill me in on that as well, because I don't have a clue which one you are on about. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Quickseller on October 27, 2017, 05:58:42 AM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... I agree. Zepher is a very sketchy person. He is not someone I would trust. Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: aTriz on October 27, 2017, 06:40:33 AM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... I agree. Zepher is a very sketchy person. He is not someone I would trust. You can't talk Trust: -242: -8 / +14 Warning: Trade with extreme caution! Ignore Title: Re: Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades Post by: Zepher on October 27, 2017, 12:33:37 PM This thread is much more interesting to me after the recent turn of events (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316485.msg23585366#msg23585366)... I agree. Zepher is a very sketchy person. He is not someone I would trust. Haha!! Is that the best you can come up with, QuickScammer? ;D |
