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i know satoshi dice, and many other dice games uses sha256, traceable and provable fair.

but that's not important. the important thing is there is a banker in this game, the banker has a motivation to win, so no matter how hard he prove the result is fair, it's meaningless.

I think the fairest betting is palm up palm down, no banker, only players. 

is dice game, you can find house edge under 1%
but is the best fairly, bitcoin gambling you can playing sportbetting
or poker and blackjack player vs player

numbers and codes wouldn't lie , but those people who write the numbers and codes are the only one who can lie that makes the game not fair . any games that has provably fair and verified should be the fairest games, the problem are people who get lost would never accept the fact that they are lost and always blame it on the game , people should start to gamble responsibly. however my favorite game that i think fair enough is a live dealer games.

i think there is only small site that really fair in gambling because the main purpose of gambling site is to get much of profit from the gamblers. and if we do playing gambling, then we should know the risk and we should know when we need to stop or continue to played. without doing this, no matter if the site is fairly, we can not win much of money and we can loss money that we have. so i think, when we are playing gambling, we need to thinking more about how much we can spend our money and avoid our loses in long term.

Sha256 string is provided by most of the dice sites to prove that they don't modify the results after you place bet. All results are pre-generated and a encrypted string is shown to players so they can verify the results afterwards. This however doesn't guarantee that house will not make any profit, house will always make profit with house edge on long term and in short terms house always wins due to greed of players. 

Sorry, I don't get it. Who cares either a banker has a motivation to win or not since a game is provably fair? His motivation changes nothing. What he can do though is to set a house edge, but I think if he operates a gambling site with decent design and 24/7 support he just can't survive without a house edge. So it's up to players to decide whether they want to spend their time in a nice environment accepting a banker and his house edge or they want to play one on one without any additional features but also without any additional pay, but it has nothing to do with fairness.

I think most fairest game is rock paper scissors lizard spock player vs player - in live. You can bet if you like.

0% rake poker or sports betting since you can gain an actual edge.  Other than that if you want to gamble for fun any of the long term established BTC sites are decent.

Dice is of course any day the most trusted. The other one maybe blackjack or maybe lottery. Reason for blackjack is most of the times i win in it and lottery basically depends on amount of tickets purchased. I feel sports betting is also fair but that is different type of gambling.

How can you say his motivation changes nothing ? It changes everything !! Who says the house edge is what they banker says it is. I don't understand how you can read something completely logical then argue with it. What are you even telling about the house edge for ? Do you know what is going on ? Pvp is always better because it's against another player you lose to then then the bank takes 1% from the winner.

I think you are confused as what ever you said is correct but just check the highlighted one you are telling that in long term house edge is making profit and same you are telling in short term house always wins due to greedy of players. How can in short term gambling becomes greedy, it should be like this that if any site is going down or in loss it is due to that their are some players who are playing for short term and as soon as they are in profit they just withdraw and go away so this way only the house edge are in loss, because in long term only mainly they are in profit. Because greediness comes only when in short term you start to earn and then you start to play for long and here you start to lose it.

There are tons of fair bitcoin gambling games here like crypto-games, luckybit, bustabit, bitkong, bitsler, fastbets and many more.  As long as you can verify your own bet, the game is fair for me.

I think the house could still win in the short term if their players are having a bad luck. There's always no gurantee of making profit in the short term as the game is so random you could lose right away in your first couple of dice rolls.

Well, i played dice games in all my gambling games and still i can say its really important to me and i know its traceable and provable fair that what i like about it and also dice game is profitable to me its not that hard and you can't really get scammed by the game itself and surely you will play fair and win fair..

there is no such thing as "banker" in gambling that you keep naming it, i wish you explained what you mean. and i believe Dice is the fairest game out there. you can never cheat it and not get caught as the house. but in other games like poker for example, as the house, you can easily cheat your players and nobody can ever find out!

and please keep in mind that being fair doesn't mean you should always win or make profit.

I think what he trying to say about banker is a third party provider that takes benefit.
In a provably fair games such as dice , blackjack and any other table games exclude poker.
Where the third party 'banker' take some percentage as their benefit from the game from the players.

Already gambling websites have been programmed in such a manner to get good profit from the​users. Again the bad luck of the users gives more profit for the gambling house. An example for this is the recent days popularity of gambling websites as well the profit they've made.

Op, if you are so deeply worried about possible exploits in provably fair system dice sites and bitcoin casinos are using why don't you try sport betting?
There is no way that bookmaker will cheat you in any way, at least not when it comes to determine if your bet was won or not.

And so you know, poker sites are still taking part of your money when you play. It is still business.

I only prefer to gamble on sports so I think sports betting is the fairest place to invest your money as if you have good strategy and skills then you can expect some profits from it and it is not based purely on luck unlike casino games.

Sports betting the best and fairest bitcoin betting I know from the start the odds are pretty good and always fair when you are in advance of betting then you could see how it works I only prefer to gamble when basketball are good NBA is one of the most favorite bets I always go for.

I like to play at bitvest.io and I like playamo which is where I have won many times. Otherwise it all feels shady, but that is probably paranoid sounding.  Casinos are profitable mostly for the casino. 

Agreed, than the Casinos and other slot games sports betting is better in terms of provably fair. Though the odds were generated with certain house edge, we can make a winning with the prior betting and then taking part when the match goes live. Mine is tennis as it gives increased winning chances.

Sports betting is by the fairest gambling that i know off,since almost all of the gambling sites have a house edge and you really could not predict whether you will be winning or not but when it comes to sports the results are publicly available and the house cannot manipulate anything,so i consider them as the fairest way to gamble.

sportsbetting rarely get fixed , so it could be the fairest game but considering the edge are so flexible sometimes could as high as slots and sometimes could have so low edge depends on an events, i will choose the annoying dice game with its constant edge at 1% or lower.

the problem are on how you can always verify your game , will you do it everytime you roll it? it is not necessarry but always makes curious isn't it?

Hard to say, I do recall playing in a 0.10% house edge game, but it did not last long probably because that edge is profitable, Sportsbetting is the closest to fair though, as everything is done on a global scale and not a dice nudge in a closed script.. SB juice is 5-10 and still some players are making decent profit from them.

Honestly I don't understand about it but I try to believe it when playing the dice game even though there arises mind disbelief with the results I get when I experience defeat but no one can prove it.

Doubts cant really be removed on our minds regarding on dice results even those gambling sites do really show some seeds or hashes on each bet but I do confidently like to play on those sites rather than have nothing to show off. No one could really prove it when we do suffer lose on playing dice knowing that these type of games does really require extreme luck for you to be profitable.

If you're looking for a fair game, go for poker vs other real players or sports betting.
Other games will always have an house edge, which will lower your chances to win especially in the long term betting

So far so good, my bet will still be on sport betting because in that case, winning or losing is not determined by the site but the players and it can easily be determined if any site wants to cheat or not. All I need is just to check live scores on Google anytime during the match which does not even need my attention then I go back to check if my winnings have been credited or losses has been deducted not more than that.

That is true , player vs player based games is the most comfortable game to play without worry get cheated.
I mean there is still possibility the game operated shady but it is not as huge as any other games right?
I will say agree with you poker should be the fairest game for anyone.

I would regard any site as "fair" regardless of what their actual house edge is.

Most Bitcoin gambling sites have a very similar house edge or fee - somewhere between 0.5% and 1%, some of which is often distributed to bankroll investors.

The only thing that would make me consider a site fair is whether it's literally provably fair.  If a site has that, it's fair.  Period.

I agree poker is the first one that I've thought upon reading the question of OP. There's no house advantage included if you will play against with other poker players. Dice games, sports betting and other luck based games are depending and giving the house much advantage so the closest one is only poker and that's for me.

I do not know what you mean, it is obvious casinos open their business to win money they are not charities, however it is very important to prove they are not cheating their players and changing results after the fact that is why they prove they are probably fair and anyone can test their claims to be true or not, in fact before you play with any big amount of money in any casino you should do it.

You share a common misunderstanding that "the house always wins" because casino operators somehow cheat, but this is not true, you are right that casinos exist for profit, but they are earning it in a very transparent way, they have the house edge, which means that you have slightly less chances to win and slightly more chances to lose. Also they have a limit on maximum bet which prevents someone with a huge amount of money to quickly win and quit. I believe that it's totally fair, it can be considered as a payment for opportunity to gamble, after all running a casino requires some spendings - server costs, marketing, developing and maintenance, staff, etc.

in my opinion is a sportsbetting because there is no program here is very difficult to cheat especially if big match. but if you're really looking for a fair game I'd rather have a player vs player like poker maybe.

only in sportsbetting the word fair can be connected in gambling since we can do analysis and theres a basis on what to bet.

well its been known that results in sports events can be manipulated by big dogs though I agree, in general, sports betting is generally fair compared to other gambling games. also poker and other pvp card games are better as the results of thr opponent won't be from the house you're betting against

I really think all gambling sites are fair enough to me, you are just losing so much because of your deduction towards gambling, you are thinking the wrong way what gambling can do to you whenever you are thinking in profiting in it, and getting something from it when you just play a bet, I really think that gambling is fair enough because it just works as random for every player and your luck is the only base in winning it, there is no such thing as not fair in gambling all of them are just fair enough because they work just like that except for some scam gambling sites!

Nope, all gambling sites are not fair enough. But most of the gambling sites those who got a good name in online gambling they all fair in online gambling. Here winning is not depends on your strategy and plans it just depends your luck. I agree that sports betting is far better than casino games. But still, we need the luck to win our bet in sports betting.

maybe its fair enough if we can win big amount but not too often because if we can win too often, the site can not get profit. i think we can see that there is many gambling sites have fair bitcoin betting game and this site have good recommended for us to playing the games. the site you mention, i think its a good site and i am sure there are many member have been played in that site. i think its not about fair betting games, but its about how our luck can work. if our luck is not work, so no matter the sites is fair, we still can not win the games.

Hey OP, if you are not ready to believe into provably fair system, I suggest some new altcoin project which is coming with edgeless gambling model. They are having their own specific altcoin for gambling purposes. We all need to buy that altcoin for gambling with them hence it will be possible for them to provide us gambling for zero house edge.

When there will be no house edge, I believe we do not need to suspect their fairness.

Just a point, Yes the house does try to win but the meaning of the provability fairness is that the host can't cheat, the odds of winning and losing are what is written there "that's how I understand it"
There are few PvP games around, but surprisingly don't gain allot of popularity, mainly because no one wants to wait for another player before the game starts hence prefer the dice/casino games allowing one to play directly with the gambling site.

If you're talking about strictly fair, without anyone having to prove anything, then you want to consider betting exchanges and taking lay bets. Basically this just means you're betting against someone else. Your odds, your selections.

House-edge wise, 999 has the smallest dice house edge, crypto-games has a positive EV lotto and kingdice has a PVP betting game.

Knowing that theres no house edge is would really be a fair game since we wont be bothered that site/house is cheating on us on every bets but thats seems too impossible to consider knowing that gambling houses do really demand or set up houseedge because on this way they do make profits. We cant really remove on our minds that they might cheating on us on every play we make.

The fairest one are those blockchain based games. Since no one really can predict it. Then there are those games that have only one result for the whole community of gamblers. People can just compare their results and have all the same result since there is only one.

With bitcoin you can gambling only online. And after a line of nonstop loose I think there is no any fair place to gamble on the net. I usually play poker and this days I have a feeling like there is a site's bot on every table who has some silly cards and to whom always fell good card in the end or the color.
It's like when I have in hands like Ace and King and some one who replied on all my raising or raised himself has in hands Five and Nine - and it appear 4 cards which have no meaning for both of us and the last card will be Nine and he has a pair and I nothing...

What do you mean by blockchain based games ? You mean bitcoin related games ?
Sports betting is the most fair one i think as other games like Dice etc has house-edge a determining factor for the fairness of the game.

In case you don't know, well looks like you don't, there are games that are based on the blockchain. This means that the results of the bet are based on the hash of the predetermined block. For example, you bet that block # 123123123 will have it's last hash with the letter "c" then you will win the bet. Quite frankly, there are a lot of this games.

All gambling games are fair, no? There is a rule, players know about it and play at own risk. Fair deal for both parts, gamblers accept the terms even knowing they can lose on long term. I think there isn't any unfair gambling game...

Actually theres no unfair gambling games the only thing here that there are unfair gambling sites that do have this gambling games and as you said gamblers do accept the terms on every gambling site they do play which we cant really make a word or complaint later on when we are losing out our money because gambling is design on this way. Fairest gambling game is on peer to peer without the house which do give edges on each game.

Indeed everytime we play inside the house we are taking the risk and we accept the fact that a poosibility to lose are present as long as we continue playing we did believe that the site or house is fair unless we seen direct cheating coming from the site itself but its really have to find obvious cheating since gambling business was design to have an edge against its players.

No doubt that the gambling games are much simple in every gambling casino sites but here you should take care that the house edge factor is also playing a important role to decrease the chances of your win .
So instead of the casino where dice and teen pati or black jack like games happening .My suggestion is for everyone just look at least at the gambling in the sports games , I am sure that every person in this world has interest atleast in one game of the sports .
So if you have better experience in the gambling prediction then you can make earnings in the big amounts because all win and loss will depend upon your prediction .
Usually I am a gambler of the cloudbet.com and nitrogensports.eu where I can make gambling with my favourite game cricket .

There is no fair in gambling. It all about take your own risk. And there is a rule and the players must know it. In bitcoin you can gambling online. Every spin might double your money or triple your money . But if you earn a lot then you should stop. Because winning is good in the feeling but if you know your losing, quit as much as you can.

Yes you are right but there are not many blockchain based games available and few games we have right now can't provide enough excitement like others. Most of them use bitcoin blocks so they are slow and nobody wants to wait for 10 minutes+ or even a hour to place another bet.

Vdice.io is out there that is actually ETH smart contract based game and really fast, I really like them and may be we will see more games based on these smart contracts which will be fairer than usual probably fair games we have in normal bitcoin casino.

Not just in gambling and not just due to bitcoin based systems, everywhere the fairness of a system must be ensured so that people will prefer joining there. You cannot simply climb that there is no fair in gambling. If it is so, there could be no such gambling industry could survive till date. There are many fairly dealing gambling sites and also they are providing many facilities to cross check their fairness.

On the other hand, gambling is always have big risks and we need to accept that to deal with it. But it does not mean the system does not have any fairness.

Indeed those games are awesome like luckybit but the problem now a days is the transaction fees is just too much to continue playing these games. But yes, if talking only about fairness they are the most fair game. I used to love a game called satoshinonce or something because there we can bet and see the nonce on the block, simple as that.

not online in gambling but almost everywhere there is risk involve, you if you want to make money from trading, gambling or from investment you must take the risk, specially in gambling when we play gambling under house we have accept the edge of the house which is some time much more as from normal that we cannot consider it as fair game. some time we even face more problems when playing gambling online.

I agree with you . In the gambling game we have the same chance in every game. Nothing is easy and nothing is hard. The winning factor in the game is luck, when you have no luck then we will not be able to take advantage.

No, house edge is not synonymous with fairness, a casino may not have a house edge but they may still be shady about the way they manage their business and may try to take advantage of players, this is why before playing we need to check the reputation of the site so we know whether or not the casino is a trustable site where we can gamble our money.

For me it is sports betting, I know its not a game but really that is the most fair and easy to bet on sort of gambling.

Apart from sports betting I believe any dice game that is provably fair is fair to me since I can verify my rolls and always make sure I got the fair result.
But even though we can verify all the bets, do we actually verify ? NO , hence for me sports betting is the best one !

Not all the games are fair mate, I mean you see the slots games of various sites and you will see mostly people loose their since the slots cannot be verified. I think any game is fair where either the result is publicly televisioned like the local lotteries and the other games that I feel fair are where the result is given by 3rd part for example the blockchain based games where the blockchain is the 3rd party.

Peerbet used to have a no house edge user vs user provable game, not sure if that's still there after all the changes the website has gone through but it sure was nice. The downside was that in order to bet you'd either have to create a raffle or match someone else's.

You haven't played blockchain based games ? He actually meant chain based games. Suppose a block XXXX is mined and we have betted on the total sum of the digits available in the block's has will be more than YY.5 or under that. In such games the house cannot cheat at all since they cannot make a impact on the result and neither we can, like in dice we can directly influence the bet result by changing client seed.

That's a whole different argument, in Long run you can't beat the house that's how they make profit. The house will always make profit if you don't win early and big, I have seen some gamblers who won big and got greedy, lost everything again in the same game.
I too think the fairest betting is blockchain based games. It's very complicated to cheat.

In theory yes, but at the same time we need to consider different factors, as an example lets suppose that a game is announced as having a 1% edge, however after some test someone discover the game has an actual edge of 2% while the game is the same and nothing has changed a casino doing that will be seen as deceiving their players and such a game will be considered unfair.

These things will happen only when you choose to play on new casinos because they are not interested in long term business but want to make some quick bucks and close the site. If you play on a reputed sites then they never cheat you because they know that this casino business always winners are site owners. That's I never play on any new sites even though they got best promotions to play.

You are correct and this is why I think we must gamble in casinos that have shown that are reliable, obviously playing in a new casino should not be ruled out, but they must prove to the community that they are here for the long run, and are not trying to just grab as much money as they can as soon as they can and then run away with all the money.

I like to bet using Sports Betting because not only is it fair it allows that feeling of being able to win more than if I wanted to bet with another type of Betting style like Casino games (Poker, Texas Hold ‘em, Dice, etc).
The websites that feature Sports Betting are usually the ones that have the most up to date reviews and website updates because with Sports Betting the website can’t stay the same for more than 24 hours depending on what Sports are on there.

i think we can found recommended sites on here and i think its the best for us to playing only in a legit site because we can be save while we are playing gambling in that site and we don't have to be worried about getting scam or another problem. but if we only want to test the new sites, i think we can use the faucet if there are exist so we don't have to send any amount to that sites and we can trying to test and we are know if the sites is reliable or not.

Never seen that there are some betting site that has faucet but i think they are giving some few test or promo if there is new release betting sites.. the same what you are seeing in games and rounds here in gambling section where you can get almost giveaways and free bets..
But for only sports betting can give me fairest bitcoin betting any sports betting since directbet.eu was gone i am choosen nitrogen instead..

Base on your statement, you really don't believe in provably fair. So it would be also useless to explain or defend a provably fair game from a person that has a mindset like you. Imo only people that has been lose and can't accept the defeat that won't ever believe in provably fair. So if you won, it's fair. If you lose, it's not fair.

There are a lot of people who doesn't believe in provably fair just because they have experienced bad things about it. That's what I thought when I saw this post. You should have discipline in your gambling and bankroll management in order to get the best out of your gambling need. Every online casino has different house edges, you just have to choose one.

Actually probably fair game can be corrupted and give malicious result. If you are familiar on a gambler that able to cheat PD in the past. He used a trick to reveal the result of algorithm before he bet so it means that probably fair game game can be manipulated. But i'm not imposing that dice game are not legit, I'm just stating a possibility on gambling.

In my experience played gambling that be fair is bitdouble.io, i played gambling on there the amount of winners
is more much than losing money on there and i think that is fair compared with another gambling   ;D
Although the winnings in gambling games depending on my lucky but bitdouble.io has gave bitcoins
although it is just a little amount of payment.

I also believe that sport betting is more fair that other gambling games such as dice. I picked sport betting because there's no way that house will trick you just because they can't dictate the game... It is in your hand if you will win or not because all you need to do is analyze and pick the right team that you think will win.

Since we are comparing games because all of them are not fair because there is none but in the midst of worse choices, a bad one becomes the best choice and for that reason will I go for sport betting because in that the winning is not determined by whether the site wants it or not, its determined by the players in the sight of over millions of people watching how things will unfold at the same time. So, to me, its the closest to being fair.

I’m not sure what you are talking in your post are you talking about the house edge? Because if that is what you are talking about, I'm sorry to inform you that a game like dice only has 0.5% to 1% edge while most sports bets have a minimum of 3% edge for the house and that is if the market is very liquid, the edge can be enormous in unknown markets.