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Title: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Termie on June 21, 2017, 09:18:05 AM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ???
Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ivanst776 on June 21, 2017, 09:29:31 AM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... Not a good news, this demotivate me which I just bought a rig and spent thousands of dollars in that stuff. When will this hashrate drop going to happen? This cuts off the profit a lot and makes the ROI to be reached longer than I expected!!! Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 21, 2017, 09:31:35 AM Yeah, u know when the new versions are announcing, previous is losing some value
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: EastSound on June 21, 2017, 09:32:23 AM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... Is that true? I hope there will not be big change. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: no1blue on June 21, 2017, 09:33:54 AM Any confirmation yet ???
Damn I just bought a rig :( Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Mattthev on June 21, 2017, 09:42:59 AM Can anybody here use search? The topic is already here even with benchmarks...
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vaccinus on June 21, 2017, 10:47:04 AM just switch to nvidia, it's a better deal anyway now, with far better option, not only ETH, you can min e LBRY and equihash algo with better hashrate when ETH will go pos, i wonder if the new vega will be affected too by this one
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 22, 2017, 06:56:33 AM Aggree with the previous post, nvidia more stable
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: nils8107 on June 22, 2017, 07:32:43 AM Bad news indeed.
Lucky I`m running 8X GTX 1070 cards. But mining ETH will not be profitable much longer I guess. Maybe switch to other currency. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: adaseb on June 22, 2017, 09:37:58 AM Think about it this way.
You are better off buying AMD RX right now even with these small hashrate drops than you are buying NVIDIA right now which doesn't have this issue. Because by the time the hashrate drops 30%, most of us won't be mining anymore. Its better making $6/day NOW but paying half for a GPU than making a similiar amount but paying double for the NVIDIA GPU. Because by the time you ROI that NVIDIA we all will be making $0.25/day with our GPUs and the hashrate drop won't mean much. But the AMD people will come out ahead since the GPU was paid for multiple times and not the NVIDIA people. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Bothebu on June 22, 2017, 03:33:22 PM Think about it this way. You are better off buying AMD RX right now even with these small hashrate drops than you are buying NVIDIA right now which doesn't have this issue. Because by the time the hashrate drops 30%, most of us won't be mining anymore. Its better making $6/day NOW but paying half for a GPU than making a similiar amount but paying double for the NVIDIA GPU. Because by the time you ROI that NVIDIA we all will be making $0.25/day with our GPUs and the hashrate drop won't mean much. But the AMD people will come out ahead since the GPU was paid for multiple times and not the NVIDIA people. Where are you going to get an AMD RX for half the price of an nVidia card? The main vendors (amazon, newegg and bhphoto) are already gouging on the price on 1070's a bit. When the AMD cards hit the "shelves" they are going to be priced substantially higher because these companies know what they are being used for and know that people are going to pay the price to get them. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 23, 2017, 07:07:29 AM Same things happens in Russia, the price of most powerful GPU rise for about 20-30% cause of mining popularity
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Denopoly on June 23, 2017, 08:08:01 AM ....as my new rx580 are coming...if it gets bad is it a good idea to maybe switch to zcash?
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on June 23, 2017, 09:42:15 AM ....as my new rx580 are coming...if it gets bad is it a good idea to maybe switch to zcash? The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/8022/ls7jIW.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/7495/RFwE1E.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/5904/lYQF1I.png Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Yautas on June 23, 2017, 09:54:33 AM Think about it this way. You are better off buying AMD RX right now even with these small hashrate drops than you are buying NVIDIA right now which doesn't have this issue. Because by the time the hashrate drops 30%, most of us won't be mining anymore. Its better making $6/day NOW but paying half for a GPU than making a similiar amount but paying double for the NVIDIA GPU. Because by the time you ROI that NVIDIA we all will be making $0.25/day with our GPUs and the hashrate drop won't mean much. But the AMD people will come out ahead since the GPU was paid for multiple times and not the NVIDIA people. The 30% drop will happen in 20-30 EPOC, so that is just 5 months. I think ETH can still be mined then. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on June 23, 2017, 10:05:03 AM The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. Where does the huge difference on ZEC mining coming from between 1070 and rx580? At ETH a GTX 1070 has similar MH/s than the RX580 but at ZEC it has 50% more (~ 480 Sol/s). From gaming perspective they are also very similar from performance. And yes, this is a serious question as i'm interested in technical details due to my work in IT business :) Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on June 23, 2017, 10:29:24 AM The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. Where does the huge difference on ZEC mining coming from between 1070 and rx580? At ETH a GTX 1070 has similar MH/s than the RX580 but at ZEC it has 50% more (~ 480 Sol/s). From gaming perspective they are also very similar from performance. And yes, this is a serious question as i'm interested in technical details due to my work in IT business :) I think it has to do with memory clocks on the cards. AMD RX 580 clocks top out at ~2100 MHz, while Nvidia clocks run at more than 5000 MHz. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on June 23, 2017, 10:37:23 AM I think it has to do with memory clocks on the cards. AMD RX 580 clocks top out at ~2100 MHz, while Nvidia clocks run at more than 5000 MHz. so ETH requires more the core clock which is close between the cards, ZEC uses both (core + memory) and there Nvidia comes in advantage because of high memory clock. wondering if some miners could be optimized for core that AMD cards can raise their S/s. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on June 23, 2017, 10:49:53 AM I think it has to do with memory clocks on the cards. AMD RX 580 clocks top out at ~2100 MHz, while Nvidia clocks run at more than 5000 MHz. so ETH requires more the core clock which is close between the cards, ZEC uses both (core + memory) and there Nvidia comes in advantage because of high memory clock. wondering if some miners could be optimized for core that AMD cards can raise their S/s. Actually ETH runs better with a lower core clock speed compared to ZEC. It also must be something about the difference in memory architecture. My MSI 1080 Gaming X will do ~560 H/s on ZEC, but only ~25 MH/s on ETH. The difference is the 1080's use GDDR5X, while the 1070's use GDDR5 like the RX 580. The 1070's also run at a higher core clock compared to the RX 580's. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: deadsix on June 23, 2017, 11:02:34 AM I think it has to do with memory clocks on the cards. AMD RX 580 clocks top out at ~2100 MHz, while Nvidia clocks run at more than 5000 MHz. so ETH requires more the core clock which is close between the cards, ZEC uses both (core + memory) and there Nvidia comes in advantage because of high memory clock. wondering if some miners could be optimized for core that AMD cards can raise their S/s. Actually ETH runs better with a lower core clock speed compared to ZEC. It also must be something about the difference in memory architecture. My MSI 1080 Gaming X will do ~560 H/s on ZEC, but only ~25 MH/s on ETH. The difference is the 1080's use GDDR5X, while the 1070's use GDDR5 like the RX 580. The 1070's also run at a higher core clock compared to the RX 580's. ZEC is core count and speed dependent so Nvidia does better at it. ETH is memory bandwidth and speed dependent and so AMD's lower core count/speed does not impact it much. The memory numbers you see reported as 7000 or 8000mhz are just 4x of the actual memory clocks of 1750-2000mhz. Both AMD and NVIDIA use essentially the same GDDR5 memory - similar chips similar clocks. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on June 23, 2017, 11:17:53 AM I think it has to do with memory clocks on the cards. AMD RX 580 clocks top out at ~2100 MHz, while Nvidia clocks run at more than 5000 MHz. so ETH requires more the core clock which is close between the cards, ZEC uses both (core + memory) and there Nvidia comes in advantage because of high memory clock. wondering if some miners could be optimized for core that AMD cards can raise their S/s. Actually ETH runs better with a lower core clock speed compared to ZEC. It also must be something about the difference in memory architecture. My MSI 1080 Gaming X will do ~560 H/s on ZEC, but only ~25 MH/s on ETH. The difference is the 1080's use GDDR5X, while the 1070's use GDDR5 like the RX 580. The 1070's also run at a higher core clock compared to the RX 580's. ZEC is core count and speed dependent so Nvidia does better at it. ETH is memory bandwidth and speed dependent and so AMD's lower core count/speed does not impact it much. The memory numbers you see reported as 7000 or 8000mhz are just 4x of the actual memory clocks of 1750-2000mhz. Both AMD and NVIDIA use essentially the same GDDR5X memory - similar chips similar clocks. The RX 4XX/5XX use GDDR5, same as the Nvidia 1060/1070's. The Nvidia 1080/1080ti's use GDDR5X memory, which is different than GDDR5. Quote In January 2016, JEDEC standardized GDDR5X SGRAM.[2] GDDR5X targets a transfer rate of 10 to 14 Gbit/s per pin, twice that of GDDR5.[3] Essentially, it provides the memory controller the option to use either a double data rate mode that has a prefetch of 8n, or a quad data rate mode that has a prefetch of 16n.[4] GDDR5 only has a double data rate mode that has an 8n prefetch.[5] GDDR5X also uses 190 pins per chip; (190 BGA).[4] By comparison, standard GDDR5 has 170 pins per chip; (170 BGA).[5] It therefore requires a modified PCB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5_SDRAM Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: deadsix on June 23, 2017, 12:44:41 PM ZEC is core count and speed dependent so Nvidia does better at it. ETH is memory bandwidth and speed dependent and so AMD's lower core count/speed does not impact it much. The memory numbers you see reported as 7000 or 8000mhz are just 4x of the actual memory clocks of 1750-2000mhz. Both AMD and NVIDIA use essentially the same GDDR5X memory - similar chips similar clocks. No, AMD does not use GDDR5X - they're using GDDR5, and will be moving to HBM(2) instead.My bad, I meant GDDR5, not GDDR5X. Edited it now. The RX 4XX/5XX use GDDR5, same as the Nvidia 1060/1070's. The Nvidia 1080/1080ti's use GDDR5X memory, which is different than GDDR5. Thats correct, so what I essentially meant was Rx 470/480/570/580 and GTX 1060/1070 use the same/similar memory. Which brings us to the question - why is GDDR5X worse than GDDR5 at mining performance? Is it because none of the miner code is written to effectively utilise the faster prefetch? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jmigdlc99 on June 24, 2017, 01:44:27 AM Which brings us to the question - why is GDDR5X worse than GDDR5 at mining performance? Is it because none of the miner code is written to effectively utilise the faster prefetch? Huh what makes makes you say GDDR5X is worse than GDDR5? My 1080TI GDDR5X is hashing faster than any of my GDDR5 GPUs. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: adaseb on June 24, 2017, 02:42:25 AM Think about it this way. You are better off buying AMD RX right now even with these small hashrate drops than you are buying NVIDIA right now which doesn't have this issue. Because by the time the hashrate drops 30%, most of us won't be mining anymore. Its better making $6/day NOW but paying half for a GPU than making a similiar amount but paying double for the NVIDIA GPU. Because by the time you ROI that NVIDIA we all will be making $0.25/day with our GPUs and the hashrate drop won't mean much. But the AMD people will come out ahead since the GPU was paid for multiple times and not the NVIDIA people. The 30% drop will happen in 20-30 EPOC, so that is just 5 months. I think ETH can still be mined then. Yes you can probably still mine ETH then but you won't be making $6/day like you are today. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 26, 2017, 08:20:25 AM The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. Where does the huge difference on ZEC mining coming from between 1070 and rx580? At ETH a GTX 1070 has similar MH/s than the RX580 but at ZEC it has 50% more (~ 480 Sol/s). From gaming perspective they are also very similar from performance. And yes, this is a serious question as i'm interested in technical details due to my work in IT business :) Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Mattthev on June 26, 2017, 11:31:55 AM Test your hashrates with benchmark in Claymore
http://cryptomining-blog.com/8822-ethereum-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400rx500-gpus-is-incoming/ Then you can calculate your profit, but it will be inaccurate. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on June 27, 2017, 02:04:27 AM Big news from BBT about the Claymore epoch benchmark issue. He reached out to AMD who confirmed they are aware of the future epoch hashdrop issue and are working with Claymore to resolve the issue which DOES NOT affect other miners, such as SGminer. So, it appears it's an issue related to the Claymore miner and NOT the RX platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XOtQtFKSQ&feature=youtu.be&t=978 Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: reb0rn21 on June 27, 2017, 03:23:39 AM LOL yeah sure...
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 27, 2017, 08:29:48 AM Big news from BBT about the Claymore epoch benchmark issue. He reached out to AMD who confirmed they are aware of the future epoch hashdrop issue and are working with Claymore to resolve the issue which DOES NOT affect other miners, such as SGminer. So, it appears it's an issue related to the Claymore miner and NOT the RX platform. Who even use Claymore now? Isnt it has too much hashdrops?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XOtQtFKSQ&feature=youtu.be&t=978 Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: chohav on June 27, 2017, 08:52:53 AM Big news from BBT about the Claymore epoch benchmark issue. He reached out to AMD who confirmed they are aware of the future epoch hashdrop issue and are working with Claymore to resolve the issue which DOES NOT affect other miners, such as SGminer. So, it appears it's an issue related to the Claymore miner and NOT the RX platform. Who even use Claymore now? Isnt it has too much hashdrops?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XOtQtFKSQ&feature=youtu.be&t=978 Actually most of the miners on Windows are using claymore. Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 28, 2017, 08:12:54 AM Big news from BBT about the Claymore epoch benchmark issue. He reached out to AMD who confirmed they are aware of the future epoch hashdrop issue and are working with Claymore to resolve the issue which DOES NOT affect other miners, such as SGminer. So, it appears it's an issue related to the Claymore miner and NOT the RX platform. Who even use Claymore now? Isnt it has too much hashdrops?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XOtQtFKSQ&feature=youtu.be&t=978 Actually most of the miners on Windows are using claymore. Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jmigdlc99 on June 28, 2017, 08:24:52 AM Big news from BBT about the Claymore epoch benchmark issue. He reached out to AMD who confirmed they are aware of the future epoch hashdrop issue and are working with Claymore to resolve the issue which DOES NOT affect other miners, such as SGminer. So, it appears it's an issue related to the Claymore miner and NOT the RX platform. Who even use Claymore now? Isnt it has too much hashdrops?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3XOtQtFKSQ&feature=youtu.be&t=978 Actually most of the miners on Windows are using claymore. Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. Agree. Why would AMD care? They're making money, and thats all that matters to them. Claymore will have to setup or AMD cards will suffer very soon. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: kpayney1 on June 28, 2017, 08:32:17 AM Damn it!, I was just looking at picking up a 6 x 580 8gb rig today as well. Wondered why it was so cheap.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: matmator on June 28, 2017, 09:08:27 AM Conclusion?
Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: adaseb on June 28, 2017, 10:10:57 AM Conclusion? Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Since the difficulty is doubling every 5-6 weeks or so, you might as well keep them anyways. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Mattthev on June 28, 2017, 11:28:52 AM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Lipe490 on June 28, 2017, 11:54:33 AM Just when I bought my rig. It's a bad new every f.. Day!
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: kpayney1 on June 28, 2017, 11:54:52 AM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Lipe490 on June 28, 2017, 11:59:32 AM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 29, 2017, 10:37:14 AM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Lipe490 on June 29, 2017, 12:38:44 PM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on June 29, 2017, 07:32:33 PM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vaccinus on June 29, 2017, 07:49:13 PM Conclusion? You may have big one time profit. I also sold some RX cards with good profit that partially paid me another new Nvidia rig.Should we keep or sell our rx 480/580? amd will be less and less profitable because they have only ethereum and the diff is continue to grow, when eth go down amd gpu will be useless, and all the other coin will also come down, you won't make anymore money Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: QuintLeo on June 29, 2017, 09:37:35 PM The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. Where does the huge difference on ZEC mining coming from between 1070 and rx580? At ETH a GTX 1070 has similar MH/s than the RX580 but at ZEC it has 50% more (~ 480 Sol/s). From gaming perspective they are also very similar from performance. And yes, this is a serious question as i'm interested in technical details due to my work in IT business :) ETH and derivatives are very "memory hard" due to the algo used - and as AMD 8GB RX-series cards have the SAME memory clocks and bandwidth as GTX 1070 cards, they end up being similar in hashrate when the memory access is optimised (the NVidia cards seem to use higher-performance memory settings by default in their BIOS than AMD uses). Other coins mostly use algos that are more core-limited, so the higher clocks on the GTX 1070 and similar number of cores vs the RX 470/570 make the 1070 quite a bit faster (the 480/580 have higher core count but clock a LOT lower, so the 1070 still wins there). Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on July 02, 2017, 03:41:29 PM The RX 580 will do ~315 H/s on ZEC. The Claymore epoch benchmark figures are just an estimate and largley overstated. In my own test with a five card RX 480/580 8GB and 570 4GB rig. The benchmark at epoch 129 for the five cards was ~143.3 MH/s, at epoch 130 the benchmark was ~142.5 MH/s. The actual current dual mining hash is ~144.1 MH/s dual mining with DCR. Even a 10% drop in the RX cards ETH hash in 6 months can be offset by addding a single $200 RX 570 4 GB card. Where does the huge difference on ZEC mining coming from between 1070 and rx580? At ETH a GTX 1070 has similar MH/s than the RX580 but at ZEC it has 50% more (~ 480 Sol/s). From gaming perspective they are also very similar from performance. And yes, this is a serious question as i'm interested in technical details due to my work in IT business :) ETH and derivatives are very "memory hard" due to the algo used - and as AMD 8GB RX-series cards have the SAME memory clocks and bandwidth as GTX 1070 cards, they end up being similar in hashrate when the memory access is optimised (the NVidia cards seem to use higher-performance memory settings by default in their BIOS than AMD uses). Other coins mostly use algos that are more core-limited, so the higher clocks on the GTX 1070 and similar number of cores vs the RX 470/570 make the 1070 quite a bit faster (the 480/580 have higher core count but clock a LOT lower, so the 1070 still wins there). Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: cjnmoh on July 02, 2017, 04:15:44 PM Is there any free cloud mining site for mining the ETH, litecoin or doge coin. I want to make at-least 1$ worth of coin per day. Kindly share here the number of site that is offered free mining.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 02, 2017, 04:18:25 PM So it looks like we are at dag number 132.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on July 02, 2017, 04:58:28 PM So it looks like we are at dag number 132. Is there already a drop for AMD cards at dag 132? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 02, 2017, 05:30:52 PM So it looks like we are at dag number 132. Is there already a drop for AMD cards at dag 132? I don't mine so i don't know, well, nobody is complaining so i don't think so. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: matmator on July 02, 2017, 05:51:19 PM yes .
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: dquancey on July 02, 2017, 06:07:06 PM Is there any free cloud mining site for mining the ETH, litecoin or doge coin. I want to make at-least 1$ worth of coin per day. Kindly share here the number of site that is offered free mining. Free mining? Are you sure? You want free money per day? I mean, I could go to town on a post like this, but use your brain for a second. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on July 02, 2017, 06:08:14 PM So it looks like we are at dag number 132. Is there already a drop for AMD cards at dag 132? I have been getting less than a 0.1 MH/s drop for each card with each new epoch while dual mining. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: kurbeks on July 02, 2017, 06:20:37 PM Yep it's slowly going down. But no biggie currently.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jpoker272727 on July 02, 2017, 06:22:37 PM So it looks like we are at dag number 132. Is there already a drop for AMD cards at dag 132? I'm getting -1.5 MH/s on 6x GPUs, and it scared me because I though that the graphics are going to die soon or the electricity is not going well or something else with the heat. But seems that this DAG has affected all GPUs right? Why? I'm dual mining too, is this one of the reason or it doesn't matter? Thank you... Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 02, 2017, 06:54:14 PM It looks like Polaris had another drop of 0.4%. I guess every dag will be increasing, next dag expect 0.45% and then 0.53% and so on. The funny thing is, as the dag increases, your rx card becomes less and less valuable, soon gamers will buy a rx 580 for less than $150 hehe, also this is goood by the way, cause i see eth rising, soon eth will be 0.15 btc again and it might reach 0.3 in the next 2 months or so. If eth reduction kicks in then it might make eth to rise to 0.5 btc. So watch out hehe and thank me later hehe
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on July 02, 2017, 07:03:27 PM But seems that this DAG has affected all GPUs right? It affects RX4xx/5xx but not older AMD or NVIDIA cards. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: QuintLeo on July 02, 2017, 07:05:59 PM Is there any free cloud mining site for mining the ETH, litecoin or doge coin. I want to make at-least 1$ worth of coin per day. Kindly share here the number of site that is offered free mining. Gotta wonder where this insanity is originating from. Why would ANY site offer this sort of thing instead of keeping the coin for themselves? Yes, there are "faucets" - but you're not going to pull in $1/day from THOSE. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 02, 2017, 07:07:24 PM But seems that this DAG has affected all GPUs right? It affects RX4xx/5xx but not older AMD or NVIDIA cards. Count the R7/9 3xx too up to 280x. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: SubZer0 on July 02, 2017, 07:17:03 PM But seems that this DAG has affected all GPUs right? It affects RX4xx/5xx but not older AMD or NVIDIA cards. Also the RX580 8GB versions? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on July 02, 2017, 07:27:40 PM It looks like Polaris had another drop of 0.4%. I guess every dag will be increasing, next dag expect 0.45% and then 0.53% and so on. The funny thing is, as the dag increases, your rx card becomes less and less valuable, soon gamers will buy a rx 580 for less than $150 hehe, also this is goood by the way, cause i see eth rising, soon eth will be 0.15 btc again and it might reach 0.3 in the next 2 months or so. If eth reduction kicks in then it might make eth to rise to 0.5 btc. So watch out hehe and thank me later hehe My drop is about 0.4% for a 5-card rig of mixed RX 4XX/5XX 4GB and 8GB cards. Epoch 131: Code: 19:12:09:144 9fc target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 131(2.02GB) Epoch 132: Code: 19:13:19:631 9fc target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 132(2.03GB) The Claymore benchmarks figures show a progressive gradual drop of up to 25% through epoch 160, which I found to be overstated compared to the actual epoch drop. Even if not fixed, adding a single $220 RX 570 4GB card can offset most of that drop. There are also indications from one of AMD's lead developers that the issue does not affect SGminer in Linux with OpenCL 2.0. https://youtu.be/SQE9WdhupAg?t=600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzAbECBnJmY&t=4026 Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jpoker272727 on July 02, 2017, 07:34:42 PM The Claymore benchmarks figures show a progressive gradual drop of up to 25% through epoch 160, which I found to be overstated compared to the actual epoch drop. Even if not fixed, adding a single $220 RX 570 4GB card can offset most of that drop. There are also indications from one of AMD's lead developers that the issue does not affect SGminer in Linux with OpenCL 2.0. https://youtu.be/SQE9WdhupAg?t=600 https://youtu.be/ZzAbECBnJmY?t=4836 Thanks for sharing these detailed change with the latest EPOCH, but how often does the epoch change? When will we see epoch 140,150,160? I see there is a drop also in the dual mining mode, from your stats there is a drop from 2-3 MH/s in DCR. P.S is DCR more profitable than SC? Can you share your configuration please, I'm using -dcri 16 and is not affecting the ETH hash rate, or dcr is more profitable than sia? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: dquancey on July 02, 2017, 07:49:51 PM Is this JUST with claymores miner? I saw the BBT video but read through the thread, are other miners not affected by this?
Be interesting to see if Claymore is actually speaking with AMD. Also, with the new AMD cards coming out, to see if it affects them too(because I have 30 of them on order). Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on July 02, 2017, 07:52:03 PM The Claymore benchmarks figures show a progressive gradual drop of up to 25% through epoch 160, which I found to be overstated compared to the actual epoch drop. Even if not fixed, adding a single $220 RX 570 4GB card can offset most of that drop. There are also indications from one of AMD's lead developers that the issue does not affect SGminer in Linux with OpenCL 2.0. https://youtu.be/SQE9WdhupAg?t=600 https://youtu.be/ZzAbECBnJmY?t=4836 Thanks for sharing these detailed change with the latest EPOCH, but how often does the epoch change? When will we see epoch 140,150,160? I see there is a drop also in the dual mining mode, from your stats there is a drop from 2-3 MH/s in DCR. P.S is DCR more profitable than SC? Can you share your configuration please, I'm using -dcri 16 and is not affecting the ETH hash rate, or dcr is more profitable than sia? Like it explains in the video, the epoch changes about every five days and by the end of the year we will be in the 160's epoch. The DCR dual mining hashrate drop was about 0.4% as well. I use -ethi 8 and -dcri 25 for DCR with a core clock of 1150 MHz and a memory clock of 1975-2075 MHz depending on the card. I don't mine SIA, so I don't know if it's currently more profitable. You can check which coin is more profitable to dual mine with the whattomine ETH calculators. https://whattomine.com/merged_coins/1-eth-dcr Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on July 02, 2017, 07:56:37 PM Is this JUST with claymores miner? I saw the BBT video but read through the thread, are other miners not affected by this? Be interesting to see if Claymore is actually speaking with AMD. Also, with the new AMD cards coming out, to see if it affects them too(because I have 30 of them on order). There are conflicting reports as to whether SGminer is also affected. Part of the problem is AFAIK, you can't benchmark future epoch's with SGminer like you can with Claymore's miner. Claymore has confirmed he is talking with AMD about the issue. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg19798453#msg19798453 Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: dquancey on July 02, 2017, 08:08:40 PM Is this JUST with claymores miner? I saw the BBT video but read through the thread, are other miners not affected by this? Be interesting to see if Claymore is actually speaking with AMD. Also, with the new AMD cards coming out, to see if it affects them too(because I have 30 of them on order). There are conflicting reports as to whether SGminer is also affected. Part of the problem is AFAIK, you can't benchmark future epoch's with SGminer like you can with Claymore's miner. Claymore has confirmed he is talking with AMD about the issue. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg19798453#msg19798453 Ahh nice one, thanks for the link. Well if it doesn't get resolved, then it doesn't get resolved. I'd like to know for future reference, if anyone else is having the problem on another mining platform? We are Nvidia/AMD 50/50 mine, so won't hurt us too much, but would like to know sooner rather than later so can go Nvidia route instead ;D Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: adaseb on July 02, 2017, 08:09:44 PM Is this JUST with claymores miner? I saw the BBT video but read through the thread, are other miners not affected by this? Be interesting to see if Claymore is actually speaking with AMD. Also, with the new AMD cards coming out, to see if it affects them too(because I have 30 of them on order). There are conflicting reports as to whether SGminer is also affected. Part of the problem is AFAIK, you can't benchmark future epoch's with SGminer like you can with Claymore's miner. Claymore has confirmed he is talking with AMD about the issue. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg19798453#msg19798453 You can benchmark future EPOCH just by switching mining between ETC and ETH which are on different epochs. For everybody freaking out, who cares about the 0.4% drop when in 5 days we had a 7% difficulty gain. We are all on borrowed time when it comes to mining so lets just enjoy it while it lasts, all our GPUs are already paid off and then some. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ozzy1926 on July 03, 2017, 03:40:54 PM Guys I have preordered 7x570 4gb which will be shipped 10th of July should I just cancel and switch to gtx 1060?
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: BustyKuroNeko on July 03, 2017, 03:55:03 PM Guys I have preordered 7x570 4gb which will be shipped 10th of July should I just cancel and switch to gtx 1060? Yeah, cancel and get the 1070 instead. Even if you can only get 5-6 of them instead go the 1070 way Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: vapourminer on July 03, 2017, 04:02:37 PM Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. now that amd has miner edition cards i think they would want to fix this. otherwise they are handing nvidia customers as nvida has ming cards also. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 03, 2017, 04:28:11 PM Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. now that amd has miner edition cards i think they would want to fix this. otherwise they are handing nvidia customers as nvida has ming cards also. See that is the thing, did they fix on tonga up to r9 280x? no, dont expect amd do much here, perhaps tonga and polaris arch make this happen, this flaw is by design, maybe there is nothing amd can do, although the mining community is larger than before, which means they might do something about it if only there is something really to do. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: PanneKopp on July 03, 2017, 04:52:04 PM You can benchmark future EPOCH just by switching mining between ETC and ETH which are on different epochs. For everybody freaking out, who cares about the 0.4% drop when in 5 days we had a 7% difficulty gain. We are all on borrowed time when it comes to mining so lets just enjoy it while it lasts, all our GPUs are already paid off and then some. ... well said. Vatalik welcomes you in the ICE-AGE at about mid. JAN 2018. @adaseb - when do you start waving PASL instead of Furtune-Jack FLAG ? ;) Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: kurbeks on July 03, 2017, 04:57:00 PM Anyway, don't believe AMD care about hashdrop at all, even less that they work with claymore for resolving this. now that amd has miner edition cards i think they would want to fix this. otherwise they are handing nvidia customers as nvida has ming cards also. See that is the thing, did they fix on tonga up to r9 280x? no, dont expect amd do much here, perhaps tonga and polaris arch make this happen, this flaw is by design, maybe there is nothing amd can do, although the mining community is larger than before, which means they might do something about it if only there is something really to do. Why even bother with these cards. They will release Vega and Polaris 20 soon. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: cryptounicon on July 03, 2017, 07:50:22 PM How soon until the mining specific cards come out for AMD and Nvidia?
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: LoneRangir on July 03, 2017, 08:07:32 PM Is this affecting EXP and ETC with the same rate of impact?
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 03, 2017, 08:10:00 PM How soon until the mining specific cards come out for AMD and Nvidia? They have been for a while in few countries, even newegg was selling some rx 470 mining specific cards. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: comp on July 03, 2017, 08:19:59 PM How soon until the mining specific cards come out for AMD and Nvidia? Mining cards do not help much with a POS coin. ice age will kill eth mining regardless of the card. So for eth all these new cards are not worth the investment. All current gpus switching tot other coins will kill these other coins as wel. Overcapacity. Only ppl with free electricity will survive Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: lankyman on July 03, 2017, 08:39:22 PM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... why the f is that the case that only RX series cards are affected, this is crap i tell u Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: LoneRangir on July 04, 2017, 04:17:50 AM Is this affecting EXP and ETC with the same rate of impact? Hmm... Looks like this issue indeed affects ETC, too Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jmigdlc99 on July 04, 2017, 07:37:56 AM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... why the f is that the case that only RX series cards are affected, this is crap i tell u Yeah. The ice age is for the entire ethereum mining community. I too dont understand all this crap against AMD's RX series. More likely, it will depend on the memory of cards, 4GB cards will soon be too low to handle DAG. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: comp on July 04, 2017, 07:46:31 AM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... why the f is that the case that only RX series cards are affected, this is crap i tell u Yeah. The ice age is for the entire ethereum mining community. I too dont understand all this crap against AMD's RX series. More likely, it will depend on the memory of cards, 4GB cards will soon be too low to handle DAG. Correct about iceage incorrect about the memory. It's not the amount of memory but the memory architecture and how it is addressed by the miner software. Still unclear about all statements being made. We will never see a DAG bigger than 4GB in ETH PoW world. DAG increases by a factor of 0.73 per year. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on July 06, 2017, 07:56:07 PM But seems that this DAG has affected all GPUs right? It affects RX4xx/5xx but not older AMD or NVIDIA cards. Also the RX580 8GB versions? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: LoneRangir on July 06, 2017, 08:00:51 PM Is this affecting EXP and ETC with the same rate of impact? Hmm... Looks like this issue indeed affects ETC, too EXP was not affected by this problem. The DAG is only at 22 on that fork. My rig mined at the expected 29.7MH/s, rather than 27.5MH/s. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: jpoker272727 on July 09, 2017, 06:00:22 PM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... why the f is that the case that only RX series cards are affected, this is crap i tell u Yeah. The ice age is for the entire ethereum mining community. I too dont understand all this crap against AMD's RX series. More likely, it will depend on the memory of cards, 4GB cards will soon be too low to handle DAG. So the hashrate will not drop on Nvidia cards? I'm going to build my second rig and I'm not sure if I should move from AMD RX cards to Nvidia, maybe I will open a thread too. If the hashrate won't drop in Nvidia cards then I would purchase nvidia cards before the AMD ones. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Vann on July 09, 2017, 08:20:55 PM found this: Ethereum mining: hashrate drop for Radeon RX400/RX500 GPUs incoming (https://steemit.com/ethereum/@cryptomcat/ethereum-mining-hashrate-drop-for-radeon-rx400-rx500-gpus-incoming) :o ??? Only RX cards are affected, not the older ones like 290x. Also Nvidia Pascal seems to be on the safe side... why the f is that the case that only RX series cards are affected, this is crap i tell u Yeah. The ice age is for the entire ethereum mining community. I too dont understand all this crap against AMD's RX series. More likely, it will depend on the memory of cards, 4GB cards will soon be too low to handle DAG. So the hashrate will not drop on Nvidia cards? I'm going to build my second rig and I'm not sure if I should move from AMD RX cards to Nvidia, maybe I will open a thread too. If the hashrate won't drop in Nvidia cards then I would purchase nvidia cards before the AMD ones. The Nvidia 10 series cards are not affected by the epoch increase. So far I have been able to offset most of the ETH hash drop on my mixed five card RX 4XX/5XX 4GB and 8GB rig from every new epoch by lowering the DCR dual mining intensity from -dcri 25 to -dcri 21 and the dual mining speed has taken a big hit. Epoch 132: Code: 19:13:19:631 9fc target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 132(2.03GB) Epoch 133: Code: 16:17:09:782 3e8 target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 133(2.04GB) Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Flickspeed on July 11, 2017, 12:42:09 AM Has Mr Claymore himself comment on this issue?
With every epoch the world is seeing performance drop on the RX series. Is it actually a software problem unable to correctly access the larger memory chunks or simply an AMD architectural limit? Will there be a solution or will there not? Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 11, 2017, 12:50:39 AM Has Mr Claymore himself comment on this issue? With every epoch the world is seeing performance drop on the RX series. Is it actually a software problem unable to correctly access the larger memory chunks or simply an AMD architectural limit? Will there be a solution or will there not? Probably the design is flawed, supposed there are 2 memory banks, 1 is 0 to 2gb and the second is from 2gb to 4gb, as soon as the eth miner accessed anything after the 2gb there are a decrease of performance, cache or likely constraints while accessing over and over it, but then again you would say okay but what about the 8gb polaris, see that is the thing, if there are 2 memory banks then the 8gb polaris should not have any performance degradation, so it might be another thing, cache or a series of flaws regarding how it access the memory. Dont think Claymore will be able to, amd need to update drivers and that is it, its up to amd, now i wonder if amd will really do it cause they want their vega line to sell and miners to buy it, so forget it. AMD will leave all polaris owners in the dark hehe Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: LoneRangir on July 11, 2017, 01:02:26 AM I saw elsewhere that Vega suffers from this issue, too... :-\
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: systemv on July 11, 2017, 02:15:17 AM I must be missing something or too tired, but it makes no sense. Why the heck OpenCL implementation will become so dramatically less efficient after certain DAG on just some cards if memory is not an issue?
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: car1999 on July 11, 2017, 02:54:10 AM bad news, i ordered Some rx570 recently.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on July 11, 2017, 04:19:18 AM Why bad? What was the price?:D
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: car1999 on July 11, 2017, 04:42:32 AM Why bad? What was the price?:D 270$Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Marvell1 on July 11, 2017, 04:52:07 AM good price
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: lanciaominer on July 11, 2017, 07:46:58 AM no need ethereum hashdrop... looks more like ethereum price drop now :'(
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 11, 2017, 09:30:44 AM With the 30% hashrate drop, 40% price crash and plus 300% difficulty, for you to have the profitability and return of investment in mind then you have to think of only going long with eth or any other alt. Selling as you mine now would mean gameover. You must hold and be patient.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Jackkyy on July 11, 2017, 10:27:29 AM With the 30% hashrate drop, 40% price crash and plus 300% difficulty, for you to have the profitability and return of investment in mind then you have to think of only going long with eth or any other alt. Selling as you mine now would mean gameover. You must hold and be patient. Yes . Soon maybe gameOver - up to 1-2 month max now price for card rx 580 8 gb is 400-500 eur - used - no have new at moment many people is crazy and buy on this price and after 1 month they sell on max 150 eur same cards Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on July 11, 2017, 10:31:10 AM With the 30% hashrate drop, 40% price crash and plus 300% difficulty, for you to have the profitability and return of investment in mind then you have to think of only going long with eth or any other alt. Selling as you mine now would mean gameover. You must hold and be patient. Yes . Soon maybe gameOver - up to 1-2 month max now price for card rx 580 8 gb is 400-500 eur - used - no have new at moment many people is crazy and buy on this price and after 1 month they sell on max 150 eur same cards but now it's good time to sell your rx4xx/5xx cards, wait a month without mining and then buy cheaper cards back ;) Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 11, 2017, 10:34:11 AM With the current profitability, gpu's will start pilling up on computer stores hehe, mining is already not worth for many people in many countries cause the electricity cost takes most of the profit.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Jackkyy on July 11, 2017, 10:35:08 AM With the 30% hashrate drop, 40% price crash and plus 300% difficulty, for you to have the profitability and return of investment in mind then you have to think of only going long with eth or any other alt. Selling as you mine now would mean gameover. You must hold and be patient. Yes . Soon maybe gameOver - up to 1-2 month max now price for card rx 580 8 gb is 400-500 eur - used - no have new at moment many people is crazy and buy on this price and after 1 month they sell on max 150 eur same cards but now it's good time to sell your rx4xx/5xx cards, wait a month without mining and then buy cheaper cards back ;) yes of course price for rx4xx/5xx is too big now after 1 month drop Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: adaseb on July 11, 2017, 10:45:42 AM With the current profitability, gpu's will start pilling up on computer stores hehe, mining is already not worth for many people in many countries cause the electricity cost takes most of the profit. Pretty sure most people pay $0.10/kwh and for mining to be break even they would need to make less than $0.36/day. Which is a long ways away. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Metroid on July 11, 2017, 11:00:29 AM Pretty sure most people pay $0.10/kwh and for mining to be break even they would need to make less than $0.36/day. Which is a long ways away. Check the electricity per killowatt cost in european countries, http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Electricity_price_statistics, its average is $0.20/kwh, worldwide is around that or more expensive. For example, a 1080 ti using 190 watts per hour pulls around 5 kilowatt per day, that is $1.00 per day, it makes around $3.08 per day on zcash, taking whattomine reference, with a 1080 ti you are earning only $2.17, in most countries that card is sold for $1000 or more but lets take a $800, now 800 divided by 2.17 which is today, not counting difficulty rise or anything, that is just now, that means 368 days, which means that is a blood year. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: JustCauseBIH on July 11, 2017, 11:37:32 AM Well, i paid 10 RX 47/570 for average 200$ month ago and now using electricity for 0.07$. What can you tell me to scare me out of mining? Do your best.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: DrG on July 11, 2017, 12:01:03 PM Well, i paid 10 RX 47/570 for average 200$ month ago and now using electricity for 0.07$. What can you tell me to scare me out of mining? Do your best. There is no reason for scare tactics. An opportunist with hindsight would have noted, however, that somebody who mined for 10 months, sells the cards for 2.5x what he bought, waits 5 months for new Vega cards to hit market while GPU mining is in the doldrums again would probably do better than somebody who just keeps on mining with the 10 cards. But it takes work to sell the cards and patience to buy the new ones on sale and redo the rigs. For optimum profits work is required. For an easy quarter to a dollar a day you can just sit on the cards. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Raziel__ on July 11, 2017, 12:02:02 PM With the current profitability, gpu's will start pilling up on computer stores hehe, mining is already not worth for many people in many countries cause the electricity cost takes most of the profit. Pretty sure most people pay $0.10/kwh and for mining to be break even they would need to make less than $0.36/day. Which is a long ways away. For one card yes, but even now you can only make 2$/day with the same card, time will tell. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Mattthev on July 11, 2017, 02:08:12 PM Just sell you cards :D I need some RX for good prices.
Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: iamnewhere on July 11, 2017, 02:17:57 PM Just sell you cards :D I need some RX for good prices. how can you buy now cards while all encryption currencies collabs and the world stops turning? ??? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: dandreark1 on July 11, 2017, 03:22:08 PM Think about it this way. You are better off buying AMD RX right now even with these small hashrate drops than you are buying NVIDIA right now which doesn't have this issue. Because by the time the hashrate drops 30%, most of us won't be mining anymore. Its better making $6/day NOW but paying half for a GPU than making a similiar amount but paying double for the NVIDIA GPU. Because by the time you ROI that NVIDIA we all will be making $0.25/day with our GPUs and the hashrate drop won't mean much. But the AMD people will come out ahead since the GPU was paid for multiple times and not the NVIDIA people. this is a very good point not many people consider being AMD owners from this May-present Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Murtiya on July 11, 2017, 03:52:56 PM With the current profitability, gpu's will start pilling up on computer stores hehe, mining is already not worth for many people in many countries cause the electricity cost takes most of the profit. Pretty sure most people pay $0.10/kwh and for mining to be break even they would need to make less than $0.36/day. Which is a long ways away. For one card yes, but even now you can only make 2$/day with the same card, time will tell. 2$/day profit is actually very good. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: ChrisCollins322 on July 18, 2017, 05:25:54 AM 0.10? isnt it too much????
I"m paying smth like 0.07 Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Muhtaixa on July 18, 2017, 08:07:38 AM 0.10? isnt it too much???? I"m paying smth like 0.07 In Europe, the average price is like 0.15. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: h311m4n on July 18, 2017, 08:14:14 AM 0.10? isnt it too much???? I"m paying smth like 0.07 I'm paying 0.16, got solar panels on the roof though, which helps. Got 36 cards running, make about 1.50$/card/day. Got 75A available at home, some more GPUs on preorder... Electricity/water bill for the entire house can be paid with about a week's worth of mining. All rigs are paid off, investments are diversified. Not too scared for the future and I don't get the panic. Worst case you turn your rigs off.............. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: rohitdhaka on September 12, 2017, 04:54:41 AM my rx580 work fine, if your rx580 hash rate drope then msg me i can help you. today 12 september 2017 my rx 580 pulse dual minning hash rate is 29.800 mh/s and dcr 1785 mh/s.
punitdhaka@gmail.com Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: elrian on September 16, 2017, 07:58:25 PM my rx580 work fine, if your rx580 hash rate drope then msg me i can help you. today 12 september 2017 my rx 580 pulse dual minning hash rate is 29.800 mh/s and dcr 1785 mh/s. punitdhaka@gmail.com Hi, Ive send you an email. Title: Re: Ethereum 30% hashrate drop for RX400/RX500 incoming soon? Post by: Daywalker_313 on December 21, 2017, 02:48:06 AM Seems the day has finally arrived. And I just started mining a week ago :'(
Seems I need a few more other cards besides my rig of 6 RX570. Anyone the same issue? From 29 mh down to 21 mh... |
