Bitcoin Forum

http://bitsonline.com/craig-wright-threatens-bitcoin/

Backed by the Bitmain/Bitcoin Unlimited cartel, Wright appears to be going off the deep end. Note that all the bad actors appear to be joining together:

1. Wright's nChain, which is attempting to flood patent offices with a Johnny-come-lately barrage of crypto patents.
2. Jihan Wu of Bitmain, the monopolistic miner/manufacturer that gave us ASICBoost and Antbleed.
3. Roger Ver of Bitcoin.com and r/btc, Bitcoin Unlimited infamy.

Fantastic. He will step up and stop poison segwit and Core from destroying bitcoin. This is great news for bitcoin all around. Very bullish news. Satoshis vision will not be stopped!

Now that the supervillains have teamed up, there should be no question to want they want, CONTROL of Bitcoin.

Be afraid people, be very afraid...

My forecast has went from bullish to bearish  :'(

Are you people serious? Core is the villain. CW wants to support Satoshis vision. Core wants a banker settlement token. You've been duped. Craig Wright is the hero we've been waiting for.

Not going to argue with a bought shill account, added you to ignore, goodbye  :)

My account is neither of those. Typical uneducated and emotional Core lemming.

Have you guys any idea what will happen to all the coins if he has the patent?

He wants to prove himself to be Satoshi but can't even move a single coin from satoshi's wallet. He isn't destroying the crypto but wants to buy cheap coins that's why he trolls around.

I'm perhaps one of the least knowledgeable in this area, but did you read the article? If we can trust the integrity of the reporting and believe that at least half of what was reported was true, I really don't see how Wright is in any way supportive of Satoshi's vision (I assume you refer to the whitepaper). The only way this could possibly be argued for is if one took the second last line of that whitepaper (voting with CPU power) at total face value and removed all context.

P.S. Roger Ver's comment on the article: has a point.

So should we, bitcoin hodlers be afraid of what these guys can do? Core and the team of Craig Wright only wants to get a share—major share or control—of bitcoin that's why they are tryig so hard to do those shit. Also it is for the benefit of their own interests and not really the community's. Why would they care about and protect your interests if it don't benefit them in any way ::)

The core team is corrupt to the core.  The only possible 'scaling' solution they offer is Lightning Network,
which can't work without centralized banking hubs.  I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but it's true.

https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800

I am not sure what is happening here,i just know one thing is that Craig Wright is not a dumb individual ,what i do not understand is that how can he file for patent without proving anything about his claims,but i just want the best thing to happen to bitcoin as i do not want it to vanish because everyone wants to take claim , who has the strongest position in bitcoin.

well if i was under a lot of stress because of evading lots of lawsuits and all my plans on controlling bitcoin and ruining it to his own benefit was down the toilet, i would have been under a lot of stress like CW and would have done an outburst like that!

As always you like to twist things. Lightning is not the only 2e layer solution out there.

Btw what happend with youre almighty BU? all those walls of text how great BU was and how Bitcoin will scale...and look now we're getting Segwit +2e layer solutions. Best part is; there is NOTHING you can do about it..and a HF is not even guaranteed.

Also, dont steal other ones content, you have absolute no idea how to make industrial payments mainstream.

The Powers That Be are mad because they tried to put Craig Wright as the leader of Bitcoin, but they didn't manage to fool the Core devs. Greg Maxwell and Luke caught Craig Wright lies and ridiculed his nonsense. Gavin got exposed as either an idiot or part of the Craig-Jihad-Ver camp. Their anti-small-node agenda to centralize bitcoin is very clear and they are losing the battle so they are on desperation mode.

You're either very very confused or pushing lies on purpose.

Cersei,
Joffrey,
Illyn Payne,
The mountain,
Roger Vermin,
Jihan BU,
Craig Wright,
The hound

Craig the mad also joined to this freak show it seems. Also check his sponsors: https://twitter.com/zeropassio/status/880754552462594048

Bitcoin.com, Bitcoin Unlimited, Bitmain and so on...

PoW change is inevitable.

I don't think that after what happened his opinion should be taken seriously or even considered. He keeps burying himself and saying things like this and insulting people just makes him look ridiculous and untrustworthy... So let's just move on.

So you agree that LN is a dead idea?

Good.

Next we'll expose "sidechains" for what they really are.

I knew it was you before reading your nickname. It's obvious what's going on, if you can't see it, you are either dumb or you are under Roger's paycheck.

Sorry, we are not buying. The anti-fullnode camp will never win. They are the biggest enemies of Bitcoin. No matter how much you don't like Blockstream, that's nothing compared to the anti-fullnode camp.

The "everyone needs a full node on a raspberry pie" lie you preach is working to push the agenda that's destroying bitcoin.

https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/why-every-bitcoin-user-should-understand-spv-security-520d1d45e0b9

Ver bullish.  ;D

That's man is Satoshi? Right? He want to control bitcoin , in the past he want to make bitcoin bank but he failed, now through Nchain what can he do?Can he control decentralized community? Even the US government can't do.  This is anonymous world I think by Nchain he want to claim all the crypto developers into his copy right then everyone who want to develop cryptos should pay for him . That another way to control the cryptocummunity.

"It looks like he is trying to patent the fundamental building blocks of any Blockchain, cryptocurrency, or distributed ledger system," said Antony Lewis, a Bitcoin consultant used by Reuters to review the filing documentation.

The time-consuming process of obtaining a patent can take several years, but could pay off for Wright in the long run, given the banking industry’s appetite for all things Blockchain-related.
source : https://cointelegraph.com/news/discredited-craig-wright-working-on-building-a-bitcoin-blockchain-empire (https://cointelegraph.com/news/discredited-craig-wright-working-on-building-a-bitcoin-blockchain-empire)

Who here would devote themselves to that chain? It would be put together by pretty much every agitating prick who's ever gone anywhere near Bitcoin. I wouldn't trust any of them any further than I could defecate them. He's basically saying he wants it to be controlled by banks.

It would be fun to see them comprehensively ignored by anyone who they weren't paying in the event of a fork, but it would be a high price to pay for everyone.

Does Wright really have the resources to really buy 20% of the hashrate? I thought he had financial and legal problems ...

I at least hope that he doesn't succeed and that the Segwit2x plan goes on smoothly. I've already wrote that his criticism on Segwit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1973710.0;all) (because of a possible miner collusion to spend Anyone-Can-Spend-Coins) does not convince me.


Interested.

If only you had any evidence. Meanwhile the evidence for Ver/Wu/Wright being corrupt is pouring forth like Niagara Falls and yet you and a few others keep studiously ignoring it.

He's been full of hot air all along. But if he's backed by Wu and Ver they can quietly or openly give him that 20%, whatever their strategy is. We shall see.

To the contrary: It's the big blockers that will kill bitcoin, by giving up the network to corporations that can be easily located and manipulated by governments and global attackers.

People that think giving the power of nodes to corporations is a good idea are either retards or have agendas that align with said corporations.

Why just corporations? Why not all strong individuals that have wealth ( in bitcoin ) and high interest to keep things up? How many do you estimate are all these on the planet?

Think big or loose that game.

This guy is a real pain in the... And then he claims to be satoshi. I can't believe why are bitmain and all supporting him, instead he should be left out in the cold. Won't the community yet wake up and see what kind of a mess he is and why it's best that we take a stand against him before it's to late. It is about time the Knights of Bitcoin rise up before it's to late. I have never liked him and he keeps doing things which makes me further dislike him.

Individuals with big wealth in bitcoin like Roger Ver? oh, I see his clear interest in keeping bitcoin decentralized, except he wants to turn it into paypal 2.0:

https://coinjournal.net/roger-ver-paypal-acceptable-risk-bitcoin/

Roger Ver is an idiot, having a lot of wealth means nothing. We need to keep the nodes in the hands of the people to keep the network decentralized and safe, period.

If you only can think of a central person, you might decentralize your thinking,too. The internet is your friend...

I am very confused now so what will all this mean for Bitcoin in August? Will there be a hardfork with a new 2nd Bitcoin chain or are they trying to stop that from happening? I would like to be enlightened as to what exactly they want to do and what this will accomplish in the end?

A non-mining node doesn't decentralise the network, it only benefits you, by allowing you to confirm that you have received payment. Regular users, spending bitcoin have no need to run a full node 24/7.

If you've got a high enough value transaction coming in from someone you don't trust, you can spin one up and verify the chain yourself.

Running a full node is all about what its worth is to you. It has no bearing on the security of the network for anyone else. That comes from decentralised *mining*.

There may or may not be a fork. It's likely that if there is a fork it will soon become apparent which one is worth more, because the rational economic behaviour is to go with the majority, so as one increases in value others will follow. If you have coins before, you'll have coins on both chains afterwards. There is nothing to worry about. Nakamoto consensus works. Those that are afraid just don't understand it, and argue for something else because they don't think it does.

I am more confuse than you, well if he would show himself in some conference regarding what will gonna happen on August 1 I think Craig Wright wants to stop it, and because of the risk involve in what is Segwit's gonna do with bitcoin but I never understand if wright is the real Satoshi because there are a lot out there claiming to be him and even if his proof are legit what is the reason behind of showing now in the public? Well my Answer would be, to stop what is about to happen in bitcoin the control over it and I think this is what the real Satoshi would want to do, but the question would be is he the real and legit one!

Here is your friend.

Translate to me and others:

If you are a small hodler, dont buy a PI, rather bitcoin.

If you are a small merchant, run a SPV ( on a PI )

If you are bigger merchant with lots of flow and want to ensure get paid, run a 20k$ Full node ,if we have 10-20k of those , we ve done it! They wont ever collude across the world.

Miners should also do that.

He is being funded by Bitmain just like Roger Ver.

Talks absolutely nonsense, obviously trolling, toxic to the community but has the support of the biggest mining company. Bitmain supports every retarded piece of shit there is who's against bitcoin. I think we should do something about it and end this crap once and for all.

Every miner you buy from Bitmain is helping those fucktards.

Bitmain needs to go.



There is nothing legit about his proofs. Can't you tell that just by looking at his face? He is just another clown. I can claim myself to be satoshi but nobody will care or talk about it (because it is ridiculous) but when this clown does the same it is all over on the news. It is because they (his sponsors, bitmain/bitcoin.com) are spending money heavily on the news blogs/websites.

He is nothing, he is nobody. Just a clown.

Craig Wright, Jihan Wu, Roger Ver have come full circle! They are now known as the Three Stooges of Bitcoin.

... And if he is right, than your USAf node pool has 0,3 % of the relevant network connections and no meaning at all...

Yeah ok, but how can you use that argument to defend Craig Wright whos scamming everyone by saying hes the inventor of BTC, Jihan Wu and his Asic boost, and Roger Ver whos taking a big risk in supporting a hard fork?

Are you saying you are on the side of the scammer?

Yup! I am pretty not 100% into him being Satoshi, we I have read and seen his twitter account that he is claiming that he created Ethereum, Doge, and yes bitcoin but the way he talks on all of his tweets are just not a proof that tells that he is the Original, well I think maybe I am just not into the impending event in August 1 so Satoshi showing his face in the public will be a good thing to stop it, but getting my head on this kind of thing is not really a good thing, and thinking to really hug and appreciate what Segwit's will have for us.

Running a full node brings the ideal setting of security:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNk7nYxTOyQ


If you can convince me that users should give up on the possibility of running nodes then go on, but you haven't achieved that yet so keep trying.

hm. Depends what kind of user you are and how much connections your node is enabeling. Hold it like Trayce Meyer says. Do not have too much Ego.

lol Craig has to pull out some shady shit every two months or so.
Fact is,doesn't matter who they got on their team,community support does! As far as I know,people give two shits about the people mentioned above.

Nothing he said at this presentation makes sense. Same goes for these nonsense slides and strange accusations.

If the battle is going to step up from what i heard from the conference then we will have a hard fork and we will have a split,things are getting really interested and i am looking forward about what is the end result,do they destroy bitcoin or does we get a good technology ,just waiting to see all the dramas unfolding.

What significant value a non-mining full node has for the network? all one needs to do is to only have the unspent data of blockchain and fires up hundreds of full nodes, that's only good for the time when miners are trying to change something in the code and need to have most of the nodes to validate the change, in that case having lots of full nodes just will make the miners job harder not impossible, because they can out number us by running more nodes than us.

Who is 'us'?

You are not making any sense. You think that non-mining nodes have any power to determine the direction of bitcoin? You're dead-fucking-wrong, but let's go with that for argument. Those corporations you so fear can buy thousands of RaspPis for every one that you small-blockers are running. What are you going to do when your beloved-yet-irrelevant RaspPi 'nodes' are outnumbered 1000:1?

Craig Wirght is an idiot and is full of himself. He is no hero. But if you can see a bit past personal qualities and actually look at some arguments, he is right in a few issues.

If you want to argue centralization, start looking at Core itself as well.

The centralization of core and software development is as decentralized as a big mining pool. Do not use different levers for the same issues.

We actually need more software, more wallets, more exchanges, which are more economic nodes. I for one have absolutely no interest in carrying the weight of a full node. Nor do I need it. I would not serve much purpose and my money is sufficient for me to vote.

I vote on my favourite wallet, my favourite exchange, my favourite chain, all of this with my unregulated unconfiscatable unransomed money.

If the Bitcoin brand had no value in itself, all these people would have forked off and not centralized around each other. I hear Core has 100 developers with different views and argue this is decentralization. I would rather Core had 5 developers that can push innovation as they see fit, and have 50 other softwares that give you a choice. The market will chose which one they like best. They do not have to hard fork on each other. They can just be different. And the Chain will follow majority.

This notion of decentralization within a single entity is hindering development at the rate of expansion.

Craig Wright at least sees that and soon I believe a lot of others will. Everyone is just affraid of losing the brand of the main chain. But future will ensure that and we will be left with real progress. If that costs you the speculative value of digital gold in the short term, you will be better off in the long term with a better, more robust and stronger coin. If you are affraid of change, sell now.

We have seen these tactics before, when we had the Bitcoin XT vs Bitcoin Core battle. People will claim that they are Satoshi or use privileged access to the Alert system to send out Shill messages to confuse people. When you become desperate, you do not pull your punches and you will use any dirty tactic to win your opponent. < even biting off a bit of his ear, Mike you out there? >

Craig Wright has lots of money and knowledge and people will use him to throw around his weight to accomplish their goals. < This will not be the final card that will be dealt in this game >