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Some time ago I stopped mining cryptocoins and launched SSN@Home (Search for Satoshi Nakamoto) project on the hardware. The bot dug thru different sites related to Bitcoin, crypto, libertanians, etc. Today I got the final result - it's a list of identities - and DeathAndTaxes is #1 in it (less than 50% match though). I can't ask him "Are you Satoshi", well, I can, but I bet he will answer "No" in any case. I'm asking the community, who is he? Do u have any proof that he is what he pretends to be (I mean in RL)? Do u have any info that could prove (or disprove) that he is Satoshi?

@DeathAndTaxes:
Sorry for talking about u in 3rd person form. But it makes no sense to ask u regarding the issue.

uh-oh...

busted...

No. D&T is smart, but he's not THAT smart.

Satoshi wasn't genius. He compiled together ideas of other guys.

Satoshi was a genius. Einstein didn't invent mathematics or physics, he merely came up with some new equations. Satoshi implemented Bitcoin almost on his own. If that's not genius then I don't know what is.

I'm sure D&T will be flattered. Definitely one of the best posters on the forum.

But I think you have missed the mark.

I agree. If Satoshi is indeed only one person (I happen to believe he is), the elegance and simplicity of Bitcoin is the work of a genius.

From what I've read, he also seems to be the type of person more likely to lurk than post. If your bot is determining the likelihood of an online identity belonging to Satoshi based on the number of posts, it might be skewing your results.

This.  The first time I learned about Bitcoin, I took a look at the whitepaper and code I found all kinds of "flaws".  It wasn't until hours (days?) of reading and researching that the elegance of the solution became visible (like a Polaroid appearing from the black).  It is humbling when you realize that you are looking at the product of someone far above your own capabilities and they have created what you previously considered impossible.  In a hundred years in a hundred parallel worlds I wouldn't have come up with the concept of Bitcoin, it was simply too alien.  It goes beyond just intelligence, the idea was simply outside my frame of reference.  The problem wasn't even one I considered that a solution existed.  

Now Satoshi's coding (nuts and bolts)?  Blech that is another story but nobody complains that Einstein's notes are hard to read because he had bad handwriting.

For the record:
No.

U have placed two spaces between sentences! Just like Satoshi!  ;)

EDIT: The text I made bold was a hint! U r very smart, I suspect u just make appearance that u r not so smart...

I place two spaces between sentences.  Am I Satoshi?

There were a lot of other correlations. But I'll put u into my list for the next iteration of the search. :)

Maybe D&T is just part of the older generation. The 2 space after sentences was something they did in the early days of typing, I think. I had a teacher in middle school who told us to do that in reports.

Exactly, 2 spaces to make it easier to read. D&T gave me a hint to pay attention to this, look at the text about Einstein.

I love the OP's implying that whatever web scraper he wrote is some kind of amazing quantum AI that is so CPU-heavy he had to turn off all his mining programs while it rans for weeks doing the kinds of pattern recognition you usually see on TV shows like 24 or Person of Interest. I picture it like this:

-OP types "Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?" into his hackstation, which appears on 9 screens at once.
-Green letter scroll across black screens for hours, surveillance photos of asian men flash across the screen.
-Computer speaks in half robotic/half human voice "There are a number of possibilities, Michael"
-OP says "Narrow the search. Enhance the variables."
-Montage of OP pacing around his dark apartment while the computer runs.
-Computer speaks "You're not going to like this Michael".
-OP speaks: "Just give me the results, S.A.T.O. !"
-S.A.T.O. : "I've narrowed it down to a list of suspects. Number one is the forum poster DeathandTaxes"
-OP : "Okay, now we're getting somewhere. S.A.T.O., give me the case on DeathandTaxes"
-S.A.T.O.: "He gets quoted all the time on bitcointalk."
-OP: "BINGO. Thanks buddy. And now the game begins".

The superhackcomputer powers down as OP opens a forum window and types "WHO DEATHANDTAXES IS?".

Fade to black.

Hehe, not really. I stopped mining coz of The End Is Near (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=193445.0). The bot is just a java application. It works on GPUs via http://www.jcuda.org/, it's not rocket science. I hope u satisfied.

The AI should be making some snarky comments as well. For instance, OP should ask, "Are you certain?" and the computer should reply, "It's the only thing in life that is certain."

It's not AI (we don't wish to see "A Bitcoin user created SkyNet, the end is near" headlines, do we?) It's based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_and_dependence.  ;D

DeathAndTaxes says it's not him/her.  Who's #2 on your list?

btw D&T, just to put all doubts to rest, what were you doing during the second half of 2008?

Is this a disguised attempt to get people to dox D&T?

It doesn't matter, coz there are only 2 options here:

1. D&T is Satoshi, then #2 doesn't matter
2. The approach is incorrect, then #2 doesn't matter

No!

I know who D&T is. Since we signed a private contract for a loan, I got to see his real name and PGP key. So........

Does the name start with "S" and end with "shi", by chance?

It's Stan Katoosho. I think he's Russian or Eastern European or something.

Anagram! See?  ;D

Anagram? What anagram?

Stan Katoosho => Satoshi Nakamoto.

I think I found Satoshi (marks with a tick in the daybook). I won't be surprised if tomorrow Forbes publishes an article "Satoshi is found" with reference to this thread. :)

Lets get to the part where we put D&T on the scales to see if he weighs the same as a duck.

Satoshi's name is 15 letters, Stan's is only 12, so no, it doesn't work.

Coz D&T is very smart.

It does: "I am Stan Katoosho".

Really?

Brilliant! Someone should contact the editor of Forbes.

EDIT: I'll check the rest 7 persons, just in case.

What do u mean? He already posted this without <joke> tag. ;)

I'm guessing he was joking  ;D

google has no mention of any such person
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22i+am+Stan+Katoosho%22&oq=%22i+am+Stan+Katoosho%22

I would think there must be a list of "satoshi" anagrams published somewhere on the web ... but I do not see "Stan+Katoosho".  And I want to see if D&T floats...

Maybe his name is in Cyrillic?

For example, mine would be Дмитpий Mypaщик, but you won't find that on Google either.

Relax, finding out who Satoshi is - it's not a big deal. I'm working hard to find out who killed Kennedy. The bot's code is so messy...

So no, that is not Death & Taxes actual name.

Why? Try to google "Cтaниcлaв Кaтyш". (Not sure u'll see these cyrillic letters though...)

But if someone asks you how your day was, you're one of the few people on the planet that can say, "I was mistaken for Satoshi Nakamoto today. And you?"

I don't always invent a cryptocurrency.  But when I do, it's bitcoin.  - DeathAndTaxes

I have considered writing a program to be able to track who is who on the Internet based upon their writing style (note, I have come close to working on a government project where I could have done just that...your identity is not safe on the Internet).

Most people have a very limited vocabulary depending upon intelligence. I believe the number I saw was around 150,000 words on average. Not everyone will use the same 150,000 words so if two people do a lot of writing on the Internet, they will likely write a good chunk of their own word base or a main subset. If two different people's word set do not correlate, then they are likely different. But, if you have one person's total writing and then you compare it against the words of many people you can get a percentage of word usage.

More importantly, most people will have similar sentence structure or use combinations of words in a more telling way than their bucket of words. So I would have taken combinations of words added together and given them more credit toward the possibility that two people are the same.

There was a study done taking a similar approach to news articles and comparing those articles to wording used by congressmen to show which congressmen were using the language of which news articles. They then gave a percentage to the various news agencies of whether they leaned more democrat or republican. Most sites correlated just about how you would think, CNN, MSNBC, etc favoring democrats while FoxNews favored republicans. Surprisingly Drudge Report came out as the most balanced but that is just because they link to several different sources of news.

Personally, I actually change my writing style on the Internet for this very reason.

Me good idea think have you. I style change now too also. Be hidden so bots not find on me.

Actually, my approach is to just be real...and since it's hard to be actually become and remain rich anyway...don't try too hard to be rich. Life is short, enjoy it :)

It's not DnT. Theymos and Sirus are Satoshi.

Excellent. But I've got a much better idea for S.A.T.O.

Attach it to a bot and turn it loose on Mt Gox so it can make BTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC  :)

Definitely adding this to my thread :)

http://www.bitcointrading.com/forum/talk-bitcoin/who-is-satoshi-nakamoto-thread-of-theories!/

Wait.. You actually made a bit? I thought it just  meant you and your sites users did some deep digging. Nice job!  :D

FUCK ME! Are you saying that Ed Trice is Satoshi Nakamoto?

Two spaces after a period was an excellent find. I always thought it was fishy how D&T let me pass him in posts count. Probably did such to take away any suspicions on himself.

Now the bad news: If D&T is truly SN, and since he answered with a NO, that would make SN a liar, bursting my belief system all to hell.

Today is now the saddest day of my life.  :'( Say it ain't so, Nakamoto!

;)

I only ever use one space between sentences. Satoshi Nakamoto would be smart enough to throw people off the trail by changing his typewriting to one space between sentences. I am, however, not Satoshi Nakamoto.

If you're looking for someone with a name that's an anagram of Satoshi Nakamoto, I'd start with looking for someone named "Oh I took Satan's Ma!".

The OP is very similar to something I once proposed:


The following is what I was eluding to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Evidence_for_Shakespeare.27s_authorship_from_his_works


I believe the following is what I had in mind (or something similar): http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/signature



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylometry


Do you believe Singature or JGAAP (http://evllabs.com/jgaap/w/index.php/Main_Page) can find Satoshi Nakamoto?

http://i.qkme.me/3ucyae.jpg

I think you are right.  It's a legacy of learning to type at a certain time and place.  I distinctly remember my typing teacher (teaching us to use an IBM Selectric typewriter) telling us to put two spaces between sentences.  This probably dates Satoshi (and the rest of us) as having learned to type with an older typewriter standard, OR from someone who taught an older typewriter standard.   More conclusively though it places Satoshi as having learned in an English speaking country.  Apparently no non-English speaking countries do this double space thing, according to: http://www.ditchwalk.com/2011/01/19/two-spaces-after-a-period/ (http://www.ditchwalk.com/2011/01/19/two-spaces-after-a-period/) .  But no one suspected Satoshi as actually being Japanese anyway.

Hence Ashish Gulhati being my SN of choice. Is D&T n Oz?

+1 for  Ashish Gulhati

If it's not Ashish it's Vladamir.