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As I am seeing they replied in their topic to you. Ok. Maybe they are right, you did not read well so now I am thinking at 2 shots:

1. Even if they were right...for fucks sake, i don't give a shit about your winnings there. You deposited 2 btc. They should give back to you your deposit, at least. And there is another shit ... for  example the point is that when you played, you played with their money so from this point of view they are right. Also they should have limits for such a bonuses. So here I am on your side just to get your deposit back. But as I see the way you write this post, you kind of not giving a shit about 2 btc, all you care is morality of losing some useless money.

2. I understand the casino, as I said before you plaid on their money..It is this normal? Gamblers will understand. It is a diffeerence to play with 50$ and a difference to play with 100$. Even if 50$ are bonus you have more to play. Even if maybe you were never from 4.4 to 2 btc, i mean under 2 btc. You still had the chance to lose more and increase the bet. So here I am giving the good right of the casino.

If it is not at TOS you can go to court for 4000$ or actually 7000$. By law they are forced to keep the bets and the money you had. So if they are actually ilegal you can fuck their website. Even more. Pay a lawyer with 50% of how much he can get. With a situation like this where a gambler is betting 4000$ and losing for some useless not reading the casino can lose 10x more.

Dudes. You can fuck with your clients. For real. Doesn't matter he didn't read properly, that small letters even at bank contracts may be attacked for abusing of doing it small. If you can prove legally that no one is actually reading that shit the casino and the owner may go to jail. Ok, maybe you think that I am crazy here but I met a lot of cases like this, for sure not with bitcoin but still.

if every site let you play with bonus with rules that you can cancel it whenever you bust your bonus without sacrificing your original deposit. all gamblers will do this all over again. The result of your actions is solely done by yourself. it is clearly stated (there's a warning before bonus cancellation) that you will have the "x amount" of deduction from your balance. how is this possible for you to blame the site?

Yes, you should blame the site. Terms archived, by the way. (https://archive.is/GhGAe#selection-813.0-825.48)

Here's the scenario.

You deposit a significant sum of money into the site with a bonus. The terms seem clear and they even state that you can cancel the bonus at any time. Hence you would expect it to deduct any winnings from the bonus (and for losses, it would not refund you)

You should not, under any circumstances, force the gambler to bet through the entire 55x wager requirement. For this site, you ARE forced because otherwise you will lose your balance. That is unacceptable conduct.

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By not highlighting the risk of the bonus beforehand, you are essentially stealing their money: 55x is no small feat, considering you essentially need to bet your full deposit + bonus 110 times as per their rules. Even with a 98% win chance, that's a 10.83% success rate of getting through the requirement.

Wait WTF they can not take your initial deposit . Here is the rules from there site .

http://image.ibb.co/jdPf5F/Screenshot_9.png (http://imgbb.com/)

-You should only lose the winnings you made from the bonus you should know that . you are saying you are highroller and this rule is pretty much a standard rule for all casinos .
-You can lose your deposit only if your bankroll was less than the amount you deposited . There is a rule in all casinos when you take a bonus you play with bonus money first until you bust it then you play with your money . for example

you deposited 2BTC and got extra 2BTC as bonus . You played and your bankroll took a hit and you now have 1BTC then you win big and your bankroll now is 10BTC your initial banalce here is only 1BTC not the 2BTC you deposited because you already lost 1BTC when your bankroll went under 2BTC

But still there is no way you will end up with 0 balance .

So did your bankroll at anytime became under the amount you deposited at first place ?!! If no then without any doubt  they should pay you your deposit amount .

Better try other casino buddy

This.

If you got such a profit and cancel without reading I don't see why to blame the site. With such profit, just start to make a lot of bets without increasing bet size on loss. You would just lose the house edge and will end up with still a huge profit.

If he just played on the bonus and cleared it, it would be a good site.

Hello,

mainly all deposit bonus has a penalty when cancelling and for sure no one will allow you to withdraw your bonus winnings without clearing a bonus first.

You've unlocked your bonus for about 23% so technically your profit was still locked, that's the whole purpose of wagering – to make winnings a part of your balance you have to meet wagering requirements.

FOR EVERYONE INFORMATION
Here is what happening when you are canceling your bonus:

First screen example:

https://i.imgur.com/FRjjzu2.png

Second confirmation screen example:

https://i.imgur.com/GDTbkpC.png

Well, excuse us if 2 times is not good enough for you, we will add captcha or password field to a confirmation screen, so no one in the future will tell that they just don't care what's happening with their 9btc and click "submit" on every screen and then spending hours on creating a scandal.

The thing you are asking us is to bend the rules only for you. And this is something we won't do for a newcomer scandalist. You never kindly asked to refund your deposit, you claimed that we have to refund your deposit and winnings and you are saying that you've lost 7 btc even though 5 btc you got only because of our bonus which was still locked. If you would've cleared your bonus we would ask no questions on withdrawal(you can check yourself, DuckDice never had any issues with payouts), so my question is where is a scam here?

As a gambling site, we give a chance to win way more with our bonuses and this is actually the first time we have such an issue (actually thank you for this, we will learn and improve from this case). And as in all gambling sites, there are certain risks, that is why we have a penalty for canceling bonus.

DuckDice have a very kind support and a great team of mods, who would've explained to you how our bonuses work before even claiming it.

BTW, you got administration wrong, they just said that they will make a custom much higher % bonus for you on a next deposit the deposit amount is up to you.
So ones again, where is the scam and where those 2 confirmation screens shady for you?

Can I ask one question why the losing your initial deposit part is not on bonus rules terms ? or even on FAQ part ?  . While i agree with you that he is out of his way asking for the winnings too and yes he should have read the 2 confirmation screen .- But also the site is wrong for not including this in the rules the rules should be clear before the deposit not after it .

Exactly my point ! In their own website, they have 2 opposite informations : You will cancel your bonus and the other you will cancel your whole balance (a shady feature to be able to cancel your own balance)

And duckdice.io admin : you admitted that's your system is shady because you told me : I will change it on monday, I need to talk to mathematicians.

I only asked you to give me back my account with 9.xx Bitcoin and 23% bonus cleared and all the chat agreed with that. But it seems your website cannot handle it because you asked me to deposit 5 more bitcoin to be able to do something. "Hey, I already scammed you few Bitcoins but I want more".

And to the moderator from duckdice.io, it is normal to do not bite the hand who feed you but there is a limit to the illogical behavior.

[Archive] (https://archive.is/q5njj)

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It is unethical to take away both the bonus balance and the original balance if a user has not completed it.

I do not understand why you would do such a thing. Additionally, the message you had in the bonus cancellation screen (and what you have said) was that you only cancel the profit.


Hence, if you are falsely advertising the amount that is deducted from a player's balance, then that is straight-up scamming them.

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I have already talked about forcing a player to complete the bonus, so you can read my reply from above:

If you only cancel the profit, people can just keep playing with the bonus. Site would be bankrupt in a day.

If that was so I would deposit 1btc, take the reload bonus so I have 1.5 btc. Make 5 bets of 0.1 on 100x. If I don't hit, I withdraw and deposit again and start over. Best way is just to remove the cancel button. People just don't read.

The problem here is not Duckdice but just an user that don't read well.

There should be no reason to cancel the entire balance. You're essentially - without the user's prior knowledge - forcing them to go all or nothing on the bonuses. And considering the fact that you have to have the entire bankroll bet 110x, it's a difficult feat.

If you want to punish users by losing part of the bonus balance, then do a simple split based on the bonus %.

In your scenario of 1 BTC and 0.5 BTC bonus, have every wager split 2:1 in terms of deposit and bonus, disregarding any profit upon cancellation.

Note that also, your reload bonus is claimed a maximum of twice a day.

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And really, the only reason you make each bet count for 50% of the wagering requirement is to make the actual wager number (110x) look smaller: 55x.

110x isn't even that hard. It must be over 100x due the house edge. Everything below the 100x would allow users just to wager and loose the hotels edge and still end up with profit without any risk.

WOW and *edit* am I reading this right???? You LOSE your balance when cancelling a bonus?  
 

In that case change the total implementation of this bonus system. By no way a user should lose his own balance just because he decided to cancel it.

First of all bonus should be made for a limited period of time. Secondly, many sites have implemented it like whenever bonus is allowed, user plays it with his own balance and not bonus. Like for example just like you said


In this case 0.5 in total should be cut from 1 BTC deposit and not the bonus . Once he wagers it unlocks and he gets the bonus.

You should have something like that rather than to completely erase off users balance just because he decided to cancel it.

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It is really unethical to strike off the user's own balance just like actmyname said. I hope this will be resolved so that furthermore no more users can face this.

Made a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16s33tijqzABmd1a2O5FSm7YYf0TBekkBSXqqf3qjMjc/edit?usp=sharing) showcasing the statistics behind wagering on the max % chance to win which would be the easiest for most to clear the bonus.

Being forced to take a gamble at 40% chances is not great... but this also highlights something else about your site.

You offer a 200% first deposit bonus for Dash, which is actually pretty +ev for people who approach it this way.

A 32.26% chance to win 5.24235328 BTC, risking 1 BTC (in Dash)

.3226 * 4.24235328 + .6774 * (-1) = 0.6912 BTC expected profit.

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Not sure about how well you might handle multiple accounts, but that bonus seems pretty appealing.

honestly i know duck dice is good site and they are fair all the time and the admins could solve the problem and satisfy all players

i could support 2 options

1st option is to get back the 2 btc deposited and you both can talk about the rest

2nd option is to give him back the status of the account before cancellation and solve the problem and all satisfied at the end

We do not push our bonuses to everyone, bonus information is on the completely separate page and usually only advanced dice gamblers are interested in them and newcomers are very much welcome to ask additional questions in the chat to mods or support.

We may consider removing "cancel" button completely and will notify users in advance that once bonus is claimed it cannot be cancelled however, this does NOT solve an issue where user just don't read the messages, in this scenario next complaint would be "I accidentally claimed a bonus and now I can't cancel it even though I don't wanna wager". So we are still looking for a more elegant solution and all suggestions are very much welcome.

Bonus algorithm has not been invented by DuckDice but adopted from dice practices, our mathematician department will run simulations and based on the results we may consider new or improved algorithm.

So far we disagree that canceling not only winnings but a deposit as well is "shady" or "unethical", as Dre mentioned above this is to avoid the following scenario:
– make a deposit
– claim bonus
– betting unsuccessful
– cancel bonus
– withdraw deposit
– deposit is again

..and here we have a loop.

As said earlier, this is a gambling, we give users a chance to win more and we NEVER ask questions on withdrawal.

-You are right but now the problem will be his own problem because you have the  rules backing you up  . Why you keep ignore that your site did wrong by not include the rules of bonus before claiming it !! . If this was on rules page that person would have not come post on this forums about this problem because simply there will be no problem .
- Making a 2 screens pop out or even 10 after he already claimed the bonus will not makeup for not having this mentioned on rules page . I am taking about the separated page for bonus nothing on it say that initial balance will get canceled  .

 
There is simple fix for this just change the rules and make the (original balance unlocked and have to be used first ) that way there will never be a loop and your site will lose nothing if someone canceled the bonus  ;) .

Then I think it requires much more fair implementation.


Not many users like wagering. Many gamblers realize how hard it is to meet wagering requirements and unlock the bonus in middle of game . So what do you think about them. Will it be good to remove "Cancel" button?

*actmyname presented how much difficult it is to claim bonus.*. And many user may feel to cancel it in middle of the game. I don't think removing "cancel" button is entirely a good call.

Maybe removing bonus system is the best call.



In that case I simply want to point out where it is unethical.

(1) So what gives you the right on the users balance which he hasn't lost actually by betting?---- Is it ethical ?

Not all players do as what 1982dre said. Don't make it in this way just because some gamblers are doing bonus in a loop. In short "find an ethical way and not an unethical way (which you are doing by showing right over users balance)". I have pointed out why in my opinion it is unfair and if you still find that your dice bonus system presently is fair then despite being a player or a HR in intial stage of DuckDice , "Shady and unfair" are the only words that will pop out from my mouth regarding your dice site.

This is how it works:

– make a deposit
– claim bonus or not
– betting unsuccessful
– cancel bonus (shouldn't allow a bonus to be cancelled, once applied the 30X 50X even 1000X applies)
– withdraw deposit REMAINING FUNDS
– MAYBE deposit is again

I deposit 100 and your bonus is 100% that means I have 200 to play with if I accept your bonus or it's forced upon me

I lose 25 I say forget this I want to withdraw and go

I should get my $75

But according to you............I lose everything

Please someone tell me I am wrong??  Otherwise, this is just an insane SCAM

Oh god, I feel so bad for you. I thought this was just an old post when Bitcoin was only like 500 USD. Dude rip that 5000 USD, I guess when DuckDice.io canceled your winning that is debatable but they have no right to just take your deposits now. This isn't your fault, the site's terms were clear and when you cancel a bonus you shouldn't have to lose all the money you deposit in the first place, this is a pretty big sum and I would maybe recommend taking legal actions because what DuckDice is doing here is totally illegal and I dont want other people getting scammed.

Site's term and conditions are nothing. Site owner should be able to put a valid reason behind all the terms and conditions which are ethical and reasonable for both site owners and its players. Let me say for example if i put a term that withdraw oa player will not be process until bitcoin drops back to 1000$ or so. Is it ethical? Sure i made it in terms and conditions but in the same way I am holding withdraw which ethically i should not hold.

Looks like you have the same opinion with me, as long as I know most deposit bonuses will use the initial deposit first to wager and if we cancel the bonus then we will still have some balance like your example. In other case, if we win while using the initial deposit then we cancel the bonus so will will lose all the winning but still have the initial deposit.
Lose everything should be only happen when players has lost all the initial deposit and use the bonus balance then decided to cancel the bonus, no matter the players win or lose while playing with the bonus. Just my 2 cents

To be honest I do not know what do you guys are thinking or how you came to this decision . Do you really think that warning someone that you gonna kill him  even 10 times will make you not guilty !! Because that what happened here ! you have no right to take his initial bonus ( even your own rules not support you ) and he had on his account 9 BTC to cover the bonus and his initial deposit no rules in the world can allow you to take his initial deposit . no matter how many warnings you put it will not make it right :) .

As much as I like the fact that you guys did not ignore this thread and you was active trying to solve it ( respect for that ) . But taking money that clearly you have no right to take = scam weather you gonna give to to charity or not . Because simply it is not yours to give .

First of all, it wasn't outlined in your terms about how the entire balance was canceled. When a user claims the bonus, it's too late to go back and they are forced to wager 110x or just simply lose their entire balance. That is misleading. In that case, why put a cancel button there in the first place if it's just going to make them lose all their funds?

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Suppose you deposit at my site with 1 BTC but when you withdraw I tell you that you are forced to tip 50% of all your winnings to a random chat member otherwise the balance is taken. You can not make rules appear after the fact when they are not outlined in your terms. That is simply unethical.

If you claim the bonus and cancel it directly you still got your initial deposit. The locked balance grows while wagering.

Then what's this?


https://archive.is/8f6Bz

If u were the owner of the site would you let someone use ur money to play against you and without risking their own money they can get profit from you.Its like suicidal.You wont do that,of course you will make agreement.And in Duckdice.Io it is to have a wagering requirement.After all if you finish those requirement all balances will be yours.
Well If you havent try or fully understand how does the bonus on Duckdice.Io does,It goes like this.
1.You made Deposit,(You can play with your own money or Claim bonus to have additional ammo but you need to complete those wagering requirement).Not pushing you to claim it.(Optional)
2.You already claim the bonus but before you start rolling you realize that you dont have the skills to finish the wagering requirement.(Here You can Cancel the Bonus and at the same time Your deposit amount will be refunded.Why and How?Simply because you never touch it.
3.You decided to roll and wager.The locked balance goes bigger while your unlocking the bonus.(Note:Locked balance is different the Locked Volume.).And as time Goes by Your locked balance can be greater than the current Balance.(Thats what happen to oza thats why all his balance had been cancelled)
4.You are in the middle of the wagering and youd realized you cant finish it.You click on the cancel button.(Here,a message will show up saying that the locked balance will be subtracted from your current balance.)two cases here:
       your current balance is greater than the locked balance=will give
       x amount during cancelation,
       your current balance is less than the locked balance = you will
       get nothing.(this is what happen to him)
5.You finish the wagering requirements.Congratulations.All balance
    is yours.Site will take nothing from you.You can withdraw All.


I personally had claim the said bonus and succesfully unlocked it.
With the help of old players and Mods especially I understand how does the bonus goes.And so far this is the first time i heard an issue about Duckdice.Io bonuses.A user's mistake that lead to cancellation of his balance.Not reading a message upon cancellation isnt a site mistake so where and when the scam happen?

OP when you are playing with high amounts of money, it's not time of experiments and in this situation it's better to play on highly trusted dice website.

DuckDice.io
You have to show us what happens before deposit and not after that because on that time it's late (I mean your post with pics).

Nothing personal but to my mind you deserve red trust. You offer bonus which is just legit way of scamming. The rules you offered for claiming that bonus isn't correct way and you know it also because it sounds almost impossible to players to claim bonus and you know 99% you will profit and players will lose their deposit. If I deposit and don't want to fight for claiming bonus anymore, it's players choise to deny or continue playing for your "bonus".
Let's explain, I deposited 1 btc and got bonus. I have to wager 1btc x55 = loss (yes it is even on 98% winning chanse and you know it), 0.5btc x 110 = loss again, 0.1 x 550 = loss and etc and etc, you are winning, sounds well.

I have one suggest for you, what about to make dice and offer 100x bonus if you will be able to wager 10000000000000x. Good idea, not?

But still to my mind that happens because people won't realize when casino offers you 55x deposit wager, they strongly believe that they win and you lose because casino exist for profit, not for charity.

Indeed, duckdice deserves his red-trust (and more red-trust). They are shady, arrogant and they scammed me at least for 2 bitcoins.

And don't make me laugh with your charity, it is my money you have no rights to use it. I don't want to give it to your bulgarian scammer charity.

It is easy to make good impression when you only have small money  issues to resolve. However when you have an issue with  a higher amount of money, like mine, it is now that all people here can see that your admins are greedy and absolutely unfair.

Is it done already? Have you sent the 2btc "for charity"? You said that you will add fhe txid shortly but it has been 3days but I see no txid. Did I miss something here?
I'm curious, will this charity clear your account from the negative trust and will you add more terms on the deposit bonus information to make it clear and this kind of thing happen again in the future?

Voiding the whole balance was indeed the wrong way to go.

Seriously? Terrorists?

Doesnt sound like a solution to me. Neither for the user, nor for anyone else playing with your bonus terms in the future.

Good luck with that.

Terrorists? Now how the owner found the user is terrorist?
Never seen a admin of any site talking like this....ofc shady behaviour

You offer to cancel the bonus, but then in reality you cancel the whole balance inclusive deposit and winnings and this is the criminal offense of false representation!

2 Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/pdfs/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf)

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).

You only lose your whole balance if you are unlocking for a while. If you unlock after a few bets, you just lose a little amount.

If I unlock for a while, is it stated "cancel your bonus" or is it stated "cancel your whole balance"?

Why would anyone agree to cancel his whole balance? If you continue to play nothing worse than exactly this can happen!

The fact that the user was + when he canceled the bonus and they cleared his whole balance is criminal. Then they take the stance that they will donate his 2btc deposit(which they haven't showing a txid doing yet) and refund him nothing is also criminal. At the very least he should have been able to cancel the bonus and be left with a 2btc balance to play as he pleased.

The site is acting very shady with this situation and deposit bonus and i personally wouldn't deposit a dime there.

The neg tag will stay from me until they refund the user his 2btc. Even then i would only consider changing to a neutral tag.

The balance is like a hole, empty and no value!  ;)

This is why one should always clarify bonus rules. It was not clear in the first place. From my reading, it seems clear that "deposit is locked". Bonus is also "locked" and only added to balance after it is wagered.

Cancelling bonus should only mean what is says: cancelling bonus.

You can adjust the wording and meaning any way, but any justice system will use logic and ethics. You cannot cancel a bonus and lose your deposit.

The Bonus campaign will be closed soon (just because one member didn't read his confirmation messages)

Ty for informing us about their shady behaviour...gonna avoid this site meh 😉

Wow for real that 3rd line in your case... I see it as a pure message to OP " Do whatever you want but you will not get your deposit back "
This is the worst case I have ever seen when a gambling website saying they don't care about their respect on this forum.
Also, you called OP a terrorist can you prove it?

Hahahah this is one classic reply you really blaming Op for your fail !!!

The bonus campaign will be closed soon (Because we discovered it is broken and probably no one will ever take it again after saw how we ripoff anyone who get it  ) .

By the way no TX link for any kind of transaction to a charity have been posted  until this moment >

@Duckdice it is sort of disgraceful how you're referring to the people playing at your site as "terrorists" and "blackmailers"


I can assure you that you're the only company in the entire bitcoin world to say that when someone cancels their bonus their whole balance before that goes away with it. This is just unfair to the user, whether or not you made it clear. Plus he was in the positive, why would he logically cancel his balance and donate them to you?

Donating to charity isn't going to solve the issue. Coins belong to your customer and he hasn't given consent of giving it to anyone. Your rep isn't going to change as long as if you don't solve this issue. Plus, your customer WON money. If you were to donate the btc to charity, donate everything that he has won, not just the portion he deposited.

How can you prove that this man is terrorist? If you can not, then why do you say that? Lying again?
Hmm, I think not this man but you are "terrorist". Who gave you permission to use and spend his money as you wish? And after all you think that your reputation and trust is growing? haha, curious.
Would be glad if you edit your html page a little with text: Duckdice will stole your money if you participate in bonus.

Can't understand, did you create deposit bonus not for players but for your pocket?

Lol, bonus is a risk for both. A lot if users won with the bonus, even High rollers like Negan4.

How can a site steal money if the user was behind the buttons.

Making the user acknowledge and confirm the action doesn't make the action itself any better.
The underlying rules are flawed, not how they are executed.
Also, as shown several times, the users are trapped in the bonus. You fail to address this issue or comment on it.

We're trying to discuss this case, and everything you can say in your defence is "others are winning from it".
Irrelevant.

I had comment already a lot if times in this issue. It's not me who made up the rules. Is this the best way for the bonus? I don't know, but that's how it worked.

The point is that everyone talking about that's made up to scam users. That's not the case here. Maybe the rules weren't that clear but it was never the intention to scam users with it.

As mention earlier is DD gonna stop the bonus for now so it won't happen again.

You're just here to defend them, gotcha.

We said it was unethical, and it still is.
They were not just not clear, they were not existent.

Yet it happened.

Once again, not relevant to this case.
Sure, it avoids future incidents, but what happens with this one?

If they donate anything to charity, it should be from the 7btc the user was ahead. If the user isn't refunded his 2btc deposit and they use that to donate to charity, i will never adjust or remove my rating.

Their bonus terms were flawed and 100% in the houses favor. They are blatantly trying to screw you as a player if you accept the bonus. If your bonus is cancelled and you lose all your balance, then that shouldn't even be given as an option.

OP should just be given 2 BTC. That was the user's intention, anyway.


Bolded is true. I'll clear up the misconception which I myself believed.

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The way it works is that the locked balance is subtracted from the player's current balance.

The locked balance increases with gross profit but does not decrease with any losing wagers. What this means is that if someone bets their entire balance twice, winning and losing, then upon cancellation the locked balance will be greater than their current balance thus resulting in the entire balance being wiped.

Got you here, because even after for a while it is still stated Cancel Bonus and not Cancel whole Balance!

7btc is a great thing to make but makes no sense in this case, the bonus was only 20% unlocked – so 5 btc is still not a profit but something you need to unlock first.

Taking the whole balance including the initial deposit doesn't make any sense either.
If you argue with logic, also use it whe determining your cancelation policy.

I concur.

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount. The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site  :D

I bet my entire balance two times. Two rolls.

I win one and I lose the subsequent one.

Locked balance goes up past my balance.

I'm now forced to play.

So get your stats right before starting such sad site ::)

So now we got 1982dre the "Mod of DuckDice" to add to Feedback for participating in a scam?

trying to get my "stats" right ;)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

I am really glad that you guys did the right thing . It is always great to see some of the scam accusations threads get solved and end in a good way .
Glad that OP got his money back And I  hope that members who gave you neg rating reconsider removing it after OP confirm the receive of the money .

From the very beginning of this issue, we had a principal in this case, we thought our rules were sufficient and OP attitude looked like he only wanted a scandal and not to find a solution.

Despite all this, bitcointalk community is a valuable source of information and since so many people wanted us to change our mind we decided to drop our stubbornness and trust the community.

We won't quit an idea with having deposit bonuses but will rework cancellation algorithm and conduct a detailed guide for Bonus rules. Our current Bonus rules are short now not because we want to mislead someone but because we spend lots of time on site improvements. e.g. today we've released security improvement and in a few weeks, we will introduce complete redesign.

Another player got his money back because community pushed gambling site to return money.
If there wasn't bitcointalk this guy would never see his money again. ::)

You will definitely regain the the community trust besides i know how good duckdice.io is.

Are you not able to understand that it is the criminal offense of fraud to ask me to cancel my 2 BTC bonus and then cancel my whole balance of 7 BTC?


So the more I play, the more rake I pay to your house, the more money you will steal from my balance? :D


While Game Protect is indeed a sad site for shady criminals like you, I have no idea what is wrong with my stats?

If you put "duckdice.io scam" into google = first page and second entry = good stats  :)


Wrong belief!

He clicked the |Cancel Bonus| button and never agreed to cancel his whole balance and therefore your move is juridical not valid and you have to restore his account like it was prior to clicking your fake |Cancel Bonus| button.

If you can not do this technically, then this is your fault and you have to give him 8.15 BTC or at least his 2 BTC deposit and his 5 BTC winnings.

1) According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely based on his 2 BTC deposit.

2) 55x wagering of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account balance will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

You know, I am not even going to remove your rating, just make it more "accurate" as time goes on. I have my reasons for this as I will explain.

Had it not been from pressure from the community, you would never have performed this act of refunding this user BTC that was rightfully his in the amount of 2 BTC. This shows that had it not been from pressure from other users here, you would have not given the BTC back and continued to pretend like this was an attack on you and the site. While I am glad to see you refund him, I still think your actions are worthy of a (for now) permanent tag, though I will change it to show that you gave OP his money back. I also applaud you for changing the bonus system, lets see you make it fair for both you and your customer.

Waiting for proof from OP that he got his money back and I will change the rating.

Hello,

To be honest, I am not very happy.

1. You called me a "terrorist" when you were keeping my balance. How funny..

2. You wrote that I was only looking for a scandal. I ended up writing a scam accusations because your co-admin ignored me, some of your mods were laughing at me and you asked me to deposit again to find a solution. You really have no shame...

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

4. And the funniest part : you can not revert my account to 23% bonus and 9.xx BTC balance. It is just you don't want to let the players win on your website. I deposited 2 BTC, my stats are + 5.088 BTC and I should be happy to get 2 BTC after 10 days ?

I'd like to thank the great bitcointalk community. Everyone who wrote a support message/ red trust on  their account before my message, I would like to share with you a part of my unfull refund. You can send me your bitcoin addresses in PM. I will give those people some coins, because we did it all together.


 I have never been treated like that by the casino in my whole life. I strongly recommend to everyone here to avoid Duck Dice.

The case is half resolved.

I do not personally want a penny from you. As a DT member it's part of my duty to help users who have been scammed. I'm glad you got at least your original money back.

Seconded. Those are your coins, not ours.

I'd like duckdice to comment on this.

---

Happy to see the first step being achieved, still a lot of unanswered questions though and not fully resolved, imo.

DuckDice  called everyone terrorists  ::)  They tried to scam and got busted, of course they will twist stuff up  ::) ::)

Be happy if you get your deposit back (you aren't entitled to winnings on the bonus - bonus revoked and initial deposit refunded is all you can expect to have this be fair).  I think?  I don't see a tx? 

AGREE THOSE ARE YOUR COINS FOR YOU!!

I don't want anything.  No one should.  There are some here that want to see the right things done and glad this community helped in that.  (again, I don't see a tx)

Have a good day

Agreed. That is your money OP, keep it. I am just glad you got your deposit back - I can't say I expected them to refund more than that though.


I think this is as "resolved" as it is going to get. The only thing is now watching for what they come up with next in relation to their bonus scheme.

If this is really true that is a totally another story because ya like OP said how many of this people do not know about BCT ! or even know about it but they just give up on there money .

To OP at this point be happy that you got your initial deposit back I know you still down 5 BTC but is is better than losing it all :) . I am really happy that you got your initial money back . I do not want a penny that is your money  ;) I believe all posted here specially DT members was  just to help .

Just go to the site and ask it in the chat. I've been on the site from almost the beginning and the first time I heard it.

We are happy u got your initial deposit back & thank u making us aware of their scam tactics

Good to see this outcome but NOT full resolution, because everyone helped 1 user get some justice. It is a shame that admin only got pressured into doing the right thing and did not apologise to the user. It's like the teacher forcing the bully to shake the hand of the victim. Anyway, the reputation is already damaged. Reputation is worth more than 2 BTC. More than any BTC.

My only concern now is people who were unaware of this. There could be future repercussions from this ugly mess that will affect players.

@OP. Please withdraw and confirm here you got your money back.

You echo my thoughts exactly, which is why, for the time being at least, my rating will remain on the DuckDice forum account. They didn't do this (refund the 2 BTC) because they wanted to make things right - they truly believed they were right to begin with. Taking back the bonus while the player was in profit by several BTC, along with the deposit as well, is a sign of bad business ethics in my personal opinion - they only caved due to pressure from users in this thread, along with the ratings that myself and other users left them.

This is not to say that the tag will be permanent, I would be extremely pleased to see them implement a bonus system that is fair to both the house and the player. If they do this, and there are no further complaints over the next couple of months following the update against DuckDice, then I will be happy to remove the tag.

This is my final say on the matter.

Good morning,

I sent some btc to the people who sent me their address and helped me.

Again, the case is still half resolved. I appreciate the fact that DT members won't untag them like that. And don't take us for idiots again, are you trying to tell me that nobody ever cancel his bonus with a balance? If it was the case, how all the players in the chat knew that my balance was lost? They explained me that already happened and you did the same.  You have no shame again.

Your "terrorist"

Hi there Ozafejyw782,

Thanks for being generous, even though you really didn't need to do such a thing.

How many people sent you a PM with their address? I won't ask you to name them, but I will say shame on those who took advantage of your offer - I doubt many of them would have done the same thing you did.

Well I do agree taking  money in this kind of situation is not an OK thing . But I do not agree with ( shame on those ) part . He offered to give reward and some people agreed  to take it  .  And while it is not acceptable for you and me and some others to take that money . We do not have the right to call them out for it since Op is the one offered it .  

The $60 I have received do not compensate all the effort I have spent so far and all the harassment I have received, but he is the first who fulfilled his announcement to send some coins to those who helped him. :)

Mr doctor, please also give me the name of my mental disease, so I can save the medical costs?

Or do you think the $60 are sufficient to pay the medical treatment?


In case you did not notice,

1) I publicised a Duckdice.io scam (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) article on Game Protect website that is listed on the first page and within the first entries on google.

To build up the Game Protect website and get scam articles listed on the first page and within the first entries took several 1000s hours of my time

2) I inform in my signature about the Duckdice.io scam and the value of my signature is worth at least $200 per month

3) If all the other people offer such a service cost free and pay the time and the price from their pocket, then I will immediately remove my service 1) + 2)

Show me?

4) Out of curiosity, did the help of the other people lead to get his remaining 6.76 BTC processed?

I'd assume I know a thing or two about signatures and their valuation.
You're delusional.

What do you think how much is the value of calling out publicly proven scams in the signature?

AFAIK I am the only one who do this, so no one else should have experience with it.

Could be a coincidence, but when I had the publicly proven Betcoin.ag scam! (https://game-protect.com/betcoin-ag-scam/) in my signature, within a few weeks their traffic on Alexa dropped for 65% and after I removed them, their traffic rised again.

And when I had the MegaDice scam, 500+ Bitcoins defrauded and disappeared! (https://game-protect.com/megadice-scam/) in my signature, their traffic dropped for 370% within a few weeks and when I removed them, their traffic rised again.

A lot of people were getting aware about MegaDice aka SatoshiDice and it was also referred to this article on reddit and twitter:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/67vhos/satoshidice_customers_roll_and_get_blind_snake/

https://twitter.com/edgelessproject/status/857647693031714818

I lost 47 LTC because of their "funny" bonus policy. I still have proof as you can see below
The following is what I asked to a mod in the chatroom


And to me that happened in May.

Why havent you post the whole conversation??


Now you are saying here you had the same so that you cancelled the bonus. I told you there how you could unlock it safe without any risk.

Because it's irrelevant to the fact that the bonus terms were missing information; the conditions did not display the whole truth.

'without any risk' is misleading. It's still risky, every single time a user places a wager. In fact, regardless of whatever strategy is implemented, there is still a -57.1 LTC ev associated with the remaining wager amount. (According to the old conditions and the chatlog)

Actmyname is completely right:

To fulfil the wagering requirement is not unlock the account balance safe without any risk!

The bonus term said: "You can cancel bonus at any time"

And this clearly refers to a click |Cancel Bonus| feature, because you can not fulfil the wagering requirement at any time.

But instead of canceling the bonus, they canceled the whole balance!

Why would someone agree to cancel his whole balance if it contains deposit + winnings + bonus?

@dre1982
It's good you posted it all. I have no problem with that.
I started playing thinking that the bonus was working in one way: when I wanted to go back I realized that there was no coming back.
Either winning or losing everything.
And I lost.

I don't want my LTC back even though a small compensation should be given to players in my situation.

You see, in the real life if you sign a contract and then you put a new rule that goes against one of the parties without notifying, you get troubles.
This is what happened with your bonus system.

That's it.

I wish I saw this thread before I started using DuckDice.

I was also just recently scammed for all the BTC that I had deposited into DuckDice.

This is the situation and the message that I sent to DuckDice Support:

"Hello, I recently joined DuckDice (just yesterday), but I have encountered an error or something that stole pretty much all of my BTC.

Now that I see that there is a slot for attachments, I really wish I took a screenshot, but I will just try to explain instead.

I was betting around 10 Satoshis to 10000 Satoshis, and In a single bet the abosulute MAXIMUM that I would lose would potentially be 0.001 BTC, Of course depending on many different factors.

But then suddenly I lost 0.06 BTC on a single bet! Three times in a row!

How did this happen!?

It was on auto bet and the bot was playing by itself. Everything was running perfectly smooth for an hour or so, and then I just left it to run for awhile.

When I returned, no more than 2 hours later, it had completely run out of funds, and the 3 most recent losses were for 0.06 BTC each.

What? How?!

Please please get my Bitcoin back! I feel completely cheated and I just dont understand how this possibly could have happened. There was absolutely no possible way that it should have lost that much from a single bet! Let alone three times in a row!

None of the parameters were set high enough for that to possibly happen. It was not set high enough to allow bets of that size, so I have absolutely no idea why or how it chose to bet 0.06 BTC in a single bet. Three times in a row.

Please get my BTC back! I should receive 0.18 BTC. That is how much I had originally until the auto-bet decided to use it all without my permission.

I did not allow the auto-bet to issue bets of that high amount. I am completely confused and I feel absolutely cheated. There was no possible way that it should have been betting 0.00001000 BTC for over an hour, and then suddenly issue three bets of 0.06 BTC.

Please help! Thank you so much!"


Unfortunately, no replies at all.

I feel horrible. I lost all my BTC that I had deposited within seconds of a rogue auto-bet bot.  :'(

Was that using the web's auto bet?

What were your settings exactly?

The bets ids?

Thats part of the problem. I cant look back far enough in my history to see the 3 bets where it lost 0.06 BTC.

But yes, I was using the web auto bet, and the settings were just a simple 0.0001 BTC at a 65% chance.

Win multiplier 1. Loss multiplier 1.

I cant see it in my history because it did those 3 bets, and then about 20 more "normal" bets before it ran out of funds.

I didnt stop it in time to be able to take a pic of the 3 rogue bets, which is why im scared, because I doubt anyone is going to believe me

I only came back and saw the 3 losses just seconds before they disappeared from the most recent history

Weird story. Haven't seen 3 0.06 losses in HR tab. And you let it run 20 more minutes after those bets.  ???

I have informed admins and they are busy with it now.

Well, by the time I returned to the computer, those bets were already long done.

If I had been at the computer immediately when the bets happened, I would have stopped it right away

Thank you for informing the admins. I really hope I can get that returned to me

Your first post was this.


Story changes everytime.

What is it?? If you came back hours later, how you know of those bets ??

The story is not changing. When I came back to the PC, I saw the losses for 0.06 BTC each. Thats it. Nothing is changing.

I dont know how else to explain it. If you need any more specific info, dont hesitate to ask. Ill try to explain as clearly as I can

EDIT: I guess I shouldnt have said that the three "most recent" losses were for 0.06 BTC.  They were not the "most" recent. That is my mistake.

They were on the "Most Recent" bets page. The "My Bets" tab, towards the bottom is where I saw them.

Hey, bladescarr,
this sounds very peculiar.
First of all, your username on DuckDice is bladescarr, you've:
 
deposited                                       0.03105992 on 2017-09-27 about 10pm
withdrawal                                   0.0067    three hours later
your balance AFTER withdrawal      0.00293647.

With an approve from bladescarr we will post txid's as well.

So you are minus to 0.00963647. Soooo, three bets 0.06 is 0.18, I'm sorry but you never had those funds. Your total wager amount is 0.249521 – this is volume for all over 8000 bets you've made. Everyone can check user stats by typing in a public chat, then you can click on a username.

This account has never placed a bet with amount 0.06 as well, such bets will appear in high roller tab and will trigger notifications to all chats.

With your permission, or in case you will still proceed with your allegations, DuckDice will post here FULL BET HISTORY, each bet can be verified to be provably fair, it also has all timestamps, and all players will see what strategy you were using.

Here is .csv file (simple text file you can open it with nearly anything) Bladescarr's user bet history for all bet with bet amount over 0.006:

Bet History Download  (https://mega.nz/#!BqQDjLIZ!YNpHBt1BihQ7ZMV9U-yuQJfnN3hi1EKDUtbDWXtqAlM)

You can check every bet with any tool you like and you also can see bet info by typing to any chat on DuckDice command
Dear all, DuckDice had issues with bonuses, and we made amends. BUT YOU WILL NEVER FOUND US SHADY WITH BETS, PAYOUTS AND PROVABLY FAIR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TOOLS FOR MANIPULATING ANYONES BET. DuckDice is 100% FAIR GAME and everyone can check it himself.

So first you tried it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868275.msg22015380#msg22015380

Now Duckdice and who is next?? PrimeDice or Bitsler?

Hi mod dre, hi duckdice admin, i am a duckdice player, i love this game, because all my withdraw and deposit is ok! I won alot of doge from bonus signup and alot from bonus deposit, and when i unlock the bonus, my withdraw is ok! ok! No problem with duckdice... as faucet win to withdraw... is so ok. Love your game!

My nickname is Tachie :) I sure... Duckdice not have any problem from withdraw and deposit, all good!

DuckDice, the reasoning for seizing initial deposits doesn't make sense?

If you're concerned that your players can potentially win more than you can afford to pay out, don't offer those types of bets maybe?

Every casino that's serious about their business follows that axiom. That's why they have table limits. This really isn't even something that should need to be mentioned.

In the long run you are guaranteed to be profitable if you conduct business in a smart and professional manner. Finding an excuse to say someone forfeited their deposit or the way you review most withdrawal requests and find a problem more often than now, is the fastest way to trump your online casino.

Also stop cheaping out on the shills. The least you can do is hire ones more fluent in english.

Looking at you tachi, Mr. NewToForum with 13 posts all praising your employer/client/whatever.

bro i was playing here but i did not face any issue like this but you must try another casino ..

Are people still playing at the publicly proven duckdice scam (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) that grabbed your deposits and winnings when you canceled your bonus? :D

I have noticed that the publicly proven duckdice scam (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) removed Ozafejyw782 from their Most Profit Stats! Are the duckdice shills able to explain why?

Compare with their actual stats: https://duckdice.io/stats (icognito is still there)

https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=49091455 (https://www.xup.in/dl,49091455/Duckdice.io_5_BTC_win_Ozafejyw782.JPG/)

You are a sick and notorious blatant liar!

1) Everyone can read Ozafejyw782's story here (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) with proof how he became a victim of your publicly proven scam!

2) Licensee is you and licensor is Antillephone. If there was a complaint, then it was to the licensor and not to the licensee.

3) As I already said, a licensee (duckdice scam) can not make a complaint against itself to the licensor (Antillephone). Only a customer / victim of your scam can open a complaint to your licensor Antillephone.

4) The screenshot of your alleged complaint has no content! How come?

5) Ozafejyw782 did not file a complaint to your licensor Antillephone. Someone who knows him can not file a complaint in his name.

6) When Ozafejyw782 was scammed by you, I checked if there is an operator for your scam service and was not able to find anything and am pretty sure that you did not claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license at that time. Because if you did, I would have helped Ozafejyw782 to file a complaint against you.

7) Finally, you speak like the anonymous venture Antillephone is part of authorities and their decision has any legal power, but this is not the case! Their statement or decision is just an opinion and victims can of course enforce their rights through a court if required.

Read here about DuckDice scam (https://help.duckdice.io/hc/en-us/articles/360007748833-DuckDice-scam-bonus-accusation) and Official DuckDice and Antillephone License Holder position in this case.

You can read the real story here Duckdice scam (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/)

When someone of your victims was misleaded to cancel the bonus, in reality you canceled all deposits, winnings and the cleared bonus!!!

To cancel the whole account balance including deposits and winnings is a blatant theft and not a penalty!

You asked to cancel the bonus and then you caneled deposits + winnings + cleared part of the bonus!
 

You are blatant lying and faking documents to mislead the online gambling community! Only a dumbass can consider playing at your publicly proven scam! :D

You scammed Ozafejyw782 (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) July 2017 for almost 9 BTC.

1) During this time I checked your scam website and neither was an operator stated nor did you claim to operate under any license!

2) Sabant B.V. was incorporated 12 December 2017, confirming that you claim to operate under the 8048/JAZ license only since 12 December 2017 and not already July 2017 when you scammed Ozafejyw782!

You are the dumbest blatant liar and faking documents scam artists ever seen! ::)

Again, give me the name of the operator July 2017, so Ozafejyw782 can sue you?

Woww. Even if the topic is old but man scamming the guy even in his initial deposit ???
Of course deposit bonus need wagering if someone can't wager they can cancel.  Then you take his deposit ?
Also you knew you are wrong but you didn't give his initial deposit and call him terrorist woww
Seriously you deserve red trust and I won't ever play there again. 

they closed my account as well for no reason and when i talk to support they dont answer

if you have an issue with Duckdice and want to have exposure about your issue with them, it would be best to create your own thread, lay out what happened and include evidence supporting your claim. posting your issue here would most likely get your complaint not seen by a lot of members or get ignored. you can also follow the scam accusation format to properly present your accusation.